Does Tatgate Take Sweetness Out of Sugar Bowl?

By Alex on December 29, 2010 at 1:00p
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Now that everyone has had a chance to vent over "Tatgate", it's time to discuss the event's effect on the upcoming Sugar Bowl. Whether you believe the players should be eligible to play on January 4 or not, the fact remains that they will be playing in the game (unless Jim Tressel decides otherwise), and will have a heavy impact on the outcome, being that four of the six accused are starters. 

There are two ways to view this situation. The scandal can either hurt the Buckeyes in the bowl game by remaining a distraction, or it can serve to unite the team closer together in pursuit of ending 0-9. Nobody knows for sure how this will play out, not even the team, as the Buckeyes take the field for their final practices in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center before heading down to the Big Easy this week. It's time to take a look at both sides of the situation, and come to a verdict of what will happen on January 4 in regards to "The Tatgate Effect".

Tatgate Will Bring the Buckeyes Down

I can certainly see the argument here. The starting quarterback, running back, wide receiver, and left tackle all have done something wrong. They have not only done something wrong, but something sacrilegious in the opinion of many Ohio State players, coaches, administrators, and fans, by selling Big Ten championship rings and Gold Pants earned through the team's efforts.

There are sure to be current players on the rosters angry that these players took winning and tradition for granted and made this poor decision, as well as others angry that these players leave the team in a tough spot to start the new year. Do you know how many people would give their right arm just for a chance to play for Ohio State, let alone win a Big Ten championship or a pair of Gold Pants for beating Michigan? Those items are foundations of what Woody Hayes built the Ohio State program on and are the foundation of everything Jim Tressel preaches as head man in Columbus to this day. The players who violated everything Ohio State stands for have now lost the respect of all those around them, whether the coaches and players want to admit it or not, and this will certainly be something difficult to overcome during preparations for Arkansas. 

Then, there are those that will be angry about the NFL talk surrounding the impending penalty. There is certainly a good chance Boom Herron, DeVier Posey, Terrelle Pryor, and Mike Adams all could jump ship with a five-game suspension looming, as all four will certainly get a good look from every team in the league. Herron, being a fourth year player, is already rumored to have one foot out the door, while Adams could easily be a second or third round pick based on a solid 2010 campaign and an expected out-of-this-world combine. Posey didn't have as good of a year as he would have liked, and without suspension would likely be back, but he has the potential to be picked in the middle rounds based on great size and potential to develop in an NFL offense. Finally, Pryor likely would be also selected in the middle rounds as an "athlete", but as a quarterback, he has a long way to go. Whether any of the four starters decide to jump ship after the Sugar Bowl is up in the air as of now, but the media attention surrounding their decisions during bowl week will certainly stand to have an effect on "The Big Four", as well as the rest of the team.

Finally, we must remember that while we often put these players on a pedestal, they are human. They have feelings and no matter your opinion on what they did with the money, their sincerity of regret, or how they view themselves and their futures, this will certainly effect each and every player involved. Jim Tressel already said he saw a little difference in the way the guilty players practiced right before the announcement broke, and I'm sure the players are not "all business" as they come back from Christmas break. Having to hear this all over TV, the internet, the radio, and from reporters leading up to the Sugar Bowl will not help, and unless all of a sudden these 21-22 year old kids become statues that can block out the noise, this will have an effect on them. Can this be a positive and motivate the players? Sure, but chances of that are unlikely and I think this will be difficult to overcome.

Tatgate Will Raise The Buckeyes Up

While there is a lot pointing to a negative outcome from Tatgate, there are also some positives that can come out of this unfortunate situation.

If you haven't heard yet, there was a team meeting last night that featured the six guilty parties apologizing in front of the team. Afterwards, many players tweeted that they "love their team", adding to the support we saw from players like Brian Rolle, Chimdi Chekwa, Mike Brewster, and Travis Howard the day of the announcement. You know leaders like B-Rolle and Chimdi do not want to go out losers, and are going to do everything they can to keep this team together. While they may have their opinions and anger about what went down last week, these guys are going to try and use an "us against the world" mentality to bring the team closer together and show trust and faith in their guilty teammates to lead them to victory against Arkansas. This method could certainly be just what Pryor and company need in overcoming the distraction that Tagate will present.

