The Sound of Silence

By Ramzy Nasrallah on July 19, 2011 at 1:00p
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At the time: Awkward chest bump.  In hindsight: Last dance.

Chances are you're more familiar with the details of the Caylee Anthony murder case than you are with the complexities of managing our country's almost 15 trillion-dollar debt ceiling.  You know what should be more important to you personally?  Right, the debt ceiling, times about 15 trillion.

It's not that you aren't intellectually curious about how or why our country conducts vital business by spending almost $120 billion more than it makes each month.  It's just that there was this certifiably trashy skank in Florida was partying publicly the week her kid was killed, then she got caught in a web of lies about it and three years of non-stop tabloid coverage later, was somehow declared not guilty.

Stories of white females, whether trapped in a well, missing, murdered or murderous tend to do extremely well in generating readers and viewers, whereas most affairs related to governing are typically boring unless the affair involves the President lying under oath about an intern - ahem - on his White House staff.  Even our government on the verge of running out of credit is barely on the radar by comparison.

It's not because of media bias for or against Casey Anthony.  It's because for-profit media is in the business of generating more readers and viewers, capturing larger audiences and in turn increasing the rate of advertising that it can reasonably demand.

At least that's what reasonable people tell you to believe, and you should, because they're right.  Still, there's no exact science to understanding why one specific person or entity generates a media firestorm while a similar and/or more salacious one does not. 

At risk of becoming yet another dipshit who compares the Casey Anthony-anything to Ohio State, here goes: While Ohio State is not even close to being the only football program that is or will soon be awaiting an NCAA determination for its transgressions, media coverage has certainly made it seem that way

It's quite clear who is newsworthy and who isn't, and it definitely isn't because of the news itself.  Last week on July 13 it was "revealed" by New York Times college football beat reporter Pete Thamel that NCAA VP of Enforcement Julie Roe Lach told Gene Chizik in a room full of SEC football and basketball coaches that Auburn was still under investigation. 

He packaged this bombshell as breaking news in a story that was published on page B14 of the July 14 New York Times.  The defending BCS champions being under what is now approaching a significantly lengthy investigation should be headline news. 

However, Thamel's "breaking news" was almost 45 days old.  The SEC meetings in Destin where Lach's revelation occurred began on May 31, and they were exhaustively covered by plenty of national and SEC beat writers. 

If you look back at what storyline emerged from the meetings where that bombshell was dropped, you'll see that instead of being about NCAA scrutiny over Auburn or anything else related to what came out of Destin, the ledes were almost unanimously about Jim Tressel with the angle that he had played ineligible players against Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl and Razorbacks coach Bobby Petrino wasn't happy about it (even though he had previously said - prior to losing - that he wanted to face Ohio State at full strength).

Meanwhile, from the week of those SEC meetings in Destin to July 14 when the Times finally ran Lach's revelation about Auburn, the following was reported of Ohio State football:

1) Ray Small's "tell-all" interview composed almost exclusively of blase generalizations and, eventually, wholesale retractions 2) Terrelle Pryor's driver's license being suspended and reinstated 3) George Dohrmann's pre-determined masterpiece in Sports Illustrated 4) Tressel's "resignation" 5) "Will Luke Fickell ever speak publicly?" 6) Fickell finally speaks publicly 7) Pryor leaves Ohio State 8) Pryor speaks to the media with his agent in a nationally-televised press conference 9) Pryor gets an ESPN reality show 10) FALLOUT BEGINS: Ejuan Price asks Ohio State for his release - will a flood of other recruits follow? 11) Let's ask Maurice Clarett what he thinks of all of this! 12) ESPN's 140th-ranked prospect Kyle Kalis switches his commitment from Ohio State to Michigan, resulting in an ESPN interview and headline on ESPN.com's main page that lasted the better part of a week. 

This is a partial list, and it's not a result of bias.  It's popularity, and Buckeye fans get it both ways.

If it were bias, Ohio State would have been wholly ignored while Tressel made the Big Ten championship the free space on his personal BINGO card for the last six seasons.  The Buckeyes are inescapable in the press in both good times or bad, whereas Auburn could win the next five titles and nobody outside of the SEC footprint or college football's devoted users would care. 

There's a reason they've been shafted out of two title shots over the past 20 years: They're Auburn - an elite football program in a second-tier football program's clothing; essentially the opposite of Notre Dame over the better part of the same time frame.

Auburn is the second-most popular team in Alabama, a state that consistently ranked in the high 40s out of 50 in most everything of consequence.  Its largest city is 1/8 the size of Columbus.  Being the second-most popular anything in Alabama does not register virtually anywhere else in the country or world.


