If It Walks Like a Duck…
Dear Coach Tressel,
We’re miserable again.
No worries. We’re sure Nick Siciliano will have Pryor on the right track before too long. He’s only the biggest quarterback recruit at Ohio State in the last 25 years. Video coordinators are good at developing talent.
Regards,
Your Fans
Excellent.
You don’t get to enjoy this, fantasySam.
Bucksfan, what is with you? Why do you feel it necessary to respond to my every post, even though you know you were wrong yesterday and still wrong today? You’re ridiculous, and sorta creepy. I feel like calling Chris Hansen.
Why? Because you’re a pedofile and you have a guilty conscience?
That makes sense.
Why change names, Bucksfan? What’s the point?
I don’t change names, dude. There wouldn’t be any point, I already pwn you.
Another reason I don’t change names: Plenty of people think you’re a fucking retard that I never have to.
Gee, Bucksfan, you’re really bitter about the pipin’ hot ownage I served up last night. I’m not about to apologize, so feel free to keep stalking me.
I don’t want an apology, I just want to trash any enjoyment you can get out of this picture because of the full-on blitz hate you’ve been dishing towards me for my CORRECT assessment of this team this whole season.
You deserve to be called out, and that’s what happens when you mess with people smarter than you.
I find it quite humorous that you keep insisting that you’re smarter than me. It’s like you’re trying to convince yourself. How quaint.
ha i go to school with that kid he actually won a game for this team
Why do you hate $am?
Sam and his over-the-top Buckeye homer crony southbaybuckeye did nothing except insult me all season for detecting the warning signs of this football team’s offensive woes after the Navy game. They’ve called me “fairweather,” a goddamn Michigan fan, an idiot, you name it. Turns out, THEY’RE the idiots, and hypocritical ones at that. In fact, if you look at their posts from yesterday, they actually REPEAT things that I’ve written almost word for word. It’s hilarious.
I don’t hate him. He’s just going to wish he never fucked with me.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_tough_guy
I’d say we’ve been pretty tolerant of the pissing contest you two have engaged in, but the line gets drawn at making thinly veiled threats. Show some decorum, gentlemen. There won’t be another warning.
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Ed. Note – Sam, c’mon brah.
Haha, Luke, I’ll take it easy then.
Bucksfan…. don’t waste your time with Sam…. speak your mind and ignore him…. not worth it.
he called me quaint on this blog also… he needs new material.
I don’t begrudge people their right to free, stupid expression.
how awesome of you to appoint yourself arbiter of stupid.
bucksfan, you might be a bit of a loon, but i’d ignore sam. he is a d-bag.
Stupid arguments aren’t stupid because I declare them that way via fiat; they’re stupid because they don’t hold up under the most meager of analyses.
Thanks for the backhanded complement, Bag.
Sam has to be right he was on the original cast of “saved by the bell”. God that show was funny.
+1
Lol god bless you jason for making me laugh, after that. Hats off to Purdue for the win.
beautiful.
Pryor will one day be an amazing red-zone threat…as a wide receiver.
Yes, it is absolutely time to end the Terrell Pryor experiment at quarterback. He’s so terrible out there that I feel bad for him. If college is to prepare you for your professional life, Tress is doing him a disservice by keeping him at QB this long because he has no chance of playing there on Sundays. The sooner he mans up and admits it, the sooner the whole team moves one step closer to being good again. Right now, we’re probably a 7-5, maybe 8-4 team with him as QB combined with the remaining schedule.
Today is the day we have to face the fact that the Terrell Pryor era is a certifiable failure. Not JT’s fault. I was very excited to land him until I heard him announce at his press conference. There’s a reason the coaching staff put a muzzle on him the first year.
What’s up with the O-Line? They looked pretty pathetic this game!
That Doug Worthington penalty was awkwarddddd…
I’m about to state the obvious in 3…2…1…
Pryor is no quarterback which he has been proving to me since the Navy game. he should just be used as a reciever since he likes to run around…a lot. he simply doesn’t have the Quarterback IQ
osu was and has now proven that they are Overrated.
Who else around here is now looking at that upcoming Michigan game with new eyes?
(love the picture. only thing that put a smile on my face today)
1-5 beats 5-1.
WTF?
It’s called college football
I think I know that guy on the left.
I’m not sure Pryor has the discipline for WR, either…does anyone know how our two deep is looking at Video Coordinator next year? He’s being trained by the one of the best, after all. Seamless transition.
I want a thank you letter from Dick-Rod, Oregon and Joe Pa right now thanking us for saving them from this.
Texas vs. OU: McCoy just made a bone-head INT in the red zone. See, it’s not just our QB. ;-)
Of course, they’re still up 16-13, but hardly offensive juggernauts at the moment.
Pryor is God awful …… he reminds me of Bellasari
3 fumbles … 2 pick offs …. and some really bad passing.
Purdue played a good game but OSU should beat them by
30 points.
Actually, I was starting to wish we had Bellisari back today. He at least made a few good throws along with his bad ones.
Pryor is better than Bellasari but for the love God:
Do not look @ where you are gonna throw the ball.
He should either act like a leader 24/7 or walk away
(all eyes are on you T.P.)
But like Bellasari he can not throw the ball.
Not at throwing. I would take Bellisari throwing the ball every time.
Bellasari was brutal @ throwing the ball.
But to compare T.P. to Bellisari shows
just how low the bar is right now.
Jim Pacenta
mmmmmm…placenta
yeah i love getting pussy almost as much as i enjoy throwing picks
I think Pryor reminds me more of Stanley Jackson or Ron Powlus.
Sorry guys, I lay this loss on the coaching staff. Tressel especially needed the stones to bench Pryor and go with another quarterback —– maybe the peanut vendor could do it for them. Pitiful, just pitiful. I need to go throw up.
At least Tress can’t hide behind the “we only lose to BCS bowl teams” shtick anymore. He’s lost that fire and nepotism has invaded his staff. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the more talented assistants (Hazell, Fickell, Johnson) jump ship sooner rather than later. Unemployment must be pretty high in the Youngstown and Berea areas, so I’m sure Tress knows a few more guys he could hire onto the staff. No Worries.
Matt, if that wasn’t so true it would be funny.
Had to follow the game on internet, so I mssed a lot of the, uh, nuances of the game. It seemed like running with Saine was working early on; why did we get away from it?
We didnt have a lead
We had the lead for the entire first half. 7 carries is a joke.
Being down 9 in the third quarter shouldn’t be pass on everydown area either.
OSU had more penalty yards than rushing yards. Disgraceful.
This game was lost on the O-line, not by TP.
They certainly deserve a lot of the blame. But don’t let the defense off the hook for their performance today. They gave up a lot of yards, including over 200 in the first half when the game was still competitive.
The defense did a great job today. Purdue racked up the yards because they were on the field all day because Pryor kept giving them the ball. Purdue only got 4.3 YPP, and have averaged 6.1 YPP for the rest of the year. Give them enough plays, and they will pile on the yards.
There’s only 5 members of the O-Line and Purdue was regularly sending 8 or 9 guys after Pryor. They could do so because they knew he couldn’t complete a pass to save his life. No O-Line can pass protect for more than two seconds or so before they are overwhelmed. The O-Line played like crap, but I think this game ultimately rests on Pryor’s decision-making and inability to put the ball where it needs to be.
I mean, no 0-Line can protect that long when they are sending 1.5 to 2 men for every blocker in scarlet and gray
True. But sadly, Purdue didn’t need to send that many. Just the hint of pressure puts Pryor on the heel of his back foot.
Seconded.
Horseshit. The o-line play was poor. TP’s play was inexcusible.
Rob, we’re not in the mood for stand up right now!
