The End of the Beginning

By Johnny Ginter on May 31, 2011 at 1:26a
A coach.

I don't want to spend a lot of time on an extended epitaph for Jim Tressel (we'll have plenty of time for that), but I will say that when a man who has been the face of your favorite team in the world for your entire adult life and a couple of years of your semi-adult life abruptly resigns in the face of mounting criticism and scrutiny, it sucks. But as much as I liked Jim Tressel, I love Ohio State. The coach may be gone, but the university is still there. And there my heart lies.

Haven't read the Sports Illustrated article yet? Here, I'll save you 15 minutes:

Ohio State has conceded that six current players committed an NCAA violation by trading memorabilia for tattoos or cash at Fine Line Ink: Pryor, tackle Mike Adams, running back Dan Herron, wide receiver DeVier Posey, defensive end Solomon Thomas and linebacker Jordan Whiting. Ellis, who spent time in and around the tattoo parlor for nearly 20 months, says that in addition to those six, he witnessed nine other active players swap memorabilia or give autographs for tattoos or money. Those players were defensive back C.J. Barnett, linebacker Dorian Bell, running back Jaamal Berry, running back Bo DeLande, defensive back Zach Domicone, linebacker Storm Klein, linebacker Etienne Sabino, defensive tackle John Simon and defensive end Nathan Williams. Ohio State declined to make any of its current players available to respond to SI.

Based off of interviews from two anonymous former employees of Eddie Rife, Dustin Halko and a man called "Ellis" for the purpose of this article, it is the central issue for a number of reasons. First, there's basically no chance in hell that any NCAA investigator would be able to find something solid on alleged misconduct by players years after the fact based on the testimony of a convict. Actually, now that I type that out, it seems pretty unlikely that the aforementioned current players would be facing anything serious based on the content of this article alone, either. But the Jim Tressel and Ohio State story isn't, as far as we are concerned, about anything that happened five years ago, or ten years ago, or even an allegedly rigged raffle thirty years ago (the very idea of which makes me recoil in utter contempt and horror).

It is about known, provable violations by OSU football players and whether or not Jim Tressel endorsed them or had a reasonable expectation to know about and stop them.

The release of George Dohrmann's investigative report was met with a lot of apprehension among Buckeye fans, and understandably so. When I found out this morning that Tressel had resigned, my brain did the same leap of logic that most of us made, which was that Sports Illustrated has found some serious dirt on the coach and the coming article was going to make his resignation inevitable. To be fair, Jim Tressel was a lame duck at this point anyway. Those expecting him to last longer than the end of the coming season were probably kidding themselves, and given the rumored internal pressures he faced from donors and other influential members of the Ohio State family, him stepping down is not altogether a shock.

The timing was the concerning thing, though. Dohrmann surely had found something big to cause such an abrupt shift from "Jim Tressel has the full support of the athletic department" to "I am stepping down as head coach of Ohio State."

What we got was something different. The first two pages of SI's expose are mainly related to past allegations of misconduct and violations during Tressel's tenure, specifically the Maurice Clarett and Troy Smith issues. But as our own Ramzy pointed out on Twitter, not only is this old news, ESPN covered it pretty thoroughly seven years ago. In any case, the case that George Dohrmann and SI are attempting to make is the idea that

The Clarett and Baker scandals were further evidence that Tressel was, at best, woefully ignorant of questionable behavior by his players and not aggressive enough in preventing it. At worst, he was a conduit for improper benefits, as Clarett alleged.

Jim Tressel being "woefully ignorant of questionable behavior by his players" is certainly a possibility, and one that I'll address later. The other, much more damning accusation is that Tressel was directly involved in improper benefits, and to support this Dohrmann offers two anecdotes from Tressel's Youngstown days. The first is the Mickey Monus story described in the ESPN article, where Tressel is alleged to have set a player up with Monus, a local businessman, for a phony job where the player collected paychecks during the school year. The second is an anecdote from Ray Isaac, who claimed that sometimes parking tickets would "disappear" after completing a Jim Tressel punishment.

The veracity of both of these incidents are, of course, extremely difficult to determine (given how old they are). But more than that, they are completely irrelevant. There is no pay for play scandal described here in the current allegations, nor is there a phony jobs scheme or massive and repeated recruiting violations.

