The Banhammer Has Dropped

By Jason Priestas on December 23, 2010 at 12:21p
285 Comments
Just $350?$350

Do you want the good news or the bad news first?  Good news you say? Well, it appears as if Ohio State won't be trotting out the Joe Bauserman to Taurian Washington connection in the Sugar Bowl. The bad news: Terrelle Pryor, Mike Adams, Boom Herron, Devier Posey and Solomon Thomas were all suspended for the first five games of the 2011 season for NCAA violations. Jordan Whiting was also suspended for the opener.

The NCAA ruled the players would be able to play in the Sugar Bowl because "the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred". In response, AD Gene Smith said the university will "further enhance" its rules education in the future. The standard withholding condition in cases like these is four games or 30 percent of a season. A fifth game was added because the players did not immediately disclose the violations when presented with appropriate rules education. The players were first ruled ineligible on Monday, December 20th and requested a reinstatement from the NCAA.

The violations:

  • Mike Adams must repay $1,000 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring.
  • Boom Herron must repay $1,150 for selling his football jersey, pants and shoes for $1,000 and receiving discounted services for $150.
  • DeVier Posey must repay $1,250 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,200 and receiving discounted services worth $50.
  • Terrelle Pryor must repay $2,500 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring, a 2009 Fiesta Bowl sportsmanship award and his 2008 Gold Pants.
  • Solomon Thomas must repay $1,505 for selling his 2008 Big Ten championship ring for $1,000, his 2008 Gold Pants for $350 and receiving discounted services for $155.

Gene Smith called it "severe" and said the university will appeal the decision, but this is not a pretty situation, to say the least.

Adams, Herron, Posey and Pryor will all be seniors next season and all figure to have futures in the NFL, so there's a risk the suspensions, if not greatly reduced, will lead to some players bolting early for the League. Tressel did point out that now would not be the best of times for the players to be "going on a job interview", so we'll have to wait and see.

While all of the charges sting, the fact that players sold Gold Pants is perhaps most damning and will probably go a long way to tipping those that have supported Pryor beyond all of the gaffes and breakdowns in play to the other side, where some were actually looking forward to the Braxton Miller era.

It's also worth pointing out that Dave Biddle was right from the start, as were our sources, with the connection to the tattoo parlor and law enforcement (US Attorney instead of the IRS, though), which Gene Smith confirmed.

Merry Christmas!

285 Comments

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ToledoBuckeye's picture

What a bunch of A**Holes.  How you you sell that stuff?  I thought about the tatoos earlier this year and thought their was no way they can afford all that ink.  This is just sad that they would do this and now I am sure they will go pro.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

blazers34's picture

Pryor said he was trying to help his mom.

yrro's picture

Yeah, his mom who is currently living with him in a low-rent apartment near campus because she can barely support herself.

Don't judge the kid too harshly.

Poe McKnoe's picture

That's fine, but he's sporting a couple grand in ink (market rate, not Fine Line Ink rate) on his body.

yrro's picture

Wonder which tats they bought with it?

Trading a ring you'll never wear for a tattoo commemorating the same event?

dan_isaacs's picture

No, I'm mad!  My team might not be AWESOME for a few games.  People who don't like me will have more reason to make fun.  I MUST MAKE JUDGEMENTS!  This team is a huge part of my identity.   I must vilify these teenagers!  It's the only way I know how to deal with my fear.

Dan Isaacs

poguemahone's picture

Those first five games next season: Akron, Toledo, Miami, Colorado, Michigan State

I personally can't see us going better than 3-2 with Bauserman quarterbacking those games.

Colin's picture

Bauserman? It's Miller time baby!

poguemahone's picture

I can't see us going better than 3-2 with a true freshman, either. Hell, a true freshman could cost us the Colorado game.

Johnny Ginter's picture

really? colorado is absolutely terrible

poguemahone's picture

True freshman. Possibly as raw of a passer as TP was coming out of high school. Starting running back, wide receiver and LT on the sidelines. 

It's certainly possible.

TLB's picture

He is a much better passer than Pryor was coming out of high school.  Possibly better now.  But that debate is for a  different time.

Colin's picture

Most "experts" say the main difference between Braxton and Terrelle coming out of high school is that Terrelle was a better athlete but Braxton is much more polished as a passer.

Tim's picture

Isn't Miller a December grad who will be in spring ball?  That would go a long way for getting him ready if he'll be starting next season.

Colin's picture

Correct. This will be a very interesting spring game.

Colin's picture

Yeah but I already think Miller's decision making has to be better than Joe's...which consists of checking off first option then tucking the ball and running for his life, or throwing an interception.

dan_isaacs's picture

Um, Kenny Guiton, FTW.

And all those games are winnable.  With KG, Rod Smith, Jordan Hall, still plenty of WR talent, depth @ LT, and still a dominant defense.  Really, MSU is the only one that gives me much concern.  I'm actually pretty excited about the prospects of seeing those guys step up.

Unless of course, Bauserman does play.  Then I fail to see who manage to score any points.

Braxton redshirts.  Unless KG is teh suxxors.  Which I don't think he is.  KG or JB will have to be injured for him to burn his shirt.

Dan Isaacs

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree with all your points, except that the OL figures to be a work in progress. What are we looking at? Shugharts, Norwell, M Hall, Mewhort, and Linsley? Probably very good to awesome talent, but a very inexperienced group, with thin depth.

Next year's team will have the stable of running backs, give 'em just about any QB behind a good OL and they would win 4 or 5 of the first 5 games.

The other question is DL. Who knows what to expect from the DL? If the DL is dominant, though, they'll win the first five games by pounding their opposition into the ground, including Miami, FL. But that's a big if.

However, the inexperienced OL will mean losses (plural) in the BT.      

slippy's picture

Don't forget about Brewster.  M Hall and Shugarts (2 guys with starting exp, one with a ton) on the ends and Brewster in the middle.  Everyone loves Mewhort and I'm sure we can find someone serviceable.  Probably a rough start to the year like we always do then turn it up for the final stretch.

RedQueenRace's picture

Assuming he can beat out Bauserman, Guiton and Graham.  But whoever starts does so without Adams at left tackle.  Oh joy.

Poe McKnoe's picture

Meh, we've done fine without a LT for the past 5-6 years.  Ba-da-bing.

Sean N's picture

 Do you seriously think any of these guys are going to come back for 1/2 a season instead of just going to the NFL?  (Thomas excepted of course). 

TLB's picture

I hate the entire difficult financial times arguement.  Yes, times were tough.  But these guys know better and as usual, Tress takes the brunt of it.

Roger's picture

So when you win gold pants, bowl awards, etc., you don't actually own them?

Good to know.

These guys should have been smart enough to figure out that they shouldn't be selling those items or should take the time to ask about it. At the same time, I can see where a few young meatheads might not think that.

marvorama's picture

I think the key is that you are not able to sell them while still a student-athlete.  I remember seeing Lydell Ross's Gold Pants and National Championship ring (!) on eBay a few years back...clearly no repercussions happened from that.

TLB's picture

I believe there are no rules once you leave school

SilverBullets's picture

"You are who you roll with"

-Jim Tressel

BED's picture

So Cam Newton can take 200K through his dad, and the NCAA does nothing, but a few tattoos is a five game suspension?

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Jeff @ Fox Sports Ohio's picture

Six game suspension.  The Sugar Bowl was initially included, but reinstated by the NCAA.

That's what happens when your conference doesn't run the NCAA like a certain suothern one does.

Captain Buckeye's picture

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The_Lurker's picture

"the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred".

OK, so a lack of adequate rules education means it's ok for them to play in January but for some reason NOT for five games next year?

Seems to me just making them pay back for that stuff should be sufficient. Sheesh.

Kevin's picture

They deserve it. This is way worse than the tattoo stuff that we first heard of

The_Lurker's picture

I disagree that it's worse. They sold things they thought they owned, and Gene Smith admitted the university didn't make that rule clear enough until after the violations had occurred.

Jeff @ Fox Sports Ohio's picture

Leaders and Legends still sucks. Let's talk about that.

Blake's picture

Sometimes I just hate being a sports fan.

BigRedBuckeye's picture

Anyone know the citation to the rule they are in violation of? Link would be nice.

And we'll drink to old Ohio, 'Til we wobble in our shoes! 

BigRedBuckeye's picture

Rules: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf

 

21 instances of the word sell, and I don't see where selling something like gold pants or a Big Ten ring would be a violation. Maybe the jersey under 12.4.2.3 but that rule deals with Student-Athlete employment, so the violation would be to EMPLOY an athlete whose name was used in promoting the items sold. I don't think it speaks to a student-athlete doing it on his or her own.

I just did a cursory CTRL+F for the word "sell", so I haven't read through this. I tried looking it up via A.J. Green incident, but couldn't find a source giving a citation. 

And we'll drink to old Ohio, 'Til we wobble in our shoes! 

J.Mo's picture

Congrats TP - you are at the same level as Maurice Clarett.

Bobcat04's picture

That recruiting class (Pryor, Adams, etc...) has had a lot of trouble living up to their hype all along.  Now with this, we see that it's going to be marred forever.  As said above, they might have ruined their senior year before it began.  And that's it for them.  It'll be up to last year's class and next year's to be the new wave at OSU...

marvorama's picture

My hopes aren't up for the appeal -- A.J. Green was caught in a similar situation, getting suspended for the first four games of the year.  His offense was selling the jersey he wore in Georgia's bowl game, estimated at $1000....and his appeal was denied.  

The stuff these guys sold is worth more than $1000, so I would not be surprised to see the 5 game suspension upheld.

More than anything else, I'm dumbfounded that these players thought this was a good idea.