BTW, Tressel came out and said as much in his post-game presser (referring to struggling with protection).
The O-line coach should… resign.
Today is one of those days where I hate myself for being right, but… after USC I declared Tressel had to go or else we were sliding down the path to mediocrity. I just didn’t expect these kinds of losses to start happening so soon.
I got blasted, had my fanhood and intelligence challenged, and was called a sour piss face.
So how are you JT homers gonna spin this one now?
Purdue ain’t no USC. Hell, they’re not even Notre Dame.
Agreed. Tressel needs to go NOW, or else we’re going back to mediocrity. Rich Rod’s gonna kick our asses now.
You were an idiot then, and still are is my response.
keep burying your head in the sand there buddy. it’ll be like this loss almost didn’t happen!
Tressel needs to go….are you guys that thick? seriously? how many turnovers did Tressel have? How many balls did Tressel throw at WR’s feet? the only crime Tress has committed is sticking with this kid, and watching the backup in the Navy game at this point I don’t know that we have another option. seriously I hope they sit the Kid down in the film room and whack his knuckles every time he missed a wide open WR. I feel bad for Sanzenbacher and Hall. good wr’s getting their careers flushed by a crappy qb.
You can’t be solely responsible for 4 turnovers and expect positive results. Pryor has not matured as a quarterback, if anything, he’s regressed. He still makes terrible decisions and he’s becoming a lot less elusive now that teams gameplan for it.
The defense gave up the soft zone over and over, giving Purdue plenty of 3rd and short situations that they easily converted. For as good as the defense has looked in the past, they didn’t get pressure and they didn’t get stops. They were on the field for a long time, but they didn’t look all that impressive.
The OL and offensive play call was terrible. Why did we abandon the run with Saine when it was the only thing that was working? 4.6 YPC average and you only give him the ball 7 times? The offense was 1-dimensional, Purdue got constant pressure and Pryor couldn’t hit anyone.
That Posey touchdown was a dumb decision by Pryor; yes it worked out, but it was a stupid decision. Turn around and just launch the ball? Stupid.
now Tressel has had teams in 9 national championship
games and forgets more about football than anybody
posting here will know in 200 lifetimes but for the Love of God
it is time to bench Pryor …. you are dead right the last T.D.
was dumb luck w/ Posey grabbing the ball from Dane.
Throwing the ball up like that is begging to get it picked off.
Time to start Bauserman w/ a limited playbook. If a QB can’t
pass he can never be a good QB
Lest we not forget the last TD pass against Whisky last week was ALL receiver. If you watch on slow-mo, the ball was on the opposite side of the receiver (posey-pretty sure) and he completely turned his body around to catch it. What separates the good QB’s from the bad is that same throw–only in places like Austin, Norman, and LA those throws are caught in stride and WR’s arent asked to sacrifice their bodies as much.
JT did not pull Pryor because it’s the ultimate admission of failure by the coaches, the recruiters, and the player himself. This is the true downfall of JT–subborness and unwillingness to admit when he is wrong.
Amen Brotha! I am going to start a “start Bauserman” petition here in Toledo!
TP’s confidence is down, and to keep him in there is dangerous! He doesn’t have the fire in his belly.
“The defense gave up the soft zone over and over, giving Purdue plenty of 3rd and short situations that they easily converted.”
Agreed. But the same thing was happening in the Wisky game. Tolzien was completing throws to wide open receivers while being hit and falling backward. We were able to get turnovers in it that bailed us out.
“For as good as the defense has looked in the past, they didn’t get pressure and they didn’t get stops. ”
I was only able to watch the first 2 1/2 quarters as it was only available to me online and I had to leave and go somewhere I didn’t have access. But from what I saw the pass rush got through the line but they were rolling Elliot outside the pocket to buy him time. I saw no adjustments to counter that. But then why expect any intra-game from this coaching staff?
“Why did we abandon the run with Saine when it was the only thing that was working? 4.6 YPC average and you only give him the ball 7 times?”
Take away the 20 yard run and Saine rushed 6 times for 12 yards. The line wasn’t getting it done. We just don’t seem to either have or want to attempt the short, quick “dink and dunk” passing game that would take the pressure off. Then again we don’t have a QB that can find more than 1 receiver per play.
4.6YPC looks better than 20 of his 32 coming on one play. So of the otehr 6 runs, he had 12 yards. Thats 2.0YPC. Agreed we abandoned the run too early, like we always do. But ALL of the play calling is questionable.
Purdue played a great game, we weren’t ready. Can’t win every game.
It always seems to come down to 4th down with tressel and he never has the stones to go for it. 4th and goal from the 2, down two tds with 7 minutes left and tressel kicks the fg. My word. The offense had not done anything all day and the d was getting beat and he kicks the fg expecting the offense to complete 3 consecutive drives under pressure and hope the d can hold
JT has officially become Lloyd Carr, then. That was the difference in the 2006 game: down by 2 TDs in the second half, Lloyd kicked the FG on 4th and short. Both teams scored as many times, and the Bucks won by 3 points, (would have been 4 but UM went for 2 after their next TD).
Would only need 2 more drives, being down 13. JT doesn’t leave points on the field, are you new here?
Honestly….I feel like a giant weight has been lifted off my chest…No more anixety, pressure, changing schedules, waiting for polls, concerned with one loss teams, reading other teams schedules. Now it’s Michigan & I can
wait to read all the hype for next year !
BTW …Are those Coors /NFL commercials stupid.
You seriously need punched in the face
Anyone who accepts losing to 1-5 teams and is relieved to not have to play elite teams needs to start rooting for Michigan. Now I’m really f*&^ing pissed because we lost and I was forced to use the M word.
Dude. YOu better get used to it, because if Tressel is unwilling to change, as LLLLoyd Carr was, the Buckeyes are going to lose more games. It pains me to say that. It really does, but we have to be REALISTIC here.
Just beat the Meshitagain Crapperines!
No need for violence
Doesn’t matter what anyone on this site thinks, we are stuck with what we have for at least two more years. This season is what it is, Tress isn’t going anywhere, neither is Pryor. If we come out and lose three or four and if this season continues to destruct, then we might start talking hotseat. But until then, you’ll take what you get, and like it.
then i guess i will check back in when uh some people are gone…in the future that is.
Don’t twist your ankles jumping in and out of the wagon. Go Bucks.
don’t worry i won’t because the “wagon” doesn’t exist…anything else that you would like to add?
I’m looking forward to bowl season, watching an SEC team pick-off TP and beat up our O-line. False start anyone?
At least Tressel didn’t look like a tool in the post game interview. He definately answered the questions directly, and so forth….
(if you can’t read the sarcasm, you’re as bright as our play calling)
….says the man who can’t spell definitely.
The Unthinkable just happened. All of the sudden we we’re looking like a 7-5 team. You can forget about the recruits coming here now. We hitched our wagon to TP. Now we’re stuck for two more years but it may have set the program back further than that!
Look on the bright side. We don’t have to worry about the big games anymore:)
Jim Tressel is one of the best recruiters in the country. calm down
he did get tp
It’s going to be a long season with TP at QB
you are all bitch ass fans. Have some confidence. When has tress ever lost to purdue? Today was a fluke none of you deserve to attend a game at the shoe
Yeah, it was a fluke. TP is usually stellar and just had an off day.
NOT! ARE YOU NUTS???
You are living in “la-la land” Get real.
Confidence is one thing, but all one has to do is look at Terrelle’s face and see that he is down, mentally. Bench him and give him time to get the “fire in his belly.”
The OL played like crap but the bottom line on Pryor is: No QB skills, bad decision making, and he is soft. Will not step up into the pocket and deliver the ball in the face of pressure. He doesn’t have it and I don’t see him ever developing into a good college QB.
