Buckeyes Getting Used To It

By Jeremy Birmingham on November 12, 2011 at 6:13p
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Two years ago in West Lafayette, Indiana, the Purdue Boilermakers inexplicably laid waste to a lethargic, uninspired and disinterested Buckeye football team in front of a lethargic, uninspired and disinterested crowd. As the clock ran out on the Buckeyes comeback attempt that Saturday, Purdue's 'stache in charge made what appeared to be a ill-timed, poke-the-bear-type comment.

"Get used to it."

Jim Tressel remembered that comment as Purdue made their return trip Columbus last year, uncharacteristically dismantling an opponent with 42 first half points before taking the foot off the throttle. The Buckeyes held on for a shutout victory, and Tressel it seemed, got his point across.

Judging by this afternoon's lethargic, uninspired and disinterested Buckeye performance, it appears that Luke Fickell was not made aware of this grudge in his all-too-quick transition from assistant defensive coordinator to head coach.

As they have a number of times this year, the Buckeyes looked inadequately prepared for a football game against a marginal, nay, mediocre opponent. For the second straight week, they allowed a middle-of-the-road Big Ten team to jump out to a ten point first quarter lead, but this time, without the urging of the home crowd behind them, the Buckeyes were not able to complete the comeback, despite Braxton Miller's late-game heroics. 

The Buckeyes scored what looked to be a go-ahead touchdown with :55 remaining in the fourth quarter, but a blocked extra point would push the game into overtime. The Buckeyes scored first in the extra period, but Robert Marve led Purdue to a real game-winning touchdown 8 plays later, and the Buckeyes fell to the Boilers, 26-23 in overtime, likely finishing any chances Ohio State had of sneaking into the Big Ten championship game. 

In my experience watching football, any time your opening kick-off return involves a football bouncing off of your returners facemask, you should be wary that perhaps today might not be your best day, and that old adage (ok, so maybe it's not an old adage, but maybe it should be?) held true once again. Carlos Hyde, back in the return game for the first time this year, took one off the face on Carson Wigg's opening boot, and the Buckeyes were underway on an unseasonably warm Saturday in Indiana.

The Buckeyes offense, one of the nation's most unpredictable and balanced, tried to catch Purdue napping by running the ball right up the middle on their first two plays of the game with Boom Herron handling both carries. On Braxton Miller's first pass of the game he overthrew T.Y. Williams badly, but it almost ended with Jake Stoneburner making a circus catch that would have extended the first drive of the game for the Bucks.

Almost. Would have. Didn't. That would be a recurring theme for Ohio State.

Following a poor punt by Ben Buchanan, Purdue took over at their own 41 yard line, and they quickly took advantage of the excellent field position. Ralph Bolden went 22 yards off tackle on the Boilers first play from scrimmage, moving Purdue to the Ohio State 37. After three more plus plays, Purdue was in a 2nd and 2 from the Ohio State 18, and Caleb Terbush founds Gary Bush for 14 yards, putting the Boilermakers in a goal-to-go situation at the Buckeye four. Ohio State bowed their backs and was able to limit Purdue to a Wiggs field goal, thanks in part to a big stop by Bradley Roby on third-and-goal.

Following an almost hilariously ineffective three and out that saw the Buckeyes lose two yards, Ohio State once again punted into the wind deep from their own territory, and once again Purdue started at their own 40 yard line.

Purdue's second offensive series started off where their first left off, Bolden gashed the Buckeyes for 11 yards on the first play. Terbush would lead the charge the rest of the way, hitting on four of five passes for 43 yards, marching the Boilers down the field by beating the Buckeyes on the edges in both the running and passing game. Akeem Shavers went untouched on a four yard touchdown run with 4:09 left in the first quarter, and the Buckeyes were officially in big trouble in litte China.

Trailing 10-0, it was time for Ohio State to open up the offense, right? Ha. No. Another three and out, and Purdue was back on the attack looking to increase their lead to three scores. The Buckeyes defense seemed to wake up a bit, finally getting a stop and forcing a Cody Webster 19 yard punt to the Ohio State 32.