There does seem to be a lot of players selling or trading memorabilia over the years. Dohrmann describes a situation where more than a few dozen players over the past ten years sold items to a shady tattoo parlor owner, and while the more sordid details involve Rife threatening former employee Dustin Halko with a gun and having him assaulted, the worst newly uncovered allegations leveled at players seem to be: more players getting tats for swag, Jermil Martin trading Rose Bowl tickets for a truck, Pryor selling gear, players eating chicken and playing PS3 a lot, and a for some reason unidentified player receiving a pound of marijuana.

All bad, and I'm not going to question the credibility of Ellis here; every team is going to have their fair share of Rob Roses and Ray Smalls who attempt to game the system. What has driven the largely dismissive reaction to this piece though isn't the lack of surprise that this kind of thing happened, it's the fact that nothing especially new was uncovered. The car scandal, thought to be the next step in this whole process, is barely mentioned. Aside from the weed, no real law was seemingly broken by players. And most importantly, no evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, is given that Tressel knew about any of this.

Which is really who Dohrmann's article is supposedly about. Dohrmann says that Jim Tressel is a coach who will "do whatever it takes to win," and the implication is that includes willfully ignoring violations over the years by his own players. And if true, that's a pretty serious charge. But I want to point out a few things:

  • One of the quotes from Ray Small's interview with the Lantern that Dohrmann failed to cite was "(It) was kind of hush-hush. I mean, you tell … probably your close friend, or a close friend to your close friend... As far as everybody just talking about it in the locker room, that wasn't really a big thing. So if somebody is giving them a deal, it was probably a situation where they kept it to themselves." This does not seem to imply that the gear for tats deal was the open secret Dohrmann claims it was.
  • From 2002 to present, the timeframe that Dohrmann gives for these violations, there have been hundreds of Ohio State football players. Dohrmann claims that 28 of them being involved with Eddie Rife is a "staggering" number, and while I would agree that it shows a pattern of misconduct in that regard, "staggering" is not the word I would use.
  • Tressel's own, admittedly half assed, investigation into the situation also seems to discredit the idea that he knew beforehand. If he somehow did know of Eddie Rife for years and turned a blind eye to his player's involvement with him, then he deserves to be nailed to the wall for it, along with Ohio State. I don't believe this to be the case, however.
  • No concrete proof can be given about any of the allegations, except through the pictures that Ellis provided SI, which show some of the players already known to be involved in the scandal, plus Thad Gibson, at Eddie Rife's business.

Ultimately the NCAA will have to make several determinations, most importantly of which is exactly how closely Jim Tressel should have been reasonably expected to know about these issues. If they feel that knowing about the violations with gear and memorabilia fall under that expectation, then Ohio State could be looking at the label of "lack of institutional control," "failure to monitor," and some pretty severe punishments.

On this, I'm torn. Any time there are violations that consistent, if relatively innocuous, there inherently exists a "failure to monitor" within a program. But to say that Ohio State has a "lack of institutional control" on the level of a USC, where agents and massive sums of money were being exchanged, is patently false and only hurts the vast majority of players who committed no violations.

Players did sell items in violation of NCAA rules, and once Jim Tressel found out about it, he lied and denied knowledge of it. It happened, he resigned, and its implications will be dealt with according to what the NCAA found out through their investigation. George Dohrmann's article should not significantly alter this reality.


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buckeyedude's picture

All I have to say is that if the NCAA bans Ohio State from bowls this season or any in the future, I hope all the bowls experience a revenue drop like they have never seen and a drop in viewership. Especially the BCS. Ohio State brings more fans that spend more money than any other team, Notre Lame included, and it would serve them right.



Denny's picture

Here's hoping that Hawkeye State does a statistical analysis that shows how many players were at OSU under Tressel and what percentage of those were mentioned in the piece, then compares that to the national average 'tattoos for swag' rates.

Good summation, Yohnny.


Hoody Wayes's picture

Johnny, we can't afford to be dismissive of this SI article. The NCAA certainly won't. Dohrmann has presented that body, the burden of proving Ohio State did or did not "fail to monitor" and "lacked institutional control."  And the NCAA will zero-in, on that question. Plus, the Feds are hovering.