But here is the most important point: We have serious coaching problems on the O side. Tress must either hand over the reigns to a competent O coordinator and let him run it (and hire his own people) or he must go. There is plenty for Tress to do besides run the O. Be a CEO.
I say give Tressel an assistant athletic director’s position, and let him work hand in hand with Archie Griffin.
You can’t fire a guy that brought you a national championship, no matter what.
Archie is the president of the alumni assoc. But I agree…I think JT would fit in nicely in the AA.
Geez, what a wet noodle offense and special teams unit. Maybe it was the real grass?
Fuck my life…….
Is it hot?
No doubt
High five, you jiven SOB…. Tap my foot when you’re ready.
I said it last week and I’ll say it again. I hope The Braxton Miller hype machine takes a step or two( and learns from the failed TP era at “The Ohio State University” )back so this kid will come here with a head on his shoulders and understand that you have to earn it on the field.
You’ll be alright BuckeyeSki! We’re just gonna have to take abuse for awhile. My voicemail box has been exploding all game. My Blackberry is lighting up like a Christmas tree. I got barbecued the 04 season and we came back. We’ll rise again, but It might have to be with a new coach!
Should have known – when TP announced he was going to be a Buckeye, he said he’d picked, “The University of Ohio State”.
Uhhh…..Wow.
I kinda hope they rescind their offer to Miller. I live in Huber Heights and attend Wayne games regularly. The kid is hurt more often than not, and just doesn’t have the durability to be a QB in the Big 10.
I predict TP will go pro after this year. That’s one problem down. He’s not getting any better in this system, and I am sure he has plenty of people telling him about all the riches he can get as a pro. Too much raw talent for him to not get a look (though I am sure the scouts have figured out that good judgment can’t be taught — you either have it or you don’t — and TP doesn’t have it).
This loss is at the coaching staff’s feet. OSU got a bad call in the first quarter when the hometown reffs gave Purdue the ball back on an obvious fumble. Then OSU checked out for a couple of quarters. That’s the coaching staff’s fault.
BTW, Bellisari was a great safety. He never should have been converted to qb.
After his soph. year? Do you think he’s going to sue the NFL, too?
TP can’t go to the NFL after his sophomore season.
Pro as in NBA?..He can’t leave until 3 years in to go to the NFL
D’oh! Thanks for the correction.
Now there’s a thought: maybe Pryor should consider trying out for the OSU basketball team and playing for Thad Matta.
Wow, we’ve really fallen very far, very fast if we’re debating if Bellisari or Pryor is BETTER!
http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Bellisari.jpg
He was a safety first. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bellisari
He was a badass safety. Even with the rams he was awesome on special teams.
Dude that’s hilarious. That’s how I feel-hunched over standing up in a fetal position and getting throttled by everyone I know who loves to pile on OSU. I say F every last one of you. O.H………
This one is surely on Pryor. His decision making and throwing ability are awful. I am amazed that all he really does is stare down receivers. Teams have figured out how to defend him, contain his running inside and force him to throw. I don’t see an upside other than his running and we have him for the next 2 1/2 years.
Glad to see Jim Cordle as a captain today, he played MASTERFULLY for the two possessions he was in LOL
http://img.waffleimages.com/45d639f622d4ed630a4697164b6e26861d2a54a4/brewster.jpg
I’m too worn out to even try to analize this game…to me there are only 2 adjustments that need to be made…and a 3rd adjustment if the first 2 don’t work or are not implemented.
1st Adjustment – FIRE JIM BOLLMAN and get an offensive line coach who can teach his O-Line how to win the game in the trenches and how to pass protect for his QB.
2nd Adjustment – HIRE AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR NOW – (Stop blaming Pryor for the OSU’s staffs inability to develop his talent and to come up with a creative / effective offensive scheme).
if the first 2 adjustments aren’t made and in a hurry then proceed to the 3rd and final adjustment.
3rd Adjustment (see below)
FIRE JIM TRESSEL
Anal-ize, a good way to sum up today
I agree
Now that the 2009 football season is over all I can say is
Go OSU Men’s Basketball – it all begins on
Monday, Nov 9 vs. Alcorn State 7:00 pm
Sadly, I agree with you. And my disdain for bball is WELL documented…
I thought this was going to be a down year for OSU.
worst fans ever… all of you SUCK
I’m excited about the Toledo Walleye hockey team playing in their NEW 8,000 seat Lucas County Arena!
Go Walleye!
Go Buckeyes!(just beat Misheegoon!)
Hell yea! I havent been in the stadium yet, but I can’t wait to. Go Walleye!
The season isn’t over, yet. We still control our Rose Bowl destiny; the only Rose Bowl contender remaining with whom we won’t get a head-to-head match-up is MSU, and they still have to play Iowa and PSU. I doubt MSU finishes with less than two conference losses.
I’m not saying I think we’ll beat PSU, Iowa, and Michigan. I think we lose at least one of those games, more likely we lose two. But the chance still remains. What I’m more interested in is seeing how this team rebounds from its lowest point since we lost our third straight game, to an unranked Iowa, on 10/16/2004–almost 5 years to the very day. We rebounded from that game and started one of the greatest stretches in OSU football history, although we lost a few big games here and there.
With adversity facing this team in a way it hasn’t in 5 years, I’m going to be a skeptical observer–maybe they can pull it together, but maybe they can’t. In any event, we all knew this season wasn’t a national title season, so now we see if they can regroup.
WHO CARES?
LOUD NOISES
Good talk, Matt.
This is one of roughly 6 cogent thoughts on this entire thread. +100 drown-your-sorrow cocktails, sir.
You do realize we have to play Iowa, Michigan, and Penn St still, with 2 of those being on the road. If we win 2 of those, I’d be shocked. I just hope the one that we do win is Michigan.
Matt…I love your positive outlook and I’ll give you credit for being a voice of reason (trust me that is something that any Sensible Buckeye could appreciate), but the question remains will Tressel fire Jim Bollman?
Will Tressel get an offensive coordinator that is capable of helping the Buckeyes win a National Championship?
And while we’re at it…will Tressel hire a QB coach who is worthy of coaching what was the #1 recruit in Ohio State football history?
Is it just me or has that “310 Days” fire and intensity gone?
Even more likely, we lose all three.
*Crickets*…. “Is this mike on?”
Are you taking Minnesota as a given at this point?
You’re delusional Matt. But I give you an “A” for spirit! ;)
Pryor by the #s
17 of 33 passing (much of the 17 completions were late in the game
against a soft defense)
5 Sacks
3 fumbles (2 lost)
2 interceptions
BTW people might want to skip reading any press, watching t.v.,
or reading the internets (internets are a series of tubes)
granted i am fucked up on 4 or 5 different drugs but all of you are pessimists and god damn bitches. go suck a dick you are all unfaithful
No “go bucks” Just realistic, my drugged up Buckeye brotha.
MY GOD! IT TOOK 13 YEARS TO FIRE COOPER WHEN MOST KNEW HE WAS A LOSER AFTER HIS 3RD YEAR AT OSU. THE PROGRAM MOVES TOO SLOW
AND WE’RE STUCK WITH TP FOR TWO MORE YEARS. THE PROS AREN’T GOING TO BE INTERESTED. TRESSEL SHOULD HAVE BENCHED HIM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THIRD QUARTER. WHAT A WASTE!
tom in michigan says:
10/17/2009 at 5:17pm
THE PROS AREN’T GOING TO BE INTERESTED (in Pryor). TRESSEL SHOULD HAVE BENCHED HIM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THIRD QUARTER. WHAT A WASTE!
