Pride & Prejudice

By Ramzy Nasrallah on March 19, 2012 at 2:21p
Junior SenatorDESTINY: As he grows older this little guy will become myopic and obnoxious.

There's a memorable scene in the 2009 business traveler cinematograph Up in the Air where George Clooney's character explains to the therapist from 50/50 how to quickly navigate through airport security on the fly.

"Never get behind old people," he tells her. "Their bodies are littered with hidden metal and they never seem to appreciate how little time they have left. Asians? They pack light, travel efficiently and they have a thing for slip-on shoes. God love 'em."

The 50/50 therapist can't believe what she's hearing. "That's racist," she firmly says in response, glaring at him.

"I'm like my mother," he replies, unaffected. "I stereotype. It's faster."

It's an exquisite double entendre that anyone who has ever tried to accelerate the TSA's routinely sluggish operation has silently undertaken: Avoid the security lines with slow-looking people.

It doesn't necessarily make you a bad person; you're just trying to make it to your gate before your plane leaves. Even if it did make you a bad person, it's your private inner monologue which is mercifully (for you, you creep) insulated from everyone else. 

Last week when Jason linked the story to Cleveland Scene's investigation into "why Buckeye fans are such myopic assholes" I clicked in earnest. Growing up and having lived in Ohio - twice - has left me intimately familiar with the perpetual fervor and general loathsomeness that non-fans often find...beleaguering.

We're all acutely aware of that visible moiety of the Buckeye fan base. That's all our vocal antagonizers are, really - a piece, a portion, a component, an element. There is no uniformity among fan bases. It's like race and age, only dressed with common transferrable identifiers like replica jerseys, hounds tooth hats or denim shorts.

I've always concluded this unwashed faction was simply the product of Ohio State's huge, passionate fan base but was intrigued to see what better underlying justification the author's analysis would produce. Socioeconomic factors? Historical antecedents? Selective breeding?

Unfortunately, instead of delivering a methodical takedown of the least sophisticated constituent of the Ohio State fan base, the author sourced his salvo exclusively through his own pre-existing and deep-seeded hatred of Buckeye fans (!) a Bleacher Report slideshow (!!) and a sampling of sports talk radio trolls like Bruce Hooley (!!!). Essentially, he went hunting for game on the world's smallest animal preserve.

I don't think anyone debates the existence of a mongrel horde in scarlet jerseys. I kind of like knowing it exists, at an arm's length. Those fans can crap in and abandon coolers, shout obscenities at opposing fans and generally be stupid in public to their clogged hearts' content. Sure it's unsavory, but some wild horses just can't be tamed.

As long as they don't commit real crimes that harm innocent bystanders, like using your and you're interchangeably or adding apostrophes to plural words, I just cannot hope for their demise. In that same vein, it's hard to allow a convenient caricature to define the largest college football fan base in America. 

We can't all be civilized, cordial and handsome: Then no one would be left to be memorable or cautionary.

OMG IS THAT ANDY KATZENMOYER OR ARCHIE GRIFFIN?Beneath many poor choices beats a heart of gold. Maybe.

The true identity of a fan base occurs at the intersection of exposure and self-awareness. Anyone who has dared to venture further than 100 miles from where they are from has this all figured out: For example, not all Penn State fans buy into the insidious conspiracy that the university Board of Trustees used Jerry Sandusky as a convenient excuse to remove Joe Paterno. They realize there was more to it than that.

Not all Notre Dame fans are from third-generation Fighting Irish families who, like their parents and grandparents before them, never filled out a college application, let alone finished high school.

Similarly, not all Michigan fans are boorish non-alumni who latch onto the school's academic reputation to boost their own self-worth. They're not all Internet tough guys who quickly transform into meek little weenies in person.

And not all Michigan fans from Ohio became that way out of petulant childhood rebellion in a desperate attempt to be unique. Nor do they all call Ohio State "Ohio" because some of them actually realize doing so is far less condescending (to Ohio State, anyway) than it is grossly inaccurate.

But we compartmentalize because it's comforting. We stereotype. It's faster.

Not all Michigan alumni are titans of industry, Wall Street shot-callers, partners of boutique law firms or Gerald Ford. And as fun as it is to imagine, they're also not all Wal-Mart Wolverines either. Don't pretend you're not disappointed.

And I cannot pretend I'm not disappointed by the false promise of a 3,300-word circle jerk teasing some insight into the Ohio State fan base before using sports talk radio as its meat and potatoes. It wasn't the dumbest article I've started to read in a very long time, but it was definitely the dumbest one I actually finished.

Sports radio is a medium, not too dissimilar from modern-day cable news, that is deliberately constructed to prey on one's vulnerabilities and biases with the hopes that it will anchor the consumer to the broadcast regularly, which in turn drives advertising rates. ESPN's "news" division operates like this as well.

Perceived hate and portrayed love are disingenous partners in increasing audience reach. Simply being newsworthy hasn't been required for airtime this century. The unexcitable yet passionate fans that comprise the fat part of the bell curve don't ever call into sports talk radio shows. The reasonable ones who actually do get run off the air before they're finished. They're uninteresting and lose audiences.

The unwashed faction is only interrupted by a hard commercial break. They have free reign over the airwaves. If this is how you judge any fan base, let alone Ohio State's, then the myopic asshole you're looking for lives in the nearest mirror.

While Bleacher Report is attempting a transformation from an oafish slideshow-based content farm to credible sports outlet staffed by actual writers, it's not exactly a peer-reviewed journal. "Ohio State fans are the worst because Bleacher Report says so" is hardly a conclusive addition to the evidence pile.

Serving in Brady Hoke's militia under the command of General StudiesHis name was Robert Paulson. (Photo via Wal-Mart Wolverines)

What was most disappointing was the number of Michigan friends who sent me the link. Sure, this is an incredibly stupid article, but hurrrrrrrrrr I agree with it LOL obviously you're not like that. I guess that either makes me less of a Buckeye fan or not one at all. Most of my life has been a big lie.