Auburn's troubles are still of no help to Ohio State; our spotlight won't go away anytime soon: As each of the numerous public records requests Ohio State received from various media is processed, a new story is born.  Each FOI submission is essentially a story you're dreading in gestation.  As such, the AP requests that were filed in spring were fulfilled recently, and that stork delivered last week.

The AP story painted the picture of a head coach who was sometimes cavalier regarding required paperwork and minor rules, like allowing a parent to charge a seven dollar phone call to the university; an obvious, stupid and minor violation that Tressel has no excuse for allowing to happen.  It also contained this tidbit, which can best be described as "narrative fuel" -

Tressel received a letter of reprimand from Geiger for giving a recruit a Buckeyes jersey, clearly breaking an NCAA bylaw, before he had even coached his first game. Geiger put the letter in Tressel's personnel file on June 15, 2001 — he was hired earlier that year on Jan. 17.

Tressel was not only Youngstown State's head football coach; he was the school's athletic director as well.  He knew this was a violation.  Why would he do this in his first few months on the job coaching a single game?  And to whom did this jersey go to?

Of special interest...was an Ohio State football jersey with Mr. Humphrey’s No. 6 enclosed in a frame, which Mr. Tressel presented shortly after Drushaun’s death.

That bright red, unworn NCAA violation sits in a trophy case at Toledo Rogers High School - and make no mistake, it's a violation to the letter of the rules.  But that's not the story, nor was that why the FOI request was filed: It was filed to provide content to support the headline, Records show Tressel rated poorly in reporting violations.  More support:

Ohio's Bureau of Motor Vehicles looked into 25 sales involving Buckeyes players and determined that the dealers received fair-market value for the cars. The bureau did not address whether the deals met NCAA standards prohibiting benefits not available to the general student population.

Probably because the BMV isn't interested or capable of interpreting how NCAA standards intersect with car sales.  "Fair-market value" kind of says it all and should merit deletion of this paragraph from the story, but why stray from the reason people clicked on the link?

That investigation into car sales headed by the Dispatch - the same one that reported Terrelle Pryor's used Nissan with over 80,000 miles on it as a "flashy sports car" and Thad Gibson's used $13,750 Chrysler 300 as a 300c with a purchase price of $0 - also found eight football players and a basketball player being pulled over in cars with dealer tags over a four year period.  How can you explain away that?

Some involved used-car purchases in which the athletes were issued dealer plates instead of cardboard temporary tags while waiting for their registrations from the state motor-vehicle agency. One vehicle was a rental. And another involved an inaccurate license-plate number being reported on the public records.

It's definitely a far cry from a bunch of football players driving around in off-the-books loaner cars.  REALITY CHECK: If you don't think this still isn't shady, gray-area abuse of the spirit of an NCAA rule then you get a special badge for being the homeriest homer.  Fortunately, just being shady isn't an NCAA violation; otherwise John Calipari would be serving time in Attica with multiple, horny bunkmates.

There are media creations, and there are bankable stars:  Ohio State, for a multitude of reasons, is a bankable star.  Minor news on a bankable star usually plays better than major news on an understudy.  That's part of the reason HBO's Real Sports investigation into Auburn had less staying power than a fart on an aircraft carrier.

No, NCAA troublemakers Southern California, North Carolina, Tennessee, Boise State and Georgia Tech have nothing on Ohio State, either in airtime or in violations; for the latter it's not even close

In fact, you only seem to hear about any of these schools when they're being used in the media to benchmark Ohio State's troubles in the laziest and most dishonest way possible.  There is no sane reason to compare this litany of transgressions to Ohio State other than to make that story more interesting while expanding its reach.

It's frustrating, but being an Ohio State fan is a voluntary exercise.  Enhanced attention comes with the territory.  Sure, ESPN has deliberately and repeatedly ignored reporting on Oregon and USCs scandals, but those are two teams that are not only regional, they routinely play their games while most of the country is asleep on channels like Versus that are only rumored to actually exist.

ESPN may be the worldwide leader in selective reporting, and that's not exclusive to just the Buckeyes, but Ohio State does not help itself either.  Tressel did the program no favors by being as repeatedly cavalier with minor but necessary compliance tasks as the media has been in reporting minor but important facts of the story. 

Gene Smith does Ohio State fewer favors with stuff like this and the delicate art of public relations has been a completely lost art for the university since the scandal started.  It's been said that Tressel brought this upon himself by constructing a facade of virtuousness, getting taken down unmercifully because he grossly violated the image he had propagated to the tune of two how-to books on the subject. 

That must only be partially true though, since Chizik has wrapped himself in Godliness in a way that would make Tressel blush.  The difference is that one guy was at Ohio State; the other is at Auburn.