Jason Priestas's picture

The thing that hurt AJ Green in his appeal is that he used an agent as an intermediary in the sale. Not saying the suspensions will be reduced for OSU players, but the NCAA hates them some agents and that played into Green's suspension.

marvorama's picture

Good call, I forgot about the involvement of an agent in Green's case.

Buckeye Black's picture

A jersey is property of the school. So Boom is screwed, the other guys may get it reduced since they thought it was personal property.

yrro's picture

Yeah, I really don't get this.

Selling your jersey and pants, ok, that makes *some* sense as a violation as it's something that only has value because of your name as a student athlete.

But you can't sell rings that you won? WTF? So you don't actually own them then? I mean, outrage horror blah blah - but look at it this way, these guys have a whole handful of those rings and a full necklace of gold pants. Does the second or third one really hold as much value? You hear about people giving these things to different family members all the time. It's the win that resonates, not the trinket you get for winning it. If I were in their shoes and could get a thousand dollars instead of a piece of jewelry for winning my third title I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I don't really see this as any more deplorable than college students selling their Michigan tickets on stubhub for big $$.

This does seem to call for a suspension - but when it's this many guys doing it, and they even *admit* that they didn't know at the time that it was a violation? 5 games is serious bullshit.

Johnny Ginter's picture

one thing that needs to be made clear is that these guys sold their stuff before OSU made compliance rules clear regarding reselling merchandise/apparel/memorabilia

The_Lurker's picture

Right, which really speaks to a failure on the part of the athletic department.

Johnny Ginter's picture

agree. look, i'm not trying to absolve these players of any responsibility, but if the OSU complaince department doesnt tell the players they can't do this shit, and then they go and sell what they believe to be their property uuuhhh guess what, hard to get too mad at that.

TLB's picture

In no way is this the fault of the athletic dept. 

Johnny Ginter's picture

really? they didnt tell the players that selling their jerseys/gloves/etc was an NCAA violation. players go ahead and sell stuff, thinking that since it is their property they can sell it. they find out they're wrong, have this hanging over their heads for a year until this breaks.

if the AD tells them specifically that they can't do what they did, guess what, they probably dont do it.

TLB's picture

Kids knew better.  Coach and AD are taking the heat trying to get it off the players.

Johnny Ginter's picture

that may be, but unless there's proof of this it's unfair to speculate

The_Lurker's picture

One of their main jobs is to keep their athletes compliant by telling them what they can and can't do, and they failed to do that. And Gene Smith admitted it.

TLB's picture

Keep trying to convince yourself that the kids did no wrong, but they knew.  You knew, I knew, everyone on here knew.

dan_isaacs's picture

Yes, we knew yesterday.  *sigh*

Dan Isaacs

The_Lurker's picture

I didn't say the kids did nothing wrong. I said their own AD admitted they weren't properly instructed on what constituted a violation.

And...actually, I didn't know. I had no idea you weren't allowed to sell that stuff until after you'd left. Maybe that makes me naive, but I'm 44, not 19, so I can see how it's possible. Dimitrious Stanley said on the radio 'you just assume that stuff is yours and you can do whatever you want with it.' So maybe it's not just me.

That said...to me a Big Ten champ ring or gold pants would be priceless and it would be unthinkable to sell one.

741's picture

Purely speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised if Smith and the Athletic Department fell on their sword regarding the "proper instruction" issue avoid having the suspension begin immediately.

The NCAA press release clearly says normally this would be a 4 game suspension to begin immediately, but under the circumstances at hand: a.) the Sugar Bowl game will be allowed because the student-athletes reportedly we're unaware they were violating NCAA rules, and b.) a fifth game was added to the suspension because the student-athletes were not immediately forthcoming with information (i.e., admitting the truth) once the violation was reported.

The_Lurker's picture

I think the NCAA wants them to play in the bowl game for monetary reasons. I think if it were up to JT, they'd be out now and back earlier next year (and that's speculation on MY part).

I also want to clarify that these kids SHOULD have known to at least ask to see if this was a violation. I don't know if they DID know, but they SHOULD have. If Gene is merely falling on the sword to aid the appeal process, that's admirable. The fact that Dimitrious Stanley said he didn't know it was against the rules tells me that there's at least a chance that it's an honest error on their part. Poor judgment either way.

I agree with those who say that playing the 'tough economic times' card was ludicrous. These kids wanted to get paid.

rahsaan.hall's picture

What did they know?  I know that for as much money as these institutions make off of these student athletes there needs to be a conversation about unjust enrichment...

builderofcoalitions's picture

However, don't any of these kids watch ESPN? Didn't they see what happened in Georgia or UNC?

Because we couldn't go for three.

Johnny Ginter's picture

they sold their stuff well before anything happened with either UNC or the bulldogs

buckeyedude's picture

I agree, The Lurker. One would expect this kind of "Oooops, I forgot to tell the kids not to sell autographs and Ohio State memorabilia for money" thing at TTUN, but not Ohio State.

 

 

Powers's picture

exactly. so maybe there is a hope with the appeal.

consider me sick to my stomach.

Cam Newton 200,000 = Nothing.

At Most 2,500 = 5 games!!??

buckeyedude's picture

I'm not defending Cam Newton or his dad, but Newton didn't go to Mississsippi State, where they offered the money. And I don't think any money exchanged hands in that case. It was only "offers" of money. I could be wrong about that, but if not, big difference.

 

 

Poe McKnoe's picture

Well I guess TP was right that he did pay for his tattoos.  He just needed to specify.

I don't know which were worse?  Tattoos for Autographs or the Championship Rings for Cash?  I guess I don't care that they did either, it's the fact they have to bring everyone down while doing it.

flipbuckeye's picture

What a bunch of dumbasses. 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Just wondering why it took the NCAA from January to July to further inquire the Miss State situation with Cam Newton, but this went from rumor to suspension in less than 24 hours. 

Really they should all just say their parents really did it and they didnt know anything about it.  Seems to work in some NCAA circles.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Kyle's picture

I need a hug and a double Jack Daniels.  Right now.

cal3713's picture

Well, on the plus side, if we win the Big10 next year Tress will finally get his coach of the year award...

builderofcoalitions's picture

Nice. There's the spirit. Hello 8-5!

Because we couldn't go for three.

741's picture

You seriously think we are looking at 8-5 next year? Come on.

Even I might be able to QB the Buckeyes to a victory over Akron and Toledo. Handing the ball off to a stable of 4-5 good quality running backs behind a line that will outweigh the guys across from them by 30lbs on average can't be that hard.

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

Not so fast there. See: Ohio 2008. Had trouble from Boeckman, and if Bauserman starts (which I highly doubt) we'll be in the same position.

buckeyedude's picture

I'm not saying Toledo is going to beat OSU, but they do have a winning record vs. the BigTen, with victories over PSU, TTUN, and Purdon't, just off the TOMH.

Respect your opponents, always(unless it's TTUN).

 

 

OHIOST1087's picture

Ridiculous... you would think TP (or the other frosh of '08) would NOT sell his very 1st Big10 Champions ring. And selling his gold pants!? Hello(!) TP you don't get those anywhere else, you earn it man. I know you're from Pennsylvania, but to us native Buckeyes we treasure beating Michigan and those gold pants mean something a lot more than just ~$2500.

Anyone know if Kenny G is returning?

ERIC OSU's picture

Hahaha u r a joke.. so if I came from PA and went to Ohio state for four years I don't understand what the rivalry means just because I wasn't raised for the previous 17 years of my life in the state of ohio. For the rest of the out of state student body.... take your foot out of your mouth

poguemahone's picture

Yeah, I was born and raised in Columbus, and if I happened upon a gold pants trinket worth $2500... I'd sell it in a heartbeat. 

yrro's picture

Maybe not the gold pants, but definitely the championship ring. Wtf am I going to do with a ring?

ERIC OSU's picture

You know who is probably really sick right now is spielman.. he treasured the gold pants more than anything, I was listening to the fan during Michigan week and he said he gave the two he had to his mom and stephanie

Dethsyth47's picture

Eddie George i think once said he would give back his Heisman for just one pair of gold pants.

buckeyedude's picture

$2500 might as well be $10,000 to these kids if they are broke, and their parents are broke. Is it any wonder so many leave early for the pros?

I hate to say it, but the temptation for me would be tough to ignore if I were in their shoes. Still, I think they knew deep down what they were doing was wrong. They can't be that naive.

 

 

Captain Buckeye's picture

They all need to be kicked off the team.  NOW.  If they play in The Sugar Bowl I will never watch another Ohio State game as long as they play for us.  Jim Tressel will do the right thing and suspend them from the Sugar Bowl and the first 5 games of next season.  Then they will sit the bench for the rest of the season.

 

This hurts and hurts the program badly.  We knew what kind of kid Pryor was coming in and we got what we deserved.  Adams has been a bum from day one. 

Coach Tressel knows what the right thing to do is.  Pryor a team player?  I paid for my tattoos?  Go Bucks?  Go Bucks nothing.  You sold your ring, gold pants and your Feista Bpwl trophy.  What a bum.

 

dan_isaacs's picture

And if he did it to help his mother?  Is he still a bum?  If helping his mom is more important than trophies, is he still a bum?

I appreciate that many of you are angry, but you really have no place to judge these players.  They don't seem to have been told that it was a violation, and apparently held a reasonable view that they could sell things they owned.

 

And since this is the Christmas season, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Dan Isaacs

Poe McKnoe's picture

Hey Dan, luckily it's the NCAA judges the players.  And judge they have done.

dan_isaacs's picture

judged that they broke rules, but they weren't judging character, as many here are doing.

