Thursday Skull Session

By Jeremy Birmingham on September 15, 2011 at 6:00a

Buenos días, amigos. Forma en que se este hermoso día?

My apologies for the Spanish lesson, Buckeye fans.  I am merely preparing you all for the linguistic escapades you'll no doubt experience as you travel to Miami this weekend. The sun, the beach, the paid-for hookers...ahh...that's real beach living.  Please remember to keep on the lookout for LeBron James this weekend, as he surely will find a way to infuriate many of you by supporting the Buckeyes ("He surrendered that right last summer, that "Decision" makin' SOB").

As we start off the football watching portion of your week, look towards tomorrow night's slate to get a barometric reading on where the young Buckeyes are heading into Saturday. Toledo hosts Boise State in the Glass Bowl Friday, and it should answer some questions about whether the Buckeyes played that poorly last week, or if Toledo is the real deal this year. Stay tuned for lamenting and gnashing of teeth.

MOORE OPPORTUNITY FOR JT. No, not that JT (although I have often thought there was a way to get him back into coaching again without drawing the attention of the NCAA), J.T. Moore, the redshirt freshman DE from Youngstown.  Moore, who got his first career start last week against Toledo will see extended playing time again this weekend after Jim Heacock confirmed that senior Nathan Williams will be out for an indisclosed period of time following a knee scoped Wednesday morning. Moore, who struggled against Toledo (he was the guilty party on the whiffed block that led to the blocked punt), will be expected to step up his game early against an experienced Hurricanes line.  Against Toledo, Moore was credited with three tackles, including one solo stop. 

The Buckeyes thought initially that Wiiams would be available this weekend. However, as his leg continued to bother him, it became necessary to get the surgical procedure done.

MILLER TIME? No, not that Miller. I mean Steve Miller. No, not that Steve Miller, although I would argue that we could all use some "Jungle Love" after last week's heart-stopper against the Rockets. I mean team joker Steve Miller, the lauded freshman who followed in the footsteps of Mike Doss and Kenny Peterson among others, and matriculated to Columbus from Canton McKinley High School. As a top 10 recruit at his position, Miller was one of the first freshman that many Buckeye fans expected to see make an impact on the field this fall, and although he has played sparingly, he has not "flashed" in the way that others, like Michael Bennett, have. This weekend may be his best chance to make an early season splash, as the Buckeyes will rely on a heavy rotation of defensive lineman to try and wear down Miami's line and to put Jacory Harris on his back.

Hall brings versatility and vision to Buckeye backfield

   HALL RETURNS, CARLOS HIDES. With the return of tailback Jordan Hall this weekend, the Buckeyes instantly find themselves back to near full strength at running back after two games at half-capacity.  Last week, when the Buckeyes thought Hall would be eligible for return, Carlos Hyde was still listed ahead of the Jeannette, PA native on the depth chart.  That does not appear to be the case this week, at least according to Jim Bollman, who said Wednesday that Jordan Hall would take over the starting responsibilities. Hyde, who has 39 totes for 169 yards in the season's first two games, has been consistent, but not spectacular.  He also has five catches on the season, including 4 in the opener against Akron, Hyde had been forced into being a focal part of the Buckeye offense so far this year.

It would not be surprising to see Jordan Hall match that productivity in the passing game this weekend, especially with the loss of sophomore WR Philly Brown, who injured his ankle against Toledo. Perhaps the most versatile of the Buckeye backs, Hall will bring additonal value to the field for Ohio State as a kick and punt returner.

PRYOR DISCOVERY, CURRENT PROBLEMS? Yesterday, Ohio State booster Bobby DiGeronimo admitted that he was responsible for the "charitygate" players being suspended. Yesterday, Ohio State, which had previously allowed players to attend this charity event, acknowledged that the payments were made by a university booster.  The revelation apparently came to light when former Buckeye QB Terrelle Pryor was stating his case for NFL eligibility.  Pryor, attempting to prove his Ohio State days would be over, was put in a position where he had to lie to protect his teammates who broke rules with him, or tell the truth to make sure that his closet full of skeletons was completely exposed.

Interestingly enough, at least from what I can discern, it doesn't appear that the players receiving money for attending the event was in itself against NCAA rules. Instead, the main issue was the decision to attend without getting consent from the school. By not clearing the event with the school, the players prevented the school from verifying the reimbursement amount before they (OSU) gave the money to the players seems. The NCAA does allow for players to receive money in these cases, as they state in their bylaws (

a noninstitutional charitable, educational or nonprofit agency may use a student-athlete’s name, picture or appearance to support its charitable or educational activities or to support activities considered incidental to the student-athlete’s participation in intercollegiate athletics, provided the following conditions are met: (a) The student-athlete receives written approval to participate from the director of athletics (or his or her designee who may not be a coaching staff member), subject to the limitations on participants in such activities as set forth in Bylaw 17....(f ) The student-athlete may accept actual and necessary expenses from the member institution, member conference or the charitable, educational or nonprofit agency related to participation in such activity..

