Thursday Skull Session

By Jeremy Birmingham on December 22, 2011 at 6:00a
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Now that the dust has settled a bit after Tuesday's annoucement, I write this for you, my Buckeye friends, hoping that you've all come to terms with the NCAA's decision and are prepared to move forward. Our year (wait, two year, no, three year) nightmare is over. We know what's happening, and what the future holds.

I realize that is not much consolation for those of you who feel the NCAA's hypocrisy is showing through their rulings against Ohio State and USC, while they seemed to "ignore" the Auburn case. Truth is, they had no evidence against Auburn despite all the smoke, and while they lacked evidence against USC as well, they clearly had enough to support their decision. I think that we should hold off on NCAA provoked angst until after the Oregon, North Carolina and Miami cases are finalized and we have seen what sanctions those schools receive. 

As a a Buckeye fan, I think it's a time to be grateful. Despite the surprising bowl ban for 2012, and despite the horrawful, misguided, mega-fail by Gene Smith (who bet his reputation on "precedent" to be followed by an arbitrary organization without any requirement to follow precedent), it could have been worse for Ohio State. 

Many of you are no doubt more frustrated with Gene Smith deciding not to forgo a bowl this year in an attempt to quell the NCAA's hunger for a post-season ban, and that's understandable. The players responsible for this mess will play in a bowl game this year, and got to play in one last year, while John Simon, Nate Williams and more lose out on what could have been a national title run in 2012. 

2012 will still have a lot of meaning, with or without a postseason. Root like crazy for Simon, Stoney and Williams and more to dominate each and every game they play, so that they all end up first round picks in the 2013 draft. Cheer like mad when the Buckeyes dismantle teams every week as our new coach and his band of cohorts teach the B1G that Ohio State will no longer "play nice". Celebrate the incoming talent and know that the "Golden Age" of Buckeye football that we feared would end with the NCAA investigation was merely paused, and know that in 2012 and beyond, Ohio State will be as strong as ever.

Sorry, Bret Bielema, but it's still a good day to be a Buckeye.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS! In most cases, when an NCAA investigation occurs, there is a mad dash by other schools to try and quickly swoop in on the offending school's highly recruited commitments, as we saw in July when Kyle Kalis decommitted from Ohio State, and Se'Von Pittman and Kyle Dodson and others virtually eliminated Ohio State from their thinking. Coaches will say pretty much anything to try and sway a kid from choosing a rival school in a "normal" scenario, and when you add in the possibility of NCAA sanctions, the hyperbole and sensationalism that comes along with it can be too much for a kid to ignore.

Even though most knew that Ohio State's penalties wouldn't be as severe as the national media and Michigan fans were clamoring for over the summer ("death penalty", multi-year bowl bans, TV bans???), that didn't stop schools from spewing venom recently. One B1G assistant coach told a Buckeye recruit that "Urban Meyer is a bad man", hoping to sway him on his school choice. Another commit told me that a lot of schools continued to bad mouth OSU in their pursuit of him. 

In the time since his hiring, Urban Meyer and his nine different coaching staffs have put Ohio State back on the national scene recruiting wise, and Tuesday's announcement could have been a serious blow to the momentum he has created, but it doesn't appear it will have any ramifications with the newest Buckeye commitments.


Se'Von Pittman and Bri'onte Dunn have both stated to Scout.com's Bill Greene that they will not be changing their mind, and Noah Spence and Tommy Schutt have each reaffirmed their commitment to other sources. It would take a virtual destruction of the campus and eradication of Ohio State as a football program for any of the original 12 commitments to look elsewhere, so I think they're all safe. 

In truth, the one year bowl ban should have zero affect on this year's recruiting class and moving forward. The only affect it may have is that Urban Meyer will get more time to focus on recruiting for 2013. Tough break for those who wish to recruit against him. 

SCHOOL'S OUT. With the ringing of yesterday's school bell, most high schools around the country put 2011 to bed and will not be back in session until early 2012. For the Buckeyes, that's a pretty darn good thing. 

Yesterday, the Buckeyes received the news that the recently committed Dunn would in fact be able to get enrolled in January, putting to rest any hopes that Brady Hoke and UM had about a signing day switch. 