  Cmp/Att Pct Yds TD Int Rat
Miller 8/18 44.4 132 2 0 142.7


  Att Yds Avg Lng TD Fum
Herron 20 67 3.4 21 0 0
Miller 16 43 2.7 17 1 0
Hall 8 43 5.4 25 0 0
Hyde 4 12 3.0 10 0 0


  Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Fum
Hall 3 58 19.3 38 2 0
Williams 2 28 14.0 15 0 0
Herron 1 20 20.0 20 0 0
Smith 1 14 14.0 14 0 0
Spencer 1 12 12.0 12 0 0

After an incomplete pass to Evan Spencer, Miller found Boom Herron for a 20 yard completion, and simultaneously Ohio State had its first completion, first first down, and had engineered their first scoring threat. A few plays later, the Buckeyes drive appeared to be fizzling when Braxton Miller added another highlight to his resume, this time finding Jordan Hall sneaking out of the backfield and delivering a beautiful touch pass in the face of a Purdue blitz, and Hall did the rest, snaking his way down the field for a 38 yard touchdown. Braxton and the Buckeyes were back in it.

On the next Purdue series, the silver bullets missed out on what would be the first of a handful of potential Purdue mishaps, failing to recover a Justin Siller fumble following a five yard completion at the Purdue 36. Bradley Roby forced the fumble, but Siller was able to fall on it. The drive stalled for Purdue and a punt gave the Buckeyes the ball back with good field position at their own 37.

The Buckeyes could not take hold of the swinging momentum, however, as freshman Antonio Underwood, who struggled mightily in his first start for the injured JB Shugarts, got beat by Purdue's Kawann Short for a sack on the first play of the series. Ohio State was unable to move the ball, and punted it back to the Boilers, who took over on their own 12 with 8:42 remaining in the half.

Ohio State's defense struggled last week preventing Indiana from capitalizing on third down (the Hoosiers were 10 of 17) and that trend continued to haunt the Buckeyes. Led by Miami transfer Robert Marve, who entered the game to revitalize the now slowing Purdue offense, Purdue converted consecutive third downs to move the ball out to near midfield. After a holding penalty put Purdue into a 1st and 18 at their own 41, Ohio State's Jonathan Hankins was called for a questionable roughing the passer penalty that put Purdue back in business.

Now at the Buckeyes' 44, Marve completed back-to-back passes for 37 yards (aided by some atrocious 'tackling' by Ohio State) before Ralph Bolden went seven yards for a touchdown, putting Purdue up 17-7 with 3:19 left in the first half.  Ohio State would get a chance to make it a one score game headed into the intermission, but Drew Basil, who had made 12 straight FGs, missed a 50 yarder attempt as time expired.

Purdue outgained Ohio State 242 to 97 in the first half, and limited the Buckeye offense to 4 first downs in the first stanza, while picking up 15 of their own.

Ohio State's defense turned up their pressure to start the second half, forcing a three and out on Purdue's first drive, and the Buckeyes, trailing 17-7, would take over in great field position at their own 42. For the third straight week, Ohio State opened the second half with a big, potentially game-changing run, this time it was Jordan Hall, taking a direct snap 25 yards and moving the Buckeyes to the Purdue 33. After another Hall carry, Ohio State turned to Carlos Hyde, who picked up ten yards on his first carry, the Buckeyes were at the Purdue 19 and momentum once again had seemingly turned towards the Bucks.

Two plays of zero gain left the Buckeyes facing a vital 3rd and 10, and as they have so regularly in the past few weeks, Ohio State turned to their freshman QB, and Miller did not disappoint. He picked up 14 yards to put the Buckeyes at the five, and two plays later took an errant snap from Mike Brewster, starting his 46th career game at Ohio State, into the endzone to make it 17-14, Purdue.

That's when 'ish got real.

The teams traded punts for the next four series, but eventually the field had tilted to Purdue's advantage, starting a key fourth quarter drive at the Ohio State 45 yard line. Ohio State would sitffen defensively, but a Carson Wigg 44 yard field goal with 13:06 left pushed the lead to 20-14.

Ohio State took the ball back, and with Braxton Miller vomiting on the sideline, looked to make Purdue fans equally sick by marching down the field for a winning score. The Buckeyes appeared to be on their way to doing just that, advancing to the Purdue 39 before Chris Fields committed his weekly penalty, this time a drive-killing false start, and Ohio State punted it back to Purdue with 7:50 remaining, still trailing by six.

Purdue played it safe from there; a bubble screen for five yards, a one yard dive and then another bubble screen that would have yielded a key first down if not for a Herculean effort by Bradley Roby, who once again stood out for the Buckeyes, this time fighting off a block (and a blatant hold) to get to OJ Ross, forcing him out of bounds and forcing a Purdue punt. Cody Webster, who had struggled big time all game, finally uncorked one, driving a 51 yarder that put the Buckeyes, down 6, at their 34 with 6:15 remaining.