MICHIGAN MOMENT. After watching the Michigan football team for the last two weeks, I have come to the conclusion that they are, for all intent and purpose, the same exact team they were a year ago. Yes, they are a bit more successful blitzing the quarterback than they were a year ago, and their receivers are a bit better at catching poorly thrown balls. Denard Robinson, without a doubt one of the most electrifying players in the country, seems to have had the plug pulled on his dynamic skill set, and that makes me giddy.

Robinson, who somehow managed to be named the Davey O'Brien Quarterback of the Week despite only having four completions through three quarters against Notre Dame last Saturday, is out of his element in the pocket, and it is glaringly obvious. His successes against the Irish were nothing but jump-balls, and Notre Dame's defense, hardly the most athletic in America, was able to contain his rushing ability for the majority of the game. Yes, Denard got 100+ on the ground, but at roughly six yards per carry, the Irish did a nice job most of the game, only giving up one big run (at a crucial time, of course). Robinson is a true weapon in the offense if UM lets him play to his strengths, but if Michigan OC Al Borges is counting on Robinson's receivers averaging 33 yards per catch, he may want to re-evaluate his offensive scheme.

One thing that night did leave me surprised though, was the atmosphere in Michigan Stadium. It impressed me that they so recklessly disregarded the impending wine headaches that Sunday morning assuredly brought them, as they cheered for the home team. No doubt they were late to brunch the next day.

QUICK SLANTS. This gives a whole new meaning to "Taste the Rainbow"...Karma doesn't play nice...Well, that was unexpected (NSFW - watch speaker volume)...Former Buckeye MVP started Miller Time...Credit where credit is due - ESPNU mascot logos are pretty sweet.



Is it Saturday Yet's picture

So they are in trouble for going to a charity event that wasn't approved? Two games for that?

thorvath22's picture

I thought of a name for the Miami v ohio state game....

The "cashed" bowl

ih8rolltyde's picture


****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

thorvath22's picture

Thanks. I people catch the dual meaning lol

Darth Brutus's picture

Morning Kids!

 You know, my little girl just received a free ticket and uniform for our local high school's game on Friday from the Booster's Club so she and several other 1st grade girls can do a cheer/dance routine at half time.....I hope the NCAA doesn't get wind of this!

"Have you ever been to Michigan? The whole state smells like hot-dog water!"

Darth Brutus's picture

And how about the "Tits or Tats Bowl"?

"Have you ever been to Michigan? The whole state smells like hot-dog water!"

Run_Fido_Run's picture

LOL! Except that choice might force even Buckeye fans into selecting option #1.

On the other hand, if it can be scientifically proven that more Tats lead to more Tits . . .

Maestro's picture

+1 bazillion (or should that be brazillion)

vacuuming sucks

BED's picture

Why is every Cleveland fan still so salty about LBJ?

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Denny's picture

Because of 'Nam.


BED's picture

Probably right.

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E2Brutus's picture

Yeah. He was never fully prepared for the decision to withdrawl

AcrossTheField11's picture

Is that even a real question?  The entire world is still salty about LBJ, so why wouldn't Cleveland be?

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Scott's picture

What's not to get? He's dead to us. That doesn't wear off.

Class of 2008

BED's picture

He made a business decision.  Was the way he did it stupid/douchey? Yes.  But come on, it's been over a year now guys.  Chillax, and move on!

He's still a Native Ohioan, I'm happy he's cheering for my team.  He'd have gone here if he was required to do a year in College.  And we'd all love him no matter what, then!

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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

COB's picture

Don't lump brunch in with those assholes.  Brunch is awesome.  Wine at a football game on the other hand? Yeah that's a michigan man alright. 

timdogdad's picture

that would be a good idea for a cartoon on the ozone's zone read.  " william are we drinking a riesling for today's game or is it a zinfindel?  well winthorpe, i am rather perplexed indeed, i did enjoy the zinfindel at last weeks polo match, lets continue with that.  i can't be bothered with that dreadful miller lite."   

The_Lurker's picture

I can't be bothered with Miller Lite either. Awful stuff.