The Buckeyes aren't the Yankees, but they get Yankees treatment.  So does Michigan.  Notre Dame, Penn State and Nebraska do too.  Alabama has a lapdog media contingent in a state with favorable privacy laws, and try to imagine Bama self-reporting and turning in its head coach to the NCAA the same way Ohio State did with Tressel.  Stop laughing.  Stop it.

On that very same day that Thamel confirmed Auburn was still under investigation, it was also revealed that Georgia Tech had been investigated by the NCAA, found guilty, put on four years of probation, had a season vacated and fined $100,000.  It was a scandal and investigation that, incredulously, went completely unreported. 

If there's a balance between reporting all the news and only reporting the interesting news, the Georgia Tech case is one where the entire media failed with a thud that nobody heard.  And it wasn't because of any pro-Georgia Tech bias.  People just don't care.  Remember, reporters are people too.

This is why on the very same day that the Auburn news and the Georgia Tech scandal broke, CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd chose to publish his umpteenth scathing column about...you take a guess.  Here's a hint: It wasn't about the debt ceiling.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

They're Auburn - an elite football program in a second-tier football program's clothing; essentially the opposite of Notre Dame over the better part of the same time frame.

Oh wow....just....I dont even....here you go:

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elaydin's picture

Too bad you couldn't wait few hours to post this.

I think "LSU" autocorrects to "OSU" on ESPN computers.

Pam's picture

ESPN CFB headlines have nothing on LSU. However, the $7 phone call is still there

m1ek's picture

The angle you're missing (well, I don't think you're missing it - underplaying it more like) is that Smith's predecessor basically was monitoring Tressel, but the new AD was just accepting everything he said...

which is where you start to get into LOIC or at least FTM territory.

I find it curious nobody's really talked about this in any detail yet. To me, that's the biggest smoking gun here - that Smith decided to eliminate the paper trail with Tressel.

Johnny Ginter's picture

i actually pointed that out in the comments section last week; personally i think that smith's job is on the line with what the NCAA decides to do with OSU. if he's misjudged their response, i think he's done. the oral review thing won't help

Jason Priestas's picture

Every week it's a different smoking gun with you.

You know what I find curious? As a PSU fan you were banned from Black Shoe Diaries. That's really saying something.

Nappy's picture

HA!

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m1ek's picture

Dude, I've said so here on at least one occasion myself. Banned for being argumentative with homers (and pushing back against the asshat moderator who thought one standard should apply to homers and another to non-homers).

That doesn't prove the point it thinks you're proving.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Notice you don't have a problem going on SlowStates and bad mouthing us though -- 11W -- the blog where you're continously trying to stir things up and AREN'T banned.

http://www.slowstates.com/blog/dear-leader-is-alive-and-well/#comments

We're soooo deluded and irrational that you have to point out to your buddies your "vain" attempts to set us straight.

M1EK -- PSU homer trying to get back into the fold on the backs of the Buckeye faithful. Don't fool yourself into thinking you have any credibility here BTW.

m1ek's picture

Oh Deer Lord.

If you think I'm sucking up to that bunch of homers, uh..., I don't know what to tell you. Slow States is the old anti-homer crowd's blog. The fact that a couple of them took the reins of BSD lately doesn't change the culture there.

Denny's picture

You shouldn't worship deer. [Deer Hunter joke goes here]

Taquitos.

Maestro's picture

Awesome.  Too late to edit now.  What's done is done.  M1EK has a doe urine fetish.

vacuuming sucks

m1ek's picture

Wow. You're no Einstien, that's for sure.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

ehhhhhhh I got banned at ATO so... there's that...

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Buckeye in Athens's picture

Looks like it's story time with SBB!

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I openly mocked their no subject line rule for about 2 days, while obeying it. Some people just can't take a joke.

 

there were a lot of "in communist russia..." jokes too.

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Buckeye in Athens's picture

Yeah their crackdown on no subject-line posts was a little odd. Don't blame you for trying to bring the lulz. 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

the main guy over there(NAME REDACTED) tends to take himself and the "rules" a bit too seriously. it really says something when I(an avid osu fan and alum) can't look past something trivial and get fed up with the stupid internet dictator schtick when it's an osu blog.  but I guess the internet is serious business.

 

besides, the content here, and just about everywhere else is far better. just my .02.

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cal3713's picture

Except for the offensive & defensive game plan reviews by Ross Fulton @ ATO... those are spectacularly educating and should be read by everyone.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

to a certain extent yes. but after a while i feel like i'm in a math class learning about exponnetial functions, etc. i'm here for the football stuf with a dash of sarcasm and humor, not a lecture from ben stine in ferris buhler.

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Buckeye in Athens's picture

Yeah I certainly wouldn't complain if Ross Fulton made his way over to 11W. Though I'm sure someone on the 11W crew could do similar style strategy articles. 

Ethan's picture

+1000

Fulton is in my personal top 3 OSU bloggers, along with Duane Long and Ramzy

Pam's picture

What is "ATO"?