Just remember when this story began. Did you think we'd be where we are, now?

I suspect it will be quite awhile before this ink runs dry.

Maestro's picture

Let's remember that the NCAA has already determined that the compliance dept did not make the memoribilia for sale a focus of their athlete education until fairly recently.  That was established in the Tat-5 investigation.

vacuuming sucks

OHIOinME's picture

I'm done with this.  Tressel is gone as the coach.  Let the NCAA investigate the players named in the SI article.  If more current players are PROVED to have done it also then punish them too.  Everyone is making this to be huge, like Tressel had some sort of meth lab or something.  Everyone is acting like Tressel set up the free tatts and used it to recruit.  If he did then this that would be a big deal. 

Let stop speculating about this or that and treating Tressel and his character like what happened to the Blackwater guys in Iraq (warning about the image).  Everyone is trying to reflect on Tressel and his character while everything is still being processed and investigated.  Reflections happen after everything is said and done with.  There are still loose ends to be dealt with. 

I want to believe that Tressel had reasons for this actions and they had nothing to do with Wins.  I want to believe that he truly wanted to protect the players from the criminals of the Tattoo Parlor.  I want to believe that Tressel protects his players from certain NCAA and/or University punishments when he can for the purpose of finding ways to punish them in ways that truly mean something to the athlete and would actually teach them a lesson. But, I'm not going to think about that anymore until all this is over, said and done with.  It's all turning into smut, like a romance novel for the sadistic, like a porn for character assassins.  I'm choosing to let the truth come out, then I'll judge the guy.

Bucknut-in-the-South's picture

Well-said, ohioinme.  Speculating outcomes and imagining motivations is fruitless.  Tress did what he did, he is suffering the consequences, and it is not my place, nor anyone else's, to sit in judgment of him.   Let the process finish and deal with the result.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

"The coach may be gone, but the university is still there. And there my heart lies."


Johnny: couldn't agree with you more. My affiliation is with OSU, not OSU AND Tressel. I'm only concerned with OSU's well being.

OHIOST1087's picture

All I have to say during this dark time is:


Also, to all tOSU hatas: It's Miller time (Braxton, that is).

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I just hope Miller, like all his predecessors going back to Craig Krenzel, gets the chance to play for something more substantial than beating Michigan at some point.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

NeARBuckeye's picture

There is nothing more important or substantial than extending this streak and continuing to beat the little boy loving shit out of Michigan. Losing to Michigan would make winning a MNC taste a little sour.

buckeyedude's picture

Do you mean draft Dane for the OSU H.C., or the NFL Draft?



NC_Buckeye's picture

The thing that really irks me about this article is the section where Dohrmann condemns the university for dismissing Tressel so as to get lighter penalties. Are you f-ing kidding me? Really?

First, every sports media outlet (as well as every reader/writer in the non-tOSU cfb blogosphere) has been criticizing the university for five months about how we have no integrity for trying to keep Tressel as our coach. AND NOW YOU'RE CONDEMNING THE UNIVERSITY FOR GETTING RID OF HIM. F-U and your hypocrisy George Dohrmann.

Second Dohrmann, don't act like you didn't play a part in this dismissal. The part that you and your fellow journalists played in this tragedy stinks just as much as the chicanery of the players  or Tressel's attempted coverup. What happened to fifth estate ideals of not becoming part of the story? Well, now you are irrevocably tied to this story. And I hope history won't be kind to you.

To any trolls reading this, I have a word of caution and that word is "precedent". If we get hammered, it's going to be as a result of self-reporting. The lesson for the big players (S-E-C) is going to be that there is no advantage to self-reporting: you're going to get hammered either way. So the better strategy is to lawyer-up (Auburn). Years from now, people are going to look back and see this as the moment when things started getting out-of-control in cfb.

RoweTrain's picture

Great work Johnny.

I'm just ready to move past this and watch some actual football.  We can't stop the impending sanctions from the NCAA, those will happen, but we can learn to move forward with them and enjoy some Buckeye football. 

"Just bow up and go out and play." ~ D. Lee

"As it stands right now, I know I am the best athlete in college football." ~ B. Miller

RBuck's picture

Me too. Post season ban or not, we still have 12 or 13 games starting in about 3 months. It's time for me (and all OSU fans) to start looking forward to next season with our new team and coach. If more players get suspended, so be it. If we lose more than a few games next season, so what?

Long live the southend.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

This list is getting very long very quickly today.....

Matt's picture

With Tressel out, I am not terribly concerned about the SI piece prompting even more severe penalties.  The NCAA, at its core, is an enormous bureaucracy that bases its investigations on paper trails, not on anonymous sources and the word of self-serving ex-convict/drug addicts.  I also do not believe that the NCAA will want to prompt 120 football programs to begin monitoring 105 players' bodies for new tattoos and audit payment thereof accordingly.  At some point, the NCAA has to recognize that there is only so much a compliance department can do.

One thing that does interest/worry me from a lack of institutional control point of view is the manner in which Ohio State was documenting the storage of its football equipment.  You'd have to imagine that there is some sort of master-sheet inventory list that describes how many helmets, pads, jerseys, etc. are stored at the WHAC.  The notion that this stuff was disappearing out the door suggests that some employee who maintains that inventory should have grown wise to problems.  I will be interested to learn whether the NCAA pursues a lack of institutional control angle from an inventory maintenance perspective.

Also, shout-out to Mo-C for telling Dorhman and company to go blow when they called him for comment.  I suspect he could have done some serious damage from a national perception-is-reality POV if he wanted to do so, and Mo-C of five years ago most likely would have.  Good to see that he has matured and recognizes what Tress has done for him since.

btalbert25's picture

I was going to comment exactly the same thing about the equipment.  I have a friend who does some PR work for the Bengals.  He arranged a for a helmet to be used at some event or in an interview.  The helmet didn't make it back to the equipment manager and the equipment manager basically reemed my buddy out for about 1/2 hour calling him every name in the book and telling him he MUST find that helmet. 

Every piece of equipment is definitely accounted for.  If helmets, shoulderpads, and jerseys were turning up missing all the time, someone knew about it and didn't say anything, or someone was aiding the players.  Over 8 years, that kind of equipment going out the door regularly cost the university 1000's.  There's no way people didn't know about it.

Denny's picture

Agreed on all points.

I got a bit sad this morning because a buddy on the football team had gotten me a signed football from Tress that said 'Dennis - Go Bucks!', and I realized that I'm not a special flower. The loose watch over equipment is rather troubling (and probably is tacitly encouraged by Nike).


Bucksfan's picture

This is just getting to be too much.  Can't believe I blindly followed this team for the last 10 years, falling into the holier-than-thou attitude that Tressel fostered.  I feel stupid.  But I'm not just peeved that it's because of my own team and our coach, it's because the whole sport is so dirty that it's impossible to clean up.  You can fire coaches and put a new guy in, but these kids are going to violate these rules and bring everyone down around them.  Coaches get pounded with pressure from all angles to win to such a degree that even the ones who try to be decent aren't immune to succumbing to win at all costs.

Until the system decides to start resembling one run by adults, you can't expect these kids to act beyond their years.  For me, it's no longer fun.  The system is far more corrupt than I wanted to realize.  I can't make apologies for it.  I can't defend it.  I can no longer rationalize financially supporting it in any way.

Thanks, boosters, for dirty recruiting these kids.  Thanks players for being selfish.  Thanks local businesses giving them free stuff.  Thanks students for worshiping other students.  Thanks Ohio for believing Tressel's crap.  Thanks, Tressel, for making a shit ton of money off your b.s. winners manuals written by God through you.  Thanks, Gee, for making a mockery of what Ohio State stands for.  What. A. Crock. Of. Sh*t.  And a big thanks to me for denying any of that was happening.

Denny's picture

Yea, kind of feel like there needs to be some easily-references Wiki page that's updated with all the miserable shithead boosters and business owners who give handouts, just so that we can avoid doing any business with them.

I agree with Bomani Jones' tweet that the worst thing in the article was the booster who thought he 'owned' Troy Smith after giving him $500.


btalbert25's picture

We're all to blame.  we get on blogs and talk about every move the players and coaches make.  105,000 people pay at least 75 bucks every Saturday to see the games, and it's damn near impossible to get a ticket if you aren't alumni or student or willing to sign over a paycheck to get them on Stubhub.  We follow them on Twitter then comment on what they say.  We buy every version of Jersey that comes out with the number of our favorite players.  Let's not forget we start watching their every move when they are 15 or 16 hoping they come to our school.  When the fan base is unhappy, it makes it easy for donors and boosters to say, we need to make a change.  So the coach does what it takes to keep the fan base happy.  We create the atmosphere that leads to the cheating. 


btalbert25's picture

I've seen a few comments the last couple of days and I need to share my 2 cents worth.

First, it really doesn't matter what any other programs has done or is doing, they aren't the ones in trouble right now, we are.  We need to get over Auburn, Oregon, and whoever else out there is being suspected of wrong doing.  That's like getting pulled over for speeding then telling the cop all those cars are speeding too, it's not fair.  It just doesn't work that way.

Second, there is no conspiracy against Ohio State.  This is one of the most powerful athletic departments in America.  Any kind of major violation, and this was a major violation, is going to be a huge story and covered a lot. 

I'm sad Tressel is gone.  I really liked his work on and off the field.  I do think he is a great person, but he definitely lied, and probably knew a lot of what was going on at both schools.  At the end of the day, as much as I like him, this is no tragedy.  Sports and the team we all love should be an outlet for our stress not the source of it.  It's a game we like to watch.  I look forward to Saturdays so I can have a few beers and forget about work, bills, and anything else that weighs on my mind.  So I'll take the ribbing on facebook, voicemail, text messages, and in person and not have much of a reaction.  There are too many other things to worry about in life.  The economy is rough, we are at war, and everyone is working hard to make ends meet.  There is just too much other stuff in life to worry about to let this profoundly affect our lives.  Not to mention, haters are loving it when they see irrational reactions.

The last thing I have to say is, this whole mess IS a big deal.  The players clearly weren't just selling their own personal property.  They were stealing from the university.  Jim Tressel witheld information and lied about it to his bosses and the NCAA.  We need to accept that Jim Tressel F'd up.  ESPN, the Lantern, the Dispatch, Herbie, Ray Small, Mark May, and even the Tat5 had nothing to do with Tressel making the wrong decision.  Every week that went by it was becoming increasingly impossible for the university to keep him on board.  Jim Tressel may be a good man, I'm not going to dispute that, but all this mess is soley his fault.  If he follows his own advice, and does the right thing, last season may have sucked, but we would still have our coach and August 12th wouldn't be such an important date.

Colin's picture

Well said, I pretty much agree with you all the way. Most of us are either blinded by our love of the team or by the anger for what just happened. Somehow I can say with confidence that I can speak as an impartial although I am a huge Buckeye fan.

To me it's not just that Tressel lied though, I actually believe the SI article when it said Tressel was either dileberately ignoring problems or he was letting his players do whatever they want as long as he didn't know about it, giving him plausible deniability (as heard on Mike and Mike this morning). I never believed this until recently, but he may be a man of character off the field but when it came to football it seems he wasn't any different than any other coach who is always looking for the competitive advantages...or ways to avoid disadvantages.

btalbert25's picture

I live in Kentucky, and have a lot of friends who are UK basketball nuts.  A lot of buckeye fans right now, sound exactly like UK fans.  John Calipari has always avoided trouble because he denies knowledge that his players did something wrong.  That's their number 1 defense at UK, sure his final four banners have been taken down, but he didn't know that Rose or Camby cheated.  It's easy to put it all on the players.  Let's make no mistake about it, Calipari has done a lot of great things in the community.  He's a personable guy too.  He's kind of sleazy in recruiting, but I think we are seeing that like you said, everyone is. 

Coaches these days, more than anything else are fundraisers.  I didn't believe it until the last few months.  Ohio State wanted to keep Tressel around sure.  He was successful on the field and with the donors.  Everyone loved him, and gladly signed over checks.   College coaches at major programs are like politicians.  They have to make appearances, give speeches, kiss babies, and rally the base.  Tressel was very good at that. 

buckeyedude's picture

 Sports and the team we all love should be an outlet for our stress not the source of it.    

I agree 100%. Best sentence I've read since this whole thing started. Ohio State, especially football, was my distraction from reality. I still love the scarlet and gray though and will miss Tressel.




Colin's picture

double bad

BuckeyeSki's picture

Remember when all we had to argue about at this time of the year, was if Boom and Berry would be used in the same backfield out of the Pony formation?

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Pam's picture

I really really hate that picture. It's ofensive to me

BuckeyeSki's picture

It was fitting for the situation...but my apologies Pam. I changed it

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Pam's picture

Thank you I appreciate it.  Suicide is a little too close for me

BuckeyeSki's picture

Not a problem Pam. Your always very respectful to everyone on here, the least I can do is show you the same courtesy

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matti's picture

couple things...

if one looks at the players named all have been rumored to be in tressels doghouse during their time at osu or were actually supended they tried to get a comment from izzary for christ sake. the mojority of these guys (who were questionable while being recruited) were the ones you heard about as soon as they got on campus

where was all the hard hitting information in the si article waiting for the mail to come to see if there is more in the magazine itself but i highly doubt there is.

buckeyes have not done anything sec ish or florida state like here i.e. no academic cheating no payment from university to come to school etc. that raffle thing in the 80's being put in the article is just filler garbage. as i read it it remended me of book reports i did when all a did was read the cliffsnotes.

the two losers mentioned in the article not even osu grads probably not even jvs grads both were or are going to jail etc. these assholes are the problems these guys are trying to live there lives through the student athletes.

i feel for all the stand up buckeye players who do it the right way because some guys tried to be more famous and live it up and tressel tried to cover it up they lost their coach and have their image tarnished

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

One major question.  When this scandal broke, it was mentioned that the rule that prevented players trading their own bling for money or services was a relatively new rule. (2004 or 5 I think)  So if that is the case, then the players from the NC team weren't even breaking the rule.  Lets get that clarified if we can.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Johnny Ginter's picture

wouldn't matter in any case, the NCAA satute of limitations means none of things would apply to the current investigation

Johnny Ginter's picture

one thing i should've been more pointed about in this post was that the article is supposedly about jim tressel and what he did/knew. my main problem with it is that as far as releveant,  current issues go, there is basically zero evidence that he did/knew anything beyond what has already been extensively reported on.

the implications for the program are way bigger than any implications for tressel, but given that the NCAA has to rely on proof, not hearsay, i'd be pretty pissed if this article alone changes anything with regard to future punishment for the university

btalbert25's picture

Exactly.  It was almost a profile piece on the contradiction that is Tressel, where he had some quotes from shady characters, disgruntled former players, and annonymous sources whose accusations couldn't be confirmed or proven wrong for that matter.  It really wasn't investigative journalism.  Usually, a conclusion is drawn from that.  Usually, some revelation comes out in a good investigative speech.  This was an article basically spelling out what we already knew.  It is not good for the program.  It may give the NCAA or Ohio State compliance department new invesitgations which may lead to more trouble, but this wasn't the article that took down UK basketball.  This wasn't the level of some of the work Wetzel has done at Yahoo.  We were expecting something really bad and we got an article that has us walking away asking the same question we already were.  Is Jim Tressel a moron who has no idea what's going on or is he the conduit for players and boosters to be able to conduct business.  A case can be made for both, but this article did nothing to prove one side of the other.

Denny's picture

I read this somewhere, and don't know how true it is - maybe you know - but if the NCAA is putting forth a 'Lack of Institutional Control', isn't the statute of limitations null?


Johnny Ginter's picture

ah ha, i had no idea about that but i just looked it up and it looks like you're correct:

Allegations generally are based on violations that have occurred four or fewer years before the time an institution is notified of an investigation or an institution notifies the enforcement staff of violations. However, the enforcement staff may allege violations that have occurred beyond the four-year period if they involve (1) the eligibility of a current student-athlete, (2) a pattern of willful violations that began before the four-year window but continue into the four-year window or (3) a blatant disregard for certain fundamental rules (recruiting, extra benefits, academics, ethical conduct) or (4) an effort to conceal violations.

so yes, it is possible that prior allegations, if verified, could factor into what the NCAA decides to do

chaoscrusader's picture

The question now becomes, does Gene Smith or Gordon Gee become targets and dragged to the firing line?

btalbert25's picture

if it goes any higher it will be Gene Smith and stop there.  I don't see any way Gee gets in hot water over this.  That's why you have an atheltic director, to take care of these issues.  If there is any fallout the only head other than Tressel's to roll will be Smith's.

BuckeyeBacker98's picture

I'd like to volunteer to man a rifle if Gene Smith gets trotted out....

Denny's picture

Well that's patently stupid on a number of levels.


BuckeyeBacker98's picture

I'll assume you are an expert on stupid...

Not everything that is said/typed is meant to be taken literally.  Let me dumb it down for you:  

I am in favor of firing Gene Smith. 


Denny's picture

Me too.


O-H Kee Pa's picture

A friend heard on the radio that Dohrmann is back in Columbus and that he's supposedly far from done with OSU. He's looking into improper housing benefits and free vacations.

btalbert25's picture

Maybe this time he'll actually discover something instead of giving a recap of information we've heard the last 10 years.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I'd much rather prefer a recap at this point.

btalbert25's picture

At this point we know the program is in deep shit, I'd rather get all the dirty details out now and face the music than to have to keep having details trickle out every year or so to keep going through this crap over and over.  It's pretty obvious this guy isn't getting his information through his own invesitigation and research.  He's hearing stories that are out there, and elaborating on things that have already been reported. 

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I agree. Now is a golden opportunity to reshape the complacent, decades long, rule book bending culture surrounding the program. While I think our penalties will be on par with USC's, it's this never ending onslaught that makes me wonderif we're beginning to sniff death penalty land. Are we so fucked up at this point that we should wipe the slate clean?

BuckeyeBacker98's picture

Hopefullly not.  Of course that probably won't hold him back when the "bombshells" of his article are based on heresay by disgruntled colleagues, convicted felons, and drug addicts.


buckeyedude's picture

Why would he be "done with OSU?" This is a gold mine for him, and probably very exciting in the process. He probably thinks he's going to get some kind of award for investigative journalism.



Johnny Ginter's picture

the real tragedy here is that all of this is cutting into potential posts where i make elaborate jurassic park prodies and the like

cal3713's picture

Just saw this...

"Bruce Feldman of has compiled a very early list of potential permanent replacements for Tressel, and six of the seven he names — Meyer, Gruden, Nebraska’s Bo Pelini, Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio, Florida State’s Mark Stoops and Missouri’s Gary Pinkel — have extensive ties to either the state or the university.  Feldman also throws in TCU’s Gary Patterson for good measure."


I know this is extremely unlikely, but we better not really consider Pinkel.  He's done an impressive job at MU, but I live here, and two years ago they didn't score a second half offensive touchdown in Big12 play until ~5 games into league play.  That is not a good stat for a coaching staff. 

NeARBuckeye's picture

Yeah let's put in a timing based spread offense and use our running backs as wide receivers.

Hiring Gary Pinkel would be spitting in the face of traditional Buckeye football. No thanks I like watching running backs built like tanks stiff armin people like rag dolls too much.

buckeyedude's picture

I went to the U of Toledo when Pinkel(after Nick Saban) was coach there. Seemed like a good man, and his teams win. Witness Missouri, who sucked for DECADES before he got there. He would be a good hire for OSU. Is he the best? I dunno.



NeARBuckeye's picture

That's a result of him being able to get some recruits. Missouri isnt exactly a hotbed for football players. Mizzou football is just hard for me to watch. That offense isn't my cup of tea.

nickma71's picture

Is the Mount Union coach available? I don't know a whole lot, other than the fact that he was winning more than Tressell was at YSU. If I didn't know any better, I would think some of you think he did something horrible and wrong. Besides asking people to do what is right, and not treating them like children.

Kurt's picture

Very interesting comments from Gil Brandt. His comment that Tress was perhaps trying to do too much on his own is exactly what a friend of and I have been noticing about him for a couple years now. He tried to be a head coach, face of the program, special teams coach, offensive coordinator and teach a class during football season!!! No other coach out there comes close to even thinking about doing so much. He's not evil like some people are portraying him to be, he is probably a control freak, a micro-manager and a work-aholic though. For some reason he thought he could take care of this on his own, just like almost everything else...

cal3713's picture

I gotta say, watching the Sugar Bowl on ESPNU during NBA finals breaks still gives me a lot of pleasure.