Dunn joins fellow 2012 commitments Cardale Jones, Mike Thomas, Tyvis Powell, Jacoby Boren, Josh Perry and Luke Roberts as early enrollees. Steubenville DB Najee Murray was working with his school to enroll early, but was unable to. He hopes to enroll in March. 

For the players who enroll early, they get a huge head start not only on learning the playbook, but also getting acclimated to collegiate classes and college life. It's a tremendous advantage, which I am sure Michigan's AD will complain about. 

Withers will have a different demeanor than Heacock did

 STAFF STARTING TO FILL OUT. As we saw yesterday, the Ohio State defensive coaching staff added it's final two pieces yesterday, with the announcement that North Carolina DC and interim head coach Everett Withers would join Urban's staff, and that Mike Vrabel would be retained

While the rumors about Withers have been around a while now and his hiring is not a surprise, the retention of Vrabel is in fact interesting. Over the past few weeks, Mike has been on the recruiting war-path, attempting to "prove himself" to Meyer. Urban's assistant coaches don't always last long under his watch because of the amount of pressure he puts on those who work under him, and he was worried that the Vrab-bro might not have the "fire in the belly" that a non-millionaire, former NFL player might. 

Apparently Meyer was satisfied with the work ethic and drive that Vrabel displayed, and coupled with the recommendation of Bill Belichick, he decided that Vrabel would be worth a spot on what he expects to be the "nation's best coaching staff." 

 BIG WILLIE STYLE. Jared Sullinger is a consensus All-American and a favorite to win Player of the Year nationally. Aaron Craft is the dreamiest dream boat since dreams boats were dreamed, and a hustle-machine that has won the hearts of people all over the country. Deshaun Thomas has turned into a good-shot-taking scoring machine. 

William Buford, the senior from Toledo, continues to draw the ire of Buckeye fans with what many deem as "inconsistent" play. People argue that Buford doesn't seem to be involved for a full 40 minutes, especially against the lower-level opponents that Ohio State has played, but the numbers don't support that debate. Yes, he struggled mightily against Texas Pan-American, shooting 1-7 from the floor, finishing with only 2 points; and yes he struggled in the first half against Kansas, where he matched the shooting numbers he recorded against UTPA. On Tuesday night against Lamar he only went for 7, on a night when the entire team (and crowd) seemed to be sleepwalking.

With his first assist in tonight's game against Miami of Ohio, Buford will become only the fourth Buckeye in the program's history to have 1,500 points, 500 rebounds and 300 assists in his career. 

Buford has scored 20 or more points five times this year, including leading the team in scoring in all three of their contests against ranked opponents (Florida, Duke and Kansas), and he leads the team in minutes per game for the season. 

He continues to move his way up the Ohio State record books, but most people don't seem to notice it, here's hoping that he will get some well-deserved respect from Buckeye fans sometime before this season is over.

FICKELL STAYING STEADY. It appears that Wisconsin offensive coordinator Paul Chryst has taken the head coaching job at the University of Pittsburgh, vacated last week by Todd Graham, who screwed over Pitt and his players by bolting for Arizona State after a less than a year at the helm. Chryst was one of three candidates rumored to have been interviewed by the Panthers, with Ohio State's Luke Fickell and FIU's Mario Cristobal being the other two.

The news that Chryst will be taking the job is a win/win for Buckeye fans, as he has been a major factor at Wisconsin in this century; but also obviously because Fickell will be remaining in Columbus. There were reports that Luke was offered a 5 year, 10 million dollar deal by Pittsburgh, and if that's true and he turned it down he skyrockets up the list of "most Buckeye dudes ever."

QUICK SLANTS. Coastal Carolina's new head coach is a baller... tried not think this was funny, but I laughed anyway... in a year full of horrible sports news, this should be getting more publicity... the full video of Bobby's special "Knight" in Columbus... Well, Microsoft, your next move? Also, this really excites me (watch the trailer!!), but I am a nerd, so what?

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Before clicking on the "nerd link" my guess is hobbit?

Kennywayne34's picture

"Aaron Craft is the dreamiest dream boat since dreams boats were dreamed, and a hustle-machine that has won the hearts of people all over the country"

  oh my my

 

                                            

 

LadyBuck's picture

That line made me laugh.

