The Clucking Up North

By DJ Byrnes on March 2, 2012 at 2:15p
Papa Harding, leaned back, with his mind on his money and his money on his mind. President Harding was and is subdued swagger.

Marion, Ohio, is an interesting place to grow up. Sure, Marion has an evaporating tax base, an uneducated workforce, an impressive drug habit, failing schools and lack of 21st century jobs, but I wouldn't choose anywhere else to have grown up. Though sometimes hard and other times unorthodox, the gold-bricked streets of the City of Kings, in their own way, taught me a lot of invaluable life lessons. 

One of those life lessons the City of Kings bestowed upon me was training my eye on how to tell who is tough and who isn't. Not that I'm "tough" per se; there are cripples out there who would give me my teeth back in a tiny jar (and then charge me $100 as a bottling fee). I am your run-of-the-mill, middle-class white kid typing things into the internet. The cool thing about growing up in a modern day Gomorrah, however, is I got to associate with real rough-and-tumble chaps. 

I've learned, tough people don't have much use for words. That's why, if there is ever a scuffle at a place like a bar, you should never be concerned by the short guy wearing leather elf shoes screaming things like, "WELL, COME AT ME THEN, BRO." It's all empty posturing. That's why, whenever I see two gaggles of angry bros at the bar holding Bud Light bottles and screaming at each other for more than 30 seconds, I tell both crews to take the L and go home to their bowls of Ramen Noodles and stories about their "epic" night. 

It's also why I've come to have such disdain for that little butterball stuffed up into Satan's Mitten, and why I have a quiet confidence about Urban Meyer's impending dominance over Brady Hoke and his Temple of Blown Wind to the North.

The word games began early in Brady Hoke's tenure. To Rich Rodriguez, Ohio State was just another name on the schedule. (Michigan fans indicted Rodriguez for this, years after trying to tell people Michigan State was their biggest rival. I'd like to think Jim Tressel drinks a glass of these people's tears every night before he drifts into a deep sleep in his rocking chair.) Brady Hoke, much like Muggles in their fear of Lord Voldemort, refused to call Ohio State by its government name. I've never understood Brady Hoke's disdain for Ohio. It would seem to me the Michigan football program wouldn't be much without people from Ohio. (Perhaps Hoke is like fellow UM Alumn Robert Quarles on Justifiedand has a bit of a masochist streak?)

Speaking of Michigan Men with Ohio blood, do you think they buried Bo Schembechler's Gold Pants with him when he died? (Wasps these days are ruthless, it seems.)

Granted, Mike "0-4" Hart set the gold standard when it came to empty shit-talk years before Brady Hoke rode his white Vespa through the war-torn gates of Ann Arbor, but it appears Hoke's inferiority complex is trickling down to players who Hoke only had under his ward for a single season.

David Molk has been affiliated with the Michigan program since 2006. He committed to the ruins of Lloyd Carr's program, sat through the Rodriguez nightmare, and his redshirt senior season was capped off with a win over a shitty ACC team in a game which was down 18% in ratings from the year pryor. I've watched every Ohio State-Michigan banger for as long as I can remember, and yet, I didn't know David Molk's name until this week, when he popped off against Mike Brewster and Wisconsin's Peter Konz and said it was "stupid" for anybody not to have him rated as the best center in the draft.

I can only imagine what riveting joke bro Molk is in the midsts of telling to the white reporter bro shamefully flaunting his bourgeois wealth by wearing a watch. "BRO, THE HATERS ARE SLEEPING ON YOUR BOY!"

Undersized for an NFL lineman, Molk is basically The Little Engine Who Thinks He Can, which is always admirable. But it's not like he's some unheard of underdog fighting for his place in the NFL. He is going to get his chance -- and that's all anybody can ask for, right? -- so why is David Molk taking time out of his day to make sure people have David Molk ranked properly in their arbitrary draft rankings which aren't worth the paper they're printed on? 

If I were a General Manager of a Professional Football Team, and make no mistake, there's a reason why I'm White Guy In His Sweats Banging On His Internet Keyboard, but I would think I would want my draftee's motivation to come from a deeper place within themselves than just "the haterz, dude." (Urban Meyer wanted Tim Tebow after watching him play left field in a high school baseball game.)