Scott K's picture

along the olentangy

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Pam's picture

So, it's a blog?

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

by definition, i suppose so.

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Kyle's picture

Great piece as is the norm for Ramzy.  The only thing I take umbrage with is the notion that being a OSU fan is a voluntary exercise.  For some, maybe, but for others who attended and graduated from the school, seeing OSU trashed on a repeated basis means more than just our beloved football team taking a beating in the press.

 

Thankfully I'm not in the job market but if I were I'm sure I could look forward to potential employers (not located in the State of Ohio) making snarky and demeaning comments to the tune of, "Ohio State, do they still have a football team?" upon reviewing my resume.  OSU football is king and will always be the first association when referring to Ohio State, but all this bad press doesn't exactly help further the image of tOSU rising in the ranks as a academic and research powerhouse and place to be proud of getting a degree from.

RBuck's picture

What pisses me off is that the the fans and alum of other B1G schools don't get this whole ESPIN bias. It's not the OSU Buckeyes...it's the conference. God forbid that another B1G school has a good run or ESPIN and the rest of the national media will be on them like flies on sh**; but that's what it will take for them to see the light.

Great read Ramzy. Just makes me want to stand in the middle of Times Square and scream "I am an Ohio State fan and you can kiss my scarlet and gray ass".

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

NeARBuckeye's picture

You should do that but paint one cheek scarlet and the other gray.

RBuck's picture

Of course...and then bend over and be the "O".

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

BuckeyeSki's picture

Show them the ol' Buckeye Balloon knot?

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

This comment needs an award.

NC_Buckeye's picture

I have a buddy here in Raleigh (He's from New Jersey originally. IOW, he's a smartass.) who teases me by calling us thee Ohio State Browneyes.

Also he torments me by yelling O-H in the most inappropriate of places. Knowing full well that I'm required by law to yell back I-O. What a jackass! (I say that affectionately of course.)

Scott K's picture

Ha! A buddy of mine, also originally from NJ, loves nothing more that to give me shit about the Bucks.  Anytime, anywhere, only to get a rise.  WTF NJ???

So you can imagine what fun he's been having of late.

Dude went to ASU, and we were both in school in the late 90s.  So eventually, I just have to bring up the Rose Bowl and Joe Germaine, and he shuts up.  Jake the snake my ass...

And how appropriate now with Fickell and Vrabel.  Full circle schadenfreude.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

ASU and from New Jersey. Tough draw.

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Scott K's picture

and an only child.  yeah, he's got issues...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

ouch. strike 3. is he at least over 5'9"?

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Scott K's picture

lol, yeah, around 6'1".  Did I mention the new baby and employment difficulties...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

yowza.

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Pam's picture

Hey now, watch it with the NJ jokes. Me and Ramzy live in the Garden St. and it is quite lovely.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

one of my best friends from college lives there too......

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Jason Priestas's picture

Alex grew up in the Garden State as well, though he lives in NYC now.

Denny's picture

Good job being an adult, Alex.

Taquitos.

Alex's picture

Oh why thanks Denny

AcrossTheField11's picture

I recently moved back to Cleveland from Raleigh... Did you ever hit up Skybox on saturdays / sundays?

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

klfeck's picture

"I am an Ohio State fan and you can kiss my scarlet and gray ass".

 

I am seriously going to get that made into a T-Shirt.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

NeARBuckeye's picture

Get the shirt a couple sizes too big and put scarlet and gray on the tail!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

i was literally arguing this point the other day with my SEC homer friend...it baffles me and when it is all laid out in writing....it more than angers me

 

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

bukyze's picture

I agree - I even want to bash in my relatives faces who don't get it.  But I also know that noone outside of the OSU family is going to listen, or give us the benefit of the doubt.  We've had so much success over the past decade, there is SO much jealousy out there.  But if you are just a casual fan and read the headlines, you are going to come away with the impression that OSU, Tressel, and co.  are a bunch of sleazeballs.  First impressions are everything.  It's hard to change someones mind afterewards.  We have noone to blame but ESPN, Dohrmann, and all the other dipshit reporters who couldn't give a rats ass about being objective.  For example, until I read this usual great piece by Ramzy, I had no idea about the backstory regarding Tressel giving a jersey to a recruit - the press conveniently left out the part that he had just DIED !!  Uneffingbelieveable.  Ramzy - you bring objectivity and great written form to all buckeye fans.  Please write a book when this is all said and done to show the hyprocrisy and lack of objectivity from the media.  Keep up the good work !!!!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Couldn't have put it down any better, well said, er...typed.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Then, this story breaks.

Because we couldn't go for three.

beserkr29's picture

I've reached the point where I can't even laugh at how ridiculous this is, only shake my head and try to find a gun to put myself out of my misery.