To Pryor’s defense – Tressel should do Pryor and the program justice by hiring a proven O-Coordinator, and QB Coach. Look, Pryor is the biggest recruit in OSU History and to offer up poor coaching like Bollman and Nick Sicilliano isn’t going to cut it.
You state that the Pros aren’t interested in Pryor. That might be true.
One thing that can be said for a solid coaching staff is that if you have a good one the pros will come calling for both your players and your coaches.
One thing I will give John Cooper credit for. He wanted the best coaches on his staff, and not just his buddies, friends and yes-men.
best recruit in Buckeye history is a little strong hoss. we’ve got some serious history on our side. the hype is just bigger now.
Chick Harley was a pretty big freaking story coming in. I mean it is the house that Chick built after all.
Tressel has put us on the national stage and while this one was a big ball of bile to take. I think that the story comes down to no scheme in the world allows a QB who can’t complete a pass on 3rd down to save his friggin life to look good. Remember how bad Meatchicken looked when Henne played hurt and we loaded up to beat on Hart? well pryor doesn’t even have to be hurt to suck like that. I counted no less than 6 times in the game where Purdue blitzed 7… it was casino blitz after casino blitz. until the kid can hit a check down route with out hopping like the easter bunny it’s gonna be a long ride. which is too bad because this d had a chance to be special.
This is a very good point: Ohio State is like General Motors. Too slow to respond a changing market.
He gives us the best chance to win at QB, the coaches know more than you do. Caps lock?
You think $5 Million a year for 6 years would get Urban Meyer to Columbus?
Ha, no way. I’m sure he’d want 10 to 15 to take over this mess.
I say we go after John Gruden, install the wildcat/Fun&Gun and make RichRod crap his pants.
+99999999999999999 for the john gruden/RichRod comment
1st Choice – Urban Meyer
2nd Choice – Brian Kelly
3rd Choice – To be determined
Urban Meyer shouldn’t be on the list. He’s a smarmy ass clown. Move Brian Kelly to #1.
Absolutely and completely correct regarding Meyer.
I would give Tressel a 2 year get out of jail card if he would just fire Bollman and hire a new o-line coach and offensive coordinator (who actually called the plays).
+1 to Sensible.
^^Sensible you are correct. I think his job should be conditional: hire some new blood – especially an o-coordinator – or it’s your ass. Enough of this horse shiat!
I’ve said it a million times, no way in hell I want Urban Meyer patrolling the sidelines in Columbus. Dude is as slimey as they come.
Check Buckeye football history even Woody had trouble winning consistantly. If and when Ohio State goes undefeated it is a rare situation. Reality is that with an offensive structure that lacks the ability to morph to exploit pure athletic talent why blame the athlete. TP knows what he can’t do but Tressel keeps trying to force a square peg in a round hole. Tress has shown that the offenses of major college football has moved on and he has not.
with 4 turovers..why wan’t Bauserman in the game… this bad of a showing is going to change some minds of top receivers and perspective QB’s….. this is not good for the program. I have said on this site that it is ridiculous that Nick Siciliano is working with Pryor…. Tressel was a QB coach–he should take over the damn job….. Siciliano has no business as a QB coach…… period. Pryor is regressing and quickly…. everyone has figured out to take take the edges away from him and they all load the box to stop the run…. if a little extra pressure comes, he loses his cool and panics…. 2 fumbles were ameteur at best…. that was the worst QB’ing I have ever seen…… he had 2 int’s and could have had 2 more.. his decisions were never good and when he made a good choice he came back with 2 worse ones. Next week Bauserman should get the start and a message should be sent. Siciliano should also be fired tomorrow morning!! The O-line was hot and cold and the D-line got manhandled by Purdue…. Purdue O-line did a great job at protecting their QB…. kudos to purdue and Danny hope. uggghhhh
Your analysis is 100% correct. Start Bauserman, Tressel!
If a person does the same thing OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, expecting a DIFFERENT RESULT, isn’t that a sure sign that a person is nuts?
I’d take Urban in a heartbeat
I’ll take Brian Kelly, coach of Ohio’s really good D-I football team.
It just may happen yet!
Urban that is, Brian Kelly is a hack! Urban would be able to pull the recruits from all over the Country……
True. Call me crazy but I like Chris Petersen from Boise. Mixes things up, not afraid to change his game plan, and he’s from Ohio, no?
Oops – he’s not an Ohioan. Sorry.
you are such a duesch
douche?
I don’t think anyone would argue with you there, but let’s be honest:
1. He’s not going anywhere.
2. Florida’s talent pool is so deep that it has definitely helped with his overall success.
Um am I the only one who sees how unrealistic it is to expect Urban Meyer to ever come to OSU or are you guys just being sarcastic or something?
This all stems from a radio interview he gave last year before the National Championship game where he said he would like to finish his career at Ohio State-His words, not ours! Lighten up francis Tressel is not a quitter!
That sounds like an Urban myth to me.
LOL
Why? He’s a smarmy jackass too.
Who knows how to recruit and coach. You would probabley be his biggest defender if he coached here.
i would enjoy the team’s wins, if he brought them, but he would still be a jerk. And, who couldn’t recruit in Florida?
You can forget about that one(Meyer).
Brian Kelly could be a real possibility though.
A new class of football has been made today…no really….hear me out
1. There is playing good
2. There is playing bad
3. There is playing Pryor…
I remember that PRIOR to this year, he wasn’t half bad. See what I did there…with the words!?!?!?! LOL
My lord, I def. started drinking the chilled bottle of vodka in my freezer straight up when I got home……
That’s Tres though,
he doesn’t change things at half-time, he never has.
OSU has never come out of the half a different team headed in a new direction. Tres sticks to what he knows, Defense, and Special Teams. I think after the 2002 season he thought he had the formula for a consistent winner and in some aspects he was right, 2 national championship games later its hard to argue with him. The problem is he hasn’t adapted to the ever changing landscape of college football. He’s got Vince Young 2.0 at Qb and he’s trying to run Pro Style offense. Its like have a Lambo on the highway with trucks blocks your every turn. Now i know he made promises to Pryor, “i’ll make you into Troy Smith” but troy smith ran the fuck out of the ball till he learned how to throw the ball. Ya gotta learn how to walk be for you can run kinda thing.
What people need to understand now is how do you get a man and “self proclaimed winner” to change?
He’s lost enough big games to garner that kind of criticism, but losing to a 1-5 Purdue is just plain unacceptable. No coach should be giving that kind of leeway.
And after his press conference i feel he will never change, he thinks just getting back at it will make all the difference next week.
WOOOOO there Vest.
You just got stumped by a terrible purdue when you where a 13.5 favorite… on the road.
The Ohio State Football program is in some serious trouble, and putting a band-aid on a cut to a main artery is not going to work.
You need some help. You’ve got the defense down i’ll give ya that much but for all the pomp and praise these o-line men got coming out of high school they’ve done nothing. And its not because of lack of skill, its coaching.
We’ve got pro level talent dripping for every position, should’n we have some people coaching them with pro level experience?
Don’t look now, but Florida is losing at home to Arkansas. The vaunted Tebow offensive machine has exactly 6 points with 3:10 left in the 3rd quarter.
Never mind that. Tebow just threw a 77-yard TD pass.
You jinxed that one………
Sorry about that. How about this: “Mallett’s a punk!”
He’s better than TP tho…..
The reverse jinx is working. Mallett is still missing wide open receivers left and right, but the Hogs just tied it up with a FG.
Jesus has been 6 sacked times!
Not enough Rum… must… get… 11th Cuba Libre…
I’m asking for a pocket passer for Xmas
Better get a pocket first.
best comment ever
+1000
Well played.
Hogs just scored a TD on a long pass by Mallett. He’s still terrible but he made a good throw there.