Dan Isaacs

Poe McKnoe's picture

Ah, true.  But doesn't it say a lot about their character that they knowingly broke NCAA rules?  Maybe they were selling the stuff for the greater good, who knows.  Unfortunately the NCAA doesn't care.

dan_isaacs's picture

If they knew, which at this point it seems they did not.  Now, I agree without caveat that they deserve the game they got for not reporting it once they knew it was a violation.  That said, I knowingly have violated the law a few times so far today while driving to work.  So to judge them as moral failures for not reporting their wrongdoings to the authorities would be a bit silly.

Dan Isaacs

AJ's picture

these kids are on scholarships...it comes with rules...you driving to work i dont think is the same thing...i thinks it stupid that cam walks away with a heisman but this happens to these kid...so dont get me wrong im not sure punishment fits the crime..but guess what they did do something wrong..run with the dogs smell like the dogs

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

buckeyedude's picture

I agree Dan, 100%. My first reaction was disbelief, then anger, but we don't know these kid's  personal situation. It is NOT a Reggie Bush type of violation.

Still, it makes the university look bad, and it couldn't have come at a worse time. Right before the bowl game. I can already hear the toothless SEC chants.

 

 

Bieterman's picture

If you think Tressel is so holy and good that he will personally sit them for the Sugar Bowl, and the remainder of the 2011 season, you're insane. 

Tressel will make them serve whatever punishment they get from the NCAA and then get them back in. He's a good man, and a good coach, but he wants to win.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Plus, I really don't think Tress has a say in what happens to Sugar Bowl eligiblity. The NCAA is so in bed with the BCS that there's no way they'd allow Tress to sit these guys and potentially damage ratings and sponsor relationships. I mean, why else would that ridiculous rule that the NCAA and Gene Smith keep citing even exist?

If Tress didn't vocally fight for what he thought was right when the Big Ten was realigning, I don't see him going out of his way to piss off the NCAA, a chunk of his fanbase and the rest of his team just so he can make a point by sitting these players and ensuring 0-10 happens.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Dear Captain Buckeye,

 

Yadda yadda yadda...You need to be kicked out of the shoe permanently for beng a class A dickhead.  Did they do something wrong?  Yeah.  Did they KNOW they did something wrong...EVERYONE says no.  AND YOU WANT TO KICK THEM OFF THE TEAM???????????  WHat did you want to do to Troy Smith?  Have him shot at dawn?

 

Here are the things that I am upset about:

5)  They weren't smart enough to check out if what they did was legal or not

4)  That selling personal property for $2,000 is infinitely worse according to the NCAA than selling your services for a quarter large.

3)  That tOSU's reputation as a corrupt football program will be touted throught the ethernet and blogosphere.

2)  That all the idiot tOSU fans are now going to over-react about everything:

      "We're goona lose to to Akron"

       "Terrell Pryor is worse than Maurice Clarett"

       "Fire Tressel"

 

AND THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT HAS ME UPSET....That the weasels suck so bad that the players no longer appreciate what the gold pants mean.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Pecos Helga's picture

Best post of the day. 

 

No, we're not going to lose to Akron. 

And Terrell is not Maurice, but there will be the instant comparison. 

 

I would like to say that I went ot OSU on an academic scholarship for a 4 yr ride years ago. Nobody told me what personal items I could sell, whether or what jobs I could hold in the 4 yrs (I worked all 4 as I am from a financially strapped family) etc.  I got a computer degree and went to work for Compuserve.  Nobody ever told me not to have dinner or talk to Compuserve recruiters while I went to OSU, not to accept gifts, etc.  

Needless to say, if you are an athelete, not another scholarship recipient, there are ridiculous additional standards.  And I think a fair amount are unconstitutional.   I hope they all sue.

Yes, I too got a free education based on a God given talent, but I didn't have to give up all my personal liberties, privacy, etc.  No, I'm not making what Terrell will make but I do think anyone who isn't aware this is ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE NCAA AND THE COLLEGES AND MOSTLY THE PROMOTION OF A FREE FARM SYSTEM FOR THE NFL are naive at best.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree with Pecos. Best post on this article, Todd-Not Boeckman.  You KNOW the Maurice Clarrett comparisons are coming. Prepare for battle!

 

 

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Wow man. I am disgusted right now. And it doesn't help that every asshat I work with is coming up to me bringing it up.

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Meh. We all knew this would happen eventually. There was also a strong possibility several of these guys would go pro this year anyway.

Beat Arkansas, go pro, and move on.

Either Guyton or Miller will lead the way next season. (No way Bauserman is given the starting nod.) There's still plenty of offensive firepower to put together a competent O. The defense will always be stout. (Also, notice that no defensive stars made this error in judgement.) Ohio State can win all of those first five games with what's left. At least the coaching staff will be able to prepare for these suspensions unlike Georgia or UNC this year.

Besides, two early losses will not kill the season. They can still win the conference and make a BCS bowl. All is not lost.

TP looks like a complete dumb ass after his Tweets. While I appreciate what he's done at OSU, I'll be glad that none of his records will be out of reach for future quarterbacks.

FWIW, Boom is the most disappointing offender as he was really the only true leader of the bunch. It's a good thing they have a stable of running backs coming back next year.

Because we couldn't go for three.

poguemahone's picture

We're playing at Nebraska the week after the suspensions end, and still have to play at Michigan and host Wisconsin after that.

This could very easily be an 8-4 football team

builderofcoalitions's picture

But at least we'll know that their ink is legit.

Because we couldn't go for three.

Ethan's picture

Agreed on all counts about the O and D. (Although I'd bet good money Tressel starts Bauserman. It seems to take him a good half a season to realize that his terrible, slow footed QB's are better off holding clipboards). 

 

Don't know what the precedent is, but with the majority of the items sold thought to be personal property, I feel like the suspensions could get reduced. It makes no sense that our guys got 5 for selling (excluding Boom) what they believed to be their personal property, while AJ Green sold a jersey and dealt with an agent and sat for 4 games. Not that this makes the players any less dumb for selling those in the first place

btalbert25's picture

Yeah it took him a really long time to do bench Boeckman when TP was here.

Sofa Kingdom's picture

Fuck the N-SEC-AA and E-SEC-PN. Fuck them all in there stupid little fucking asses.  And a Merry Fucking Christmas

TLB's picture

I guess we now know what Terrelle's legacy will be.

builderofcoalitions's picture

Does this put him up there with another #2: Chris Carter?

Because we couldn't go for three.

Wobble in our Shoes's picture

I didn't really blame them when it was only tattoos involved, but when you sell Big Ten Championship rings and a fucking GOLD PANTS CHARM, you're done. All of this "Real Buckeye" talk is mostly bullshit, but it's obvious Pryor is out for money and fame first and foremost; he never became the team leader or mentor that Troy was, and will finish his career as a mediocre quarterback who never reached his full potential.

/rant over

//Merry Christmas 

dan_isaacs's picture

Or that he has a few more pairs, and getting money to help his moms was more important than your opinion of things you'll never have.  Not saying this is the case, but I am saying you have no standing to judge his state of mind.  

Now, if he is a mediocre QB, then he's not only reached his potential, he's exceeded it.

Dan Isaacs

AJ's picture

cmon dan...what if he did do it for his mom...what if he didint? then why waste all the money on all those Tats up and down his arms...you think those were cheap...i dont feel bad for TP eveyone has problems...do you really care why he sold all that stuff? or do you just care because you want him out there throwing touchdowns to posey?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

So I suppose Boom, DeVier, Adams will be automatic to go pro with Pryor now seriously considering.

Ethan's picture

sounds about right

Colin's picture

If anything I would think Pryor would be the given. I could guess what he's thinking right now too, "great Sugar Bowl = 2nd-3rd round easily, at least"

Sean N's picture

I would bet on it.   And that's the real punishment here.  The NCAA is basically begging them all to go pro instead of letting them make that decision on their own merits.  All four of them are pretty borderline cases and so becoming 4th to 6th round picks will cost them money, maybe a chance to easily earn their degree, another year of freshmen girls, etc. 

Even if all of them decide to tough it out and serve their suspensions, there in no way that you can convince me that the punishment fits the crime in this case.

dan_isaacs's picture

I think Posey goes.  Adams, maybe.  But highly doubt anyone else would.

Dan Isaacs

BigFarter's picture

What a bunch of whores.

Party Time, Excellent.

Captain Buckeye's picture

Jim Tressel is a great guy, a great coach and has been great for our university.  I know he tries to run a clean program.  He needs to bench them for the Sugar Bowl too.

 

It's the right thing to do.

Ethan's picture

It was stupid of them to sell their stuff, especially while still playing for the school, but if they didn't know they could cause trouble for it, I don't think they need to be benched for the game. This could, and probably was, an honest (albeit huge) mistake. 

 

It's not like they made it rain in a strip club or went to agent parties or anything

TLB's picture

Totally agree.

 

eSECpn and the powers that be do not think like us.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I agree. It sucks, but how awkward would it be to watch those guys play at this point?

Ethan's picture

Less awkward than 0-10

Poe McKnoe's picture

How about they play and we go 0-10? Ouuchie.

They should be suspended for the Sugar Bowl.  However, they just got done with some of the bowl practice.

Bucksfan's picture

I owe Kirk Herbstreit an apology.

Sorry, Kirk!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Why, because he was right?  Nope, sorry doesnt work for me.  If he had a comment today maybe, but really what did he know last night when he started naming names?  Only the Cam Newton's of the world get consideration when it comes to speculation?

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Bucksfan's picture

Because I'm guilty of shooting the messenger on several threads over the last 24 hours.  Last night he may have actually known a lot more than anyone elseBECAUSE of his insider status at Ohio State.

Jdadams01's picture

I don't. Herbie is a sell out while everyone else at espn is a homer who shows no remorse for it.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't He lowballed us on national television during an irrelevant game.