Molk went 2-5 against Ohio State and Wisconsin during his playing years at Michigan, so I can understand where the bitterness comes from; however, the time for talking has long since passed. He he acts as if he's the first person to feel slighted by how they're projected by NFL pundits. (People who weren't ranked second-best at their position by Mel Kiper have been slighted by less, I suppose.)

It's not hard to see Brady Hokes' intent on playing bullyball. His stockpiling of beefy dudes is testament to this. I'm sure Urban Meyer, who wrote the book on what speed can do to size, is probably licking his lips in anticipation. I know I certainly am. 

More troubling for Michigan fans, I would think, would be the attitude of some of their incoming recruits. First it was Ondre Pipkins going out of his way to put Tommy Schutt's name in his mouth. Erik Magnuson, a 6'6" 275 OT from Carlsbad, California, had this to say about a state he's probably never visited:

My freshman year in HS, I saw Alex Boone play Mario Manningham in the state play-offs. Biggest dude ever. My freshman year, I visited OSU, we went to the now defunct "Nuthouse" on Lane/High (PLZ DONT JUDGE ME I WAS YOUNG), and 19 year old Boone did nothing but stand next to the bar and rip shots all night. Four years later he was jumping on cars in a crunken rage. VIVA ALCOHOL.

Teenagers saying dumb things isn't new. "They're embracing the rivalry," the Michigan Men acapella groups will hum, without even a hint of irony about how these types of actions would be called "thuggish" if their perpetrators were wearing the Scarlet and Grey. (Search "Terrelle Pryor" on Twitter next time you're bored on the internet.) Yet it shows the mindset some of these kids will be arriving to Ann Arbor with. Judging by his tweet, Erik Magnuson may have been 10 months old when he wrote it. I can't help but chuckle at the naivety. 

Urban Meyer had some talented dudes with swollen egos at Florida, to be sure. But his teams won two national titles. David Molk won one game against Ohio State... and that's more than the senior class which preceded him. Erik Magnuson hasn't played a snap, and he's already prophesying the continuance of dominance, as if they weren't a Braxton Miller Overthrown Touchdown Pass away from having their hearts ripped out at home by a team which ultimately went 6-7.

Talk. Talk. Talk. Words. Words. Words. There's a time and place for them. Then, there are times for action. With the arenas David Molk, Ondre Pipkins and Erik Magnuson are stepping in to, they'd be wise to shelve their words. The lions waiting for them don't have much use for those


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dumpus's picture

now this is the kind of piece i like to read on a friday afternoon.  makes me want to put on a helmet and pads and just truck the first blue or yellow colored thing i see. 

dubjayfootball90's picture

hahahaha, well said

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

Maestro's picture

Echo above sentiments

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Tonga Buckeye's picture

Growing up, I was the little guy with the big mouth.  I could ran fast!

"go not where the path may lead, rather go where there is no path and leave a trail"

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bassplayer7770's picture

Nice piece, DJ.  Is it September (or November 24th) yet?

FortMeyer's picture

You da man DJ!  Wondered if anyone would jump on all the tongue being unleashed from TTUN. Inferiority complex exactly explains the spew. I thought Molk was the pudgy frizzy haired dude but after some searching, that is Martin. Molk looks like Wally on Leave it to Beaver and had no idea who he was in the pic above prior to search. So he's obviously well known outside of TTUN. scUM still sucks only louder now. The Vespa rocks and so do you DJ, thanks! 

elloyd1681's picture

Great stuff!  I can't wait for November.  

Brutus's picture

I've always liked Robert Quarles and love Justified. I like the former a lot less now.

DJ Byrnes's picture

Quarles is cool but he's going down in flames. As for his UM degree, it was more of an "Ah, it all makes sense now" moment. 

BTW, ain't nobody on that show seeing Boyd Crowder, including Limehouse. 

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Brutus's picture

Boyd Crowder might be the most compelling TV villain since Omar Little.