I’d take him over “Toilet Paper”
Just a minute ago he was 6 of 19 for 90 yards, with negative yardage rushing.
PAT is good. Arkansas leads Florida 20-13 with 9:40 remaining in the game. Hold on Hogs!
Home cooking on the pass interference in end zone!
More home cookin’. That was a horrible call. Jesus is clearly working for them.
Yep, that was homerism all the way.
I see this as a potentially good thing. It was about this time in ‘04 that Tressel replaced Justin Zwick (anotther hyped QB) with Troy Smith. I’m not saying Bauserman is Troy Smith. But we didn’t think Krenzel was even McMullen. Alll is not lost. There are some potential superstars on the O who could flourish with a competent game manager.
The putrescence with which TP played surely can’t go unnoticed by JT…can it?
As far as the coaching personnel changes that need to be made, all of the criticism is valid. But as near as I can tell, Tressel wouldn’t care if Larry, Curly & Moe were on the staff. Clearly he makes ALL of the decisions & that isn’t going to change. There is a method to his madness. All I can say is that he brought home a MNC – which I despaired would ever happen in my lifetime. So, I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
From the Dispatch comments:
“Sorry guys I’m going to tell you the truth you don’t want to hear. I just watched the Purdue game and OMG. I saw 1) Pryor taking off his helmet multiple times, 2) Pryor visibly yelling in frustration at teammates 3) Pryor with 4 turnovers two fumbles and two picks 4) Pryor talking back to the head coach 5) Pryor walking in front of the head coach who was still talking while turning his back to him. HE HAS NO DISCIPLINE. A group of superior Ohio State athletes were beaten by a group of inferior Purdue athletes who had discipline. As long as Pryor is aloud to continue to behave like a child this pattern will continue. He talked trash leading up to this game and then could not back it up…”
IS THIS TRUE??? I watched on gamecast.
That guy shouldn’t be “aloud” to leave comments until he learns how to spell.
I’d rather allow coach Tressell to determine when a guy needs some discipline. It worked with Ray Small, it’ll work with other guys.
I def. saw him walk away from JT once while being yelled at…ripping @ his chinstrap buckels multiple times and generally pointing the finger…..fuck TP really I want Bauserman against Minny plain and simple….let the ’superstar’ sit a game and maybe he’ll wake up
I’m not opposed to that. It might be the best thing for Pryor’s development to shake him up a bit. But he’s our QB.
It helped Steamin’ Willie Beamen to get some sense knocked into him.
Anyone who has the game on DVR, check out the sideline discussion between JT and TP after the last 3rd down sack on the final drive. TP clearly brushes JT’s hand off of his shoulder pads while JT is calmly trying to talk him down. Unbelievable.
i will take a look at this….b/c i decided to dvr even though i cancelled plans to watch this shitty, god awful game. i did not like seeing terrelle yell at duron after his pick that was intended for duron…..sure, duron could have, maybe, attempted to knock the pass down…..but that pass was badly underthrown and into what looked like some pretty good coverage…i advocate bringing in bauserman to calm the offense down….and yes, even bauserman could play bad if this were to happen….but i think it’s worth a shot. it’s not like pryor has to be sidelined b/c bauserman is playing either (though it might seem implausible to have pryor playing a different position offensively at this point).
I just watched that incident. It’s not as bad as you portray. No doubt Pryor lacks discipline, but that event is not an example of it.
What I fear is that Pryor believes his own hype and that in conjunction with those of us who question the staff’s ability to cultivate his talent, we may see more and more of this behaviour as he begins to blame the coaching staff for his poor play.
I am not sure if the problem is with the coaches ability to teach, TP’s inability to be taught, or worse, his refusal to learn because after all, isnt he the star?
Let’s not forget who runs this team. If he doesn’t watch it, JT will wipe his ass with TP.
I hope TP doesn’t turn into Maurice Clarrett. Remember his “Michael Vick” black eyes?
He obviously likes and sympathizes with criminals.
Yeah, just wait until TP starts blaming the O line, coaches and receivers in the media.
Only 2.5 years left in the juice in columbus (jic) experience.
Hereby nominate JiC as Pryor’s new nickname.
Florida tied it up, 20-20 with 6:40 remaining and Arkansas with the ball now.
That TD was gifted to them after two terrible calls.
Pryor was definitely yelling at Tressel. Time to sit down young man.
Arkansas’ terrible kicker just missed a FG. Still tied 20-20 with 3:08 left. Dang, Florida only needs a FG now.
No Passion – No Results
Tressel won the National Championship too soon. You can’t convince me that he or anyone on is staff is as hungry as they were prior to winning it all.
JT is now a community leader, author, philanthropist and coach (in that order).
Time to trade in his coaching job for the speaking circuit.
Id settle for 60 mins of offensive intensity my friend…
Exactly
Amen to that!
I didn’t want to but I have watched some USC v N.D.
& Arkansas v Florida (how much were the refs paid?)
and all those teams have QBs who can pass. There is
no way that Pryor should start next week.
Tebow just got away with a sure INT in the end zone because his receiver played defense well (and should have been called for PI).
Those SEC officials are making sure the Gators keep advancing
Florida just kicked a FG with 9 seconds left. And the press will undoubtedly celebrate the great comeback win over an unranked team at home.
That game was given to Florida!
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Let’s keep it civil here. — Joe
might wanna kill the link in the guy’s name too
Audience calm down
BOOM MALLETT’ED
Big drama in South Bend! Don’t see them winning this one with 1 sec though.
Carlos Hyde would have had to have been a key part of this offense.
Saine and Boom are ok, but neither is a dominant threat like Beanie was. Plain and simple a reliable dominating running game is sorely missed right now. No doubt TP could use the help.
You cant point any fingers towards Saine, who was IMHO, the ONLY bright spot of the offense today. Unfortuantly (sp?) he didnt get ANY carries!!! Again…..fuck my life….
3rd and 5 on the last drive, why are we not running some option play or QB keeper?
Because Pyror wants to be a pocket passer to be a better pro prospect.
Stop running the option! Pryor cant even read an option play. This just in: Pryor will be the Player To Be Named Later in the Justin Boren trade.
Pryor should be be running more. He is the best athlete on the field.
dude pryor can’t even win on Vince Youngs legend making play the zone Read. He fails the whole “read” part entirely.
In spite of this….GO YANKS!!!!! My NY pride is still in check!!
http://www.FireNicSiciliano.com
Pryor looks worse than Steve Bellisari… I cringe everytime he drops back to throw. Why did we give up on the run after that first scoring drive?
Guh. FML.
I’m going back to root for ‘Bama like I did when I was 8.
Here’s the truth, Terrelle Pryor runs this team not Jim Tressel. Tressel is scared of TP and wont provide him with the discipline he needs. It’s sad but obvious to anyone paying attention. JT made a Faustian bargain to get TP and the program is paying the price.
When are you guys going to stop selling that LeBron in Cleats shirt? What a pathetic claim that is.
seriously. that meme needs to be dropped NOW.
Alot of emo people here.
Now, the 2009 Ohio State Buckeyes are toeing the precipice. And a lot can happen between – shall we suppose – 11-2 and 7-6?
After Times Square announced the upset and threw back to the Cotton Bowl, Herr Herbstreit opined that he was surprised Pryor was not further along in his development. I’m in Toledo and don’t have the regular opportunity to hear his radio discourse. So, I don’t know if he was implying disgust with Tressel or that Pryor was over-rated or a little of both. Any ideas?
It seems to me this is kinda like the experience of that other much-heralded QB, Art Schlichter.
Obviously, we’re hoping this loss was one of those “turning points” and that Pryor will ultimately have “turned defeat into glory.”
But, darker thoughts lurk in my mind, as well. Losing the last three? And the bowl? Sure.