While the talk of the NFL jump could hurt the team, it could also help. If any of the players plan on leaving for "the league", this will be their last chance to showcase their talents to scouts and coaches of the 32 teams. They will certainly bring their A++ game if they even think there is a chance of not returning to Columbus next year, which could end up helping the Buckeyes on January 4th. While we all want Pryor back next year to quarterback another Big Ten championship team, I might take a 2009 Rose Bowl-esque performance and guaranteed win over Arkansas if it means he doesn't come back to OSU after the Sugar Bowl.

What Will Happen

There are both positives and negatives that can come out of the current situation Ohio State finds itself in. The players can get whisked away in the distraction around them, or they can use it to their advantage and unite as one Scarlet and Gray monster with a focus to break down the Razorbacks high-octane offensive attack.

When January 4th rolls around I think you will see the latter. The defense will take it upon themselves to bring their game to a higher level knowing the offense faces the brunt of the scandal. Terrelle Pryor will come out running and gunning. Mike Adams will pave the path for Boom Herron's physical style of running. DeVier Posey will show why everyone thought he may be a first round draft pick one day. Jim Tressel will lead this team out of the gutter and bring them to captivate an audience across the nation and finally break the streak of losing to the SEC in bowl games.

Next week, all will be well in Buckeye land. A band-aid will be placed on the wound that the NCAA inflicted on Ohio State last week, even if it won't permanently fix the situation. What happens after that is not important, because for one Tuesday night in the beginning of January, the bleeding will stop, and OSU fans everywhere will be able to enjoy watching their team just get down to playing football. 

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btalbert25's picture

I think the whole thing won't have a lot of bearing on the outcome of the game.  Iowa showed last night some times the best thing to do is just get on the field and play football.  They may lose the game and they may win, but I don't think Tatgate will have much bearing on the outcome.  I don't really feel any differently about the game.

As for perception of the game, well it's pretty much a lose lose no matter how you look at it.  You win with a full squad, and it's because you played with a bunch of cheaters.  Lose, and you had a bunch of cheaters and still couldn't win.  Bench them and it's pretty much a given you lose.  The only way they can come out of this game looking good is if they bench all the players and somehow win the game.

All that being said, I don't give a crap about perception.  Most people who aren't Ohio State fans hate Ohio State anyway and aren't likely to give the team credit if they win anyway, see 2002. 

builderofcoalitions's picture

You're absolutely right on all counts. Funny how the shenanigans (secondary violations, over-signing, CAM NEWTON) that seem to go on yearly in SEC country never call into question their success, but as soon as something happens at Ohio State, everyone hates the Buckeyes again. I'm still responding to Maurice Clarrett jokes.

I say play them and beat Arkansas. The 2011 squad will deal with the hand they've been dealt just fine.

Because we couldn't go for three.

buckeyedude's picture

You win with a full squad, and it's because you played with a bunch of cheaters.

 

Tell me how playing with the players that Ohio State has played with all season is "cheating." This is SMALL PEANUTS compared to the Cam Newton fiasco, IMO. Don't tell me Cam didn't know anything about his dad's effort to pimp him out to the higgest bidder.

Maybe Ohio State should just go back home and forfeit the game to Arkansas? SEC fans...happy. OSU fans that are pissed about Tatgate, happy. scUM fans...happy. Mark May...happy.

Doesn't anyone find it strange that this came out just before the bowl game?

Personally, to the article, I have a bad feeling about this game. Why wouldn't I? I hope these boys prove me wrong and beat the Pigs.

 

 

btalbert25's picture

Dude, it's not how I feel, it's what people are going to say.  I went on to say I could give a shit who hate Ohio State or what other's perception is, people always hate Ohio State, they don't need a reason.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

For me, it has.  The outcome of the game depends on if the some of the Tat5 play or not.

 "Tatgate Effect" doesn't equal the "Fatburger Effect"!

btalbert25's picture

I was thinking about this and the only 2 that I really care if they play or not are Pryor and Adams.  Especially Pryor.  To me he's the only one that missing puts us from winning to probably losing.  There are people who can play in place of Boom.  Posey could hurt but likely Stoneburner and Brown would get more action, and I have no idea how often Thomas has a major impact in the game.  I don't hear his name getting called much.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Pryor buys a extra time constantly with his feet and it scares the living poo out of me to think what we would play like without him and that is a direct result of poor pass blocking from our O line.