Matt's picture


The_Lurker's picture

I shut my mouth when it comes to being anywhere near Miller Lite. Yuengling FTW.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree. One should never invite Michigan "fans" to a brunch buffet. They'd bogart the quiche, fruit salad, and the farfalle with sundried tomatoes.

joel121270's picture

Really glad you posted that about Duh-nard and his jump balls. I read the media garbage and think to myself "really?" for every long one he threw you could tell he was just chucking and I think he half way admitted to it.

Then I got to listen to Herbie and right now I can't remember what he kept saying but I needed to run to the bathroom to throw up.


Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

The ESPNU logos are mostly very cool, except for OSU's.   Ours is incredibly bland, and it appears zero thought or time went into it.  A striped shirt with a horrible looking bland hat?   And those sure look like chestnuts and not buckeyes in front.   Ours is about 3:32 in, for those without patience.   I smell more conspricay (jk)

thePhilipJFry's picture

It's brutus's shirt.  If you are going to merge the U logo with Brutus you either have to make the U look like his head or stripe it the way they did.  All I am saying is they didn't have a lot of options so going with the school colors seems alright by me.

The_Lurker's picture

Could have been worse, but how about Woody's iconic black block O hat? Would that have been so hard? Could also have had the buckeyes spelling out script Ohio. But whatevs.

BED's picture

Probably can't use the Block O because of copyright.

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The_Lurker's picture

They use quite a few other things that are covered by copyright, including IU's logo.

buckeyes763's picture

I thought it should have at least included some tattoos and rings and an O$U

Bucksfan's picture

Feels more like they're making fun of us fans.  I saw this and thought, "Really, they went with what we wear to the grocery store on weekends? Classy."

thorvath22's picture

I think you're overreacting

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

I don't mind the shirt, it's the hat that looks like sh*t.....but whatever, I should be happy they got the colors right

Buckeyejason's picture

There goes that big year that everyone was wanting and expecting from Nathan Williams. Sucks to hear, he's a very talented dude but never got to show he was dominant.

Let's say J.T Moore ends up being good and locks down the LEO spot. What does that mean for the talented Steve Miller. Does he become second fiddle for 4 years?

Hope Jordan Hall provides us some big plays, because we're going to need that if we want to win this game saturday.


Maestro's picture

I would imagine they will get Miller on the field somehow.

vacuuming sucks

AltaBuck's picture

Regarding the Miami game....You may see more 4 man fronts meaning Simon will move to the outside and Bellamy or possibly Bennett will play inside. Miami's strength is its oline and RBs and they typically run a proset. The more beef we have up front the better and Simon has already proven he can speed rush from the DE spot in passing situations.

It sucks having Nate out but i don't believe this hurts as much compared to playing a good spread type offense w/o Nate (IE - Toledo). 

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OldColumbusTown's picture

They have always rotated (or at least tried) a minimum of 7 or 8 D-linemen.  Even if JT Moore blows up and becomes a star on the line, Miller will get plenty of chances, especially if he produces while he's out there.

You could argue the rotation of linemen is a reason guys like Heyward and Gibson didn't get drafted higher than they did.  They don't get the volume of snaps most other "All-Americans" do, and then don't end up putting up the type of impressive individual numbers that get you more recognition.  It's a give and take, but as a Buckeye fan, I'll take!!

Buckeyejason's picture

Yeah I agree. Simon, Hankins, Goebel, Bellamy. With Bennett, Moore, Baldwin, and Miller rotating in.

I hate to be negative but I just don't have a good feeling about this one. Our defense is going to keep us in every game as always but we can't afford to sputter on offense like we did last week..especially with ThugU having better athletes on defense than Toledo.I'm Hoping we have some great returns to help bolster the offense a bit.


AltaBuck's picture field position (return game) and the TO battle. I don't see this offense sustaining long drives vs this Miami D. We could see some big plays if Miami stacks the box. Hall's play will be huge this game.

If it's close at halftime, i think they'll come out on top in this one.  Miss some tackles and give up some big plays early = loss.

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Maestro's picture

I had a bad feeling about the Toledo game, so you can imagine my feelings about this weekend.

Hey, at this point I just want to see the team improve and play hard all season. To expect this group to win the B1G is a bit much IMHO.

I will cheer my butt off, and will be proud to be a Buckeye fan no matter what.

I hope Braxton gets on the field just to give a change of pace, and I expect J. Hall to be used in different ways. I sure hope the OLine has made some improvements on what were some glaring errors against Toledo. Perhaps Linsley can sub for Hall at guard. Need more Stoneburner on the field too IMHO.

Very excited to have T. Howard back, and think that our defensive backfield will be very stout with his addition to the group.