Denny's picture

Really, really excited to see Legrand gaining more mobility. 

Taquitos.

Maestro's picture

Second that.  Keep your spirits up Eric.

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awwwwwwop's picture

Another great story: http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/la_tech_...

La Tech's players donated their bowl gifts to Make a Wish kids.  Awesome move.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

AcrossTheField11's picture

After a pretty awful year for college sports, his recovery is surely one of the bright spots.  Awesome story to follow.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

throttlefinger's picture

Buford has been inconsistent yet I don't think anyone wants him off the court or reduce his playing time. He is a valued member. Yet, his play, especially some of his offensive and defense decisions, is not consistent or reflect a play of a senior (where Sullinger and Craft play does). Thomas has stepped into the "Buford" role, the X factor we need to play big in order to beat the elite teams and get into the final dance. There's no doubt that his numbers speak to how much he's given to this program and this team. Just don't think he's the #2 scoring option on the court anymore. 

Breakawayspeed's picture

He's in too much of a hurry and is jacking up his shot before he gets square to the basket.

Those short runners he puts up are way off the mark and he should quit shooting them but he dosen't.  He was a big reason for the loss to Kentucky last year and he makes me nervous for this year.  He should be coming off the bench until he gets his game together.

Barney's picture

Great call coach.  Let's bring the senior captain in off the bench.

Set your gearshift for the high gear of your soul!

Breakawayspeed's picture

which I would prefer to a loss in the sweet 16

Squirrel Master's picture

Buford is too talented to put on the bench and really who would replace him at the 3? Thompson is not big enough and Weatherspoon needs polishing. Ross isn't ready so who else could fit his role.

but I do agree that he needs to slow it down a bit and stop trying those 10' dead stop jumpers. sometimes he is on with those but when he is off he needs to recognize it and adjust. He really is good and works real well coming off baseline screens from Sully. got to have him on the floor. not to mention he gets a decent amount of assists and rebounds.

what I do like is Lenzelle Smith junior. Guy is struggling shooting the ball but man he gets in there for offensive rebounds and on D. Love it!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

buckeyedude's picture

After that missed shot against Kensucky, he seems to have become the Ryan Hamby of OSU basketball.  I was pissed too. I always support my fellow Toleodoans, but finding it increasingly difficult to defend Buford. I don't think Matta benches him, but if he isn't more consistant, should see less and less time on the court, IMO.

 

 

Abe Froman's picture

I wonder who did the voice over for the Triceratops?

I wonder if Urban will rock a windbreaker when it is 30 F out?

These are the things I think about over coffee.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Abe Froman's picture

I hope that a John Simon jersey is available this year.  That is one of the few things that fans like me can do to show support for the new seniors getting screwed.  Those guys should play like someone owes them money...

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

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Doc's picture

I'm sorry for the Derpyness of this post, but could someone please explain to me the NCAA "Death Penalty"?

 

Thanks,

Doc

"Say my name."

slippy's picture

Death Penalty is what they did to SMU back in the 80's.  No more football (probably for x number of years).  Most say they'll never do it again because it will completely ruin a program probably forever.

 

Think about OSU.  If we lost football we'd probably lose other sports.  But then think about when it comes back.  Urban Meyer (or someone anywhere close to his caliber) is not going to be the coach.  You're going to have to fill 85 roster spots in one year?  Even if they let us take in 40 freshmen...that's still 40 freshmen.  Then maybe we get 15 JUCO transfers and 15 transfers from other schools.  Still not even a full team.  At the very least it'll be 4 years to recover just to have a full roster of scholarship players.  But chances are there's no 4 or 5 stars in that bunch.

Doc's picture

Thanks Slippy.  I'm sure eSECpn is pissed we still have a team.  Without football the athletic department may as well close up.  No way we could support the 26 varsity sports without foosballs $$$.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

ESPN wouldn't support the death penalty for Ohio State because they profit off of Ohio State.  Bear with me here, but it's my opinion that ESPN actually loves Ohio State.  They get great ratings numbers on games where Ohio State is televised on their networks.  Ohio State fans flock to the website and give them a ton of webhits after a negative piece is written or one of the "talent" at the network spouts off something ridiculous. Ohio State football is very good for ESPN's business and they know that.  People like Herbie can be disappointed with the sanctions or pretend to be outraged, but ESPN would never support a TV ban or death penalty.