Sgt. Elias's picture

Agreed. "Omar Commin'!" is hard to beat though.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

JasonBuck's picture

This is why I LOVE 11W, typing what most of us are thinking.  You have to love this rivalry, let's just hope it is one again after the last few years have looked like this:

2001 Michigan 20 Ohio State 26 Ann Arbor
2002 Michigan 9 Ohio State 14 Columbus
2003 Michigan 35 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor
2004 Michigan 21 Ohio State 37 Columbus
2005 Michigan 21 Ohio State 25 Ann Arbor
2006 Michigan 39 Ohio State 42 Columbus
2007 Michigan 3 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor
2008 Michigan 7 Ohio State 42 Columbus
2009 Michigan 10 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor
2010 Michigan 7 Ohio State 37 Columbus
2011 Michigan 40 Ohio State 34 Ann Arbor

Which amounts to scUM 212 to tOSU 313 (combined score for the scUM graduates out there), just so there aren't any mis-perceptions, since (1979) the overall record in the rivalery is 16-16-1.  SO I'll concede that given some historical context the last 33 years it has DEFINITELY been a rivalry!

M Man's picture

It was more than a curiosity to me; it was a shock, to hear Molk trashtalking his draft competition.  Because Molk was one of the most stoic Michigan players in recent history.  He had about  300 different opportunities to pop off about teammates, fans, coaches, opponents, the press, whatever... and he almost never said a word in his entire career.

I can only guess, that cut loose from the comfort of Schembechler Hall (Molk, Mike Martin and Ryan Van Bergen all went outside the football program to the private gym of Rodriguez's former S&C coach Mike Barwis to prepare for the NFL combine) Molk feels somehow unleashed or transformed, competing individually for something entirely new; an NFL draft-pick and a job.

I probably just overlooked the paragraph mentioning who won the Rimington Award this year.

DJ Byrnes's picture

I'd refer you to paragraph #9. Sorry for not listing the name of an award I doubt 95% of college football fans could name the last 3 winners of.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Maestro's picture

Did Dave Rimington win it?

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I won a race during my 5th grade field day. The person I beat was wearing yellow and blue. Does this count? If so, I would like to announce I am a proud winner of the Grayhill Elementary Field Day Sprint, now and forever known as the Nosignificance Trophy.

Also, I actually like those idiots referring to us as 'Ohio.' They got it right. We ARE Ohio--all of it. So thanks for taking time away from the buffet and noticing.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Troll one wants you here.  Not to guys all talk SOOOO much crap over a 6 point victory and I agree with DJ...TTUN was one or two plays away from having yet another straight lose to OSU.  Go away TTUN ppl...I see your fans on almost every website of OSU's with a blog and it's not like many of us go to your guy's websites to troll and make senseless comments (at least I don't...can't stand even seeing that name on my browser).    GO BUCKS! 

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

Jdadams01's picture

I have no issue with M Man being here. He doesn't troll. He presents a good, calm poit of view for the most part.

SeaWolv's picture

In fairness to Molk he is the Rimington Trophy winner and he is a beast. I get what he's trying to do, raise his draft stock because it will translate directly to $$. Having said that I have never been a fan of smack talk. I always appreciated when players like Barry Sanders did the amazing things they did and never tried to draw attention to their feats with choreographed showboating or excessive celebrations. Sanders just put the hardhat on and went to work. Unfortunately there are always going to be those who would rather talk shit than do their talking through their actions. 

Not all Michigan fans are arrogant A-holes. Yes we do have a new found confidence in our program after wandering 3 years in the wilderness. Can you blame us? Yes the OSU game could have gone either way but the Bucks weren't the only ones to have things go against them, UM had a TD reversed. One thing that UM fans complain about is that OSU fans conveniently forget what happened prior to Tressels arrival. Now both programs and fan bases have reason for optimism. You have Meyer we have Hoke/Mattison. The rivalry appears to renewed and quite honestly that's good for both schools.

RBuck's picture

Just what we need...another one.

Long live the southend.

FortMeyer's picture

My thought exactly. Made me want to go to MGoblow to see what their latest smack was and they were dissing this exact article. They used the convenient "cheat" word again. This is one of the best posts there and shows our very distinct explanation of what we hear/see constantly that scUM fans deny doing. They are above this in their minimal brainage. Read and laugh.