The Buckeyes running game, which had been stifled by the Boilermaker defense all afternoon, finally saw a burst of energy. Herron took the first carry 21 yards, and the Buckeyes were in business. The next play, Braxton Miller found Spencer for 12, and just like that, Ohio State was sitting on first and ten at the Purdue 30. Three straight runs down to the 20, and it was first and ten again. Jordan Hall went off-tackle for 8 yards to the 12, and then Herron went off tackle for seven to the five yard line, but another untimely Buckeye penalty, this time for illegal formation, negated the run and set Ohio State back to the 17. On 2nd and 7, Braxton was tackled for a loss, and just like that, a decisive 3rd and 8 stood between the Buckeyes and a potential come-from-behind victory.

Once again, Ohio State turned their hopes to the freshman star-in-the-making, and Braxton turned the 3rd and 8 into a manageable 4th and 3, with a little more than a minute remaining.

On fourth down, trailing 20-14, Miller took the snap and was immediately under pressure, scrambling in the backfield, hurdling his own downed center, and as he fell backwards threw what looked to be another prayer-answering Buckeye touchdown, finding a leaping Jordan Hall in the endzone 13 yards away, sending the Purdue crowd into a stunned silence. Just like that, Ohio State, who had struggled to do anything offensively all game long, would be up 21-20 with :55 remaining.

Except for one little thing, that danged extra point.

The B-Rax couldn't defend the Buckeyes from Bolzilla

Drew Basil's extra point try was blocked, as Purdue's Bruce Gaston knifed through the Buckeye offensive front, sending the ball into the cross-bar, and just like that, overtime seemed to be a certainty. Right?

Well, as we have learned this season watching Ohio State, nothing is for sure. A questionable squib kick gave Purdue terrific field position, starting at their own 39 yard line. A quick strike from Marve to Bolden moved Purdue to the Buckeye 46, only a few yards outside of Wigg's field goal range on a normal day, and maybe in his range on a day with a strong, sustained wind. Ohio State called a timeout to gather their thoughts, and Danny Hope's mustache-fueled bravado decided he would not be content with a long field goal try. Instead, Marve went deep, looking for the big play, but instead found Ohio State's Orhian Johnson who would pick it off before falling out of bounds inside the 20, and the Buckeyes had played themselves into the 7th overtime game in school history.

In OT, the Boilermakers won the coin toss, and elected to put the Buckeyes offense, which had now started to find a bit of cohesiveness, or so it seemed, on the field first. Boom Herron lost a yard on his first carry of the extra period, followed by Miller taking an ill-advised sack, and it was 3rd and 16 for Ohio State from the 31. On third down, Miller once again used his feet to elude pressure, throwing a strike to T.Y Williams for 15 yards, a yard short of a vital first down. Drew Basil connected a 33 yard field goal and the Buckeyes had taken their first lead of the day, 23-20.

On Purdue's first OT possession, the Buckeyes once again were bitten by their inability to come up with stops on third down. On 3rd and 4 from the Buckeye 19, Marve plowed through Buckeye defenders, fighting for extra yards and collecting them, getting a first down at the Buckeye 13. After Justin Siller lost five yards on a screen on 2nd and 7, Ohio State once again had an opportunity to put Purdue into a field goal situation, forcing at worst another overtime period, but once again were unable to get any pressure on the quarterback, and Marve found Gary Bush on a crossing pattern in front of CJ Barnett and Christian Bryant. Bush went out of bounds at the one yard line, and Marve snuck it in behind the left guard on the next play, giving Purdue the 26-23 OT win.

BUckeye notes

With the loss, Ohio State falls to 5-2 all-time in overtime games, and more importantly falls to 6-4 on the season heading into next week's senior day game against Penn State.

Ohio State is now 12-8 all-time, and have lost four of the last six in West Lafayette,or the "little town of horrors", as it will from this point be known.

Herron ran for 67 yards, and the Buckeyes fell to 21-2 in games where has run for more than 55 yards.

Ryan Shazier, seeing his most extensive playing time, recorded 7 tackles with 1 TFL and a forced fumble.