Who knows. Maybe Pryor will be Ohio State’s first high-profile, outgoing, transfer.
The Big Ten Championship and a win in the Rose Bowl are still possibilities, right?
I hate to sound like this, but a lot of the 2002 team were all Coop’s recruits, JT is a pretty good recruiter, but those were Coop’s guys, not his.
He won though
yeah..i guess so..just feeling down =’(
Its fine. Just people need to stop overreacting. This is suppose to be a semi down year for OSU this year anyways.
Losing to a 1-5 Purdue isn’t semi-down.
It is embarrassing.
and without the mcgahee injury, we would not have won, just sayin….
get over it asshole, it was 7 years ago and we won you whinny dick!
well, everyone wanted Tressel to be more like Pete Carroll. Now he is.
Now go watch that “Hitler defends Pete Carroll” video and substitute
“Earle Bruce” for “Buddy Hackett” and “Tressel” for “Carroll”
People need to stop blaming Pyror. That offensive line is horrible. Bauserman would get destroyed.
yes anyone else back there would get killed
I think the O-line looks so bad because the defense does not have to worry about Pryor beating them in the passing game. Put a passing quarterback back there and they cannot bring the house and leave receivers open.
Wow! This post took criticizing Ohio State coaches to a new level.
I think people are putting too much stock in this #1 recruit thing. #1? Who says? And why? Because he is big and fast? Xavier Lee was big and fast. He wouldn’t be the first can’t miss to miss. He just doesn’t get it. He doesn’t learn from his mistakes. Whatever the coaches are telling him is not sinking in. And maybe worst of all, he is not a leader. You can’t teach leader.
He can turn it around, but each week looks more and more like another position would be the best move for the team.
Anyone know his GPA? I wonder what kind of student he is in class. Because he’s not a very good student on the field.
Maybe he hasn’t read the winners manual enough times, or maybe better yet maybe he can’t read books just like he can’t read defenses!!!!!!!!!!
Giving Tressel Pryor is like giving me a helicopter. I don’t know what to do with it, and it’s going to end in a fiery crash.
Mebbe a good rule would be for your starting QB to have to declare a major by the beginning of his Sophmore year, and to make sure he actually shows up for class?
Pryor may not be smart enough to play QB.
He’s not smart enough to play qaurterback at “The University of Ohio State!” Bring on the waterboy…………………………..
Ive Said it before and I will say it again. This is a players game, and TP came out and didnt perform and neither did the O-line. I said the offense looked like a high school team and Pryor is the leader of the high school O. He looks lost and confused, and it wasn’t like Purdue was doing anything crazy. JT and his staff may have put the perfect plan in place for all we know, but the kids didn’t perform.
And lets stop this defense is the greatest thing ever talk. The last two games they have looked average and can’t get off the field for any 3rd downs. Yes they cause turnovers, but they give up a ton of yards and keep other teams offenses on the field. They are good yes, but great? Wisconsin and Purdue did whatever they wanted; just so happened Purdue punched it in the end zone a few times. They are good, but not great.
I’m actually getting tired of the Pryor/Bellisari comparisons. If anyone, compare Pryor to Justin Zwick, who was also a prize recruit.
Tress gave up on Zwick for Troy Smith (not quickly enough, looking back), but his commitment level is obviously much higher to TP, and also Bauserman isn’t really a Troy Smith waiting behind TP. Either way, this has some shades of 2004 in it, minus the losing streak (so far). Bauserman at least deserves a shot, right?
Also, as far as TP in the Pros… After experiencing the Vince Young experiment, teams are hesitant on the Vince Young style of QB. TP should just switch to WR and bulk up, that’s his only shot at the pros the way I see it. I think this whole “preparing for the pros” talk is a bunch of rubbish anyway.
I watched the 2004 Purdue/tOSU re-broadcast on Friday(?)on ESPNU or ECL. I would have taken Zwick in that game over Pryor in most games this year. He could pass and ran OK for a SWB.
Not one person mentioned the toucdown we had called back on the holding call. I didn’t see the hold and I’ve watched the replay 10 times. We got hosed on the fumble recovery – there wasn’t a whistle.
We took Purdue too lightly. No fire at the beginning.
Left too many points on the field – that has been stated.
I have stated on this blog earlier in the week that Purdue was a hard luck team.
Maybe just maybe they will look at film and see that short passing game can work – Pryor should of scored on that long run.
The folks here in Oklahoma want Stoops fired. They say he won his only national title with John Blake recruits. They say he lost his magic after his O-Coordinator, Mark Mangino went to Kansas.
The fans here say Stoops can’t win the big one.
To me it sounds like unrealistic expectations. Teams do not go undefeated every year. Young teams lose games they shouldn’t. Heck Colt McCoy lost twice to a crappy Kansas State team.
Did Urban Meyer win his championship with Zook’s recruits? Didn’t Tebow of Nazareth lose 5 games his sophomore season?
It is ok to be passionate fans, but some of this stuff is just nonsense. I always claimed that Ohio State had smart fans, but now it seems we are no different than other fan bases.
I didn’t read all the posts here and I looked at the poll and voted “No” and saw that most votes were for “Yes”. However I think Jason’s post points out one key item here.. and I think that item is that you can’t blame Pryor…
Pryor is such a tremendous athlete he was able to dominate in high school, but he was never coached to be a QB, so he came here with the understanding that he wasn’t a passer, had horrible mechanics and needed a lot of work to learn how to pass.. so what does JT do? He puts this putz Nick Siciliano as the man to develop TP… Are you kidding me? Now Nick may know a bit about the position and footwork .. blah blah blah but the fact of the matter is when you have the #1 recruit in the nation you need to go out and hire and NFL caliber QB coach who has experience and a proven history of coaching these players up.. Pryor deserves better than this, and he is getting the short end of the stick.. and I’ll add somehting else..
Pryor needs REPS.. REPS REPS REPS… not just in game REPS, he needs to throw 300 balls a day.. thats the only way that his mechanics are going to improve.. thus improving his level of comfort in the pocket..
When Tiger Woods changed his swing he worked from 530am to dark… every day.. he hit over a 1000 balls a day.. there was no bitching about wearing his arms out… he just did it.. he had to.. and within a year he was better than ever…
when Lebron was sick and tired of people saying he could only drive to the hoop and couldn’t shoot like Kobe.. he decided to have a shooting coach travel with him everywhere and he spends hours everyday.. even on game day.. before the game… shooting jumpers and three pointers.. hours!
this is what it takes people to change this bad habit and make it second nature..
then the 2nd piece of the puzzle… help Pryor out.. run a 4 and 5 receiver set spread formation… anyone notice that this is when TP started being able to find receivers yesterday at the end of the game?? He isn’t troy smith.. he cant find the open man with a 2 receiver, 2 TE formation.. he needs this type of offense to feel comfortable.. we have the athletes and recruits to get open … and guess what else the spread allows? Room for him to run.. let him run when he needs to.. and as he improves his mechanics and improves his ability to see the field.. then you can change it up more.. I blame all of this on the coaching staff, a Major FAIL to them…. Troy made them look good but he couldn’t be denied .. he was a “special” player.. other than that they fail at offense..
Unfortunately TP isn’t a pro-athlete with the dedication/maturity to be able to go out and do what those SuperStars did. He’s a 19 year-old kid who needs time to grow up.
As Jason wrote above, this growth will NEVER happen with a coach, nay, video coordinator mentoring him.
…..still waiting for that offensive coordinator…. //wrists
I’m not saying he is going to go out and do what they did.. you are missing my point.. the point is Terrelle deserves the best QB coach we can get.. if it fails after that then ok.. but you can’t have Nick S coaching him and expect the kid to make the kind of strides he could be making..