BuckeyeSaab's picture

They should have had their dad's sell the stuff.

I'm sorry for not being sorry.

poguemahone's picture

You win the comment thread

ERIC OSU's picture

Now I think its evident why duron carter is not coming back.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Seriously though guys, I just feel numb.

And remember that weird, creepy spurned girlfiriend feeling last night with Herbie? Triple that.

gwalther's picture

You still want to be a Pryor apologist here? Leadership, what Terrelle doesn't have.

Class of 2008

btalbert25's picture

Yeah they guy sold a ring and gold pants that he has multiples of to help his basically poor mother, what an asshole.  Definitely couldn't follow a guy like that into battle.

gwalther's picture

Says his HS coach. You really believe that? I do think this kid is an asshole, and I don't think that's what he was selling it for.

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

You call Terrelle an asshole, yet I really feel as if that is the pot calling the kettle black if you are willing to call a kid WHO YOU DO NOT KNOW names. You're the typical bucknuts/radio-call-in Buckeye fan. Willing to root for something bad to happen in order to prove you right. I can guarantee that you don't mind one bit that all of this is happening, so long it proves you right. Just remember that he sold these as a freshman. He self-admittedly had problems his freshman year on and off the field.

gwalther's picture

This is horrible press for the university and the program: and you think I wanted something like this to happen "in order to prove (I was) right?" Get real man.

 

You must be kidding. I can't believe you would honestly think that about another human being, or Buckeye fan.

 

I think my favorite part of what you just wrote is how you criticize me for calling someone I don't know a name, and then call me- a person YOU don't know- a name, "the typical bucknuts/radio call-in Buckeye fan," which is akin to saying I'm an uneducated idiot, and then claim you actually know how or what I think about a situation; "I can guarantee you dont mind this is happening, so long as it proves you're right."

 

No, I am not the typical guy who calls in. If anything, after reading that accusation, I think you are. I already had a back and forth with you about this guy where I laid out my problems with him in detail in another thread. I wish him the best on and off the field, but he's shown more than once, through his actions and his words, that he has serious maturity issues.

 

There are a lot of people in Buckeye Nation who feel this way, so I'm a little curious as to why you've keyed onto me about my opinion regarding Pryor.

 

The accusation that I would wish something bad for him or the program to "prove I was right" is downright unbelievable. You should feel ashamed for suggesting something like that.

 

Go Bucks

Class of 2008

buckeye33's picture

If you're over your outrage and shouting, you might want to think what would possess an 18 year old to sell special items he will never be able to replace. You can direct some of that anger to the antiquated NCAA for rules that make it hard for student athletes to survive.  Everybody gets rich off these kids efforts, scholarships are taken away, if you can't perform or you need space for new recruiting class. Yet there is no stipend, pizza money or even gas money.  Unless you've walked in their shoes, please don't be so quick to condemn. 

poguemahone's picture

You get 2nd place in the comment thread, but only because 1st place is reserved for posts that make me laugh

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

But there is a stipend.  And their meals are paid for, their housing, their books--almost everything.  Although I agree the rules are antiquated and think this punishment is over-reaching, I will not excuse them because THEY ARE ALREADY PRIVILEDGED!!  These are not 2nd and 3rd tier players--these guys are Buckeye elite (minus Thomas)--how much special treatment do they get already?

The whole TP helping his mother thing really gets me.  Sounds like an excuse to me.  I just dont know too many college students who are supposed to take care of their families while still in school.  Oh, wait I did that, BUT I took out student loans and I surely could not count on NFL money to pay them back.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

buckeye33's picture

There are scholarship athletes that have come to OSU with 2 sweaters & 3 pair of jeans.  Quite different from the student who needs a U-Haul to bring their stuff to the Towers. Sure they get meals & books, but Friday night when the kids are getting pizza there is no money for that. It's not unusual for former Buckeye NFL alums, to help these kids with some spending money.  We're not talking boosters or agents, just fellow players that were in similar cicumstances. It goes on at every major University and is part of the unwritten or unspoken code.  You don't have to be from Cabrini Green or Plantation Florida, to realize that some kids have never experienced living outside of what they've know since childhood. We've had a couple of incidents where players mugged fellow students for cash and lost scholarships. Yes!!!! these kids should have known bettter....but tough to think what they have now lost compared for a few dollars.  I guess that's what happens when you're 18 & 19 years old.

AJ's picture

when i was 18 and 19...i was in iraq...i dont feel bad for them

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

+1,000,000,000,000

Thank you for your service

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Normal Buck's picture

Me neither (though, I was 20).

buckeyedude's picture

Ouch. Excellent point. God Bless you, America and have a Merry Christmas.

 

 

Nappy's picture

They should have done 2 things here.

1. Give the items to their parents to sell then claim ignorance, a la Cam Newton.

2. Give the tattoo artist $1. Then it cant be preceived as an improper gift.

Either way, regardless if its their property or not these guys have been in the system long enough to know this probably isnt kosher with the hypocrites known as the NCAA.

Fan of bacon since 1981

slippy's picture

That is improper because they're getting preferential treatment.  I'm guessing that's what the $150 discount for Boom was and the $50 for Pryor.

OHIOinME's picture

Tressel's new speech to all incoming freshman.

"The clothes you have on your back and in your bags, they gadgets and gizmos that are in your possession, the tattooed and the non-tattooed portions of your skin, the hair cut/style you currently have, any biological parts or organs on or in your body are no longer yours.  They are the NCAA's now.   Any item given to you by the NCAA or has been authorized by the NCAA to be given to you must stay in its current form.  You can not sell, trade, barter or transact said items, period.   You will get nothing unless it is from the NCAA.  If your mother, father, sister, brother, guardian or other family member gives you something, gives you anything, you will bring it to me with the receipt and we will ask the NCAA if you are allowed to receive said items. Check that, do not touch it, we will ask permision from the NCAA first.  Any money that goes into your pocket must come from the NCAA.  If any person or business gives you money, services, discounts, deals or anything of value and their name isn't NCAA, your name will be drug through the public no matter the circumstances.   If you think you found a loop-hole or a "legal" way to make money, get a deal or gain possession of something you are wrong.  You only found away to get in trouble. 

In the words of a famous Rapper,

"A'ight, stop whatcha doin'
'Cause I'm about to ruin
The image and the style that ya used to."

Oh, and don't do drugs."
 

Roger's picture

(Updated) Facebook status updates from a few players:

 

Jack Mewhort
Ohio State football is built on fire, not flash. We're still the buckeyes... That won't change.
Carlos King Hyde
Lets get this W in new orleans forget everything else
Jake Stoneburner
WE WILL BE OKAY! True Fans know that! I love my teammates! go BUCKS!
Brian Rolle
We still good.The NCAA pick and choose who's innocent and who's guilty I guess.The team I'm a captain for will definitely bounce all the way back and anyone who has a problem with my teammates who made a mistake come see me!! GO BUCKS!
RoweTrain's picture

Exactly what I wanted to see from B-Rolle.  Makes me like him even more and glad he's a captain.

Roger's picture

Agreed. Bromance: Activated.

btalbert25's picture

Now Rolle is going to get suspended for criticising the NCAA on Twitter.

M Man's picture

I feel bad for Tressel and the program.  They did no wrong.  Some silly stupid shit, by a few guys.  This will be an inconsequential footnote in the Tressel Story.  It might even add to his reputation in the long analysis.  Personally, I think the suspensions sounded a bit harsh.  But whatever.

A question; was Pryor truthful yesterday when he swore up and down that he paid for his tattoos?  I guess maybe he was.  He paid for his tats, like, with the money he got from selling his gold pants from the '08 game.  Is that it?  It would actually bug me more, if Pryor was a bold-faced liar, than if he sold some stuff for some walking around money.

Go Bucks, beat Arkansas.

yrro's picture

That's the storyline that makes the most sense. No one would have made a big mess if it were over $50 in free tats. Sounds like they traded the championship rings to Fine Line for their tattoos, and when the recent police raid on the tat parlor found a bunch of Big Ten championship rings and jerseys in the back room they called compliance.

Captain Buckeye's picture

I played baseball at Ohio State and was lucky enough to be a captain.  I never one won a Big Ten Championship and would give my left stone for one and a Big Ten Championship ring.

This is really bad and is a dagger right in the heart.  I have a pit in my stomach.

They all need to go for good.

The_Lurker's picture

Defense not only wins championships, it also keeps the rings afterwards.

Matthew's picture

Countdown on the suspended players signing with an agent before the bowl games starts in

 

5....4.....3....2....1....

Class of 2010

SilverBullets's picture

Too Soon,  Way Too Soon

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Brewster's Twitter:

 
Michael Brewster

 
Why couldn't we get the investigators that handled the auburn case??

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

poguemahone's picture

Nice. Auburn got Nelson Van Alden, we got Mulder and Scully

Colin's picture

There's no point in venting anymore frustration, nothing is going to change right now.

Let's just sit back, play some Black Ops, and see what happens after the Sugar Bowl.

Captain Buckeye's picture

What happened here is wrong.  Period.  However, there is something wrong in society when kids who come from tough backgrounds have a hard time getting spending money, when the universities and NCAA are profitting from EA Sports CFB 2011 and using players likenesses and selling #2 jerseys.

The kids are getting pimped out for $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Chris Lauderback's picture

A few things..

1. TP was apparently telling the truth when he said he paid for his tats. AT least there's that.

2. TP can suck it for calling Herbie a fake buckeye. I can't think of anything more fake than selling your GOLD PANTS but maybe that's easy for me to say since I (1) don't own gold pants and (2) am thankfully not in the position where I have to sell anything I truly value because I need cash.