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original buckeye's picture

See you later, Luke. Your team has worlds more talent than Indiana and Purdue combined, but you almost lose to IU at home and you lose to an absolutely pathetic a purdue team. See you later. Thanks to you and Bollman for a horrible season.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Crap performances all around. Few shining moments sprinkled in. I thought for sure Bizarro Buckeyes left after the first half, but no. Not all is lost. We can still beat Penn State and Michigan.

BTW Horney Frogs were about to score on what appears to be oompa loompas.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Maybe since Boise lost their title shot we can get Petersen. I can dream.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

slippy's picture

Why would you want Peterson?  His teams are very undisciplined, and he runs a gimmick offense that would never work playing legitimate defenses 5 or 6 times per year.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Agreed. Boise is a fabrication of ESPN. Now is what matters. Now, Boise has failed to take care of business for the second year, in a row. That victory over a bored Sooner team is a distant memory.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Boise has been one of the most consistant teams in the country. they take no name players and beat good teams with them. They've proven on the field what they can do. Meyer runs a gimmick offense. Tim Tebow.... need I say more. I don't think Braxton is built like a fullback.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

slippy's picture

They've proven on the field what they can do against the 8th best conference in the country, and maybe one or two good teams a year.  They take 2 and 3 star players and beat no name players.


Yes you do need to say more.  Chris Leak played 90% of the snaps when Meyer won his first (of 2 in a 3 year span) championship.  Also Alex Smith went undefeated.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

They are starting to put kids into the NFL.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Why didn't Boise State, publicly, lobby the Big XII for admission? Probably, because it knows its formula for success won't work in a regular season against opponents like, TX, OK, OK ST, KSU and now, TCU. 

Boise is being insincere. Those advocating for Boise have been hoodwinked by ESPN.

slippy's picture

Shazier looked great.  He was the first one to Marve on that 3rd down run in OT and tried to lay him out instead of wrapping up, however.


Ty Moeller - what the hell?  I've been saying for years there is no reason to be excited about this kid.  Just because he makes one play a game doesn't mean it makes up for the missed tackles and just being out of position and/or too unathletic.


Our first two first down plays of the game (and probably more) we had a covered TE.  Why the hell do we do this?  He obviously can't go for a pass and we've run out of those formations every single time.  Where was the pistol from the Wisconsin game?  Where was anything that wasn't Dave on first down?


Also, I really like Braxton.  Why can't he throw spirals in games?  Any QBs or QB coaches out there?  Is it mechanics?  Is it nerves?

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

Disagree about Moeller as far as the past is concerned, anyway. Moeller was flying around the field until he was sidelined with that injury last year, easily one of the most notable playmakers, and you always knew when he was on the field. There was great potential there. But his injuries have clearly demolished that potential that we saw in him. He's a ghost out there; a ghost that badly misses tackles.

onetwentyeight's picture

Why are you asking when OSU has its very own QB coach? 




... oh wait 




Buckeyejason's picture

And to make things worse Michigan is dominating illinois


costinjr's picture

It would be absolutely awful if Braxton wasn't able to be developed as a QB, he needs a coach. With his inate ability to "will" a drive down field and score when needed, he could be terrifying if he gets good coaching and development, but with Tress not there to coach up the QB's and the duties relegated to a VCR repairman than it would be terrible if all that talent goes to waste.


Shazier played great, and was all over the field, he's about to be a star.

Poe McKnoe's picture

PDBuckeyes Doug Lesmerises

Asked Jim Bollman why Buckeyes don't throw more short/midrange passes. Said those require precision. Implication is OSU not very precise

Holy shit, Jim Bollman is the antichrist.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

OK, well, how are we supposed to get that precision without ever trying to run the plays? I know a lot of people are down on Miller's throwing right now, but there's a reason bombs are usually referred to as low-percentage passes. Not to mention that it's illogical to believe that it's easier to throw a pass precisely for 40 yards than it is to throw for 10.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

onetwentyeight's picture

Short/midrange passes - require precision

Long passes - require lots of precision. 