" People talk about ohio's record in the aughts against us? They fucking cheated the whole time!

Case in point:

2002, they don't beat us without Clarett, do they?

2004, 2005 and 2006 they don't beat us without Troy Smith, do they? Does anybody believe he only got $500? Really? I got some land in the Everglades I'd like to sell you.

Also, those weren't the only 2 guys by a longshot. I now have so much disdain for them and couldn't care less what their record is before they play us. That rivalry doesn't mean as much to me anymore, sorry. ohio can stink up the joint always for all I care, SCREW THEM CHEATIN' A-HOLES!!!

P.S., The lamest thing to me is how ohio fans brag about beating us and forget they were cheating while doing it, just pathetic!"

Before anyone says it there were some looking at it in a rivals light that is healthy but there is more than plenty of this drivel always.

buckeyedude's picture

Personally, I don't have a problem at all with a few Michelin fans, as long as they post stuff that's intelligible and it ain't of the "My team rulz, your teams sux, because I said so," variety.  I like to know what is going on behind enema lines. ;)

A large majority of the fans I deal with here in Toledo are of the trash talking, Wal-Mart variety. Unfortunately, I have a few knuckleheads in my family like that.



bassplayer7770's picture

You mentioned Toledo fans; I was in a band that played Toledo fairly often, and I definitely saw far too many Meatchicken fans up there.  One young lady made some very unclassy remarks after their W this season.  I'm pretty sure she doesn't kiss her mother with that mouth because, based on what I've seen, her relationship with her mother is a bit rocky...

Therefore, I deduce that Meatchicken fans become Meatchicken fans because they have poor relationships with their mothers.

bassplayer7770's picture

I likely speak for most of us here when I say I definitely have NOT forgotten the Cooper years, and I highly doubt Coach Meyer will take the rivalry that lightly.

buckeyechad's picture

/obviously not on here much

Poison nuts's picture


"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Sgt. Elias's picture

M Man is cool, he is most definitely not a troll and has vetted himself over time. He's welcome here and his perspective from within enemy command adds to the dialog on this site. The avatar may be ugly but what can you do ;)  True trolls will be dealt with with the swift justice only the INTERNET (serious biz) can render. Dissenting opinion does not equal troll in these here parts.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

So winning awards allows you to be a douche. Got it.

JasonBuck's picture

Let's be honest, "college awards" mean VERY little on the pro level.  I'll be the first to say Troy Smith was a disappointment as a pro, and MANY quarterbacks were ranked ahead of him coming out of college.  Heisman, Rimington (who even knew about this award till all this anyways??), and all the others mean very little when it comes to pro rankings.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

If scUM didn't have to rely on getting Ohio kids to play football for them, and Ohioans to coach their teams (Moeller, Hoke and Bo), they'd be Minnesota...or Indiana. They know this for a fact, but they won't admit to it. Just another third-rate football program without Ohioans doing the heavy lifting for those Mitten State Morons.

M Man's picture

Hey we spared you from having a big rivalry with Chicago, or Notre Dame.

You're welcome!

Enzo's picture

There is that.

JasonBuck's picture

Ha that made me laugh!

BuckPirate1981's picture

I don't think Michigan kept us from having a rivalry with Chicago, I think Chicago did. Kind of ironic you say that in a way, given their mascot is about as mythical as yours are in your state. But thank you for the Notre Dame thing - I would have hated to have been subjected to this video any more than I already was as an innocent bystander of your team's rivalry with them :]

M Man's picture

This sort of ruined my day.  To learn that the Chicago Maroons actually have an acrylic-fur mascot, and that it isn't a gargoyle.

Brutus's picture

M Man, I'm impressed that you know about the gargoyles. Most people, including native Chicagoans know nothing about the gargoyles. Hell, when I first moved to Chicago and told people I went to the University of Chicago, most people thought I meant UIC. And don't knock the Phoenix. It's flippin sweet.

buckeyedude's picture

That picture of the first wolverine in Michigan in 200 years kind of looks like a skunk to me. Just sayin.