The entire offense deserves to have a coordinator with a plan, and a system and a scheme, etc. Why are we the only big time program in the country that doesn’t have an offensive mind running that side of the ball. I can understand if you are urban meyer or another of these offensive “geniuses” that a HC would maintain control over the O, but even he has an offensive coordinator.
Why, why, why???
I missed your point like Ohio State did when they hired Nic Sucks-a-big-one.
and yes our oline once again looked bad as well but this is just another problem in a laundry list full of issues with this offensive coaching staf.. we DO need new coaches… this is like my Mom driving a ferrari..
I promised myself I was going to avoid the internets, and other sports media outlets so I wouldn’t have to go through hearing all the BS, BUT apparently I like the pain. Losing to USC is one thing, losing to a 1-5 Purdon’t team is just sickening.
WTF happened? Pryor is bad. I don’t think there is a coach on the planet earth who could teach him how to be a “pro-style” QB. Why in the world did we keep passing the ball? Zoom was getting it done and the O line was blocking well for the run. Was it to get TPs confidence up? I can’t help but think that maybe we are sacrificing the wins for TP’s development.
Last year Pryor said this was just like high-school, then you have his Vick comments, recently he said there was going to be an offensive explosion, and then acting like a punk on the sidelines this week all add up to what? He needs some humble pie in a large dose and maybe this game is just that. I don’t think we can put him on the bench because of how poorly we are blocking for the pass right now. BUT maybe that’s just the change that will get the O’line and the rest of this team fired up……
Maybe this will be a great experience for TP and he will turn it around to end the season with a win up north and a bowl victory. I won’t be miserable with that and the thought of how awesome next year could be. AND don’t bring up that “we expect to win a national title every year” sh*t. Because we just can’t. 02 was a long time ago and how long was it before that?
For some reason, I am not as angry this morning. I have resolved myself to the fact that our offense is generally pathetic year in and year out and getting mad is getting old.
therefore, let’s look at the positives.
The ONLY potential good that can come from this fiasco:
1. JT finally sees the need to make changes in the offensive philosophy and coaching in the off-season. Maybe losing to a 1-5 team with a horrendous defense sparks a change. He can’t do much about either in the middle of the year, but maybe in the off-season; AND
2. the rest of the games are gonna be interesting and not over by halftime. should be an exciting finish. we can beat every team left on the schedule or we could lose to any of them as well. if nothing else, we have no idea how the year will end up and every play the rest of the way could be important. New Mexico State game looks like an interesting game all of a sudden.
You left out one more good thing. They won’t lose 4 straight BCS games.
I am waiting for Dispatch to make a correction. When the comment was made that the O is ready to explode, the quote was supposed to read ‘implode’. There’s a difference.
Explode can mean “blow up”.
You guys really think Bauserman is going to accomplish anything behind that o-line? Purdue’s front four shredded them all day. Particularly I watched Ballard get embarrassed everytime he tried to pass block.
I do not. I will admit to wanting to see a change yesterday … just for a change of pace for a series. Just to do something.
But, overall, in no way do I advocate that Joe would do any better long-term. TP must keep playing. No one can do anything consistent behind this O-line, and at least TP can run a little.
We saw in the NC game against FL that even with Troy, Gonzo, Pittman and other NFL talent on the O, when you are incapable of giving the QB time, it is not gonna be pretty.
4 TO’s! Hell yes he should have been benched. And I’m one who thinks that Bauserman isn’t the answer. The Kid has to be humbled and and given the motivation to correct his mistakes.
Put in Bobby “The Stick” Hill.
not necessarily, but pryor looks so lost that i think he has earned a benched.
he absolutely earned a benching yesterday. After his final interception, it was finally to the point that even TP should admit that he should have been taken out. Only for a series or so, but he needed to be sat down yesterday. You would have a hard time finding a poorer performance for 3 qrts. If that is not cause for a benching, no such reason exists.
There would have been nothing wrong with that at all.
for the season overall, however, he needs to be the starter.
Is Terelle Pryor any relation to Richard Pryor?
He sure made me laugh saturday !!!
Anderson got sat for less.
Pretty soon JT will be in Gene Smith’s office.
GS: Jim, you’re going to have to change some things both long term and short term or this situation is going to start effecting revenues.
JT: What do you have in mind?
GS: Short term, give Bauserman some reps if the Kid’s not doing it. Long term, think about changes within your staff; and I specifically mean OC, OLC and QBC.
JT: OK
………..
Sorry, just woke up fom a good dream.
Honestly, coming into this season everyone knew there were so many questions on offense. The line is very young, TP is really young, the receiving corps is young. Lots of problems were bound to happen. It is frustrating that it hasn’t gotten any better, but I’m not ready to fire the coaching staff can TP just yet. Think about some other “Elite” programs who have had rough seasons recently. Florida had a few loses two years ago and lost to Michigan who was beat by App State in the same season. LSU had a bad season last year. Oklahoma has had struggles and they’ll be back just fine. This team went just a few years ago was not good. I witnessed them get killed by Iowa in Iowa. That season, in the bowl game, it was a totally different offense that took the field and this team has been on a tear since then. Sometimes, you just have an off year guys. Chill out relax, if this team loses 4 or 5 games then so be it. It happens once in a while. It does not however mean that they program is crashing and burning.
While your points are valid, Brian, Florida’s crappy season is sandwiched between two national titles. Most importantly one of which was BEFORE their crappy year. The same can be said about LSU. Where is our positive to hang our hats on? A loss to Texas?
Sure, there are potential positives, and I like your optimism. The best thing we can do right now is stay optimistic. But, I feel this team is at a crossroad right now. Fact, we are still in control of a fifth B10 crown, and at the same time we could lose 4 or 5 and play in the Liberty Bowl or something. Another fact is that something needs to change right now.
While coaching is the main culprit in my case file, some blame has to be placed on Pryor. Alot of the plays were there to made yesterday, but Pryor failed to make the reads. So is it time to bring in Joe B. ? Or should we ride Pryor to the bloody end?
Here’s my suggestion: use a two QB system the rest of the year. Dont cringe just yet.
Reason #1: Takes some pressure off TP to carry the team.
Reason #2: Throws a new wrinkle into preparing to face our offense.
reason #3: One of our best recent showings, Fiesta Bowl, came under a two QB system.
Reason #4: Let’s us find out if Bauserman is “the man” or not. I know TP has the accolades, but I dont care if you couldn’t make the pee-wee team, if you can win games, then you should be the Buckeye QB.
Brian: I am not, and I think most fans are not, saying the program is crashing and burning. And we all remember 2004 and realize the team can have down years with 4 or more loses. Hell remember JT’s first year was 7-5, I believe. That is not that long ago.
But, there is reason to be concerned with the coaching staff’s ability to build a very good (not great) offense. The sample size is large enough now to show that consistently this program – as a program – is a below average offense for a top 10 program and one that consistently plays with the big boys in BCS games annually – simply different worlds in terms of offense with OSU and everyone else in that league of national powers that are always playing in the big bowls.
At some point, you have to want to do better and not stand still. I think calling for some changes was maybe a little quick and reactionary a season or two ago, but the calls are more reasonable now, even for those fans that always think calls for changes are ridiculous.
Toledo Blade(newspaper) Sunday headline: “Buckeyes Stunned!”
Stunned? Shocked? Really? Anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge could SEE THIS COMING! And the Buckeyes may not be done losing.
Terrelle Pryor needs to be benched and Joe Bauserman should get a shot at QB. He can’t do any worse, for Pete’s sake! He played minor league baseball, so he should be relatively accurate with his throws. TP is TELEGRAPHING HIS PASSES, the play calling is PREDICTABLE, and the offensive line STILL CAN’T BLOCK!