3. I find it hard to believe any of these guys will turn pro. Half a season or not, they still get a full season of development - it's not like they can't practice. Throw in the fact NONE of them would be first day picks plus they'd face mega interview scrutiny from teams that might even push them further down the draft board.

4. Smith/Tressel are already working the angle that the University is highly culpable for not being more clear on the rules which will hopefully reduce the suspension to four games. Even with a loss at Miami which is far from a given, if they are all back by the B10 slate then there's still hope for the 2011 season. Too bad the ruling on any suspension reduction wont come before players have to declare because some of them might be swayed if they know they can win another conference championship ring and promptly sell it.

5. For those of you defending the players, I can only say that these guys are college age kids and while they may not have known the explicit rule, they no doubt sat through enough talks about this stuff to know they should AT LEAST ASK FIRST before selling stuff. When most of us were that age, the problem is that we were probably all a little too willing to go ahead and do things we knew were a little sketchy, but we could reason ourselves into still doing them because the act wasn't that bad in our immature eyes. That still doesn't make it okay. No way I'm buying they didn't think they should at least ask first. No way.

yrro's picture

My honest opinion:

1) They're idiots for breaking the rule. They should have known this was on the edge of shady just from the general compliance meetings they have. I'm going to bet they went through with it rather than check because they thought there was a chance they wouldn't be allowed to do it.

2) It's a stupid rule. They should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their rings. As long as they aren't making a business out of signing shit and selling it, I don't really care. It's also incredibly hypocritical of the NCAA.

3) I'm a little disappointed that they don't seem to value their awards... but I can empathize. If someone gave me $100 for the certificate I got for winning valedictorian in high school, I'd jump on it in a heart beat. My OSU diploma sits unframed somewhere in a file cabinet. I'm sure there are a lot of other people who care more about the physical trappings of their accomplishments, but I'm not one of them, and I can understand players feeling the same way.

4) But still, given that there are many fans and alumni who *do* care, it's a stupid and thoughtless thing to piss off that many people to get yourself a nice tattoo.

5) But $1,000 is a lot of money to a college student. Honestly, on the list of possible violations, I find this much less morally reprehensible than taking $100 handshakes.

6) 5 games is way too much. Not suspending them for the bowl game just shows how fake NCAA discipline is. Personally I hope they can get it reduced to 2-3 games and most of them come back for a senior year. They'll only play one half against our first couple opponents anyway.

7) And finally, I'm most disappointed in Boom. From everything I had read about him, I had gotten the impression that he was a stand up guy and a real leader. Just makes me sad.

Estrada's picture

All of your points very closely mirror my thoughts on the situation.  I now ask you kindly, please get out of my brain!

buckeyedude's picture

I disagree Chris. I think these three, Boom, Pryor and Posey are definitely going to see where they will fall in the draft and go for it. It's all about the money now, and unfortunately, this will follow them the rest of their lives. But, life is a set of circumstances and choices, and it's how we respond to them that counts, right?

And for the record, I don't like the Herbie bashing.

 

 

tomcollins's picture

But Terelle Pryor is an upstanding citizen and has never been in trouble and in Tressel's doghouse, right BTALBERT?

gwalther's picture

Co-sign. Lolz

Class of 2008

Another Jason's picture

There's no way you're seriously comparing this to beating up some kids, smoking pot on the sidewalk, or taking money from a booster.  Unless you just hate TP for some reason.

tomcollins's picture

Nah, just we now know who the fake Buckeye is now.  My guess is we see more of Maurice Clarett around the program 10 years from now than TPeezy.  At this point, I'd rather just play Guiton all next season and watch Pryor be the next Tim Tebow in the NFL.  Maybe some day he can play along side Mo Clarett.

Another Jason's picture

I wish he hadn't sold the stuff and it does change my opinion of him somewhat (not as big of a deal as some other things players have done though), but he's not the only one, so I hope you feel the same about Boom, Posey, Adams and Thomas.

tomcollins's picture

They didn't call anyone a fake Buckeye then act like hypocrites.

Boom was an idiot for selling it, but whatever, it's a jersey and shoes.  It makes me shake my head wondering why he didn't check to see if that was fine, but it doesn't lower my opinion of him other than being disappointed.

The other 3 can be grouped with Pryor, but not quite as bad for not being vocal hypocrites.

Another Jason's picture

How did he act like a hypocrite?  He expressed an opinion about Herbstreit that A LOT of people share.  He also made a mistake/misunderstood or was unaware of a rule/tried to help his family or whatever reason you want to think was behind this.  Trying to equate the two things is just stretching to vilify him further.

And by the way, Herbstreit's comments during the Newton saga and at the beginning of this -- when nothing was known -- kind of reinforce the "fake Buckeye" accusation.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Absolutely. The TRUE Kirk Herbstriet was revealed. Complete contrast on the way he talked about both situations (Newton's and this.)

tomcollins's picture

He'll sell off one of the most prized possessions for a Buckeye football player for a small wad of cash.  He's showing himself to only be a Buckeye until he gets to the next level (if he ever does).

Herbestreit is a journalist as a job, but a true Buckeye by heart.  Pryor thinks that everyone should be on his nuts without him doing anything to earn it.  He's butthurt that Herbstreit won't bow down to him like everyone else did the rest of his life.  He has been handed everything his life regarding sports and has no idea how to deal with adversity.  I'm glad he played for Ohio State, but if he played his last game against Michigan, I wouldn't be sad.

Another Jason's picture

There were times when I would have sold anything I had for $2500 in a heartbeat.  It may seem like a "small wad of a cash" to you, but I can guarantee that these kids didn't see it that way.

 As has been pointed out here already, it may just be that they just didn't really care that much about those things and thought they had the right to sell them since they were their things.  Maybe, just maybe, a 21-year-old found $2500 more appealing than a ring and a couple of trophies.

Herbstreit's journalistic integrity took a shot when he spent a couple of minutes theorizing on a scandal in its infancy on national TV, when he had spent months on end pleading for everyone to wait for the facts on scandals involving USC/Pete Carroll and Cam Newton (both ESPN darlings, but I'm sure that's a coincidence).

tomcollins's picture

$2500 is absolutely a small amount of cash to someone like Pryor.  Maybe not now, but long term, he got $2500 and cost himself potentially millions.  It's just plain stupidity or arrogance.  The guys who come from a poor background and don't have the chance to make the big money at the next level, I can understand it a bit more.  But of course, Pryor runs his mouth while this thing is going on "I PAID FOR MY TATTOOS".  Whatever, dude.  He's just such an awful representative for the university.  I'll be happy to see if he learns from this, but seeing has he has not learned from anything up to this point, I somehow doubt it will happen.  He'll take his ball, try to go to the NFL, and end up on the practice squad somewhere.

Another Jason's picture

He sold the stuff when he was a freshman.  You really think he was weighing the immediate need (or desire) of $2500 against potential (though not guaranteed) earnings at least a few years in the future?  I admire you for having never made a mistake in your youth.

Based on the punishment, the NCAA seems to agree that he paid for his tattoos.  He just didn't pay enough.

I hope he comes back, takes his suspension like a man, watches Guiton or Miller (or both) lead the team to five straight victories, then returns to the helm and destroys Nebraska before steamrolling the rest of the Big Ten on his way to a National Title.  And then I hope you don't change your mind about him.

Because that would be hypocritical.

btalbert25's picture

Wow calling me out?  Well I guess now he has, even still if he was helping his mom out, I find it pretty upstanding.  I really don't think this will hurt that much though.  If, as you say, the team would've only lost 1 or 2 more games this year with Bauserman starting then we shoudln't be in too bad of shape with Guiton at the helm. 

Glad you can be so happy to be right though.  Must be a good feeling, the guy made a mistake, the team is going to hurt from it but you have the satisfaction of being right.  I guess that can make you feel good about yourself.  Must be nice to be so smug. 

Leanenaud's picture

You know what.....Take out some student loans if you need money just like everone else. I personally don't even want to see these guys on the field for the Sugar. Give someone else a shot. Just not Bauserman, please no Bauserman!

Buckeye in Athens's picture

No matter who is to blame for this, there are a bunch of kids on this team who had nothing to do with this and who need our support on Jan. 4th. I have mixed feelings about who's "a real buckeye", but for the sake of everyone else, especially the seniors, I hope they can move past this and kick some Hog butt. Whatever Tressel decides about suspensions for the bowl game, I hope he does it quickly so it's not a distraction.

741's picture

I feel badly for Coach Tressel - one can only imagine he is probably taking this as a personal failure on some level. All the work to teach and lead these young guys to become better men, and then something like this comes to light. I would think the level of trust between he and Pryor has taken a substantial hit and we will not likely see the progression between junior and senior year that we saw with Troy Smith.

It sucks. Terelle blew his chance to obliterate all the QB records at Ohio State and possibly make a run at the Heisman.

That said, I now feel more strongly than ever that FBS (Div. I) football players across the board should be paid some reasonable amount (maybe $2,500 a month or something like that) to ameliorate some of these situations in which kids from incredibly modest backgrounds have to scratch and scrape together any money they can to cover basic expenses, and in some cases support a family member or members. Something needs to be done to compensate these guys who generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for their universities and the system as a whole, but can't even go get a part time job to make ends meet because there is not enough time in the day!

yrro's picture

Athletes need legitimate ways to get cash. I was on full academic scholarship (same amount as a football scholarship) and it was enough to live on, but not much extra. You want a computer, you want to go out to the movies, you want to afford even a beater car, you needed a job on top of things. If you're on academic, you have time to get that job, but if you're at school to play football you don't have anything close to time to get a real job.