Leanenaud's picture

If they put Bauserman in I'm turning off the television.

yrro's picture

Now, we have had poor pass blocking lines in previously years, but what is it with previous problems that makes it impossible to see the improvements that have been made.

The line this year has been *good*. Not perfect, not Wisconsin level dominant, but good. I would wager that every starter on it has an NFL future, provided Shugarts can figure out something to fix his recurring foot injury.

A pure pocket passer would most likely have a quicker release than Pryor as well. Many of plays where he creates with his feet exist because he is waiting around for a play to develop instead of checking down or throwing the ball away.

Sorry, it's been a pet peeve for me this year. Our offense has been good this year. Pryor has been a top of the Big Ten passer, and the line has blocked very well as a general rule. The fact that the fan base still harps on problems that existed in previous years and have largely been corrected frustrates me to no end.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I think our fullback deserves some of the credit for some of the blocking that is done. I won't disagree that the line has come a long way but it has room to grow. I have no confidence in it providing the protection needed for anyone other than Pryor at this point. I won't claim to have watched the line on every play this year nor do I think I know everything when it comes to pass protection. All I do know is what I think I saw this year and that was Pryor dodging a pass rush throughout. There were times when he had all day and then some to throw. I hope the false starts are over and done with too.

JBuckeye's picture

I'm one of the people who's still disappointed by the whole situation Ref here: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2010/12/five-suspended-players-apologize-to-fans#comment-88766

However I will be watching the game with the same enthusiasm regardless of the situation.  Will I tend to blame it on Pryor and the TatFive if things go bad...you bet you will..but that's my natural knee jerk reaction anytime OSU looses.

That being said, instead of OSU, has anyone pondered if ARK will be influenced by the scandal?  Maybe if they think we'll be unfocused and unprepared given the scandal and our history of big bowl meltdowns, maybe they will be the ones that will be unfocused and unprepared.  This is still their first BCS bowl ever. 

In the end who knows?  I think with the parity among the upper levels of CFB that any team could beat any other team on any given Saturday. 

Poe McKnoe's picture

I'd hate to play the Tat5 and lose.

Bucksfan's picture

SEC teams ride the shady train all year long, starting with oversigning football recruits, to shopping players around, to playing players that have been arrested just the week before, to accepting transfers from other programs that were kicked off their team for being arrested, to building a recruit's high school a new football stadium so a team can hold bowl practice near the venue, and all the way to paying assistant coaches about the same as what many head coaches make (something Gene Smith has described as "artificially inflating" salaries).

Cameron Newton.  Period.  He didn't sit out one minute of the Alabama, SEC Title Game, and is eligible for the national championship game.  Everyone says how shady it was that his dad shopped him around for 180K.  Everyone seems to gloss over the fact that the school in question was lowly Mississippi State.  That's like Terrelle Pryor getting shopped around at Indiana.  If that's the kind of shit that goes on at Mississippi State, there's no way the rest of that conference is all sunshine.

I don't like the notion that 2 wrongs make a right.  But, there's so much "wrong" all over college football that it's unfortunate we even have to make a distinction about it.  As it stands, the NCAA has contradicted itself so much that there's a precedent for hipocrisy no matter what they rule.  Remember when Tennessee wore illegal cleats in the Citrus Bowl in 1996?  Beat the Buckeyes?  Yeah...that game still exists, the score still stands.

So, Arkansas can kiss my ass.  They're coached by a complete dickwad in Petrino.  Their special teams is coached by face-slapping dipshit John L. Smith.  Their QB is a former Wolverine, who originally bought into LLLLLLoyd Carr's bullshit.

Go Bucks!  ROAST DEM HOGS!  Woo-Buck-Sooie!

Denster's picture

So, Arkansas can kiss my ass.  They're coached by a complete dickwad in Petrino.  Their special teams is coached by face-slapping dipshit John L. Smith.  Their QB is a former Wolverine, who originally bought into LLLLLLoyd Carr's bullshit.