So since Walrus dialed up all those Bauser-bombs... Implication is that he thinks The Baus is precise. (but GOD FORBID Braxton throws a screen pass) 



Bucksfan's picture

Fickell was well-aware of the issues playing at West Lafayette...he said so all week.  Not getting off the bus for this game is inexcusable.  Purdue didn't even have home-field advantage by the looks of it.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Let's everyone take a big ol pill of chill. Each loss the same song gets sung and its one of gloom and doom. Coming into this season, we knew this was going to be a battle every week. NO ONE replaces %90 of their offense without some hiccups. But Ohio State Fans, take heart. This team is going to be a buzzsaw in 1, 2, and 3 years. They are loaded with talent. Guys who should be learning from the bench are learning on the job right now and it only makes us better. Miller, Guapo, Williams, Shazier, Hank, Roby, and Bryant have all made strides this year (or this week in the case of TY). This wasn't the Buckeyes year. We can say "Oh well we dont rebuild". Well yes we do. JT had to do it, so does this version of OSU. We need to watch for growth. Beat PSU, get a win over UM and take pride in an 8-4 season. This wasn't a championship team but they will be. Lets make sure we all know the sky isn't falling. OSU is a few months away from settling this NCAA mess for better or worse, removing the Bolrus from calling plays and we will know who our head coach is one way or the other.

This is but a speed bump brothers and sisters. Fear not, this team will be dominating again sooner than later. Our 'rebuilds' last 1 year. Not many other schools can say that.

ih8rolltyde's picture


Always better to be a Buckeye than anything else.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

mr.green's picture

Well said Brewster. Make an extra point and most of these messages would not be here. Miss it and all of a sudden no one was prepared. 

chitown buckeye's picture

Miss or make the extra point, we were unprepared. Sluggish against Indiana and a one point victory against Purdue isnt exactly playing to our full potential. IMO

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Arkansas Buckeye's picture

Rubuilding or not, there are coaching problems that cannot be attributed to player personnel.  The team was not prepared for this game.  The team was not propared for Indiana either.  NEither game should have been in question. The reason todays comments were not here last week, I think, is because most of use wanted this coaching expermient to work.   I like Luke.  I hope he gets another shot maybeon a smaller stage first. I wish it had worked out.  But this pattern of playing down to the competition feels an awful lot like John Cooper's teams.

Beat Michigan.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

argyle182021's picture

"Herron ran for 67 yards, and the Buckeyes fell to 21-2 in games where has run for more than 55 yards. He also failed to score a touchdown for the first time in 15 games."


Actually his TD streak ended vs Wisky.  He ran for 160 but didn't get into the endzone that game.

jbirmmd's picture

Good summary of an awful game, Jer. 

From my perspective, there were only a few bright spots in the midst of a truly woeful performance in general: 

1)  Braxton Miller's play making ability, if not his passing game (maybe not his fault so much as poor coaching).

2)  Running back play.  I know this is hard to see, but I think both Hall and Herron, to a lesser extent Hyde, hit their holes hard and ran with authority and vision.  Just no place to go most of the time.

3)  Ryan Shazier was about the only bright spot on defense and could be really good.  (shocked by how poorly our d-line played and the DBs continue to be a disappointment as a group). 



bucknut3011's picture

Best possible scenario for Fickell, and the Bucks...

Fickell sheds the head coach responsibilities, as he is interim.  New coach hired (Urban...?).  Fickell resets his career development back at defensive coordinator and refocuses the defense (because between the last two weeks, they are regressing).  New head coach makes it his personal mission to demolish and rebuild the offensive coaching staff.

jbirmmd's picture

Nice dream scenario.  Can they start next week! : )


GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Fickell should remain on staff. He's a great recruiter and defensive mind. We have a young team, with poor offensive coaches. 

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Hoody Wayes's picture

That will be up to next head coach.

bucknut3011's picture

Any qualified candidate for the job at OSU will recognize the offensive deficiencies.  If he doesn't... well, he shouldn't be a candidate.

I agree relative to retaining Fickell.  But I do think he is good for the future of OSU.  Just not as head coach for now.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Buckeyes lose to Penn State & Michigan.

Earn invite to Ticket City Bowl and lose to Tulsa.

Everyone but one coach is let go. Probably Stan Drayton.

NCAA issues penalties. All of current plus 17 scholarship reductions and two year bowl ban. Gene Smith resigns.

Tim Beckman named new HC.

Hello darkness. FML.


onetwentyeight's picture

No. Go away. 


(Tim Beckman?!!! Really?!! ) 



LABuckeye's picture

I thought that was a Debbie Downer post, too, but that's kinda harsh isn't it?

ih8rolltyde's picture

Go anywhere else with that garbage.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Hoody Wayes's picture

...provided the administration doesn't want a clean break. In that event, Drayton may be the only one retained.