OSU has some of the most highly recruited players in the nation on offense(QB, tailback, WR, and now O-line recruits), and still can’t get it done!
On top of all that, they are going to probably have MORE YARDS IN PENALTIES THAN RUSHING this year!
Horrible performance by the Ohio State offense, against a team that just lost five in a row.
Tressel needs to hire an EXPERIENCED offensive coordinator and let him call the plays. (How about Tom Amstutz, the former Toledo Rockets HC that used to regularly score 60+ points a game?)
But right now, Tressel needs to BENCH PRYOR, because he is like a goalie that has just had 6 goals scored on him. His confidence is down, and you’re only going to make it worse by leaving him in there. 5 turnovers. Not good.
I have no idea how well Bauserman would do throwing the ball. I am completely certain, however, that he would never have the time to show us, either.
TP needs to start. Behind this line we need that 30 or 40 yard scamper as a possibility.
long-term, though, put me squarely in the camp that we need to go hire an offensive mind. Someone that has a system, with coherence and continuity. Recruit it, teach it and repeat. No identity, no continuity presently with the offense year after year it seems.
Amstutz is not a bad idea, actually. I’ll take it. Whatever he ran in Toledo, bring it here, install it, and use it with NFL athletes. I bet we do not worse.
a top 10 team losing to a 1-5 team is stunning.
I would love to be a fly on the wall at the Buckeye HQ.
When I get this depressed I turn to Mr. Cody Paul. Look for him on you tube.
Who would you rather be Charlie Weiss or the Vest at this moment in time?
One guy has a very real chance of being fired this year, so that’s an easy question. The other only stands a real chance of being fired in some fantasy land where a coach with an 80+ percent winning percentage gets canned because his line can’t block for crap.
i hear what you’re saying with the win percentage. yes, it is impressive and i readily admit that it takes a good coach to do that. however, during tressel’s tenure, i feel that some other coaches could have done the same if not worse/better. i feel that way because this is osu we are talking about. osu brings in boatloads of talent….or at least big time recruits who are supposed to be good at football, no? so this is a prestigious program that tressel is working at, and i really don’t think that other programs in the big ten compare, save a few…..during the timespan that tressel has been here. i don’t want to delve into the past and make some longwinded comparisons (im talking during tressel’s time here). so with that, i will put some impressive games that he’s won and some ugly games that he’s lost (i may leave out some, but don’t take it to heart)….and yes, he shouldn’t be fired. he is getting criticized though for not winning big games that date back to the florida national championship….not a good sign.
impressive games won:
michigan (2001, 2002, 2005, 2006)
miami, fl. (2002-2003 NC game)
notre dame (2005-2006 fiesta bowl)
texas (2006 out of conference game)
and plenty of primetime big ten games
ugly losses:
certain big ten games that should not have been lost (including yesterday)
florida (2006-2007 NC game)
LSU (2007-2008 NC game)
South Carolina (2001 outback bowl)
Texas (2008-2009 fiesta bowl)
USC (2 out of conference games)
he balances out in a way. nothing special or great. his 80% win percentage is fine and dandy….just wish he would bolster it with some big game wins as of late…otherwise he loses credibility as time passes.
maybe a nice win at penn state and a home win against iowa?
“and plenty of primetime big ten games”. sure those games count…i’m not trying to take away anything.
WE ARE THE SECOND BEST TWO-LOSS TEAM IN THE COUNTRY, CHOKE ON IT TEXAS TECH
I guess the way I look at it is pretty simple (I have never had to call plays and I am not a Video Coordinator, so what do I know about developing a QB?), but what I know is that every February tOSU is a consensus “Top 10″ in recruiting. Yet, somehow, that “talent” is consistent only in terms of being in the bottom half of the Big Ten in offense (year in, year out). Remember the fuss that was made about “Block O?” (Brewster, Shugarts, Adams, etc…) and they’re horrible. Since I don’t know much, can someone please tell me what, OTHER than (poor) coaching/development would explain this?
I know if nothing else changes we are destined to become Nebraska (circa 2001). Decent defense, but no offense. Eventually talented offensive players are going to get it (and trust me, other coaches will explain it to them, if they don’t get it right away) that there is no point in wasting their talent at OSU (ah-lah TP ….so they’ll be told). Imagine JT developing 2 and 3 star talent?!? Yikes!
What are the chances of us running the table and playing in the Rose Bowl?
Slim and none
When hell freezes over
One in a million
All of the above
a product of the three raised to some undefined exponent.
we better just get ready for minny
What Tressel needs to do now is hand the offense to Hazell. Let Hazell make the decisions and whatever the heck Bollman tells him from the booth. Tress can touch special teams cuz obviously Tress is good at that and emphasizes that. Tressel making the decisions on offense is NOT good.
I would love to hear a week after the bowl this year that Jim Bollman is fired and Siciliano becomes the equipment assistant while we somehow get a pretty good offensive coordinator/QB coach. Or heck just have someone come in and be the OC and someone else be the QB coach. Whatever the case is, that is where the money is. If that happened and all play calls were made by the new guy then our offense would roll like it should with the talent we have.
Just imagine in the sports section of the dispatch.
BOLLMAN FIRED!
Not sold on Hazell. OSU needs an actual offensive coordinator to whip the offense into shape, not someone from the program.
Install Hazell as a full-time playcaller and I think we’ll be changing our tune. No reason to go outside our program when we don’t know the capabilities of the guys we already have.
Tressel might be a Fulmer, win one NC then crapout to 7-5, 8-4 (we might have the 10 wins because the big 10 sucks)
I need a hug and for somebody to tell me everything will be ok.
you guys take this game WAY TOO SERIOUSLY
Plus, Nick, other than 04 when has Tressel ever gone 8-4 or 7-5?
2001.
ok if you really want to count the first year…
you asked..
I don’t know why you wouldn’t, but you may have a point about taking this loss too seriously. Buckeyes will rebound and life is too short. Very tragic news out of the UConn football program:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/18/sports/AP-FBC-UConn-Stabbing.html?hp
i have been saying the same thing about kid nick being our q.b. coach . what a joke. godamnit get me john gruden, joe tiller out of retirement, mike tomczak,
he got the job because joe daniels unfortunately became very sick. we owe it to pryor to give him the best TEACHER.
dude,if TP wanted the best teacher he would have went to Michigan! What hurts the most, you know I’m right!
TP has the intelligence of a sack of hammers. The kid is too dumb to play QB. He makes Vince Young look like Ken Jennings.
I was at the game yesterday…I can’t believe Purdue fans were actually able to talk smack after the game. There was nothing I could say back to them either. Too bad they can’t even come close to selling out a stadium that holds 62500. I have never seen a Div. 1 college football game with that many empty seats before.
What happen guys????? I thought TP was Jesus playing quarterback. Wait…. you hear that????? that noise is the change that happened between the osu and michigan programs by TP picking osu! Good luck with a jv qb and no help coming for that postion. Way to swing for the fences on Montana!!
Aww man, you got me all mad. I almost forgot about the game and here you come, bashin my program ang gettin me all upset. I can’t believe how bad OSU is man! You’re right man, michigan is way way way better. We made a bad decision gettin Pryor man. We shoulda got Nick Montana man! Yeah, or got like a good qB man! Pryor throws like a girl man! You really destroyed my confidence, what a burn! Tate Forcier is swiggity sweet! He’s gonna totally beat OSU from here on out!
Skunk bear season! Got my turd pile baited, and once the federal judges leave these parts, pickin’s will be good. Might get lucky and bag me a long hair, too!
All that glam for the price of a ‘Vette and a medical procedure or 2!! tO$U got Cryor on the cheap!