 

Ditto. And if I have to hear Mark May's AJ Green argument one more fucking time.... It's hilarious that he's even using that because everyone thought it was bullshit he got suspended for 4 games back then. So if it was bullshit then, why is a 5 game suspension now not enough? I'm not following the logic here... and if the NCAA says they can play, do they really think for a second OSU feels obligated in any way to sit these guys down for the bowl game when they'll be sitting for 5 more games to start the '11 campaign? That's ridiculous. The only way that makes sense is if the NCAA says "ok, first 5 regular season games OR bowl game + 2 regular season ones". Then it's something to think about. But expecting Tressel to sit these guys for 5 regular season games plus a championhip/bowl game is asinine. Fuck off with that nonsense. The nation will hate either way.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

btalbert25's picture

Didn't AJ Green also have the involvement of an agent?  I thought that was what made his situation such a big deal.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Agreed, Bucksfan, on every point.

Because we couldn't go for three.

btalbert25's picture

Reading that NCAA statement I have wonder, who actually does get money from Bowl games.  Schools say they lose money or are lucky to break even, the NCAA says they don't make any money.  The conference presidents claim a playoff would make much more money and everyone would benefit.  So I have to ask then, who the hell is making money?  Seems to me the do an awful lot to protect the current system for a bunch of people not making any money lol.

Bucksfan's picture

I think MOST teams take a loss on their individual bowls, but not all.  The BCS games make a boatload, and not only do the participating teams make a profit on the appearance, the bowl revenue is distributed amongst the teams in the conference.  Iowa might take an small loss going to the Insight Bowl, but because there are 7 or 8 other Big Ten bowl teams, with 2 in BCS games, they actually make money off of the bowl season with the subsidy of being in the Big Ten.

At least, that's how I understand it, someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

NW Buckeye's picture

The money distributed to schools, conferences, and the NCAA is locked in.  No amount of success or failure in ratings will vary the payout for those parties one cent.  However, the bowls themselves are hell bent to keep their ratings high - advertisers do pay a set amount up front, but that amount can vary depending on the numbers - deliver what you say you will before hand and the money remains the same.  Do better, and the bowls can pocket more, do worse and they can sacrifice a little bit, but those variances really don't amount to much.  What does make a difference is how the bowl committees go forward.  Their upfront advertising (tv) dollars for future games is directly related to bowl ratings of the past.  So, they want to do anything possible to guarantee high ratings for each and every contest.  That is why the Rose Bowl jumped at TCU this year.  They knew that they would have to take a non Pac10/Big10 participant within the next 5 years as per BCS contract.  So, they acted now, while they had an outside team ranked as high as it could be - #3 - for their bowl.  Had they waited, they may have had to settle for a future #7 or lower.  The name of the game is maximize your viewers.  Thus, the Sugar Bowl really lobbied for the Mem5 (changing the name here from Tat5 because the scandal was really about selling memorabilia) to play in anticipation of maximizing the ratings.  They will probably already take a hit because of the scandal, but my bet it the number crunching prognosticators forecast that it would be far worse if the individuals did not play.  However, if you really understand the NCAA's stance on this, no amount of lobbying by the Sugar Bowl really mattered.  This ruling was in the bylaws all along, and it only took a word from Jim Delany to make sure they enforced their sanctions by the book.  Conspiracy theorists can have a hey day with this one, but that will not change the way this actually happened.  It was more by the book than anyone of them care to admit. 

btalbert25's picture

I really wasn't asking the question but trying to be sarcastic.  I just find it funny that they all say they lose money, or don't make that much off the bowls as is. 

builderofcoalitions's picture

They'll win or they'll lose. Either way, Ohio State has a sixth straight B10 title, sixth straight BCS appearance, and a seventh straight win over their arch rival. No other program can proclaim that same kind of success over the last decade, aside from USC and we all know how that was able to occur. Florida could lay claim to similar success, but they filled the police blotter as often as they held down a slot in the polls. So, this is merely a bump in the road.

2011 will start with a clean slate. The Tat5 will play at the next level or they'll wait their turn. Ohio State will still be the team to beat in the conference. A national championship might be out of the picture, but that's what I thought in 2002 as well.

As DeVier Posey said, "God bless and go Bucks."

Because we couldn't go for three.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Sorry to say this you guys are not gonna like it, but 0-10. I didn't think we'd beat them before the scandal broke. Its just one of those things that no one will ever make any sense to us. We weeds just as talented as our last 5 or 5 matchups that I watched yet we lost. Sometimes we were more talented and still lost.

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

Denster's picture

Omfg dude, do you ever say anything that isn't negative? Every comment it's the same damn thing... Jesus.

Sweatervester eh? What? A Bill Stewart vest?

GTFO.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

Doc's picture

I just watched The College Experiment over on FoxSports.com.  Josh had some good natured ribbing for THE OSU.  http://msn.foxsports.com/video/shows/college-experiment 

 

Doc

"Say my name."

JakeBuckeye's picture

Ralph Friedgen coaching against the ECU Pirates in his final game at Maryland.

Hmm....

buckeye33's picture

Which came first the chicken or the egg ?  The stock will go up if it doesn't go down. The Oracle of Delphi.  The game will be played & the pundits will decide after the final score is in. If we win, it will be because the team rallied to support the "Tat Five". If we lose, it will be because the "Tat Five" were a distraction.  It's either a win-win situation or a lose-lose situation. More than likely it's both & we'll have the same discussion before the start of next season.

NW Buckeye's picture

Agreed.  Much Ado About Nothing!

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Actually. At the beginning if the season I was one of the few that DIDN'T bashed the running game or the defense unlike most. The only thing I am "negative" about is tOSU facing the SEC in bowl games. Sorry I am not Captian Happy...I prefer to be realistic and logical as opposed to blind optimism. Sorry if that offends you. But I have 9 reasons to be concerned about our changes against Arkansas. Sorry, adding the subject matter of this article I have 10.

Sorry I don't wear blinders. But having an 0-9 record kinda justifies my thought that we won't win.

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

RoweTrain's picture

Last time i checked this Buckeye team has never faced this Arkansas team.  That would make them 0-0 against eachother.  I really am tired of people bringing up the 0-9 thing since every team is different and every year is a new year.  Leave the 0-9 for the talking heads and stand behind your team.  If you honestly think that we have no chance against Arkansas this year then that's your opinion and I respect it but don't bring the 0-9 as your defense as to why you think they will lose this year.

William's picture

First time commenter, but I'm sick and tired of the stupid 0-9 argument, no team was the same in any of those bowl games. Each game was composed of a different team in a different season, if you want to lower yourself to the same level as Mark May, Bill Plaschke, and Pat Forde then go ahead. Also don't talk about wearing the blinders when you're wearing them yourself, come up with a credible defense for why you think we'll lose, not the 0-9 argument....

btalbert25's picture

I totally agree with what the others have said.  You can't look at 0-9 against the conference and assume 0-10.  Each one of those games were different and with the exception about what, 2 of them, they really weren't Bowls Ohio State was happy to be in.  The 2 losses to South Carolina came 2 of the lackluster years the Ohio State program has encountered in the last 15 years or so.  The Tennessee lost came after another devestating loss to Michigan.  I'm not one who thinks Tennessee having Illegal cleats really made that big of a difference.

Sure there are excuses that can be used this year and certainly will if Ohio State loses the game, however those 9 games in the past mean nothing when it comes to the game we are approaching. 

buckeyedude's picture

I feel your pain Sweatervester. We were also 2-11 at one point too vs. TTUN. Nothing lasts for ever and everything goes in cycles. I know it's cliche. It's got to change sometime and maybe the troops will rally, if they feel like it's them vs. the world.

Or not.

 

 

blazers34's picture

Ive probably already said this, but oh well.  No, it does NOT take any fun out of the Sugar Bowl.  Im already sick of talking about it though, I dont give a shit anymore, and I dont care if these guys stay or go pro.  Just PLEASE beat the hell out of ArKansas.  PLEASE

iball's picture

I think Jordan Whiting should be suspended for verbaling as a 5star and falling to a 3 by the time he enrolled. SHAMTASTIC!!!!!

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Irricoir's picture

Negatives: Loss of preparation time. Our kids need to be focused and this has to interfere at some level with the amount of focus they must have.

Positives: Though I never thought it possible, there is more talk about Tatoos than 0-10. I don't like us going into a game worried about defeat. I like going into a game with something to prove.

Negatives: I don't like the last chance to audition mentality. Often this puts more presure on the kids and more mistakes occur.