BrewstersMillions's picture

Nothing they do as fans surprises me anymore. This is who they are. They embrace the stoicism and class of the "Michigan Man" (A fabled, fabricated pile of self serving bullshit, might I add) yet embrace the loudmouthery of a Molk, the douchebaggery of 0-4 20 Mike, and the rabblerousing that is Hoke's inability to say a five letter word that isn't "Pizza". Kalis, Pipkins and White-guy-who's-name-escapes-me-and-I-care-little-to-look....Magnuson, there it is...are going to be the next in a line of loud mouth buffoons who are embraced by the lowest common denominator of Michigan fans for their talk in between games because when you look at their careers after its all said and done you find these guys only really talked. Mike Hart is one of M's all time leading rushers in almost every statistic but he won nothingbut empty games. Nothing against OSU.  NOTHING. Yet Hart is one of the fair haired children and the yardstick by which all other smack talkers are measured at Michigan.

It is funny. For all the heat OSU catches about their program, did Chris Wells ever call Michigan his little brother? Did Thaddeus Gibson ever say "I just feel like we'll never lose to them"? Did Donte Whitner go on rants about blood on every play? None of this happened. Of the two schools in the rivalry, ours will always be considered the "Thuggy"  one (which is a word created by white dudes who are afraid of black dudes) yet our guys were the ones that went about their business on the field, laid Michigan to waste, and went on to bigger and better things-like BCS Bowl losses.

Screw Michigan. Their hypocrisy knows no limits. The old attage "The enemy you know is better than the one you don't" will set in here once Meyer gets this starship fully operational. When he's running the score up (and he's going to), they'll be begging for the Tressel era.

Pam's picture

Remember when UM got popped by the NCAA for the over practicing ( or as they refer to it: "20 extra minutes of stretching")? Tress and members of the team spoke publicly about their support for their BIG brethren. Anything like that from TSUN?

BrewstersMillions's picture

Well JT didn't have to worry about losing recruits or ground to UM. He knew they'd only get his leftovers. When OSU had trouble, everyone's eyes lit up like looters during a riot.

M Man's picture

Yeah.  Me.  "Me" is all that I can speak for, Pam.  And as you know, I have gone to some considerable lengths (and not just here) to note how generous, and gracious and careful Jim Tressel was, when Rodriguez was being savaged in the press.  And for his part, Rodriguez was grateful and quite similarly went out of his own way, when reporters asked him about the negative recruiting against Michigan during the investigation, to say that Jim Tressel and Ohio State were NOT parties to the negative recruiting.

Pam's picture

And I thank you for that. But, you know as well as I do that the chop licking that has gone on since the whole tattoo's for petty cash thing started is pretty broad along the UM base. Apparently, no win over UM while JT was coach was legit.  He only beat them because he cheated. You know it's ridiculous, but face it, that seems to be the mantra from TSUN.

M Man's picture

You need not thank me, Pam; I write what I think is right and true, not what I think folks want to hear.

Every Ohio State win over Michigan in my lifetime has been legit.*  Not a single thing on the field was influenced because Tressel "cheated."  

Of course MGoBlog has been filled with Ohio State tattoos-and-worse trashtalk.  That's what message boards do.  As were the OSU boards, in 2009-10, loaded with the equivalent stuff aimed at Rodriguez, which was peculiarly ironic since the one thing in the whole bizarre and petty NOA aimed at Michigan was that the school and Rodriguez together fought the failure to monitor charge against Rich, and on that single charge, the NCAA folded.

Pam you are much too smart, and way too well informed, to get into generalizations of what "seems to be the mantra" from up here.  I long ago realized that together, both of our shcools ought to carefully consider anything that the NCAA might consider as a breach of the bylaws, and correct anything that needs correcting.  The spirit and the letter.  No shortcuts.  And just as surely, together defend anything about which the press has gone into a frenzy.  We've both seen some of each; going forward, with those two situations well behind us, times should be very good indeed.  We should be pushing each other hard to be nothing less than the two best football programs for students and athletes in the nation.