Squirrel Master's picture

I am sure the network itself loves Ohio State. I think all references are more so to the commentators. Mark Mays slurps the SEC and his Pitt team constantly. He always is anti BigTen. Jesse "I can't speak without a teleprompter" Palmer is soooo SEC. He might actually talk about OSU now that Meyer is there but he is another one that talks badly about bigten. Just seems the commentators they choose at ESecPN wants the bigten to fail constantly.

screw Mark Mays! He will be eating his words and riding our bandwagon! you will see. It will all be for OSU now that meyer is there. Wish we could tell them to stay off the bandwagon cuz there is no room for them!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

GoBucks713's picture

Jesse Palmer is Canadian. 'Nuff said.

-The Aristocrats!

btalbert25's picture

To me, they are playing the role that most 24 hour news networks do.  They take a stand where they do nothing but praise  one group of passionate folks, bash another group of passionate folks and reap the benefits of the ratings that follow. 

Do I believe Herbie is so critical of Ohio State?  Absolutely not, but he's playing the role his job requires him to.  Much like some of the personalities on other news networks.  Guys like Palmer may be all SEC, but he played there.  Some may have a bias a certain way, but I don't believe for a minute they all believe the BS they spout.

buckeyedude's picture

Herbstriet was "disappointed?" Was he disappointed that the sanctions weren't worse or he thought they were too harsh? Has anybody heard his opinion? Just curious.

 

 

Scott's picture

Kirk was a dick about it yesterday. He was on The Herd and said that there should be a parade in Columbus since the Buckeyes were treated so nicely. When it was clarified that we'll lose nine scholarships over three years, he gave an exaggerated laugh, implying that the punishment we received was a joke.

I normally like him, but sometimes his attempts to be the anti-homer are over the top.

Class of 2008

Doc's picture

Kirk is a doucher.

"Say my name."

Menexenus's picture

In the same interview, Herbie went out of his way to make the point that JT was a great coach and was not a cheater (even in the face of Cowherd's ridicule).  So that interview was a mixed bag, as far as I was concerned.  I actually came away from it liking Herbie more than I did going in (despite his complete ignorance of the situation he was being interviewed about).

Real fans stay for Carmen.

BuckNut1070's picture

As "THE BUCKEYE NATION"...we need to circle the wagons around our University, and our Football Team. Let them knoww that their decisions to stay with us is everything to us fans!! They have committed to the best...and most loyal fan base in all of College Football.  We will ultimately be better for this situation!! "PRESS ON BUCKEYES...PREES ON." 

 
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BrewstersMillions's picture

Urban Meyer is a bad man? "You g-d damned right he is! He'll show everyone just how bad he is in a few months.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

O - H - I - O's picture

+1000

"Because I couldn't go for three"

Maestro's picture

Love it.  

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TBDBITLinWIScantSON's picture

If he ever loses his wallet, it'll be easy to tell which one is his- "it's the one that says b.a.m-f.."

WB

Irricoir's picture

Jeremy geeks and nerds are different. I would characterize geeks as folks with eccentric tastes in the minority, be it fantasy, role play, Sci-fi, you know things that require a lot of imagination. Even though they have these intrinsic qualities they still possess the outward ability to interact with the "outside world" or those that differ from them, to some extent.

Nerds, on the other hand, typically possess great intelligence and are often self absorbed. They have the ability interact with each other but often look down on the "outside world" due to their feeling of intellectual superiority. I think the majority are less into fantasy but more into Science Fiction.

These are just my observations and in no way shape or form some accredited source's defining words. So I see you more of a geek for having interest in the Hobbit. Welcome to my inner circle lol.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

kinda goes a lil' something like this

Still don't know how to inbed a video

Irricoir's picture

Bahaha that was awesome! I was that way with Smallville. I missed the geek boat by probably 5 years and had a lot of catching up to do. Before that, I had never given a TV series much attention. I was always too busy with the Job and the gym and video game addictions that I never took time to watch TV unless the Scarlet and Grey were on. Well, after Smallville came Heroes and Supernatural (To a small degree). I might have to try Battlestar Galactica, then again, if there are multiple seasons, I better abstain!