And that's your intersection of exposure and self-awareness. What separates Ohio State from many other rabid fan bases is the understanding of itself. Having an alumni base of considerable size and diversity does that; we know what we are. We don't pretend to be a homogenous blob free of imperfections.

The university knows it too; hell, there's been a school-sponsored sportsmanship council for years that has carried a charter of subtle encouragement to the horde that they have to share the valuable brand they often vomit all over, even if that hurling occurs in the vapid basin of sports talk radio.

The easiest thing to do to avoid being mistaken for this caricature is to simply not be one.

If you're somehow unsure of what this stereotype looks like, here are some tips: Look out for young and old people. Their bodies are littered with school colors regardless of age and they never seem to acknowledge when a given sports season comes to an end, because for them it never really does.

Buckeye fans? They pack stadiums, travel inefficiently and they have a thing for replica jerseys. God love 'em.


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btalbert25's picture

I never knew that David Wells and his kitten were AACC fans.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I think that pic was taken the morning of his perfect game if I'm not mistaken...

ARMYBUCK's picture

BTALBERT, You, my friend are SPOT ON!  David Wells indeed.


btalbert25's picture

Slamming some beer and eating small kittens for breakfast, I knew that was a winning combo!

btalbert25's picture

Sorry, meant to post that to the comment about the perfect game. 

PWLafferty. TBDBITL. TRow.'s picture

Someone PLEASE send this to Kyle Swenson.  Great article, Ramzy.  

"I'm up there with Chris and Dave Pass, getting ready to broadcast that game, and that band came out of that tunnel, I was wiping tears out of my eyes and all the memories came back." ~Urban Meyer

doodah_man's picture

Great article, Ramzy, as usual. I live right at the intersection of Alabama University and Auburn University (Montgomery, Alabama). Yes, SEC fans wear jerseys. Lots of them do. Ramzy correctly points out the weakness of many of the blogs (and not one that I have seen too much of here at 11 W). They put the most ridiculous BS out of their butts and post it as "news".

Jim "DooDah" Day

"If I were giving a young man advice as to how he might succeed in life, I would say to him, pick out a good father and mother, and begin life in Ohio.” --Wilbur Wright, 1910

Matt's picture

Great article.

Maestro's picture

That poor sweet little boy.  He never had a chance.........wink.

vacuuming sucks

BuckeyeSaab's picture

Great read


I'm sorry for not being sorry.

baddogmaine's picture

My observation, limited mostly to what I read in 11W and what it links me to (since I live in Maine, far far from the hub of civilization), is that Buckeye fans *are* assholes to roughly the same degree that the entire population are. There are thoughtful people here; there are folks I hope are not raising children. We are a passionate bunch; we are, alas, not a uniformly analytical bunch.

I seem to be a particularly divisive 11W member, in the sense that my posts seem to generate an inordinate number of responses of the kind that do not make society or 11W a better place. I love the members who tell me *why* I am wrong - I learn from them. I'm particularly dismayed by those whose entire contribution is to say "Baddogmaine, right on cue" and complain that what I write is too long and/or too boring. It's as if their being Buckeye fans means that they have the right to rudeness. It's as if having no patience for analysis is something to be proud of.

What I also find dismaying is that 11W lets it happen. About a month ago we were reminded about standards for posting that prohibited personal attacks. This is not a bad rule. What is bad is that there seems to be almost no enforcement. Eventually people who get attacked enough will leave and 11W will have the substance of a television program giving airtime to dysfunctional families. Unless  11W is serious that posting just to see one's name on-line is OK - PROVIDED THAT IT IS NOT INTENDED JUST TO MOCK SOMEONE ELSE. If what I write is boring don't read it. If what I write is too long unless and until 11W tells me it is too long you have the option of scrolling till you find shorter posts. I'm doing my best to make sense, if I've failed for you then stop reading my posts. But posting just to ridicule me, without ever putting forth an original thought of your own, is not helpful.

Buckeye fans are seen as thugs partly because fans of other institutions are jealous of Buckeye success. But Buckeye fans are also seen as thugs because we act that way. If we act that way in a Buckeye blog then we are acting that way in public. The Buckeye hating will decrease - it will never stop but it can decrease - when we act civilly even when our private inner monologue is ordering mayhem.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Proving you feedback that your posts are too long seems to be right on target, IMO. I like most of what you write even if I disagree with it, but I wish you'd get to the point with less words. I'm pretty sure that providing that feedback isn't against 11W policy. I've been called out for my geeky-type comments before, and whoever called me out was prolly right.

There are a lot of fan on fan attacks on here, but I imagine that happens anywhere.

I just don't get the sh*t talking and why that is embraced so much, not only by our fanbase, but others too. I get a few little jabs made in taste and good humor, but people take it too far.

Idaho Helga's picture

@is it: Agreed w/ you . Sometimes I get rambling w/ a post then I realize that hell, I DON'T READ LONG ONES USUALLY so why read mine? I shorten it.

We are disliked for a few reasons. 1) Sorry but we DO seems to be in the NCAA sanction headlights. They don't care if its only frickin' tattoos. Perception: we win 'cause we cheat? 2) We win in both prominent sports (FB, BB) including womens BB. (jealousy factor) 3) Aaron Craft does a rubics cube in 2 minutes and nobody you ever had can do that on TV and then be defensive player of the year which I think might be a lock for him now. ;)

Noticeably, we are not "hated" only mocked in SEC country because they do #'s 1 & half of #2 in spades. So they have no real animosity, just some scUM snobbery. We deserve at least that considering FB records. We need to remind them more of BB records. #3 Will sink in later and if Aaron isn't the next Michael Jordan the haters will come outta the woodwork. Watch.

Too much text! Keep it brief! gotta go!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Proving is suppose to be providing. sorry....

Idaho Helga's picture

tsk, tsk, an english error.   See, we are uneducated. (tOSU 1984 grad).  LOL

baddogmaine's picture

Telling me that my analysis of OSU basketball and tempo is wrong because of "x" (whatever "x" is) is feedback. Telling me that my post is "too long" isn't feedback, it's a matter of opinion that serves no constructive purpose. It's easy to see if a post is long, and if you know that as a rule you don't care for long posts then don't read it. If you get started on a long post and decide that it's boring then stop reading - life is too short to read stuff that is unimportant and boring. But posting a message saying "too long" insults not just the author but everyone else who thinks it was a good post. It is not helpful, it is not nice - it's just smug.

For whatever it is worth there is no definitive answer to how long an explanation ever needs to be given. I understand that stating "the obvious" is boring for those for whom the "obvious" is obvious, but articles explaining something that leave out "the obvious" are confusing for those for whom the "obvious" is not obvious at all. In my experience there are a lot of readers of 11W who are not highly knowledgeable and probably appreciate a bit of background, a filling in of steps. Those who have followed a sport for long enough to know the nuances don't need those explanations - but that doesn't mean that giving those explanations is wrong. For the more knowledgeable readers my posts may be longer than they would like, but rather than telling me to shut up you can skim to my "points" and respond in a thoughtful way.  In this way, ideas get exchanged. And over time 11W readers become more knowledgable.

Education is a great thing. That's why The Ohio State University is such a great place. Right?

schooey's picture

Could you please elaborate?

buckeyefanatic's picture


How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

It's a blog. It's the interwebs. Information is suppose to be quick. I'm not going to argue over defining feedback or what constructive is. You don't have to read my reply even. I've posted tldr, which is blog speak for too long didn't read. That isn't meant to tell you to shut up, and of your mind interprets it that way, that's kind of your fault. I'm not trying to offend you or start blog drama because that is stupid. I was just giving you my feedback, that you could get to the point sooner. And take that from someone who skips to read only specific posters as "I like what you have to say, even when I disagree, but it would be cool if you could use less words." As an avid reader of books, I'm not a lazy reader, just want the Internet to be fast info.

baddogmaine's picture

Why does information have to be quick? The recent tutorials on spread offenses are good because they are detailed. And further discussion by readers about the spread should be as detailed as necessary. So you want the internet to be "fast info" - since when were you given the right to deny those who want longer posts? If you don't like long posts then skip them. If you think my posts are longer than they need to be then stop reading them, or read them and wish that I were more terse. But posting messages complaining that a post is too long adds nothing to a discussion. No one in this blog is imprtant enough that whether or not you did or did not read something matters. If you didn't read something - so what?

Ironically, what such messages do achieve is adding quite a bit to what those who want to read everything in 11W have to read. Your readiness to tell me that I'm adding to the noise adds more noise. That is not a net gain.

RedQueenRace's picture

Proving you feedback that your posts are too long seems to be right on target, IMO.

I watched the BDM posting saga play out this season.  I avoided getting into it because I knew it would just be a time sink but I did have a view on it.  While an occasional negative response was legit feedback intended to be helpful, it seemed more often than not I saw stuff like "tl;dr" or "if you've read one BDM post ...", etc.  Sure, that can be labeled feedback but many responses can be. But it doesn't make them constructive or appropriate, much less "right on target."


Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I've posted the tldr before and didn't mean it to be offensive and I felt/feel it to be on target. Again, it's an opinion, my opinion. That is what the IMO stands for. Maybe the "if you've read one" comment is different, but I didn't see that. I should have been more specific in my last post "comments that said you use too many words for posts that arent in the forum are on target."

Thank you for your constructive feedback, and I mean that.

baddogmaine's picture

What is the point of posting "TL/DR" except to see your name in print? Is it important that anyone know that you didn't read something? does that add to anyone's knowledge base or to a discussion? If you have the right to use 11W as your own Twitter to update everyone on what you do and don't read then so does everyone else, and 11W quickly becomes buried in personal glorification, rendering the site almost entirely worthless as a place for information about OSU atheletics. No one needs to read everything in 11W or even anything - but if you don't read something that should be kept to youself. No one needs to know that you think something is boring.

Comments like "Can you elaborate" are the cranky trying to be clever. What such comments are not is informative. What such posters are not is willing to risk offering an opinion that might lead to being told that they are wrong. They hide behind the anonymity of nicknames taking shots at those who are trying to add to a discussion. While short comments can still be inciteful these are the clever witticisms that reduce 11W to a junior high playground - people who did not pay attention in class boasting of it.

We have been told by the 11W staff that we should avoid politics and religion because they are off topic and tend to offend. 11W can and should warn those who go off topic for the purpose of offending. And after a warning posting priviledge should be suspended.

The irony is that this discussion is taking place in the context of an article about why Buckeye fans are disliked.Some 11W posters are giving as good an explanation as ever could be hoped for. Or dreaded.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I've explained what I meant by it. I certainly didnt mean to ruin your day. My name in print? Are you joking? It was important for me to let you know that your posts were too long. And apparently others feel the same way. If you are that upset over what some stranger wrote on the internet you might want to try Xanax or something. Sorry I hurt your feelings. I get it that you are offended by tldr. I'll do my best to avoid using it on your posts. Bros now?

Poison nuts's picture

Ok - just because someone makes a short witty reply doesn't mean they are the "cranky trying to be clever" just as your long posts aren't drawn out, boring bits of over-opinionation (is that a word?). I like all sorts of responses personally. That's what keeps me coming here.

For the record, the "can you elaborate?" comment was hysterical. I laughed out loud & wished I had come up with it...

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Wow. I tried really hard to be as agreeable with you as possible, but its apparent you take yourself and this site waaaaaayyyy too seriously. Jokes are a big part of the site, as well are thought out, analytical responses. Laughter is a big part of life (mine, at least.) The "could you elaborate?" comment was a friendly joke that made most of us laugh. I'm disappointed you didn't get the humor, as I'm a big believer that we should all be able to laugh at ourselves daily.

Nik's picture

It's kind of funny you think your posts are too long, I actually tend to scroll through the replies and look specifically for longer posts, as most of the other ones are pretty much a waste of my time.

baddogmaine's picture

*I* don't think my posts are too long. But a high percentage of the time one or more 11W readers feels compelled to post a response criticizing me for being too long. What you say proves my point - that some people appreciate more than superficial witticisms. I hope the critics in the house read your message, Nik, and stop trying to impose their tastes on others.

Idaho Helga's picture

Warning: if Not Baddogmaine, probably skip this here...

Please note that I said I USUALLY don't read the long posts, some are good and are more like articles. I skim all the first few lines, then more often than not, exit. Post what ya want, we are not homogeneous in what we want to read and I'm sorry I criticized you since you seem pretty angry. I'm not trying to impose my tastes upon others, just telling you I get more positive feedback when I review my lengthy post, cut out what I can then I see more people responding. I could have gone on a rant about OSU vs. Gonzaga (I live near Gonzaga) but got rewarded in a few nice conversations by many by gleaning words to get readers.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I tend to appreciate the longer posts, as long as its not unnecessary ramblings (which yours never are.) I also appreciate commentators who contribute to the site with "superficial witticisms," as you label them. Personally, I wouldn't use the word superficial, as it has a negative connotation. Depending on the content, I appreciate both short and long posts. If a post is short and makes me laugh, then it must be a good post. If a post is long and makes me think, then it must be a good post. That could be vice versa as well. If a post is short and makes me think, if a post is long and makes me laugh, etc. etc.

Idaho Helga's picture

well said and thanks for the compliment.  Gotta go for today.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Well, technically I wasn't speaking to you, but I like you and your contributions to this site as well Idaho :)

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I seem to be a particularly divisive 11W member

Because you take a wonderful piece written by Ramzy and try to make the conversation about YOU. You're not the only one. There are others who try to shine a spotlight on themselves in the comments section (though I won't name names). I say this with the utmost respect: the world does not revolve around you, and conversely, no one is out to get you. Appreciate Ramzy's article for what it is: a fine piece of writing that has nothing to do with you.

ih8rolltyde's picture

Perfect post.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

thorvath22's picture

To be fair, the article was about all of us.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I will say this - not as feedback or criticism, just a thought - you may find favor in the blog posts section, on the right of your screen, below the "buckshots." I suppose the general concensus sees a comment as a shorter, abbreviated post as opposed to a blog post. I see nothing wrong with the length of your comments, I won't say whether I agree or disagree with the content, but I could see some of your comments as full blog posts. Again, just a thought, not a demand or even a suggestion.

Jason Priestas's picture

If you think a comment is too long, skip it.

If you think someone commenting about your comments being too long is a personal attack, ignore it. While I don't necessarily see that as being a personal attack, it would fall under being a jerk.

Play nice; Don't take the internet too seriously.

Menexenus's picture

I learned a new word today:  moiety.  Thanks, Ramzy!

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Poison nuts's picture

I still have to look up myopic.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Adambob's picture

One of my friends is a born and raised in Ohio scUM fan.
We went out to the bar on St Pattys day and he decides to wear his M hat.
I told him if he wanted to have a good time to take it off. He just laughed it off.
So we go into the bar and 10 minutes later the whole place was yelling O-H! I-O!

It was funny as hell until we got heckled to the point where we had to leave.

The chant was deserved because Ohio State just beat Gonzaga and Ohio beat scUM the previous day. It just sucks to feel threatened by fellow fans.

buckeyedude's picture

Interesting Adambob. I live in Toledo, and there are bars here that seem to be Michelin only. Then there are others that seem welcome MU and OSU fans. I don't know about other areas of Michelin or Ohio because I've lived here most of my life, but in Toledo the Michelin fans are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more vocal and obnoxious than OSU fans(I've had MU fans admit this, at least the vocal part). Even when they are losing consistantly to Ohio. I would love to hear from other Toledoans and Northwest Ohioans on this. ;)  

This is all supposed to be a diversion from life(sports).  When idiots get in a fight over a game, you have to wonder what is wrong with society.



nightmuse's picture

I live in Toledo and have been amazed by what 1 win over an OSU team that had the first losing season in forever raised the volume of all MU fans. I think the closer you are to AA the more concentration of MU fans you have.

Case Study of 1: Having said that my family is a true border war family (We have the Ohio Family) and my dad's brother is the Michigan family. Every year we have Thanksgiving on game day (BTW the Cooper years were *ell) but the my family is muchhhhhhhhh more vocal (probably obnoxious as well) than my uncle's family watching the game. 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I lived in Rossford for about 8 (very painful) months and was seriously outnumbered by Michigan fans. This was during a Cooper year.

shadedred's picture

I grew up in Rossford. My two brothers are AACC fans to the nth degree and were constantly giving me grief through the Cooper years. Then they started to quiet down during the Tressel era. Now since this past November, they started back up and I cannot get them to shut up about how Flounder has them back on top and "we'll" never win another one.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Pretty sure that their smack talk will end soon....

buckeyedude's picture

You're right Muse, about the one win in eons, for MU and their fans.

 I feel like I'm in the nephew played a major sport for MU back in the 90s, so my family is split.  HE  told me how bad the MU fans treated opposing fans, especially any fans of opposing teams wearing red. And his dad, my brother, acted as if he was proud of that.  

Why are Ohio State fans always the one's that get called out for their few bad fans? This drives me nuts.

I think a small amount of trash talk is fun, but it's gotten out of control. Just like society.



Doc's picture

I live in B. G. and my practice is in Holland.  The AACC fans in this neck of the woods are obnoxious.  One win in FB and BB in a decade and they have their chests all bumped out and talkin' smack.  On game days BuckeyeDude just go to Dale's in Maumee or Shawns' in H20ville to be scUM free.

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buckeyefanatic's picture

Dude don't you have a smart phone??  This is exactly what YouTube is made for!  :)

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

nightmuse's picture

I lost a bet once and had to come to a OSU football game in the opposing teams t-shirt. Keep in mind this opposing team was of the cannon fodder variety as they tune up for their Big Ten schedule. One Buckeye fan tripped me on purpose while yelling expletives at me and another wouldn't stand in the same concession line with me (Glad I wasn't wearing the M-word garb). I thought it was very Twilight Zone since I am a Buckeye fan. Most of the other Buckeye fans were fine, but it sure made me conscious of the small minority of fans and how they treated opposing fans--no matter what team and how our inaction or saying nothing only fosters that kind of behavior. I thought how we treated Penn State after their armegeddon was a true testament to most of the Buckeye faithful. 

P.S. I will never make a bet like that again.....

Idaho Helga's picture

Think about it. You're at a mall; business traveling and stuck somewhere for a few days. You go to several stores sporting an OSU shirt for the day. At one store, one person, a customer, is fairly or really rude. Do you go back to the mall EVEN THOUGH no employees were rude? Probably not; you pick somewhere else. One bad apple...

I got boo'd and remarked at in Costco on Saturday. Frickin' Costco at 10am! But Zags fans are very class so this was a single idiot and I recognized this as such.

schooey's picture

I never saw the point of fan colors in enemy territory, except for a game. I would say that is asking for it. 

A great deal of OSU hate comes from the fact that our fan base is huge and the team is successful. I don't see much difference in degrees of obnoxiousness when it comes to big seccessful football schools. I would hope, however, that opposing fans do not suffer truly verbal and/or physical abuse at the Shoe, especially older folks... Leave that to Wisconsin. 

I once lived in an area of SC that had as many if not more OSU fans than any other team. To their credit I know of no abuse suffered by OSU fan at the hands of the natives. Likewise, here in NYC Buckeye gear is often seen. Wherever I go I find OSU fans. Buckey Nation is vast and hence the hate.

Is is only going to get worse when Urban and crew start pounding away! Oh yeah, can't fucking wait!! 

timdogdad's picture

that's the post i was looking for- every fan base of big programs will come over as abnoxious and annoying. isn't it the same for scum,nd, bama, texas,etc? 

what is weak and annoying is to be from rossford, oh and be a scum fan. dude, you live in freaking ohio. that's so fairweather it's disgusting. i can stomach steelers fans in youngstown because the browns are a lost cause. 

and please don't hassle cleveland fans of the bucks for bragging some. no one i mean no one knows pain and suffering like cleveland fans. so if we're bragging about our college football team and you're from rossford, oh and think that's abnoxious, then you can F- OFF!! 

so wait, no championships for cleveland for almost 50 years and and the whole world hates our college football team?  yeah that's fair.  go root for your stupid squid throwing hockey team and get the f out of ohio.    

btalbert25's picture

Do you have to be an Ohio State fan just because you live in Ohio?  If you aren't from Ohio  do you have no right to be an Ohio State fan.  I live in Kentucky and can't stand Kentucky because of UK fans.  I love Ohio State and most of my wardrobe consists of Ohio State or Cincinnati Reds T-shirts.  So, is it asking for it that I wear an Ohio State shirt in a different state that has a huge passionate fan base of their own?  Not really.

As someone said above, this is supposed to be a diversion from stress and troubles of every day life.  Not an invitation for some douchebag to get in your face and start yelling or try to trip you or shove you etc.  Other than some fun banter back and forth, I just don't take sports that seriously, and quite honestly I think people who do have something wrong with them.  I've never felt the desire to walk up to someone wearing a Bama shirt and felt the need to go over and argue with them and ruin a good time.  Most of the time if someone I don't know comes up to me and says something to me I tell them, I love my team, I don't care about you, your team, or what conference they are in.  It's irrelevant.  I'm sure as hell not going to waste my energy on someone like that.  Most of the time letting them know how insignificant their team is to you or the BS is, makes them even more pissed off than if you sat there and argued with them for 2 hours.

741's picture

If you are over 10 years of age, do not paint your face in OSU colors. That is all.


Also, you are fat.

Idaho Helga's picture

ok I am going to rant who the hell is this guy who is like 400+ lbs who paints himself 1/2 gray 1/2 red, buckeye necklaces. etc....know who I'm talking about?  While I KNOW he is a die-hard buckeye he's a COMPLETE embarrassment to tOSU.  I get comments at work, home. Ugh.  TONE IT DOWN. 

Loved the Black guy (no racial thing intended, just for identification) who wore a white cape, drove a nice Bucks-mobile and showed at least from my 2400mile away venue serious-for-silly-costume-class.  He was classy not an embarrassment.

Also; if you're 19 and stupid w/ body paint, etc then it's forgiven. Not at 40 or 50.

buckeyefanatic's picture

Not me, I like'em all.  They are fixtures.  I get you opinion and you are certainly entitled to it of course.  Here is a primer, I think I am right on the names:

Buckeye Man


Big Nut (Lantern Writeup)

Neutron Man

My Dream Girls


How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

741's picture

Nothing but love and respect for Orlas King (note the lack of face paint).

Buckeye Chuck's picture

The thing about Neutron Man is that he never set out to become famous. It just sort of happened. The new breed of self-appointed "Superfan" gets on my nerves a wee bit.

The question of why Ohio State and its fans seem to generate such disdain is a complicated one, but I think the size of the fanbase and our dominant position within a populous state are key reasons. For all the talk here and elsewhere in the Bucksverse (especially in the last 15 months) about how we're constantly under siege, for those who aren't fans, we're Goliath.

But the idea that we're uniquely obnoxious as a group is ridiciulous--and this goes not just for the Cleveland Scene guy, but for anyone in the fraternity who tries to deflect their frustration after a loss or a setback by proclaiming that "this is the world's worst fanbase." Apart from its size, this fanbase is like any other.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Buckeyeneer's picture

I agree about Neutron Man. He was great. The new generation are attention whores always trying to get on camera. I didn't really have a problem with it until I saw Buck-I-Guy walking around signing autographs. Really? You are a fan, nothing more.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Buck-I-Guy is kind of an asshole. He relishes his role of cameraman target a little too much. He seemed so arrogant when I ran into him while tailgating.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Poison nuts's picture

I like all of them as fixtures as we well. I ran into Buck I Guy in Texas in 2006 and he was alright. We talked a bit at a tailgate. I saw him in Jacksonville this year and he was definitely more aware of his stature as a "superfan" and therefor not nearly as approachable as several years ago. I like the Buckeye superfans but I would hope they remember they are just fans at the end of the day.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

RBuck's picture

3 years ago this clown asked my grand-niece for 5 bucks for having his picture taken with her.

Long live the southend.

Poison nuts's picture

Yeah - that really sucks. That's what I was getting at a bit above. 5 years ago he seemed like a guy who was having some fun and being outrageous - this year his attitude was worse than most celebrities I've come across. Then I see him at the game, he was sitting nearby, and he spent more time trying to get on camera than cheering and enjoying the game...

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

southbymidwest's picture

Is the guy next to Buckeye Man in the first picture trying to look like Woody Hayes? Sure does bear a resemblance.

Buckeyeneer's picture

Yeah, those two usually sit together. The other "superfan" not noted was "Captain Ohio" who dresses in a scarlett and grey Captain America costume.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

RedStorm45's picture

Ran into Big Nut at the tourney in Indianapolis - very cool.  Stopped with every fan who wanted a picture (didn't ask for money from what I saw).  His wife I believe was walking around with him and just had two little temporary tattoo things on her cheeks.  She kind of looked overwhelmed with all of the attention he got from other fans but I'm sure she's used to it (I'm assuming it was his wife, I don't know).  I do find it weird that these guys do all of that at their ages...if you step back and look at a 40 year old man wearing a cape or jersey with face paint and a wig, it's kind of sad.

sharkvsghost's picture

can't agree with 741 enough on this one. i cringe every time one of these guys gets on tv. look, i'm a proud alum who loves his alma mater as much as anything, but these guys are embarrassing. there's nothing "super" about acting like that as a grownup. you make the fan base look like a giant clown show. regularly. on national television. please stop.

swing hard in case you hit it.

741's picture

The thing that really pisses me off is somehow they always have a seat right down near the field in a prime location - it truly makes me wonder if the OSU department of athletics is enabling their douchebaggery thinking somehow it is good publicity for the Buckeyes...

It isn't.

Flyermike's picture

I dont post on here very often because quite honestly I find it more entertaining to just read all the opinions flying around in the forums.  For the most part my train of thought is almost already posted by the time I get to the bottom of the comments section.  Anyway, I do feel the need to share an experience with my best friend to this day and roommate at the University of Dayton (hence flyer). It pretty much changed my entire perspective on sports.

Our soph. year was the year of the epic 1 vs. 2 battle.  The second or third week of the season we watched Michigan paste ND, then later we watched Troy Smith dismantle Texas in primetime.  He is a die hard scUM fan, and I am obviously an OSU fan.  On that day though, we were both fairly intoxicated by the time the OSU game was over, and I just remember having the group of people we were with pulling us apart.  I asked the next day what it was all about, and the only explanation I got was that my friend called Ted Ginn slow which started a chain reaction of hatred from both sides.  We both apologized to each other the next day and basically pledged that we would never act like five-year-olds over a game of football ever again.  We still give each other grief, but its all in good fun (I texted him "fear the Bobcat" on Friday night).  I guess my point of this rant is that at one point, I was one of those drunken idiots that give OSU a bad name.  But I have since realized that sports are nothing but entertainment, and at the end of the day they have little direct impact on my life.  I feel like I am in the majority for all sports fans in that respect.  As with everything it seems like in the world, a few bad apples...

Great read Ramzy.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Good post.

That's totally okay, anyone that calls Ted Ginn slow totally deserves it. Joking.

That was an interaction with your best friend which, speaking for myself, doesn't really seem like you being an asshole. Who hasn't squabbled with their friends while drunk? Me and my buddy still fight over Montana vs Marino. If you haven't behaved that way toward semi-strangers, no crime.

Your point over realizing football has no real impact on your life is great. It always kills me to hear someone say the Championship was the greatest day of their life, not the birth of their Children, their wedding day, or job promotion, but a football game.

Idaho Helga's picture

Thanks for the honest reply. I DO think that all of us who have been to several games particularly when 18-20 yrs of age and were drinking probably have had a moment we regretted later. But women don't get into fights; we just say absolutely stupid horrid things...whatever.

I have a bit of a story on a Michigan couple at Hineygate; I have a picture of. I found them having the time of their life. nobody hassled 'em. If that is the norm, we do not have any problem.

If only .01% are assholes amoung 110,000 you still have 110 assholes. I'm surprised there aren't more reporting of negative incidents.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Actually, that would only be 11 assholes, not 110.... but your point is still valid.

Idaho Helga's picture

Well MY bad math. So, at 110,000 per game: If .1 % (for those of you scoring, 1/10 of 1%) are assholes,then we get 110 assholes at a game. A small percentage for society even without the addition of alcohol at tailgates.

If .01% (1 of 10,000) attended then we get what looks like the actual number (11) per game. I doubt you could go to another public or private meeting of any kind and result in better numbers.

Here's an example of what is "obnoxious" but OSU Fans put up with this. I once scalped some Utah extra tickets at the gate from some Utah fan so I ended up sitting next to them. Soon discovered a dad of a defensive player from Utah was the guy next me so I toned it down a quite bit on the cheering and even told the group (5 or 6) of restaurants, etc to go to in Columbus. We beat them like 40-0 yet only one came ungluded during the game and bitched that everything in his sight was unfair. That dad was a complete idiot and got beligerent with me, everyone around us (OSU crowd) and is lucky he didn't get pounded into the ground. His buddies had the class to apoligize to me numerous times as this guy thought his son was a god and he came to Columbus expecting to win and was delusional. These were all airplane pilots and had got free fare to come except the obnoxious dad.


Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I have always tried to make opposing fans feel welcome, but have seen some hideous things happen to them. It's not just the students, but the tailgating adults, or the folks who pack in the bars who act so badly. I think the worst thing I saw was a group of 5 OSU fans chase and tackle a Michigan fan, strip off his cheesy blue and yellow leather jacket and proceed to burn it. Pretty sure it went right on top of the #13 jersey that was already burning.

ArTbkward's picture

I wish that everyone would make opposing fans feel welcome.  A bit of friendly jest is always fun but certainly burning someone's jacket is way, way over the line.

I went to the Nebraska game this year and was blown away at how friendly and hospitable all their fans were, even after the fourth quarter meltdown.  I left there extremely impressed and thinking that this is exactly how I want to represent my university. Since then I've made a conscious effort to welcome opposing fans to Columbus.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...

(Also, I'm not a dude)

Breakawayspeed's picture

"And not all Michigan fans from Ohio became that way out of petulant childhood rebellion in a desperate attempt to be unique."

Two of the 30 or so, employees at work are aacc fans born and raised here in South-Central Ohio.  Both have told me they became "fans" to essentially piss off their fathers.  Just saying..

My Brooklyn-born brother-in-law says he doesen't understand the "hate-thing" OSU fans have about tsun.  (and he never will).

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

IMO the hatred for tOSU started around 2001. I'm not that old yet(30), but I remember alot of people pulling for us to upset Miami in the title game. Afterwards I think many people became frustrated with our fans that pounded their chests after what America saw a controversial ending on a *pass interference call or no call.  

I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, after that win over Miami I noticed more and more of my fellow Marines starting to bash Ohio State. I think we as a fanbase had that win coming for a long time, and maybe we were too proud. It seems after consecutive wins over Michigan college football fans just became fed up with us. The sweatervest brought us more success than we'd seen since Woody, and maybe some of our fans who weren't so proud to support Jon Cooper's shortcomings with tsun, started to come out of the woodwork and buy Buckeye gear and become more supportive.

I grew up in northwest Ohio, where there are alot of Meatchicken and Irish fans. I remember feeling like I was a minority in being a hardcore Buckeye fan. In school I remember kids always bashing tOSU because we couldn't beat tsun. I also remember alot of Note Dame fans clinging to what Lou Holtz had accomplished and demanding to be respected nationally instead of earning it.

Now with the hiring of Urban F*cking Meyer the first, people probably hate us more. I guess it's something we'll have to deal with. I hate the comparison but people hate the Yankees nationwide, I think it has to do with alot of success. Notice how many people laugh and poke fun at the Yankees when they lose. Michigan has gained the sympathy of average football fans now after their worst years ever.

It could be worse Buckeye fans, it didn't happen here.... CRAIG JAMES KILLED 5 HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

acBuckeye's picture

I'm about your age Glue, but I'm pretty sure the hatred for tOSU started waaaay before 2001. The Buckeyes have been a dominant football program for decades, so large percentages of the college football world have been hating us fans and the program for a long, long time.

With that being said, the Miami game was one of the few times in program history where the Bucks entered the game as a clear underdog. America generally loves an underdog story, and hence tends to pull for them. I don't have statistical data to back that claim, but it certainly seems that way. I would imagine most neutral fans of that game probably wanted to see tOSU win for a few reasons: 1) to end Miami's long winning streak, and disrupt their "dynasty." 2) b/c of the reputation Miami garnered from their previous "dynasty" of being a bunch of cheating thugs. 3) b/c tOSU was supposed to represent everything that was the opposite of what Miami represented.

Then the "interference" play happened, and things did seem to change. I agree with you on how us fans puffed our chests out probably a little too much b/c we'd waited so long for another national title. (The crazy scene in Columbus after beating scUM that year didn't really help either.) I think a majority of neutral fans then seemed to think that Miami got "cheated" out of winning that game. Of course, any logical person knows that the ref did indeed make the incorrect call on that play: it should've been called holding, but i digress.

The hatred that has emerged from that point forward could be attributed to a myriad of reasons too numerous to get into right now. But I definitely get what you're saying.

BTW- thank you for your service.


GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I agree, I guess I meant it felt like the rest of society got sick of us after 2001. 

We were a huge underdog. I remember getting drunk before the game started, because I honestly thought we were going to lose. Miami was stacked that year. McGahee, K2, Andre Johnson, Ken Dorsey was on fire, Brett Romberg was a stud center.  DJ Williams, Vilma, Sean Taylor, Kelly Jennings.... Amazing to think Wilfork and Frank Gore were'nt starters.   

I'm still amazed we won that game!  August can't get here soon enough!!!!  

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

BuckeyeJim's picture

Woody hated ttun and let his emotions show. Woody was also the greatest recruiter ever for ND. If there was some kid that Woody was trying to get for OSU but the kid also thought about going to ttun as a better fit, Woody would convince him that ND was a better choice.

Maestro's picture

Is there a length limit to a post?  Just curious.

vacuuming sucks

btalbert25's picture

I have a different perspective than most Ohio State fans because when I go to a bar to watch a game, I'm really not surrounded by Buckeye fans.  I was at an event last year in Indy where people from NKY, Louisville, Indy, and Columbus attended.  It was a game day, and they had the Ohio State game on the TV.  The Columbus group was definitely obnoxious during the game.  They were harrassing people wearing UofL or UK stuff about their conferences sucking, they were just in general loud and obnoxious and ruining everyone's time.  I've been around these same people when it's not a game day and they are all pretty cool and reasonable folks.  A friend of mine came to me and said, see, this the kind of fans your team has, and to be honest, the day I was a little embarrassed by the other fans. 

So, I get it.  Do I think it's different than any other program?  Sure, I do.  Do I think it's different than PSU, UK basketball, or Bama fans not really.  I'd argue that the Ohio State fan base isn't just like everyone else, but it's just like the few huge fan bases in the country of very successful programs.  Even some of them, like Nebraska and what I've seen out of Texas fans are more respectful overall. In general though, a fan base of a huge program, blue blood if you will is far different than everyone else's fans.  