*This is not such a benign platitude.  I personally witnessed at least two Sparty 'victories' over Michigan which were both purely illegitimate, and both of which drew subsequent official actions from Big Ten officiating administrators.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Not speaking for Pam, but I live 'up here', and that is the mantra up here. Not by all, but let's just say I don't listen to local sports talk radio anymore. Tressel is Satan, blah blah. I do take issue with the view that RR was subject to a witch hunt by Freep. The issue to me was not the extra practice time (which didn't help anyway), it was the fact that coaches were present during the extra sessions. I don't think it matters if it was G.A.'s, as they easily could relay any information they witnessed to full time staff. I don't think it was worth the hell the NCAA put A2 through as I don't think Tressel deserved his name dragged through mud. On that we can agree. But let's not pretend like OSU isn't viewed as a cheating program up here. The folks that are reasonable, like yourself, are in the minority.

M Man's picture

Well, there were the Liar, Liar Vest's on Fire billboards.  Billboards.  Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood Spartans.

So, yeah, Steve.  I'm with you.  It is what happens on the north and south sides of the state lines.  I know I am an outlier.  Story of my life.

Except this that I cannot let pass; that Rodriguez absolutely was made the subject of a witch hunt.  There are people up here that hated the losses under Rodriguez and more or less hated Rodriguez for that.  There are people who think Rodriguez was a genius,  there are others who think he was incompetent.  There are people who hate Brandon for the way he fired Rodriguez, there are others who wanted Miles, Harbaugh, anybody but Rodriguez.  What the cognoscenti can just about all agree on, without too many other questions being asked or answered, is that Rodriguez was the victim of a witch hunt.


Kalamazoo Steve's picture

HHe, like Tressel, broke rules and got caught. I don't view that as a witch hunt. But, oh well. Its all behind us now.

Poison nuts's picture

I stay away from reading anything written by fans of that school anymore due the fact they do tell themselves and anyone who will listen that the Tressel era and all games that took place during, means nothing to them because he was a "cheater". It's disgusting & typically arguing with them, be it digitally or face to face, brings my blood to a boil...


Edit - I realize that not every UM fan feels this way...but a majority of the ones I've come across have been very vocal about Tressel & his "cheating".

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

buckeyedude's picture

Absolutely great post, Brewster. 



the polesposition's picture

I love this read.  Only one question--how could you possibly write this with including Christine Kalis's comments?  I mean, he popped off about a game he's likely trolling the sidelines (and attibuted to a date for which it won't even be played)!

Nice work though!!!

the polesposition's picture

I love this read.  Only one question--how could you possibly write this without including Christine Kalis's comments?  I mean, he popped off about a game he's likely trolling the sidelines (and attibuted to a date for which it won't even be played)!


DJ Byrnes's picture

No words for a turncloak.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Denny's picture

Who is Christine Kalis. I assume you're calling Kyle Kalis a female. He's not.


Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Ha! This is why I have a man crush on Denny.

BigBuckNuts's picture

We will do our talking on the field. Then they will realize talk is cheap.

BuckPirate1981's picture

While I didn't quite get the Justified reference, when you started talking about Masochism and Brady Hoke, for whatever reason the only thought that came to mind was Brother Silas and the notion that Hoke may be on the verges of starting an Opus Dei cult in M!ch!g@n that would put Scientology recruitment to shame. 

While wondering who would be Hart's replacement in way of having a loud mouth, I never put two and two together and thought about some of the "why they're going to suck," great article DJ. Something that came to mind about a recruit that Michigan was going after, after reading "mean streak" as his "must work on's" on Scout was that this is NOT someone that Ohio State would be going so hard after under Meyer. I can't help but think our kids are probably saying some silly things from time to time as well, but under Hoke, this stuff seems to have become common place. I can't help but think, after the Hart years, that there's some sort of karmic retribution scale out there, and that all of this nonsense is going to come back and haunt these kids one day (or, I should probably say, on four days with a potential five pending any redshirts). Aaaaaand there is. And not just in football. Michigan, I'd like you to meet Chris Marinelli, of Stanford.