Positives: Every game day is an audition for the Buckeyes. Hopefuly this being the "Last One" will have little negative impact.

I would hate to think that a "Semi" crisis like this would have to bring our team CLOSER together. After a full season and a conference championship they should be as tight as posible already. I think losing to a good Wisconsin team was greater fiasco than this. This was kids being stupid and making mistakes what I believe to be a few years ago. Does anyone know when the actual transactions took place? I haven't read that but know which Championship Rings and Gold Pants were sold. Rules are rules but the punishment seems a bit severe, especialy in comparison to the other BS the NCAA made a decision on.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

JakeBuckeye's picture

The violations were committed in 2008, when most (if not all, I'm not sure though) of the players were freshman. That's why I'm finding it easy to forgive them.

William's picture

I don't even see why we're discussing the need to forgive them, they didn't commit a criminal act, they didn't cheat either. They performed an act that we do all they time, they contributed to our nation's system of free enterprise, aren't we as a nation dependent on capitalism? If anything isn't it a little unconstitutional for the NCAA to deem what and what you cannot do with your property, seems like that violates the bill of rights. It may have cast a shadow on Ohio State, but only the idiotic haters such as Mark May will bash us continuously, and who cares what people say about OSU, as a fan I know that Ohio State is an institution that has greater integrity than most in the nation. If anything we should not be questioning the players actions, but the absolute hypocrisy that is the NCAA....

luckynewman13's picture

I respect the Buckeye love, but that's not how this government works. The Constitution limits the powers of the US government, not the powers of the governing body of the NCAA.

Bucksfan's picture

A more pressing matter...why is it that there haven't been any Arkansas Razorback trolls littering our boards?  For that matter, where are all the bandwagon SEC fans calling us cheaters for playing ineligible guys?  I'm shocked that our biggest haters shouting 0-9 in our faces here are our own fans.

(insert joke about how there are no computers in the state of Arkansas)

William's picture

It is disturbing as it seems that our largest detractors are our own fans now, in other news Illinois is beating down Baylor, 2-0 for the Big Ten?

JakeBuckeye's picture

My God, Spielman is football-orgasmic in the booth.

Reens's picture

"That ref came in waving his hands like he thought he won the lottery".

Gotta love Spielman.

blazers34's picture

Um, UT-Martin is beating UT at half time.  yes, the same team OSU beat 100-40.  Wow.

Hoody Wayes's picture

What are they wearing? Home or away jersey? 

Kennywayne34's picture

Spielman is fucking hilarious. Talkin about goin back to the 80's film on how to manage the coaches wired headset!!!!! He is doing a great job.

Kennywayne34's picture

Spielman is saying that JT probably won't start the "boys" and probably wouldn't say anything untill game time.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Spiels says sit the tat5. I'll support whatever Tress does.

JakeBuckeye's picture

If there's one opinion I respect at ESPN, its Spielman.

In fact, I think that is the only one, and I have a lot of respect for it.

poguemahone's picture

You know, I hope all these people calling for Tress to sit these guys aren't all OUTRAGED if he does and we get blown out of the water by Arkansas (which we would, inevitably).

tampa buckeye's picture

Isn't five games enough?  They didn't cheat, or knock someone out after a game.  They didn't get a drug charge or dui.  

We win with or without them.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

5 games is too fing much!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Im not sure I can watch....

k-chiz-10's picture

C'mon ! "we get blown out of the water by Arkansas(which we would inevitably)"

 "This is Arkansas we're talking about. It's not like it's Florida or something, we zip in we zip out,its like going into Wisconsin its not like its Moscow,Wait we got our ass kicked in Wisconsin once. We gotta go Russell, yea!"...... B  U  C  K  E  Y  E  TRAINING SIR ! Who saw old Yeller....who cried when old Yeller died! ....nobody cried,  I balled my eyes out!

Lighten up people :) Enjoy the game, we'll be fine whatever Tress decides. Our defense is unaffected, and Mallet is prone to turnovers in big games. We can win with or without the five, Just like we could lose with or without them. Just watch and cheer and be proud to be a part of Buckeye Nation.....win or lose! HOG ROAST TIME!