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, you'd have to isolate the variable, so to speak, before you can really draw that conclusion.

For example, any fan base is likely to be more obnoxious, harass their neighbors, etc., when they're team is winning on the big stage. Obviously, the "huge fan bases" also tend to win on the big stage more often. This "game day" to which you refer: was it an Ohio State bball game during the 2010-11 season? If so, for much of the season, Ohio State looked like they were headed toward the NCAA championship (doh!).

Whereas fans of struggling programs are probably less likely to talk smack when the scoreboard is likely to make them look silly.

If UofL is beating MSU by 15 pts in the 2H later this week, how polite will UofL fans to be their fellow MSU sportsbar companions? Likewise, how are Cincy fans going to act if they're getting over on Ohio State?

btalbert25's picture

All I can comment on is from personal experience.  I have been in the stands with Louisville fans when they were winning at Rupp and losing at Rupp arena and can tell you their fans were much more respectful either way than those in blue.  Likewise I've been in the stands when U of L kicked a teams ass in the tournament, then turned around and lost the next game to Michigan State and all 3 of the fan bases were pretty polite really.  Throw in kansas since they were in that regional as well, and their fans and MSU fans that were mixed together in Lucas Oil were pretty respectful to eachother.

Overall most fans are very respectful in general, but fan bases such as Ohio State and Kentucky tend to be pretty arrogant, and that comes from success.  It doesn't make fans of other schools more comfortable when getting ripped a new one for wearing their colors though because, well Ohio State is used to winning so that's why they are that way. 

I agree with someone above, Nebraska fans are great.  They have a rich history, they love their team, but they are great fans, and accomodating to other fan bases.  Iowa was awesome.  i went out to Iowa the game where they destroyed the Buckeyes and was treated with nothing but respect.  Sure there was some game day playful hazing, but we had a blast in Iowa City.  Before and after the game.  Granted they aren't a powerhouse program but you don't have to be.  The respect their fans had was great.

btalbert25's picture

Also, the game that I was referring to in my original post was just a regular season football game, that really wasn't a huge game.  Just happened to be on TV at the time this was all going on.

osubuckeye4life's picture

Great article Ramzy and I too found myself reading the drivel of the Cleveland Scene article. 


At times I dislike the hatred towards Buckeye Nation from some people. For instance, how it seems media outlets always point out OSU's short comings. I understand why OSU is in the news so much. It's simply because any OSU scandal or story moves the needle, while TCU players taking drugs doesn't. It's the reality of any large instuation that is both academically and atheletically successful. 

However, other times I relish it, when it's not associated with a scandal. OSU is relevent and people hate Buckeye Nation because our team is too good.

I think any team that either has tons of success and/or a large fan base has rotten apples in the bunch.

Other teams that have rabid fanbases:

Yankees, Red Sox, Red Wings, Penguins, Bulls, Pistons, Cubs, Lakers, Celtics, Cardinals, Cowboys, Bears, Eagles, Phillies, Browns, Steelers, etc

Another thing is troubled people can use a team as basically a gang affilication like some of the socceer "hooligans" outside of the United States.

Some LA gangs previously used the Raiders.

Some examples of bad behavior at sporting events by fans:

The Philadelphia Eagles fans famously threw snowballs at Santa Claus. 

We could easily talk for hours about the exploits of Philadelphia fans. Though I don't believe all Philly fans are crazy.

The infamous Pacers vs Pistons brawl at the Palace the day before the Troy Smith coming out party against TTUN.

Bryan Stow,the SF Giants fan who was attacked by two Dodgers fans after the opening day game last year at Dodger's stadium. 

Two Raiders fan were shot in the parking lot of Candlestick Park after an exibition game in 2011 vs the 49ers.

Some 49ers fans in San Jose attacked some Giants fans after the NFC Championship game this year.

There are several other examples throughout history.

I think a good reason why we don't hear about brawls at the Shoe is the lack of alcohol in the stadium. Alcohol + fans who can't handle it = problems

I'm just happy that I've never heard of brutal attacks by Buckeye fans or other college football fans against opposing fans. 

Does anyone have any stories of brutal attacks at a sporting event they've attended?

Or, is most of jackassary reserved for the after game celebrations in bars, restraunts, the streets, etc?



TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Yankees, Red Sox, Red Wings, Penguins, Bulls, Pistons, Cubs, Lakers, Celtics, Cardinals, Cowboys, Bears, Eagles, Phillies, Browns, Steelers, etc

The difference is, all those teams are professional teams. Many of us in Buckeye Nation have a unique attachment to our team - no matter where we are - that will always engender more passion and love than a pro team could ever hope for: they represent the institution from which we received our degrees. No pro team can ever create an attachment like a major college team can. That's why Beaver Stadium is located literally in the middle of nowhere and can fill all of it's 112,000 seats, yet a playoff bound Bengals team cannot average more than 45,000 per game last year, despite being in a metro area of 2.2 million people.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

They also aren't fining guys in college football, It's the closect thing we have lft to pure unmolested football. The NFL has become so big they are eventually going to dilute the product with all the dumb rules and penalties. It's turning into flag football, you can't hit the QB anymore. I've heard the NFL stands for Nerf Football League.  

College football brings so much more to the table. It's deeper than the scoreboard. It's passion, pride and respect for the teams, the fans, and of course the tradition and pagentry that makes college football amazing. I guess I've spent money on NFL tickets, and felt like I should have stayed home. Regular season college games feel like NFL playoff games. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Regular season college games feel like NFL playoff games.

So true. Every week is intense.

Shameless Anti-playoff Plug: That's because there's no playoff in college football. Let's keep it that way.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

I'm all for the plus one model. Phil Steele has a good write about it. Shows how the top 4 teams would have matched up in the BCS era. A playoff dilutes the regular season. Every game matters, an it needs to stay that way. 

If there are 2 clear cut, undefeated top ranked teams, let them play for the title. If you have 3 teams in the top 4 with a loss, then play it out.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

schooey's picture

WA Huskies fans were nice.