Is it the hardest existence in the world? No, not compared to paying your own way through school by any means. But the average student isn't making his university millions of dollars a year, either.

Just saying, the scholarship is nice, but you're still eating a fair amount of ramen if your parents aren't sending a check from home.

BuckeyeChief's picture

If you want a laptop, just steal it; it'll get you a Heisman.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

buckeyedude's picture

$2500 a month?!!!!! Holy Shit!!!!! Why not $10,000? $20,000/mo.?

Yeah. I'm sure that has a real chance.

 

 

Another Jason's picture

I'm surprised no one has pointed out how this is about 95% Rich Rod's fault.  Outside of Boom's jersey, these violations don't even TOTAL a thousand bucks if he hadn't destroyed Michigan's football program.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

+100. always michigans fault

Powers's picture

Thank you sir for making me laugh for the first time all day

M Man's picture

Awright, just for that, I'm going to file an appeal with the NCAA, to get Pryor reinstated one game early, making him eligible to play against Sparty.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

With all eyes on them you would think they would know better, or would ask for clarification before doing something like this. I feel bad because of them coming up in tough situations but still, where's the leadership when you need it? I came up dirt poor but did things right without all this talent and potential. Don't make excuses for these kids any longer, they are older than most risking their lives for our freedoms. Didn't Adams go to Dublin? That's not a school kids go to who have it tough. I don't think we win this next game because of this and it shows tOSU's football team lacking any true leaders. Is this why all the assistants are jumping ship?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, no excuses, But, yes, they are kids - in terms of lifecycle, if not legally so. They made some mistakes and should be punished (although the punishment in this case is excessive). Once they do the punishment, though, that's it (in most cases), it's basically forgiven and - given the right course of behavior in the future - forgotten. 

We should save the heavier judgments and moralizing for mature adults in positions of power.   

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Maybe. I want to believe it but then there are kids younger than this who don't do this dumb shit. I might be on the TP hate bandwagon...I've been sitting on both sides of the fence. If he was a third of the leader he claims to be he would have found away to stop this.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Multiple points I'd like to discuss:

1. Herbie must really, really hate Pryor; he ripped the kid to shreds on Cowherd. Right or wrong, he didn't take it to the level w/ Newton, but imho opinion he HATES Pryor. I guess that throwing water bottles and having heated discussions after you screw up is not allowed unless you play in the SEC. I don't 100% agree with everything Pryor does, but Herbie needs to lay off. By the way he speaks, I would think he went to scUM.

2. I guarantee you Tressel is sick; being in the position I am in, leading young men and women there is not a day that goes by that I don't dwell on mistakes I made as an E-5, E-6 and as a Chief. One of my Sailors got into a position where he was damn near court-martialed and I feel I failed him. He earned a "Big Chicken Dinner" and it still makes me sick.

3. This whole situation disgusts me on multiple levels; was selling their stuff wrong? Yes by the letter of the law it was. Should they face a five game suspension for what they did with THEIR POSSESIONS? No. One to two games and restitution max. Why did they get longer suspensions than AJ Green who had an agent? And why is Cam Newton still playing? If I was Boisie or TCU, I would f*cking riot over the fact that a team not playing in the NCG got hammered when Newton didn't....did the NCAA save face by hammering us, but covering Auburn's ass in order to keep TCU/ Boisie out? I think so.

4. All this being said, with rare occasion I have been a Pryor apologist. I want to see him have a great Sugar Bowl, win and all involved move on. I think with Kenny G at the helm, our Defense can carry us for awhile. The damage those guys have done me be irrepairable, but win this one, move to the next level, and time will heal this wound.

I was driving on base when I heard this and I feel sick to my stomach. I just don't understand how Newton got off scot free, Bama does what they do (HS football fields), AJ Green got four games and we got this. The NCAA is a hypocrite in all sense of the word.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I think Herbie and Hooley (sp?) both dislike TP.

It happened on his watch, he should be sick. I served in the Marines and liken this situation to my military experience as well. We ask much more of our men and women serving this country who get a lot less than these "student" athletes. While the fine people in the military only afford us our very freedom with their sacrifices they make (sometimes their life) for our great nation these pampered athletes earn a ton of money for a university.

Won't we appeal this?

You think they should just go pro after this?

BuckeyeChief's picture

The only way they come back is like this:

I went to Captain's Mast for underage drinking on base in '96...I had two choices...keep screwing up and get kicked out or stop fucking around and fly straight.

 

Do you think these guys can fly straight? It's on them.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

buckeyedude's picture

You know SEC fans, hypocrites that they are, will never let this go, and the comparisons to MC have already started, I'm sure(I realize the two situations aren't close, but that won't matter to those rednecks).

 

 

RBuck's picture

I'm thinking about the bowl game right now. I can worry about next season after the appeal. ( I'm thinking suspensions reduced a couple of games..best scenario).

I'm looking at it two ways:

1)  The juniors decide they're going pro and play at the highest level to make an impression on the scouts..

2) This situation is a total mind-fuck and the OSU Buckeyes lose big time again to a effin SEC team.  

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Bucksfan's picture

One thing is for certain: Buckeye nation will be buying more liquor this holiday season.

Drink up, me'hearties!  Drink to old Ohio 'til you wabble in your shoes.

741's picture

Obviously knockoffs, and the seller even says so. Nothing to see here. Move on.

BTwrestle04's picture

Not sure when you looked, but when I posted it, there were legit 2007 and 2009 gold pants for sale.

741's picture

Interesting. When I looked there was a picture of obviously fake gold pants (and a "buy it now" price of $85) and also a picture of what looked like the actual 2006 gold pants, but text that made it clear what they were selling was a replica version.

Powers's picture

hahahahahha i never thought i could hate mark may more than i usually do.... what a moron saying if this happened to SEC players they would not be playing in the a BCS bowl. HELLO CAM NEWTON!!!???

blazers34's picture

yep, he's an idiot.  called big 10 and pac 10 the NCAA Sacred Cows.  Guy doesnt think at all.

Bieterman's picture

Anyone else think it's funny that Terrelle sold his sportsmanship award?

Matthew's picture

It's also funny/weird/creepy that someone would actually want it.

Class of 2010

Chris Lauderback's picture

Just think, these dudes could've gotten Maurice to dig out one of his old guitar strings and a bic and they could've avoided this whole mess.

RoweTrain's picture

I only have one question.  When Posey was selling his items and was handed the money, do you think he dropped it? 

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

You get my vote for winning this thread

Cross Village's picture

What a Dope Posse....

All get their degrees early....... MBA's -  as in

Me

Before 

Anything

 

What a disappointment.

Dumb, dumber and dumbest...........

 

Nik's picture

So they're not allowed to sell the rings and pants, but what about all the bowl swag?  are they allowed to sell that?  If so, why?  It's still stuff they earned because of their athletic prowess.  And if so, how is that any different than selling the rings and gold pants?

 

also don't agree with this whole "oh they didn't know so they can play in the sugar bowl, but they can't play next year"

 

This whole thing is just messed up and makes no sense whatsoever

Poe McKnoe's picture

Agreed, sure is going to be awkward on January 4th.  Hopefully Tressel suspends them all.

Kurt's picture

After you reach a certain point in the recruiting rankings it does more damage than good. A team is better off with above avg talent and great coaches with smart schemes.

ERIC OSU's picture

I hope you're being sarcastic, if not -100

Kurt's picture

Its a hypothetical question, but in all seriousness I would take the 15th ranked recruiting class, full of tough, hungry athletes coupled with great coaching.

tomcollins's picture

At the college level, talent is king.  That's why college football coaching is like 90% recruiting and people like Les Miles not only are employed, but thriving.

Powers's picture

does this hurt our chances to get those blue-chippers in recruting aka grant and clowney?

buckeyedude's picture

Personally, I think this helps get more blue-chippers, because maybe they think they have a chance at playing earlier. Just my opinion.

 

 

Jdadams01's picture

Well, what's done is done. The way I look at it is kids shouldn't be punished for selling what they personally own. If I tried to sell a trophy I won for something and someone stepped in and tried to tell me I wasn't allowed or that I would be punished for it, I would lose my mind on them. And everyone who says that the scholarship gives them enough...it doesn't provide clothes, shoes, food for your apartment, gas money, any type or recreational spending money, travel money to go home, money for things like Christmas gifts, household items like cleaning supplies or hygiene products, money for furniture, etc. Stop bashing these kids for wanting to have money to live on. Not one person here would easily give up extra cash. Especially if you didn't have much extra growing up.

Denny's picture

Clearly the university needs to use this as impetus to fire SUX0R Tressel and his slow, plodding football team of thugs to hire Pope Urban Meyer and take over the Bigtweleven!!!!1!1!

Taquitos.

Ethan's picture

are you kidding? Explain how any of this is Tressel's fault? I hope you're being sarcastic and I'm completely missing it. 

Sofa Kingdom's picture

Hopefully we see Miller next year or Guiton.  I don't think I could stand to see Bauserman for FIVE full games.  Shoot me now if that happens.

tomcollins's picture

Absolutely no way Miller starts in those 5 games, but he could get some time.

Guiton should be able to take over, but I have an ugly feeling Bauserman will be in there most of the time.

buckeyedude's picture

Stop, Tom. You're hurting my eyes/ears.

 

 

Ignatius Hoya's picture

Selling GOLD PANTS. It's a slap in the face to Ohio State, Tressel, the fans, teammates, alums, and Woody. Get Pryor away from my football team. I'm tired of people getting sick of Michigan being mediocre.  Enjoy the dominance while we can.  How soon we forget the 90s and the Cooper Era.

 

Go Hoyas.

Hoya Saxa!

iball's picture

I absolutely guarantee there is more to this. This wreaks.