Nappy's picture

Not surprisingly, most comments on there says this is bad news for OSU.  I try not to be a homer and look at things objectively, but I couldnt disagree more.  The part that stands out to me more than anything else was "The school escaped harsher penalties because it self-reported the recruiting violations and cooperated with investigators, the NCAA said."  Which is EXACTLY what we did and the EXACT opposite of what USC did. I think this is good news for us.

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Pam's picture

LSU had TWO 10.1 charges with show cause penalties and got no bowl ban.

Nappy's picture

Exactly, and you could argue that they only received scholarship reductions because the violations occured during recruiting. 

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tampa buckeye's picture

Like I've been saying for the last two weeks.  There is not going to be a bowl ban.  

Bucksfan's picture

It also said this:

According to an earlier LSU report on the matter, Segar spent weeks pressing for answers and made the decision to bar Hicks from traveling to LSU's 2009 season-opening game at Washington because she was unsatisfied with the information she had received.

"That was critical," said Thomas, who is also the commissioner of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference. "If that had not been done, the institution could have really been under more severe and serious penalties as well."

That is what does not bode well for Ohio State...that 5 players were knowingly ineligible, played in games, then the coach lied about it during NCAA investigations.  The only thing that would have put OSU's efforts on par with LSU would have been for Tressel to have reported the violations when he found out, then suspend the 5 players for games ON TOP OF Ohio State conducting a thorough investigation into the matter.  It still would have been a media frenzy, though, because it involved 5 starters at a top-5 program, including hot topic Heisman candidate Terrelle Pryor.

Bucks's picture

The 5 players have been issued their punishment seperately, a magician waved his wand and now last year didn't occur, there is no trail leading to the institution failing/knowing, the coach is gone & one of the main players is gone, we self-reported and allowed the NCAA to have free reign into whatever they needed.

Again, we're fine. So tired of people buying into the hype that we are about to get a roundhouse blow. Not going to happen.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

no, death penalty.

 

/PSU-IOWA Fan'd

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Bucks's picture

Haha. I'm personally looking forward to the finality of this just so I can sit back and watch the incredulous reaction by media & any fan of a school we have a tendency to dominate left and right. If only I could get Jason to do a live chat session that day, the comedy of people coming here to flip out will be lovely.

Bucks's picture

Book Mark May & Bruce Hooley =0P

bukyze's picture

And Brooksy.  No, wait.  He'll still get the story wrong.

biggy84's picture

Where is the number 5 coming from? Didn't Cicero only alert about 2 players? Weren't the others discovered in the ncaa investigation?

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

WRONG WRONG WRONG

 

Those five players were not knowingly ineligble to tOSU.  Only to Tressel.  Again, the school only discovered the problem TWO YEARS AFTER THE FACT AND AFTER THE REGULAR SEASON AT THAT.  And THE SUGAR BOWL requested that they be reinstated for the bowl game for TV ratings reasons.  AND THE NCAA agreed.  Nowhere does that inply that the University deserves to take another bullet.

I bet you were the inspiration for the Saturday Night Live character Debbie Downer.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

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biggy84's picture

I was thinking it wasn't 5.

Bucksfan's picture

NO!  The NCAA investigation in December did not uncover that Tressel knew they were ineligible and subsequently played them in games!  Why do you guys keep thinking that the December NCAA ruling is in some way a case of double jeopardy, in that since they already ruled on the players then Ohio State can't get penalized any further?!  The Tressel email information didn't come out until AFTER the NCAA already ruled, and AFTER Tressel lied to them during the investigation.

All I did was point out why this case was COMPLETELY different from the LSU case.  LSU coaches were proactive in keeping that kid from playing football.  The Ohio State coach in question didn't go to those lengths.  Hence the quotation from the article that someone posted.  That is a CRITICAL difference.  Why does that make me a debbie downer when I can see a clear discrepancy in what some of you ultra blind homers keep hanging out there?

Nappy's picture

I was mainly trying to point out that when compliance and Smith found out about the violations, they went straight to the NCAA and cooperated throughout the investigation.  The NCAA stated they didnt impose harsher penalties on LSU because LSU cooperated during the investigation.  This bodes well for us.  No one is denying that Tress covered up something he shouldnt have, but once the right people found out what was going on, it was brought to the attention of the NCAA.  This is where USC failed and is likely what caused their penalties to be more severe.  

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Pam's picture

Here is the LSU NCAA time line:

Did anyone hear about any of this until today?