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

If you haven't yet, must watch Firefly before you watch Serenity. BSG hit home for me being a Marine and my love for the military. My geek expertise is in comic books, though I read a ton, LoTR, SoIaF, etc and enjoy some tv and film from time to time.

NC_Buckeye's picture

I also recommend Firefly and Serenity. I'm a history nerd. What hooked me is that Joss Whedon came up with the whole Browncoat theme after reading "The Killer Angels" (itself a great book about the Battle of Gettysburg).

Think what if the Civil War had happened in space. Then what would the losers (the Browncoats) do with themselves -- not wanting to participate in the society/government (the Alliance) that defeated them. That's how Captain Malcolm Reynolds and crew acquire their Firefly-class spaceship and become smugglers.

That description does not do the show justice BTW.

/So does this comment make me a geek or a nerd?

BuckeyeSki's picture

Your signature line at the bottom combined with this post makes you both

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NC_Buckeye's picture

Confirmed. FML

Oh well, back to the basement. Time for a new sig.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

No, no, no! Take pride!

shadedred's picture

Firefly and Serenity are awesome. I owned them on DVD but had to get them on Blu-Ray. I think that Serenity was one of the only movies to be made after the original TV series was canceled. Now I will probably stay up late watching Serenity tonight. Then maybe the 2002 NCG.

Scott's picture

New Rule: Calling Urban Meyer a "bad man" can only be said in your best Muhammad Ali voice.

Class of 2008

RBuck's picture

"I'm a baaad man". I think he was still Cassius then.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

RBuck's picture

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

themostbrian's picture

I know you know this, Jeremy.

 

But I'll say it anyway: It's Cardale, not Cordale.

Maestro's picture

and tremendous not tremendoud............wink.

vacuuming sucks

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

You know, I had it spelld "Cardale" and then I double checked on his facebook page, and it's spelled Cordale. It's all very confusing.

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

His Twitter says "Cardale", his facebook says "Cordale" - it's like he doesn't even know how it's spelled.

Irricoir's picture

I have envountered that before, many times. Never before was it from someone I'd care to meet again. Mr. Jones is the first though, right? I hear great things about him.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Just talked to him - it's Cardale like I had initially thought.  

 

#ThingsWeLearnedToday

Maestro's picture

go to the source, well done

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Denny's picture

Mr. Jones?

Taquitos.

BuckeyeSki's picture

Well Played Sir

/needs moar 90's grunge dreads

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baddogmaine's picture

Let's get this straight. Gene Smith is running one of the biggest sports departments in college athletics, and the engine that drives his ship is football. Though football is not his only priority and in the course of a year it might take only a fraction of his time, but the importance of OSU football is such that if the football program is not well-captained the entire university suffers. And in this perspective Smith was insisting to the world that there was no risk of a bowl ban, and so there was no need for us to have given up a bowl for a 6-6 team populated with half a dozen players who put us in this bad situation in the first place. Based on the facts it was by no means certain that a bowl ban would come, but it was also by no means certain that a bowl ban would not come, and looking at the big picture the risk of a ban was high enough that it had to be taken seriously. If I, a 57 year old dude in Maine who never played the game could see it as a serious possibility Smith sure as heck should have been able to. As I see it either Smith was grossly incompetent or grossly arrogant in refusing to accept that the 2012 team might have to sit out the postseason if the 2011 team were not made to. It doesn't matter which term fits, either way he is clearly not fit for his job.

Were this his first blunder he might be enttled to a free pass on this one. But OSU was already on probation for actions on his watch (they were on his watch, weren't they?); he knew that players were saying they had not been well-trained in compliance; and then apparently provided so little new training that new violations occurred. Violations that have now resulted in real, measurable sanctions. The most serious of which (the bowl ban, which costs dollars, extra practices and prestige) Andy Staples of SI says would have been avoided with a self-imposed ban this year, and while we will never know whether that is true or not I think Andy is right, and I also think that the cost of trying it was small change compared to what we would gain if it was right.

During the Tressell saga plenty of folks argued that he should be retained. I disagreed, strongly, but at least there were arguments that could be made on his behalf. What arguments are their for keeping Smith? What skills does he bring to his job that outweigh  what he has allowed to happen to OSU athletics?