I dont care WHO was suspended, but selling personal items? Getting a hookup price on a tattoo? Why is this even illegal?

This makes no sense, therefore there has to be more to it.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

iball's picture

Somebody wants Pryor out. Too close to the coaching criticism incident, real stinky.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Poe McKnoe's picture

I hope that somebody informed Coach Tressel before the 3 weeks of bowl practice.

 

I know Pryor isn't out as of yet, but he should be.

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

No matter what, this reflects poorly on JT.  No argument fellas. He doesn't sit kids for the upcoming game when they have been found to have (1) violated rules and (2) LIED ABOUT IT???

He allows the NCAA to give him an out?  no different that how I felt about Auburn's response to known violations - win at all costs.  JT is no different and it has been proven.

of course, come Jan 4, I will be hapy that Pryor is behind center (i'm just being honest)

 

iball's picture

No, this is a stupid rule made in a different era.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

True it is a stupid rule.  And I was initially thinking no big deal about this whole mess.  But, then I actually just saw clips from JT's press conference and he blames it on the institution's inability to fully inform the players. 

Okay, I follow that. 

And that is a defense then, right? No suspensions then as it wasn't the kids' fault?

No, they still have to sit out 5 freaking games???

But, not until after we play in one of the marque games, of course. 

Bottom line - if it is a suspendable offense, then it should result in immediate suspension, no?

what other possible explanation for allowing them to play the sugar bowl is there other than no one wanted to "ruin" a big money game and JT took the out to put his best players on the field. 

Failure to educate by the staff is a defense or it isn't.

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard the reason for the 5th game was that they denied it initially ("no, I have no idea what you are talking about" sorta answer).  I'm going to assume that was to the NCAA investigators or the school investigators - and must have included coaching staff who would be asking questions themselves.

If I'm wrong then I apologize. 

Its just weird that kids that are subject to sanctions/ineligible are not immediately dealt with by the school and staff.  Don't get me wrong, I am not a heavy-handed moralist, but this undoubtedly reflects poorly on JT for taking no immediate action.

741's picture

As I understand it the 5th game was tacked on because the student athletes failed to self report the violation once they became aware (in November of 2009) of the rule against selling this type of item.

It is implied that the act of selling the items took place before November 2009.

It's less a "lie" than it is a willful error of omission. (I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure one will correct me if I have not expressed myself correctly here.)

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

 If that's the case, it is less aggregious than I thought and apologize.  Also, I shoudl make it clear that 

1. I think the rule is stupid and I think the punishment is way too harsh

2. I am happy they will be playing in the Sugar Bowl - I want to win as much or more than most fans.

But, either they are in violation and subject to suspension or not.  If yes, then there is no reason other than not to wrekc the Sugar Bowl that they are not suspended by the NCAA or the team.  It is transparent and undeniable. 

If the kids didn't deny doing it, then, again, I apologize

JakeBuckeye's picture

First off, its not up to Jim Tressel as far as suspensions go.

Secondly, http://theozone.net/football/2010/SugarBowl/NCAAtimeline.htm

"Dec. 16 – Entire team pulled into a room and told about ongoing investigation. University interviews suspected players, who allegedly told the truth about all items. Very emotional scene according to Gene Smith and Jim Tressel."

 

 

 

 

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

Hey look, I am happy they are playing.  And this is not crushing to JT or anything.  I am not calling for his head.  I am just saying that it reflects poorly on him.  I believe truly that, maybe you don't, and that is fair. 

I will continue to root the buckeyes and these players.  But, I find it hard to think JT doesn't have a say in suspending players.  He does not make the determination as to whether they are eligible, of course, but certainly whether they should play.  I mean, it was "serious enough" to warrant 5 freaking games, just not right now.

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

weird double post after trying to edit - early holiday festivities kicking in

741's picture

I'm suddenly having issues editing too. No worries though.

Poe McKnoe's picture

That timeline really makes you believe that the NCAA is just making this shit up as they go along.  Precedents be damned! Self reporting, we'll hear none of it.  Deny deny deny.

PS: I'm always the most emotional when I get caught, too.

741's picture

OK, I guess will be the first to throw this out there for discussion: Now that tat-gate has effectively played out (other than the obligatory appeal), where do you stand as a Buckeye fan as it relates to these five juniors?

If one, more, or all of them are contrite, accept and serve their punishment, and choose to return for their senior seasons, will you accept them with open arms back into the bosom of Buckeye Nation, or would you hold a grudge and 'boo' them when they return to the field of play?

I'm in the camp that wants to welcome them back. I'd like to see the team win the Sugar Bowl, obviously, and I am glad the five get to play. While I think the punishment does not fit the violation, I am hopeful all (6) of these guys return to play football for Ohio State next year. I would like to see them be publicly remorseful (after the Sugar Bowl) for their actions and pledge to do everything in their power to make things right.

I think some folks around town today are going way too far in criticizing these kids for having made a dumb mistake. I humbly suggest some folks ought to take a step back and really think about the notion of what it might mean to sell a couple of trinkets (for a ridiculous amount of money) that a lot of OSU fans who never actually set foot on the field of play seem to think are second in value only to the original stone tablets Moses carried down off of the mountain... maybe these gold pants are not the sacred relics we all consider them to be? Have you asked any non-OSU fans today if they'd ever heard of 'gold pants' prior to today?

It's time to circle the wagons and support the team - all of them. Nobody killed people, murdered people, stole from you, or stole from me... whatever.

Bucksfan's picture

It's just another taint on an otherwise fantastic opportunity.  If they go down there and win, it'll be an asterisk that they played with ineligible players.  If they go down there and lose, it'll be 0-10 against the SEC even though we fielded our best chance.  Either way, the game will require a lot of booze just to not think about it.

Will I accept them back?  Yeah, that's not my problem, though.  The issue is that their mistake probably cost the Buckeyes a chance at a national title, and seriously impaired their ability to contend for next year's division title, let alone conference title, with Jim Tressel's best recruiting class ever.  Pryor's out of the Heisman race, and if these guys regain their starting positions after the 5th game, Lincoln is not where you want to begin your year after coming off a tough game against MSU.  So, I'm extremely disappointed from the standpoint that a 2011 championship run looks like it's over before it began (as far as expectations go).

You're absolutely right, that this offense in the grand scheme of things bears no resemblance to being arrested outside a club waving an AK47, being found passed out drunk in the middle of an intersection, stealing merchandise out of someone's house, hitting your girlfriend, gouging a players eyes, being paid multiple-hundred-thousand dollars by an agent.  That's why the penalty of 5 games is a tough pill to swallow, and why I don't hate these guys in any way.

btalbert25's picture

How does it severly hamper their chance to win the division?  Sure they will miss the Sparty game, but do any of us really believe MSU is going to lose 1 game all year again next year?  Let's get the guys back, they give this team the best possible chance to win.  They did what they did over a year ago.  I absolutely want the best player back. 

It cracks me up the reactions people are having here.  I guarrenttee that Georgia fans were dying to have Green on the sidelines the first 4 games this year.  He sold a jersey and had involvement with an agent, something that could cause real problems for their University.  North Carolina was dying to get their players back, not in Ohio though.  Let's get rid of all these guys, they are wastes of space, they aren't real Buckeyes, though they've made more money and sacrificed more for the school than just about everyone of us commenting here has ever done. 

Bucksfan's picture

Hey, this year they only lost one conference game and if were hypothetically 2011, Ohio State would not have won their division with that record.  So, you simply don't want to open your Big Ten slate against Michigan State without Terrelle Pryor and Mike Adams, and then going on the road to Lincoln, which would be the starters' first game back.

The Bucks could easily go 0-2 to start conference play and no one would be surprised given the circumstances.

 

Without Green, Georgia went 1-3.  With him back, they went 5-3.  North Carolina finished with a mediocre 7-5, and they were an ACC favorite just because of that defense.  Had they played, wow, could have been a far different story.

I'm never about to say the penalty should be harsher.  Not in any universe.  5 games is absurd, and unrealistic in this day in age.  If it were up to me, an infraction like this should garner payment repaid, followed by 2 games...bowl game inlcuded no questions asked.  No way should htese guys get expelled for something so trivial.

Captain Buckeye's picture

I'm a little pissed at Gene Smith.  It is CLEAR to all athletes at Ohio State that they can't take money from anyone.  In 1986 we were sat down and read through the rule book for at least an hour on the turf in French Fieldhouse.  The players know.  They just got caught.

Hey Terrelle, "I paid for my tattoos...Go Bucks."  Paid for them with the money you got from your 2008 ring and gold pants. 

 

Were those authentic or Fake Buckeye Championship Rings and Gold Pants?

Natty Light's picture

everybody who now hates them, just remember that not everybody is as sentimental or as big a fan as you are. 

 

playing football is life for these kids, not being an OSU fan.  pryor's got OSU stuff tatted all over his arm, to show his fandom.  when is he ever going to wear a giant ring around?  and you are going to tell poor kids they can sell $1000 of "their" stuff they don't need?  its nothing more than them being dumb, arrogant thinking they can get away with anything, as college kids are. 

Poe McKnoe's picture

nd you are going to tell poor kids they can sell $1000 of "their" stuff they don't need?

No sir, I will not!

Unfortunately, the NCAA will.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Call me crazy, but I think this will pull the team together and they will shock Arkansas;
The NCAA is full of shit....had a long discussion with a Miami grad, who grew up with Bennie and Brian Blades and he thought it was bullshit.
Some talking heads think they shouldn't play the Sugar, others are outraged that the suspensions happened at all.