2010
March – The institution self-reported initial violations to enforcement staff.
March 23 – The commissioner of the Southeastern Conference sent the institution's self-report to the enforcement staff.
April 9 – On-campus interviews were conducted concerning telephone violations.
April 28 – Telephone interviews conducted.
October 27 – Further telephone violations self-reported to enforcement staff.
December 16 – Notice of inquiry sent to institution.
December 20 – Notice of allegations sent to institution.
2011
March 24 – Prehearing conference with the institution.
April 16 – The institution and involved individuals appeared before the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions.
July 19 - Infractions Report No. 346 was released.

 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I hadn't heard anything about it until today.

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Pam's picture

Amazing that an SEC team with two NC's in the last ten years has been under investigation by the NCAA for more than year and not a word until they got their sanctions. No one gives a sh!t about GaTech, but LSU? Come on man

Jason Priestas's picture

News of their self-report surfaced last year, but yeah, today was the first a lot of us heard about an appearance before the COI.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

DEATH PENALTY

 

/ psu'd

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NoVA Buckeye's picture

ESPiN: Worldwide Leader in Selective Reporting

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NW Buckeye's picture

Great piece Ramzy.  While many of us have been incensed at the attention given OSU's bumblings we just have to realize that it is the ultimate kind of flattery.  Duane Long summed it up pretty well last week: http://duanelongreport.com/2011-articles/july/media-bias.html  He points out that when the British royals do anything it is in the news, but every other monarchy in the world is pretty much ignored.  That is because of the overall public fascination with the Brits.  The events in college football over the last 6 months certainly merit attention to other schools problems, but none have received even close to the media blast of OSU.  That's just the nature of being one of the most recognized names in sports.

It also explains the presence here of the likes of M1EK and others.  I am sure that they would not log onto an Auburn blog or GA Tech bog to post negative comments there, but they feel some underlying duty to come onto OSU sites to vent.  I would not throw MMan in with that group because I do believe there is a real kinship with some of our adversaries to the north.  While watching UM go through the RR years was amusing to us, I know that I felt their pain, and wished some sort of remedy for their troubles.  I did not wish them ill during their investigation - I have many UM friends who feel the same way about us.  

The truly amazing thing is that other B1G fans want to jump on the bash wagon.  Yes, the media really wants to bash OSU, but by doing so they are getting in their shots at the B1G.  I am convinced that they would do something similar for any other B1G school targeted by the NCAA - maybe not to the same extent, but they would still delight in it.  And I would view that as being just as biased as the blitz now against OSU.  I may be an OSU fan, but I am also a B1G fan - and I do cheer for every B1G team against any non con foe.  Watching UM lose to Appy State may have been amusing, but it was painful.  And I do believe that most savvy OSU fans see it the same way.  I do not think the same can be said for M1EK.  He seems like he delights in our troubles and would certainly be happy to see us lose to anyone.  What say you, M1EK? 

m1ek's picture

I'm here because you're relevant to us in a way that Georgia Tech and Auburn are not. Same thing with Michigan.

And I want you guys to win against everybody else as long as you're not cheating while you're doing it. I also root for you against Michigan most of the time.

NW Buckeye's picture

Thanks for replying.  Well said, and I can respect that.  I apologize to you for thinking otherwise.

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One more question for you.  I know you take a lot of heat for your doom and gloom forecast of the sanctions.  It is what it is.  I really don't have any idea how severe/lenient they will be - this is, afterall the NCAA!  With that said, I am really prepared to accept what is doled out.  My question for you is: will you live with the NCAA's sanctions if they don't meet your expectations? 

I am sure that question can be asked of anyone here.  I am preparing myself for a lot of bickering coming from many angles depending on the rulings.  However, I would just like to see us deal with it and move on - let's play some football!.  I guess you could say I'm kind of a "make lemonade" guy.

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I'm not sure what you're asking of our little nitanny buddy. Will he 'live' with it? You mean as in 'not start an arguement if cooler heads prevail and Ohio State escapes a postseason ban?' I don't have that much of a problem with M1EK personally, but holy shit, he finds a way take issue with almost anything. As an argumentative sports website commenter, August 12th is going to be his fucking Superbowl. He's like a peacock, man! YA GOTTA LET HIM FLY

NW Buckeye's picture

I just want to know, and this probably goes for everyone, if he can live with the sanctions regardless of what they be and give this whole episode a rest.  You know, move on, quit preaching.   I know that I can move on.  And, tOSU will have to make the best of what is dealt.  I am prepared for whatever may come and lets get to some football.  And, I won't be pissed at M1EK if his predictions come true.  Likewise I will not say "told you so" if they are not to his expectations.  I guess that is where I draw the line between worthy opponent and troll.  A worthy opponent fights their battles, voices their concerns and moves on after the decision. 

I know that he needs to fly, but I would rather have him dissing Braxton or something rather than complaining about the decision or coming on here and saying "told you so".   

m1ek's picture

It's interesting that you think my forecast is "doom and gloom". I think the appropriate sanctions is one year of postseason ban and a handful of scholarships. That's nowhere near doom and gloom. I think it's moderate and measured - but necessary.