BuckeyeChief's picture

After a short run and long ass walk in the rain I had a few thoughts:

1. I completely agree with whomever the next HC is keeping Fickell on as the DC.

2. For all the doubters, I will say Braxton has alot to learn, HOWEVER, the kid is a winner. How many times has he driven the Buckeyes down the field with the game on the line in the 4th quarter now? Think about it...I am 100% confident he will find a way to win if given a chance, and it will only get better once he figures out what he's doing.

3. I won't question heart. Maybe just maybe these guys are lost, maybe not as good as we all thought, I don't know, but I can't question their heart. If they had none, collectively, they pack it in vs. Wisky.

4. Fick is in a bad spot, and maybe in over his head right now. This isn't how he wanted or should have gotten the job. I only hope 10 years from now, he isn't coaching some other school where we meet up in a BCS game and he bushwacks us and we wonder why he isn't coaching here.

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

M tots's picture

if they didn't have heart, they may have packed it in after the heartbreaking and monumental collapse in Lincoln.  I have been really impressed by the way we have responded since then.  Many teams may never have recovered...

faux_maestro's picture

To the people who think Fickell is in over her head:

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

Menexenus's picture

Bravo!  :-)

Real fans stay for Carmen.

BuckeyeChief's picture

WTF is "Brent" Favre's nephew running at Miss St? Crazy formations!

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

Arkansas Buckeye's picture


He wants his family out of Arkansas and he developes quarterbacks.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

BuckeyeChief's picture

And he'll stay 2-3 years and bail for greener pastures.

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

BuckeyeChris's picture

Dear BuckeyeChief's Mom and Dad:

BuckeyeChief pays attention in class.

-Your Teacher

(+1 BuckeyeChief...+1) 

Arkansas Buckeye's picture

Disagree only because what greener pastures are there to leave for? tOSU is a career destination.  Nobody leave tOSU for somewhere else.  He has had his taste of the NFL and won't be going back there.  His kids are at an age where he wants to be somewhere for awhile.  He does have a big buyout.  But the fit is perfect.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

faux_maestro's picture

Right now I would say the pastures in Arkansas are greener than here; NCAA FTM letters etc.

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

Brutus's picture

This will probably be misinterpreted as being optimistic, which I'm sure will draw the ire of many, but I'm approaching this as a realist. This is a very young team with a rookie head coach that has been mired in controversy for nearly a year and is without a few key players to injury/suspension. The only reason we were in the title hunt this late in the season is because the B1G is not very good, not because we are. Of course we should have beaten Purdue, but I'm not the least bit surprised we lost. We did all the things young teams do on the road. Having more talent is irrelevant. I'm quite certain that Florida and Texas and Oklahoma and several other teams almost always have more talent than the other team. And guess what, they lose games too, oftentimes to inferior teams. I don't understand what entitles us to not experience a down year. If we're still playing these types of games in two years, then I'll have a problem. If Bollman is back next year, then I'll have a problem. But right now, I see a young team that plays great at times and poorly at others. The future is bright and I'd be perfectly happy watching Fickell come back and lead this team next year. Just like Miller, Fickell will only get better. Don't blame him because some/many of us were on here after the Wisconsin game scouting our Rose Bowl opponent. We placed those expectations on the team and got our hopes up, but that was never a reality. Sure, it was possible that we'd win out, but even then, we would have won those games because the opponents were mediocre, like us. And we would have been in the same position whether it was Fickell or Tressel or Meyer or whoever was coaching. Why, because this team is only that good, period.

This season is all about getting ready for next season. Ever since JT got fired and Pryor got kicked off the team, this season has been nothing more than a preview of things to come, and I for one, think things don't look so bad (again, assuming Bollman is gone after this year).

The Buckeyes will beat PSU next week, which will be bittersweet given that we would have been sitting in 1st place all alone, and then it's a toss up vs scUM.

onetwentyeight's picture

The difference between Miller and Fickell is that 1. Miller isn't being paid; Fickell is; and 2. Head Coach at THE Ohio State University IS. NOT. a job you "Grow Into". Why do people not understand this. We aren't some MAC training ground for young coaches. 

Braxton is a 18 y/o QB. We have to live with his mistakes b/c somewhere down the line he'll probably turn into a pretty damn good player. There is ZERO excuse for us to apply that same line of thinking to Fickell. Coaching here should be the culmination of a life's work and experience. We should only hire the best qualified. I can't believe this is even debatable. 