Hankins and Simon have been huge and will need to be even HUGER.............GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

vacuuming sucks

Baroclinicity's picture

Just beat Michigan.  Seriously, that's all I care about in a season riddled with complications.  If you want to add one more, beat Penn State because I'm going to that game.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Huger?  I still thought we would destroy Toledo and keep them at zero points against us all time.  After watching the Toledo game I'm nervous.  I'm one of those that always thinks the Buckeyes are in the hunt for the title, not just the B1G title either.  I'm really worried about Miami.  I'm just hoping more Buckeyes show up than Miami fans.  

I'll cheer, but I may destroy a remote or two before it's all over.

Maestro's picture


Oh, believe me I have scared the crap out of my pets and young children watching Buckeye games.  The remote at least doesn't cry and give you those sad puppy dog eyes that ask "What the F*** is wrong with my psychotic Daddy?"

I remember the 35-3 beatdown and the 41-14 beatdown all too well, but I did wake up the next day and life actually kept moving forward in a relatively positive direction.  With age comes some perspective.

Make us proud young Bucks!

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AltaBuck's picture

My wife usually takes the kids somewhere and the dogs hide upstairs. I can relate.

My biggest concern prior to the Toledo game was their experience (18 returning starters). I just didn't they would be intimidated in the 'shoe' and they weren't. Plus the fact that they have a great offense that is centered upon a all-american. Paige is for real and would start anywhere.

tOSU Vs Miami, both teams have issues inside the helmet: Miami since they always seem to implode (it's in their nature) and tOSU due to their youth and QB inexperience.

The longer this game stays close, the better tOSU chances of winning. I really think Miami will tighten up and our guys will get more confident.


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NC_Buckeye's picture

Ramzy mentioned that a lot of uncalled holding was partially responsible for the DLs lack of performance against Toledo. Do we know if we'll have the benefit of a B1G officiating crew on Saturday?

Matt's picture

For interconference play, I believe the away team's conference officials ref the game.  In Bowl games, a neutral conference crew is typically used.  

NC_Buckeye's picture

I'd say that 90% of the time that is true. It has become an accepted standard when scheduling non-conference games. But it's not an NCAA rule or anything. It's just part of the negotiation between the two Athletic Depts.

I can't recall any B1G team getting screwed this way. But I recall a couple of Thurs night games where I've questioned the homerism of the crew. Hawaii seems to come to mind for some reason.

buckeyes763's picture

How many below mediocre seasons is it going to take before michigan stops gettings ranked and their qb stops getting heisman attention for beating a terrible notre dame team? I'm still LOL'ing at brian 'purple face' kelly saying michigan and USF are better than toledo.

BuckeyeMark's picture

we are discussing ESPN's animation of our mascot...  seriously?

I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have endless discussion about who know what when and who is responsible for what...

let's talk football!!!  x's and o's, scheme, whether to run the screen, how to tackle the screen (hello Tyler), whether we can make a fg from further out than extra point distance...

Buckeyejason's picture

The networks and media just want tSUN to be good very very badly. Me, eh I say stay at the bottom forever, who gives a [censored]!!


sharkvsghost's picture

Anyone going to the game?  And if so, any pregame tailgate festivites worth checking out?

swing hard in case you hit it.

Nappy's picture

I wish Seantrel was playing in this game.  I would like nothing more than to see get him get burnt repeatedly by our D line.  I'm excited to see what Hall adds to the RB position.  All camp we were hearing how he was lining up all over the field.  Maybe his 2 game suspension will turn into a blessing as Miami hasn't had a chance to scout us with Hall on the field.  And given The Baus's ability inability to throw the deep ball, hopefully quick passes and dumpoffs to the flat can turn into big plays. 

I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face

Buckeyejason's picture

How long into the game until fans are screaming for Braxton Miller? I'll say after 3 offensive series.


phxbuck's picture

My guess is after the 4th time he feels pressure and throws it out of bounds. 

vidstudent's picture

Reading the bylaw closely, the money accepted has to be "actual and necessary expenses," which means there would have to be an expense report where they stated how much it cost for gas and food.  If they flew out to, say, North Carolina or Vermont to help with raising money and cleaning up after Irene, for example, they could submit the cost of the plane tickets and fast food receipts, and expect repayment with compliance oversight (no steak dinners out of this).

$200 out of an envelope for showing up is more than expenses, and the coverup following a mess caused by coverup...yeah, can we never have this happen again plzkthx?

Nicholas Eckert


Squirrel Master's picture

Yep. From what I recall, last time Michigan played Toledo, Toledo won!

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Buckeyejason's picture

I agree Maestro, no expectations just watch and enjoy Byuckeye football win or lose.


poop's picture

"I've been drivin' down the muthaf*ckin' street biatch! With my beats biatch! Sendin tweets biatch!"

Goddamn that was funny.