***************I BLEED SCARLET AND GRAY !********************

poguemahone's picture

I'm not sure how serious you're being, but I don't think we should underestimate Arkansas. I think we win with these guys in the game, but if they sit, I can't see it being any less than a 20-point decision in Arkansas' favor.

k-chiz-10's picture

I was mostly joking, a takeoff of on the movie Stripes. I am totally serious that we could win without the 5. I don't take Ark. lightly just know they aren't world beaters either. Look at Iowa losing those players and still beating a good Missouri team. Bowl games are always up in the air. Who comes in more focused and with a good game plan usually wins. I truly believe our D will rattle Mallet enough that turnovers will play a big part in who wins.

***************I BLEED SCARLET AND GRAY !********************

buckeyedude's picture

Amen, brotha Sam!

Why the fuck should Tressel punish these boys MORE than the NCAA says we should?! What a bunch of self-righteous, holier-than-thou, pompous jerks! Who are we to judge? I think this whole thing is blown way out of proportion. Especially when compared to the Newton fiasco, which had the potential to evolve into another Reggie Bush violation.

Let the kids play!THEY SOLD THEIR OWN FREAKIN' PROPERTY! Yes, it was theirs! And they had a RIGHT to sell it, IF THIS IS STILL A FREE COUNTRY, whether Spielman, Herbstriet, Mark May and the NCAA say so or not! Does the NCAA wear black robes?

I don't give a shit if TP wants to sell his jock strap on e-bay. If someone wants to buy it, so the frick what?

How much do you think Tressel's game day vest would sell for on e-bay?

 

 

matti's picture

i feel tressel will tressel ball the 1st quater with the tat5 benched and go from there but they will play in the game. call me a homer but even without them playing at all i think they can still beat arkansas jvs university

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Double-douche, Craig James and the other Palmer

blazers34's picture

Dont you think the cat would be out of the bag if these guys werent playing?  I mean, you'd HAVE to give Bauserman all the practice snaps

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

No. That would advantage the enemy. I'm not sure we will know until game time. Is there a press conference prior to the game?

btalbert25's picture

So you'd give advantage to Arkansas by letting them know Bauserman is starting?  There is absolutely nothing to prepare for with him.  Hyde or Berry could have a break out though while Bauserman is in there handing the ball off.

blazers34's picture

no, my point would be that there are 80 something young guys on the team. One of them would run their mouth on twitter or something or other.  Also, are all the SB practices closed?  I have no idea about that, I just think we would have heard if Bauserman was getting all the snaps. 

Hoody Wayes's picture

It's fair and reasonable for Spielman - in his capacity as a broadcaster - to opine on the subject of Tressel's ultimate decision, regarding Sugar Bowl suspensions.

And despite the venerable position Chris Spielman occupies in the Buckeye Universe, I absolutely disagree with him.

Let the lads play! 

Bobcat04's picture

It's an if: then statement. If Bauserman plays any more than mop-up time: then we lose the game. Simple as that. I heard Spiels say "sit them" too, but to do so simply mails in the bowl game. Hands down. As said above, might as well not even watch the slaughter. I don't feel as awful about the suspension time next year, as Graham and Miller will have a full year to prepare, but we're f'n SUNK in the bowl if Pryor and Adams don't play.

Arkansas Buckeye's picture

This whole thread is bad juju.  It is exactly the kind of distraction that I am hoping the players are able to avoid. 

The only thing that matters next tuesday night is to just win, baby.

Just that.

Gawd I hate the Razorbacks.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

buckeyedude's picture

I think it's time to lighten things up a bit:

A new law recently passed in Arkansas:
When a couple gets divorced, they're still brother and sister.
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Q: What's the best thing to ever come out of Arkansas?
A: I-40.
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Two Arkansans are walking down different ends of a street toward each other, and one is carrying a sack. When they meet, one says, "Hey Tommy Ray, what'cha got in th' bag?"
"Jus' some chickens."
"If I guesses how many they are, can I have one?"
"Shoot, ya guesses right and I'll give you both of them."
 

 

 

Chris Lauderback's picture

Anybody see that catch by Blackmon? Sick

tampa buckeye's picture

Evan Turner 23pts tonight

Type G's picture

Best way for these players to redeem themselves after Tatgate is to win. They know that and the fans know as well. I'm actually more worried about the coaching/play calling. Hopefully Tress will open it up like in the Rose Bowl last season so we can smash like Hulk.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"