Why do I think that?

Despite all this talk about supposed cooperation, from the outside it's obvious that Smith wasn't monitoring Tressel's conduct for years (verbal performance evaluations after Geiger noted problems with compliance? Really?)

If nothing happens beyond the vacating wins (which, despite what some of your more ridiculous commenters are saying, is meaningless), other schools will know they have yet another loophole - coach can do what he wants, as long as the AD can eliminate any kind of paper trail, and when they're caught, only the coach will face any blame.

And even then, you guys dragged out the coach's "punishment" in a way that sure looks like you're thumbing your nose at the NCAA.

Seems to me like losing at least one bowl game is necessary to make up for the one you never should have been in - and the scholarships ought to match the players who never should have been played.

So, no, I don't think I'll be satisfied if the punishments aren't increased by the NCAA, and I don't think anybody else will be either. I don't want the reputation of my school and our conference tainted by association with "boy, they got away with one there" like the SEC has all over the place.

Does that answer the question?

NW Buckeye's picture

Yes, that is an honest reply.  It's just that you seem to dwell on the negatives all the time.  There are extenuating circumstances here, and while I realize they might not amount to a hill of beans to the NCAA, it does give the "homers"a bit of hope to cling to.  Heck, the instances that Geiger noted were explained by Ramzy's post, but you only see that Tressel is only an age old cheater.  It may be shocking for you to understand that every coach stretches the rules, yes, including JoPa.  How do you think he still has pasta feeds at his home every week during the season for the players he chooses to invite?   That is a stretch of the rules.  The NCAA allows it because it is JoPa and he has been doing it forever - the do not view it as a violation.  Yet, if a new coach were to start a similar action they would get an unfavorable review from their AD.  Just the way it works.  

And, again, I have no idea how severe/lenient the NCAA will be on their sanctions.  I just know that they will be ruling on the hard facts that they have uncovered - whether through OSU's cooperation or through their own investigation.  And, much of what any of us assume will come into play may not even be relevant.  Time will tell. 

Your stance on the sanctions is not the doom and gloom I assumed.  Maybe it's just the tone of delivery.  There have been many forecasts much more gloomy than yours, including multiple year post season bans, gross scholly reductions, TV bans, etc.  The TV ban thing to me is the most preposterous.  I am not saying it couldn't happen, but it is the one penalty that punishes way beyond the offending parties.  I mean, would you be happy knowing that the OSU / PSU game would not be on TV?  It would punish every school on OSU's schedule. 

Finally, it is interesting that you want the NCAA to be harsher on a B1G school than they would an SEC school.  It seems to me that Espin has done their magic on you.  I still believe that the real target of the media is the B1G.  And now they have even succeeded in swaying other B1G fans to demand harsher penalties for their own.  I know that I would not want PSU to face any stiffer penalties than any SEC school if they should ever have problems.  Indeed, when UM was going through their fiasco I really wanted the NCAA to treat them fairly based upon the facts, not what was being reported by the FREEP.  And, the NCAA lived up to my expectations in that case. 

GoBucks713's picture

Welcome back NW!

-The Aristocrats!

NW Buckeye's picture

Thanks, its nice to be able to participate again.  The surgery on the 8th lasted over 7 hours.  I was discharged on the 12th but really didn't feel up to posting.  Kept reading though.  A lot happened while I was under the knife. 

Looking at what games I can make it to this fall, probably will not travel until Oct.  Really wish I could be back for Wisky and Eat 2 Brutus, but that is probably not in the cards. 

GoBucks713's picture

I was actually going to post in the forum tonight about you if you had not showed up by the time I got home from work. Welcome back. I bet you had a ton of stuff to catch up on! Keep calm and let's call getting better "Run Dave"!

-The Aristocrats!

NW Buckeye's picture

Yeah, I gotta run dave through the end of Aug.  No lifting more than 10 lbs before then.  No fancy stuff til the opener.  Let's hope Fickell opens it up then too!!!!

GoBucks713's picture

Just don't go blowing your "O" ring when Fick lets Braxton go Hulkamaniac all over the field.

-The Aristocrats!

biggy84's picture

Excellent article!

Sgt. Elias's picture

Ramzy nails it to the wall with Gurkha knives yet again. It must be exhausting being a better sports journalist than 85% of the hacks pounding out dreck on their Speak N' Spells.  I clicked on the 3spIn LSU article linky and the comments made my grey matter pour out of one ear: breaking my own rule not to give that shit-hole site any more hits was a mistake.  

If the NCAA drops a bomb on us after LSU self-reports two 10.1's and eleventy trillion improper recruiting calls I'll...Well, I'm still working on my doomsday device, need MOAR Lutetium.