I know a lot of people here are resistant to Meyer because he isn't seen as a "home-grown" product while Fickell (and JT) are. But those people forget that the difference between Fickell and JT (and between Fickell and Meyer) is that JT had a TON of Head coaching experience before he took this job. Like we're talking DECADES of success. Meyer has a similarily impressive (if somewhat less lengthy) resume. Fickell does not. He has None. Before this year, he had as much head coaching experience as I did. To keep him aboard in hopes that someday "down the line" he figures it all out ... is just inexcusable and would kill our program entirely. 



NC_Buckeye's picture



Get ready for MACtion in the B1G.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Urby aleady accepted the Penn State job.

So get on your knees and pay homage to your new savior. Lord Beckman of Toledo.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Hey, just yanking your chain there 1-20.

But seriously, I heard that Gene Smith has been in touch with Phillip Fulmer. It's rumored he's going to take a break from his Law & Order gig.

Baroclinicity's picture

100% what Brutus said.  Too much haste out there trying to hire or fire the coach on a week by week basis.  We could beat PSU and Michigan in the next two weeks, and half the people on here would flip back to the Fickell side.  We should not have lost to Purdue, and it's frustrating.  But the process of getting back to the level of which we have grown accustomed to is not going to happen in a week, a month, after a big win, or even a season.  There will likely be speed bumps next year, too, regardless of who is coach.


When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Bucks's picture

I have been one of the more vocal in favor of giving Luke a chance. 3 years, full control in hiring & firing, his own selected staff.

His saving grace excuse of defensive-minded has been exploited over & over again. The offense is terrible. WR's are absolutely talented but no direction. ST's failed. Team in general had no fight with the exception of Braxton. Secondary is a resort. Penalties. Brax saves us on numerous 3rd & longs. LB's are sub-par. D-line does almost nothing. Entire team regresses. Interior 3 O-line BLOWS. Injuries. Team isn't in shape. 


Bottom line, fundamentals are lacking. Coaches talk about it plenty but my oh my. Missed tackles, poor angles, predictable plays, stuffed plays, etc. Two games left. No excuse.

So yes Brutus & Baro, absolutely no understanding of this "optimistic" approach. I have been positive about a ton & have focused on the silver lining. I don't care if this team wins the final two in amazing fashion ... not the slightest chance I will change my mind. Staff needs to change.


Baroclinicity's picture

I'm not saying you're wrong.  Let's wait until the end of the season and look at the entire body of work.  We knew there would be eggs laid this year.  But if we win out, it will be hard to ignore the fact that Fickell has coached wins over UW, PSU, and UM in his first year with a thin team.  I'll be surprised if we do win out, and I think he is in a position where he needs to do so to keep the job.  But let's put the flamethrowers away for now.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

onetwentyeight's picture

I like how the definition of "win out" as employed by the staunch Fick defenders has slowly evolved over the season. I assume at the beginning we all had relatively high hopes for this team (probably ~2 losses, Rose Bowl win). Yet as the losses (and inexcusable 'close' games against the likes of Toledo and Indiana !!!!!!!!!!!! ) mount ppl still keep saying "if he wins out" ... we need to give him a look still. Except "win out" has gone for "punch our ticket to the Rose bowl" to "backdoor our lucky way into the B1G CC" to now "win the last 3 games and pray". 


I'm sorry, but its not "WINning out" if you keep adjusting what that means after every LOSS and apply it to the Remaining games on the schedule. At some point, you accumulate enough LOSSES so that the very idea of WINNING out no longer has any meaning. If you take this to the logical extreme a team could be 0-11 and you could say, Hey if we WIN OUT (the last 2 games) we should still blah blah balh. 



NC_Buckeye's picture

Phillip Fulmer would give us instant S-E-C street cred plus ten automatic points in the Fulmer Cup every year.

Think about it.

onetwentyeight's picture

I, for one, eagerly await the arrival of Lord Tim Beckman. 


Beckman --> bOeckman ? 



ih8rolltyde's picture

Thank you, as always, for levelheadedness.

Uh, meant for Brutus.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Bucks's picture

Poe linked this earlier and it just fits the lunacy:

PDBuckeyes Doug Lesmerises
Asked Jim Bollman why Buckeyes don't throw more short/midrange passes. Said those require precision. Implication is OSU not very precise


Derrr? If we are incapable of running a short timing route and instead believe the answer is 20+ yard throws, I have no idea what to say. On that note, we can run a misdirection precision screen to Stoney (Neb) but can't master one of the basics for a receiving corp? Really?