Breakawayspeed's picture

You make a very strong case and it's hard to believe this guy still has a job.  Gee must be sleeping with his wife...

Doc's picture

Thanks for that visual, NOT!

"Say my name."

BuckeyeSki's picture

That Hobbit trailer gave me Elijah Wood

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Squirrel Master's picture

keep it up and it could Orlando Bloom into love!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Only if your Peter Jackson is not premature....

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

AcrossTheField11's picture

looks like Earle's grandson is the new WR coach.

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122211aab.html

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Mike's picture

Buford reminds me a lot of Jamar Butler...both with solid careers and record book type numbers.  Yet at no point do I trust Buford (just like with Butler) to take the big shot in the big game...and it seems that his shot selection often causes more harm than good. 

Luckily, WB's career has some valuable time left...here's to hoping I'm wrong!

buckeyeEddie27's picture

Wow, just read jim litke's "article" on yahoo.    They pay this guy?   What a hack! 

I've been called things like a "homer" or said to be looking through "scarlet tinted glasses" ect. when I have said that there is a present, wide-spread, professionaly accepted & (yahoo and EsecPN encouraged) hatred of tOSU.  This piece of filth does nothing but reinforce and justify my feelings. 

It's to the point now where I can't even read the vomit laden piles of stinking excrement yahoo sports and co. smear on my screen. 

EsecPN doesnt have a website as far as I'm concerned.

 I really dont know why I torture my self like this but every-so-often I creep into the cesspool of yahoo sports just to see what the other side is saying about us.  Livid only half way through the gelatinous dung heap i have dimwittedly selected to examine I swear I will never go back.  The shameful part is I thought I might find something else..... but inevtiably the same familiar odious and vile film accumulates on my screen.   AAHHHHHHH!!!

......i feel better now.   back to 11W where $h!t makes sense.

       

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

explorer2's picture

The penalties were dead wrong by the NCAA.  In order for a lesson to be learned it must not be repeated.  The bowl ban punishes the players that did not cause the problem.  In order to pushish our school for the TAT players and the illegal money players that forced a coach to lie and field a team of ineligible players they should have added the number of players multiplied it by 3 and then reduced the scholarships by that amount over 3 years.  Then maybe the football program will then learn it's lesson.

baddogmaine's picture

The penalties in these situations are almost wrong, when measured by who they affect compared with who did the deeds. The points are that a) the penalties are not dead wrong, it was known that a bowl ban could happen and on the facts a bowl ban was not out of the question, and b) the pain is felt most seriously and lastingly by the university ultimately responsible. Ohio State caused this by blindly permitting it to happen. Most players will let it slide because they bleed scarlet and grey. Those POed enough will transfer. Or not enroll. These things can really hurt a program. A school that doesn't want to get hurt in this way takes more serious steps to not let the causes haopen. At least that is the NCAA's thinking, and it's hard to argue that they're wrong.

Bucksfan's picture

I'm p*ssed about the penalty.  I don't think it's fair at all.  But I also understand why other people might not think it's harsh enough.  Playing ineligible players for a competitive advantage, no matter the infraction, is just as bad as using sterioids.  It's cheating.  Period.  Ohio State, with valuable players Pryor, Adams, Herron, and Posey annihilated teams in 2010.  Had they beaten Wisconsin (still no reason to have ever lost that game, Bollman you dipshit!) then they would have gone on to the national title game and probably would have crushed Auburn or Oregon.  Then this all would look even WORSE.

I also think the college athletics system is set up to foster transgressional behavior more than it deters it.  And I think the arbitrary NCAA rules of amaturism are evil, for lack of a better term.  But rules are rules.  In the classroom you're not allowed to plagarize, you're not allowed to open your book during a closed book exam, you're not allowed to date your professors, you're not allowed to do a lot of things that would give you an unfair competitive advantage.  You get caught doing any of those things, you will lose scholarships, have your grades for that class vacated (rather averaged in as a zero), get put on probation, and if it's a repeated offense you can get kicked out of school altogether.

Cheating simply doesn't prosper.  Let's just hope this cr*p can STOP at Ohio State.