I think Herbie is mad that TP doesn't walk on water.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

JakeBuckeye's picture

I've done a complete 180 degree turn on Herbie. Used to be a big supporter (heck, two days ago I was a big supporter of him), but now he can go f*** himself to put it blatantly. I never heard him speak an ill word of Cameron Newton OR Cecil Newton throughout the entire scandal in which he was asked to talk about multiple times throughout the process. Now he says these things about "his" buckeyes, specifically Pryor? Yeah Herbie, you're an asshole.

JBuckeye's picture

This Terrelle Pryor needed money?  The kid with either the IPhone or ITouch shown?  Or the same one that dragged in a flat screen TV on arrival day last season? 

Ohio State football players are well taken care of regardless of what you think.  They are clothed for free, fed for free, roomed in very nice accomodations for free, and get a free education plus they do get a living stipend. 

I've never been on the Pryor bandwagon because I always thought he was all about Terrelle first, and everything else second.  He was a cancer on the team the year that Tress benched Boeckman, and now that he has sold his gold pants I want nothing to do with him.  That is a disgrace above and beyond all things that he could have done. 

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Its hard to defend Pryor now, but I will say he's never been a cancer to his team on the field during his career at Ohio State.

Ignatius Hoya's picture

Agree. Lebron is his mentor. Enough said.

Hoya Saxa!

buckeyedude's picture

Wasn't Michael Vick his hero?

Still, a victory in the Sugar Bowl would go a long way to help the nauseous feeling in my stomach, regardless if those involved play or not.

 

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

My Christmas wish list:
1. The NCAA to be shut down by the IRS and overhauled by Congress
2. A torn ACL for Cam Newton on the first play.
3. Two torn ACL and a Grant Hill ankle injury for Lebron James.
4. A 20 year extension for Rich Rod.
5. A Sugar Bowl win.

I don't drink, had to pound a few Yuenglings tonight.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bucksfan's picture

Welcome back off the bandwagon, Chief.  I'm a Beefeater Gibson in, and there's one more waiting before I pass out.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I am gonna drink all holiday season and hope I don't get into a brawl during the Sugar Bowl. God I am disgusted.
BTW every piece of Buckeye gear will now have the ncaa logo blacked out.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Irricoir's picture

First, to all of you stating I have no right to judge them because they have done more for the University than I have: Touche I'll counter that by saying now they have done more to hurt The University than I have ever done. Next, I'll focus on those folks that like to throw youth out there as the great eraser, like we should forget it ever happened. You, The people that say "Oh they're just kids take it easy on them, they will make mistakes." You are the reason we live in this age of "selective" accountability. Why be so quick to forgive their transgressions just because it benefits you? Certainly, the rules suck and the punishment is not administered fairly across The board. Instead of moaning about what can not be controlled we should be focusing on the true problem; selfish, introverted kids that despite their utterances were only loyal to The team if it was in accordance with their desires or lifestyles. I don't believe the "I didn't know" just like I don't believe Cam Newtons. Ignorance of a Law doesn't keep you from being punished in The world we working adults live in. I was 18 years old, in the Marine Corps, given an Assault Rifle, sent overseas and given The responsibility over life and death decisions and held accountable for all of those. So why do we agree to expect so much less from these kids, who are older and been in a program longer than three years. Should they have not had that sneaky suspicion that something may not be right? I don't know how much money these guys earn for monthly living expenses but it can't be much less than a private. They certainly have better housing and food. Try living in The desert and eating MRE'S repetitively and call me a liar. I have always said TPS leadership speeches sounded forced, rehearsed and coached. This occurrence reinforces my beliefs. I am still very thankful for his service and I still believe him to be a very serviceable quarterback. If he wants us all to think he is as great as he thinks he is then he needs to start off the field first with me. I want to win and beat an SEC team as bad and likely more than anyone. In all of my debates with SEC fans I have had one constant source of pride. We have become a very clean program under JT. I know this is nowhere as severe as pay for play or that other garbage that goes on down south but the group TP leads has taken that from me for a while. B. Rolle I applaud your dedication to your teammates. That is an outstanding quality. Id love to meet with the man but for reasons other than what he's looking for. I will always support the team but not all of the actions of each individual. I never want to like the "Win at any cost" conference. Go Buckeyes! Overcome this too!

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Poe McKnoe's picture

Amen! I like paragraphs, but amen.

I don't know that every program is 100% by the books clean, and a lot of the stuff doesn't pop up.  It's when you start selling important items that people might recognize.  At least we didn't, or cross your fingers haven't yet, gotten the "well, Tressel told me I should talk to this guy" accusations.

Irricoir's picture

Sorry about the length. I fell into my thoughts and my phone which operates on the half G network makes it hard for me to compose and edit. /apologies

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

buckeyedude's picture

You make some excellent points, Irricoir, but I disagree with you that these kids are "introverted." Not.

 

 

Natty Light's picture

i think boom will go pro.  he had a great season compared to what we all thought his talent merited, and he faces losing his starting spot next year.  3-5th round pick depending on his combine?  hes not very fast or agile, but a smart runner with good vision.

i dont think pryor will take a mid round pick as an athlete when he has 1st round potential (a la tebow)

posey has had a poor season and a lot of drops, plus he will be a clear #1 reciever next year

think adams will not accept a mid round pick either, he has about 4 good games in 3 years of being a revolving door, but they have all been lately and he is a lot better than his body of work looks.

 

i think guiton beats out bauserman. maybe braxton.  and we have a good shot at going 5-0.  we won't notice losing boom, marcus hall and norwell are beasts and will do ok at LT, we will have a few new WRs with a new QB, and will just run 60 times a game.  the D will have a chip on its shoulder and pull together trying to win the games themselves.

miami sucks, MSU won't be nearly as good

osukdawg76's picture

I've had a day to think about this now, albeit while at work during the holidays.  Here are the thoughts that come to mind:

 

- The NCAA is a joke.  We've all known this for a long time, but with Ohio State first submitting to the NCAA that they were going to suspend them for the bowl game and two games next year, only to have the NCAA turn around and say "Oh the bowl game is okay, but we're taking them out for half of next season" proves that the NCAA wants to make sure it gets the cash grab with one of the sexier BCS games.

 

- To the ones that sold their gold pants and rings, good riddance.  First off, to come out and say that they needed money for their families is a joke.  That argument has so many holes, it might as well be a golf resort.  You look at all of them, especially TP, and there's no way that excuse sticks.  It's bullshit on a stick, nothing more.  To sell your gold pants and rings, things that are supposed to be priceless items and sacred to many, if not all, ex-players, get the fuck out of the university and let's replace them with people who appreciate what they earn.

 

- I'm expecting us to be blown out in the bowl game.  Sadly enough, with this shit going on, I expect the team to tank, most of these guys to bolt for the NFL, and we'll restart next year.

 

- Did I mention that the NCAA is full of hypocrites?  Just want to hammer that point home.  They are just making up the rules as they go.

 

Ultimately, I'm tired of the entire thing and it's only been one day since this shit broke.  I've never seen such a "quick" investigation done where punishment is handed down.  The Cam Newton thing looks like even more of a joke after this shit.  I said it in the other thread earlier, and I'll say it again:

 

Sell your game-worn jersey?  Four game suspension.

 

Exchange memorabilia for tattoos?  Five game suspension.

 

Have your father sell you for 200,000 dollars?  Win a Heisman.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

osukdawg76's picture

By the way, Michael Brewster is my new hero.  On his twitter tonight:

 

"Michael Brewster:  Why couldn't we get the investigators from the Auburn case??"

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

Irricoir's picture

Yeah, There is no way they should be bowl eligible. This coming from a man who wants to Win more than most. It'll be hard to watch those guys, pissed at them, yet wishing them success. I want to forgive them. I know I will. Hearing an "I screwed up" would make easier than "I didn't know." When did "I don't know" become so successful? Any coincedence in the timing of the NFL inquiries and this fall out? I wouldn't be surprised to see all involved go. I don't wish them Ill but it certainly would help the healing.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

osukdawg76's picture

Any person who sells title rings and especially gold pants is dead to me in my eyes.  The only one I won't damn in this is Herron.  He sold a jersey, pants, and shoes.  He kept his ring and pants.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

Natty Light's picture

how much are these rings/pants worth aside from the sentimental value?  are they actally made out of gold/silver/gems?  we shouldnt be giving things like this to "amature" players anyway if they arent allowed to profit from their celebrity. 

osukdawg76's picture

Here's a nice little tidbit to Mark "I'm a Douchebag" May who said that Ryan Mallett or anyone from the SEC would be immediately suspended:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1676582

 

That's a story about nine Georgia players who sold their SEC Championship Rings and weren't punished at all.  Period.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME!!!!!

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

buckeyedude's picture

Good job doing the research finding that article, OSUKDAWG76, but the article also states that do to the Georgia footballers and their actions, the NCAA changed the rules making it illegal to sell that stuff.

They got a pass because although it was wrong, it wasn't spelled out. It is now, unfortunately for TP, Boom & Co.

 

 

nickma71's picture

As long as we are bagging on Pryor a bit, I will join in. I think he is good well rounded quarterback. His passing is what opened up the run game for Herron. However, he is also in his 3rd year as a starter, and he still can't make a short throw consistently. I hope Miller is as I have read, and that is a lot closer to Troy Smith in ability than Pryor.

I also would like to see Duron Carter complete his eligibilty in scarlet and gray. I thought he looked pretty good most of the time as a freshman.

Not knowing yet what will come of the 5 game suspensions, the thought of Roderick Smith and Jamal Berry in a two back set sounds interesting to me. It worked with Mack and Byner. I don't know about the line, but then again, most often Jim Bollman doesn't roll out a dominate unit, so I don't even think about it any more.

Pam's picture

Carter  is  not coming back. 

Roger's picture

Yep, at this point no shot. My money says he ends up at Miami.