I haven't been able to see the receivers on just general routes but it seems as if they can't get off jams, run basically backyard routes & even in the case of the win against Wisky ... do absolutely nothing to help Braxton. I absolutely refuse to accept they are all lemons which leads directly to coaching & Stan Drayton. I would love someone to express what they've seen on routes and/or practice with this particular unit.

Game 10. Ten! Not sure if there is anything that is noticeably improved this far into the season.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

If the receivers cant get open why does everyone love Drayton?

Bucks's picture

I'm not even clear why he has seemingly received a free pass this far in. I know he opens doors on recruiting but there has to be a correlation between him coaching wideouts for the first time & this pitiful display all season.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Let's be frank: How many of these WRs would be getting serious playing time for most good teams, or for most Buckeye teams of the last few decades? They're all very inexperienced (mostly freshmen and redshirt freshmen), and for the most part weren't elite recruits of the Ted Ginn variety.

All the more reason that our playcalling ought to have as a key goal keeping our freshman QB and his freshman receivers out of third-and-long, but Bollman has yet to get the memo.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

BuckeyeChris's picture

Indiana came to town with a Frosh QB and Frosh receivers and exectued 7-10 yard passes all day, on a few occasions allowing them to convert 3rd and 4-ish, and continue drives.

Buckeyejason's picture


Thank you very much!!

Stop with the "we have a bunch of freshman" arguments, they're weak!


Buckeye Chuck's picture

OK, I apologize. Stan Drayton is the only reason we're not moving the ball through the air like the OSU down in Stillwater. How's that?

In the future, please don't tell me what to write.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

BuckeyeChief's picture

In other news, Stanford is getting HOUSED!

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Was hoping they would win out. Maybe beat an SEC school. Stanford's defense is not very good.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

blazers34's picture

ill bet storm klein just ate another bowl of spaghetti.  what a fat ass

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture


Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

Bucks's picture

Now THIS should get permanent replay.

Denny's picture

Mo wells :/


German Buckeye's picture

Too funny!

Well even though I'm greatly disappointed losing to an inferior team on the road (which we apparently cannot get ready for road games this season), I'm still a faithful Buckeye and will continue to cheer on the team.  Not really expecting to beat scUM (on the road) this season, sad to say.  Didn't Jim Tressel go 7-5 and lose his bowl game his first year?  Where we as critical then? 


BuckeyeChief's picture

This awesome!

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

Tim's picture

Not going to read the rest of the comments so this might have been said already, but worst headline ever.  Purdue is Purdue and will always be Purdue.  Wait until 2013 when we are not only way more talented then Purdue but also without sanctions that level the playing field for Purdue.  I hope we beat them by 50+ every time we have a chance to for the rest of my life; they deserve as much respect at Michigan got from Woody Hayes in 1968.

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Purdue has beaten Ohio State in four of the last six games in West Lafayette, and the Buckeyes are 12-8 in their history there, so unfortunately, it seems it's becoming relatively standard practice.

The worst part about the headline is how accurate and sad it is.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Let's be real though. Despite playing crappy for 95% of the game, with 50 seconds to go, we were kicking an extra point to take the lead. Drew Basil might have booted it too low, and they got a lucky block. Purdue was more lucky than anything to win.

There's nothing to get used to. Purdue is Purdue. How pathetic are they? Their fans rush the field after beating an unranked team. Three of their four wins at home against us were thanks mostly to fluke plays by them or miscues by us. The way we played there in '09, a decent team would've housed us by 30. I'll take our Buckeyes in 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc years there.

We kill them in Columbus. Are they really that good, or do we just get in our own way? They didn't beat us. We beat ourselves.

Class of 2010.

cbusbuckeye's picture

Their fans rush the field after beating an unranked team


Purdue beating Ohio State is akin to Purdue winning the SuperBowl, regardless of ranking, just saying.

Tim's picture

Fair points by both of you.  It's been a rough period of 2009-2011 -- we never should have lost in 2009, and this year's team is down by OSU's standards.  I can live with losing to Drew Brees when we weren't that good, but these recent losses are painful.  I bet we turn it around in West Lafayette the next few times we play there.

Menexenus's picture

So (basically) our Big Ten championship chances rest on the shoulders of Illinois beating Wisconsin next week.  Not friggin' likely...


Ok, time to pre-empt the NCAA and accept a voluntary bowl-ban this year.  Let's not wait for them to make up their minds in December and then screw us over for next year.


Real fans stay for Carmen.