 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

JozyMozy's picture

dat gif

 

I've never seen Mr. Ducreux in animated form before. nice

Jason Priestas's picture

As part of the arrangement I made with my wife to go to the Rose Bowl with me, I had to agree to visit the Getty with her while we were there. I don't know anything about art, but it was an amazing experience -- absolutely beautiful. Anyway, as we're checking out art, I see a guy in a self-portrait yawning and I'm thinking, "I know that dude from somewhere."

 

Memes: Teaching idiots about art since 2009.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

The Getty is an awesome place. It's just an absolute pain in the ass to get to.

 

/carmageddon'd

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

Jason Priestas's picture

On the previous trip to LA, we actually went to the wrong Getty. The mansion near Malibu. So, yeah, it can be hard to get to. :)

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Yeah, I drove by that on Monday on my way up to Neptune's Net. Great drive along PCH to the Ventura County line. Definetly gives you something to dream about.

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Sgt. Elias's picture

Hah-ha! That's awesome you were able to see that piece. His self-portraits are great. I wonder what the Baron Ducreux would think of his likeness being animated and used by Les Américains hand-egg fanatics via the intertubes medium?  He'd probably love it if his head didn't explode first.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Denny's picture

Jim Tressel knew about that painting last April.

Taquitos.

BuckPirate1981's picture

Growing up a kid without a dad, I often looked for a role model... rather than becoming a gang member or something to that effect.  Eventually I got to med school, was lucky enough to end up at Ohio State, and in the process came across a guy who wrote some book and came away from reading it a changed person, with so many concepts I hope to one day implement (those I haven't already) in my medical profession and life.  So then to turn around and hear that person disparaged time and again, so many revelations of his evil ways, that he is really some hippocrite... it stung.  It made me doubt things.  Here's this person I held to such a high regard really shown to be a farce (which is silly to do with any sports figure but heck this man was different, I thought).  But that's just because I'm in medical school and only have time now for headlines (other than the time I "waste" on websites such as these, but really, you try to build a rapport with your patients w/o mentioning Buckeye football), not the details of a story.  Not that those stories mention the things this blog post did anywhere anyways (note forelorn photo implying "man in shame believe all below").  When I heard about all these recruiting violations in the headlines Tressel had just glossed over in the past, it almost cemented in my mind that this person is a hipporcite.  His book sure had some good advice, but look who it is coming from.  After seeing there was at least some reasoning behind those violations he thumbed his nose at, hell, I respect the man that much more.  Having had a team mate and close friend in high school die way too young, I know the impact that has on a community and particularly that young man's family... it really is devestating.  I could not have been more touched by what Tressel did in this case and so many others.  Now I'm going to go on with the idea that no matter what the headline says, for whatever reason, Coach Tressel did the right thing.  I don't know the man personally, and only time will tell if that mindset held now by myself, and others, will hold true.  If there is one thing I can not forgive of ESPiN and the media's biased reporting (and Gene Smith also for throwing him under the bus - we'll see if MgoBlog's greatest fear becomes a reality), it is that many will just read the headlines.  I talk to people all the time who that's all they have time for.  And to them Coach Tress is a hypocrite, a bad person.  Years from now many will speak of him and because of the way he went out, he'll be a joke.  Who knows, maybe the wins will overcome this incident a la Woody, lets hope.  Right now a good man's name is being shredded for a "few bucks" worth of publicity. Sure, it sucks OSU is in the paper for something negative (which to be fair he played a hand in), but while OSU football will bounce back regardless of sanctions, for many the good name of Coach Tress won't.  To be honest, I find this more important.  And heartbreaking.  Thank you for writing this so that at least in my mind, someone I have grown to admire and respect, along with so many others, will remain what we thought and should have known he really was - a good man, and a good role model.  

741's picture

Hear fucking hear. Ramzy nails it again.

Maestro's picture

Just curious Ramzy, how do we know that the jersey that was written about in the Lantern article is the same as the one that Geiger repremanded Tressel for?  Not doubting it at all, but others will not believe it to be the same jersey without proof.

vacuuming sucks

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

Facts:

Humphrey dies April 30

Tressel provides the jersey in May

Geiger writes him up in June

 

It's a violation, regardless of Humphrey's death.  If it had been someone else, he would have been written up for giving two recruits jerseys.  The identity of the recruit won't be disclosed b/c of privacy.  It had to be Humphrey.  Couldn't have been anyone else.

RBuck's picture

Just curious. Why is it violation if the recruit is deceased?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

I don't believe there's any stipulation for whether a recruit is dead or not.  Not sure there should be either, but I imagine it's a similar reason to why you cannot give a jersey to, say, a recruit's non-football playing friend.

Maestro's picture

Thanks

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