I hate it, playing up there. The field, excuse my language, the field sucks. The stadium sucks. I think the area sucks. I grew up with a bunch of Irish and Italian Catholic people back home (Boston). And all the Irish Catholic people, all they talk about is Notre Dame this, Notre Dame that. And they've never even been there, ya know. So I hate those guys, I hate that school. We are going out there to mash them up and that's all there is to it.

Those comments seem fairly mild to the homophobic rants offered up by Michigan's lot, and yet Stanford was classy enough to make sure it took Marinelli into the principal's office, give him a spanking, and then made him change his tune:

I would like to apologize to the University of Notre Dame and anybody else who I may have offended from the remarks I made in an interview earlier this week. I was caught up in the emotions of the game and should have been more thoughtful in my comments. The remarks were out of character for me and certainly aren’t reflective of my teammates or anybody else affiliated with the Stanford program. I look forward to a competitive game on Saturday in one of the great environments in college football.

Jim Harbaugh, the coach at the time and a real Michigan man (dude even attended Pioneer High School in AA until his father took a coaching job in California - after coaching under Bo), issued this apology as well:

It is out of character (for Chris), he let his emotion and his passion for this game get the best of him", Harbaugh said. "It is certainly not what I think is in his heart. And its definitely not the view of Stanford football or the university.

I can't help but think if Harbaugh had been the coach at Michigan, the outcome of comments such as Magnuson's or the many others around that time & since would have been much different. The ND captains at the time, also much classier men, were asked about Marinelli's comments and among their responses was this:

Q: David, you don’t want to taunt anybody when you’re up with a three-touchdown lead?
DAVID BRUTON: I’m not going to say anything. I think yeah, if we’re up by three touchdowns, I believe that says enough.

For the record, Notre Dame won the that game. I'd have much more respect for Hoke if he would have stood up and at least said something about all of these comments. Regardless, karma's a b*tch Michigan, and she plans to collect in 267 days. Or sooner - don't forget she likes those other sports too. Rivalries, gotta love 'em!


poop's picture

It's not hard to see Brady Hokes' intent on playing bullyball. His stockpiling of beefy dudes is testament to this. I'm sure Urban Meyer, who wrote the book on what speed can do to size, is probably licking his lips in anticipation. I know I certainly am. 

We'll see. Michigan has the advantage of not having Bollman try to transform big slow guards into tackles. Of course, I don't think anyone they have at tackle is going to like going up against Washington, Spence, Miller, Pittman or Hayes. 

cbusbuckeye's picture

Dont forget Williams, Simon, Bennett and Hankins

Poison nuts's picture

Thank you.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

buckeyedude's picture

False bravado.

Chest thumping.

That is what these teenagers have. Reality will set in come November.



Poison nuts's picture

And I really like that our guys are saying nothing at all....

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

CoachGrasso's picture

"Brady Hoke, much like Muggles in their fear of Lord Voldemort, refused to call Ohio State by its government name."

As a middle school Language Arts teacher currently teaching The Sorcerer's Stone, I found this particularly enjoyable. Well played DJ.

JasonBuck's picture

I have to say I laugh everytime Urban is compared to Hoke by a scUM fan and they make him sound like they are "equals". Let's be honest THEY ARE NOT EQUALS! Urban is the superior coach, mentor, person, and recruiter. I appreciate your delusion howevee please do not try to suck us in to it with you!

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

What? Hoke doesn't have two national championship trophies? Is A2 aware of this travesty?

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I've go no problem what-so-ever with a few decent posters from UM on here as long as they aren't of the typical troll variety that polute every other board!  M Man has been an excellent poster on the board and brings in another perspective in a non dick way.  We all have our morons and as long as they stay off here - I'm good with it all!  It will make the season more fun when we have a couple of people to spar with!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Alhan's picture

I have to say I have had some confusion in the past about who TTUN's biggest rival is.  I mean for tOSU its TTUN hands down, but I would say about 50% of the self-proclaimed SchoolThatShallNotBeNamed fans the I have talked to here in C-Bus vehemently state that they (and all skunkweasel fans) could care less about the tOSU game and that Michigan State was their biggest rival.  The MGoBlow posters through the "biggest rival" link seem to disagree with that opinion though.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke