The Buckeyes, having ended their season at least a full two weeks before the rest of the world, find themselves in a good position to play in the Fiesta Bowl, and probably against an opponent from the Big 12. Let’s take a look back at the last time the Buckeyes played a Big 12 opponent in the desert – the 2004 Fiesta Bowl, against Kansas State.
The Wildcats
Kansas State University is located in Manhattan, Kansas, which is only slightly more populated and exciting than any given Siberian town on a Tuesday night. Bill Snyder, who earned his chops as an assistant under Hayden Fry at Iowa, had built the lowly Wildcat program into a Big 12 contender, mainly through the use of juco transfers and soft scheduling.
Kansas or Siberia?The 2003 Wildcats started the season ranked #7, then suffered a midseason swoon, losing three straight games to Marshall, #13 Texas and Oklahoma State. Snyder’s team righted the ship with seven straight wins, though, including a shocking Big 12 Championship Game upset of then top-ranked Oklahoma. The Wildcats ran up 549 points in the course of the season – the third-highest total points in school history.
Kansas State’s option attack featured quarterback Ell Roberson, who accounted for 3520 rushing and passing yards, and running back Darren Sproles, who rushed for 1986 more on the ground. The Wildcats played just enough defense to keep opponents honest – Bret Bielema served as Snyder’s defensive coordinator.
The Big 12 champions entered the Fiesta Bowl ranked eighth and favored by seven points.
The Buckeyes
See if any of this sounds familiar: a senior-laden, top-ten Buckeyes squad, geared up for a national title run, sent to the Fiesta Bowl as a consolation prize against a Big 12 opponent. Eerie, huh?
The comparisons end there, though. The 2003 Buckeyes were the defending national champions, and stayed in the top ten throughout the year, despite road losses to Wisconsin and Michigan. (Once upon a time, The Game was a rivalry, and in 2003, both Michigan and Ohio State were top-5 teams.)
Tressel’s offense was led by senior quarterback Craig Krenzel and featured a wealth of talent at receiver in future first-round draft picks Michael Jenkins and Santonio Holmes (Drew Carter was there, too, and seems to be doing alright). The running game was something of an unsettled affair following the departure of Maurice Clarett, and relied on Lydell Ross and Maurice Hall.
But it was on defense and special teams where the Buckeyes really shined. The roster had future NFL players all over it, including Tim Anderson, Bobby Carpenter, A.J. Hawk, Chris Gamble, Donte Whitner, Robert Reynolds, Quinn Pitcock, Will Smith, Simon Fraser, Darrion Scott, Ashton Youboty and Dustin Fox – possibly the best collection of NFL-caliber talent in Ohio State history. Kicking duties were handled by Mike Nugent – another future NFL draft selection – and punter B.J. Sander.
Ohio State, denied a Big Ten title by the loss to Michigan, came to Tempe ranked #7 in the country and in an angry mood.
Show Time
Kansas State had problems before the game so much as kicked off. Ell Roberson was accused of sexual assault by a 22-year-old Kansas State alumna who happened to be “visiting” Roberson at the team’s hotel in the early morning hours before the game (no charges were filed). Snyder elected to play Roberson, but didn’t make the decision until minutes before kickoff, and the uncertainty surrounding his situation showed in Roberson’s first-half play.
Where have you gone, AJ DiHawkggio (University photo)Ohio State started out the gate quickly. Special teamer John Hollins returned a blocked K-State punt for a touchdown, and Craig Krenzel overcame two first-quarter interceptions with a 6-yard scoring strike to Santonio Holmes on a crossing pattern, giving the Buckeyes a 14-0 lead.
Kansas State started their next possession pinned at their own 5-yard line. The Buckeyes rushed seven, hurried Roberson into throwing an interception to Chris Gamble, and Krenzel hit Michael Jenkins for a 17-yard touchdown on the very next play (you can see that three-play series here). Ohio State had rolled out to a 21-0 lead – the first 21-0 lead in Buckeyes bowl history, and a tie for the team record for largest lead in a bowl game.
The Wildcats finally scored with 3:01 left in the second quarter on a 6-yard option pitch to Sproles. The half ended with Ohio State outgaining the Wildcats 168-96 in yardage, and with the scent of a rout in the air.
Back and Forth
Ohio State could do nothing with its initial possession of the second half, but Kansas State undertook a 70-yard drive that ended with a 14-yard run around the left by Roberson off an option fake. The Wildcats had closed the OSU lead to seven with 8:59 left in the third quarter.
Krenzel and the Ohio State offense answered the challenge. The Buckeyes marched 74 yards, including a 37-yard pass to Michael Jenkins that moved him atop the all-time Ohio State receiving yards list. Krenzel hit Jenkins again for an 8-yard score, and Ohio State went back up by fourteen, 28-14. Kansas State went three-and-out on its next possession, and the Buckeyes went to the ground game, pounding the ball with Ross and Hall. A play-action pass, set up perfectly by Ohio State’s relentless pounding on the ground, resulted in a 31-yard score from Krenzel to Holmes as the third quarter expired. The Buckeyes now led 35-14, and looked poised to drain the clock in the fourth quarter.
Crunch Time
Kansas State wasn’t quite finished yet. Nugent’s kickoff was returned inside OSU territory, and the Wildcats scored on Ayo Saba’s 3-yard touchdown carry. Another Wildcat possession ended with an errant field goal attempt that clanked off the upright, but the ensuing Ohio State three-and-out led to a third second-half Wildcat touchdown. Ell Roberson took to the air, passing for 73 yards before scoring on a 1-yard keeper at the goal line; the score was now 35-28 with 2:47 left to play.
Short on time, Snyder called for the obvious: an onside kick, which the Wildcats recovered, but an offside penalty forced a retry that was snuffed out by Bobby Carpenter. Ohio State played things close to The Vest, and drained a little time off the clock before a Sander punt pinned Kansas State at their own 10-yard line with 1:12 left in the game. Roberson connected on two passes for 57 yards, but ran out of clock in Ohio State territory. A last-second Hail Mary was batted down by Ohio State safety Nate Salley, and the Buckeyes had their second straight Fiesta Bowl win.
It was a remarkably even game. Ohio State accrued 9 penalties for 63 yards; Kansas State picked up 8 for 51. Ohio State kept the ball for 31:28, Kansas State was just under three minutes behind. The Wildcats amassed 378 yards of total offense, the Buckeyes, 337. Roberson set a record for pass attempts against the Buckeyes with 52, and both Jenkins and Holmes tied the Ohio State team record for touchdown receptions in a bowl game with two apiece; Craig Krenzel set a team record for touchdown passes in a bowl game (4).
Aftermath
Craig Krenzel took Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP honors for the second straight year, and A.J. Hawk claimed the Defensive MVP award. Ohio State was now 2-0 in BCS games (both Fiesta Bowl wins), and left Tempe hoping that every BCS game was played in Arizona.
The loss to Ohio State proved to be something of a swan song for the Wildcats program. Bill Snyder left Kansas State the following season, but has since returned to head coaching duties following the firing of Ron Prince.
This year, it pays to be a coaching retread or a thirty-something failed NFL coach with only limited college experience – hot wife, though.
Comments
That game was great...until the 4th quarter.
Reading this just reminds me of how many clutch plays Michael Jenkins made at OSU.
Holy Buckeye, 4th an 14, Wisconsin '02, and a punt return against Iowa in '03 to name a few of his great plays.
Great article but one correction... Ohio State was 3-0 in BCS games after beating Kansas State. You are missing the 24-14 win over Texas A&M in the 1999 Sugar Bowl.
Great game. Would be nice to see another cup cake this year in a BCS bowl like Kansas State was for the Buckeyes.
'Would be nice to see another cup cake this year in a BCS bowl like Kansas State was for the Buckeyes."
Ummmm..."cup cake"? Are you joking? You must've missed the part about KSU winning the Big 12 Conference Championship game against then-ranked #1 Oklahoma that year.
Never mind the details though.
That house blitz to force the Roberson pick in the video above brought back memories. More of that, plz.
This was a fun bowl to watch. Not as fun as our next trip to the fiesta, but sitll
That would be "still".
God, what blowhard wrote this article? This is pure and utter crap. The only reason K-State lost that game is because the QB was erroneously accused of rape the night before. Distracted the entire team.
For playing such a cupcake, you sure did let the Cats rack up a bunch of points.
Krenzel was a wuss and Columbus is considered the Armpit of Ohio for a reason.
Kansas State still has a football program?
Sorry Kstater. Kstate wasn't the first team to have embarrassing news stories about their starting quarterbacks break right before the big game. Some schools, like KState and its Ell Roberson wandering hands, fall flat on their faces. And some schools, like Ohio State and Steve ".22 B.A.C." Bellisari, rise to the occasion.
We got everybody comin on this site now. Joe must have sent invites to K-State fans
Kansas State still has fans? And they're young enough to find the internet?
Obviously the Buckeye homer who wrote this article has never left the state of Ohio.
Give these fucks one good year and they are all of a sudden a dynasty pogue
Um, Wildcat, I hate to break it you, but Joe is probably the least-homer Buckeye fan we have here, possibly excepting me. So GTFO and enjoy your has-been coach.
I wonder out loud what it must be like to be a fan of a lifetime losing team like K-State? I really would'nt know seeing as how we win big televen championships like I shit/shower/shave in the morning. They had to make million dollar renovations to the WHAC just to make room for the tropies.....
that would be "trophies"
Congrats on losing to the Armpit of Ohio.
Ahh, the Big 10 arrogance. Legendary BS.
Arrogance comes with winning.
No. I don't expect you to understand.
I doubt that's a Kstate fan anyway. Probably one of the same few trolls on here that keep changing names without anything relevant to say.
I'd be jealous of the Big XII if I were you too. The utter dominance that it has over the Big 10 is amazing.
Hey guys, I dont wanna sound arrogant, I know the trophy is heavy, but I really think I can lift it by myself......
I know it's blasphemous to my scarlet and gray but...
I think Boise State should play instead of us. Unlike the Buckeyes, (1) They're undefeated, (2) Their wins are impressive blowouts (let's face it, we were all asleep after the Purdue game) and (3) They're ahead in the human and computer polls.
If OSU is selected over Boise, I will be ecstatic, but I think Boise deserves it more.
The BCS is the only system that can deny three undefeated teams a chance for the championship.
LOL @ Utter Dominance
Funny that a midwest cowboy would use the word udder to describe something......Wait till bowl season and tune in to see what happens when high scoring passing offenses meet teams that know what defense is.....apparently defense was outlawed in the plains
It's too bad there isn't a trophy for the OSU/Michigan game. I wonder which team there would have lifted that trophy more times...
Ahh, that's right. The mighty Wolverines.
What is with "Big 12 fans" and "SEC fans" living off the accomplishments of other teams in their conference? I know you're all related out in backwater country, but does that mean you have to cheer for all the teams instead of just your own?
Also, Ohio State is 2-1 this decade against the Big 12. Really dominant streak you guys have going there.
Pick up games against the YMCA team in the 1900s not withstanding, OSU has the winning edge since 1920's, learn your history or shut your mouth
The Big 10 is such a tough league this year. Ohio State would have even finished high enough to get an invite to the Holiday Bowl in the Big 12. OBTW, Jim Tressel looks like a high school principal on game day. What is up with that?
Thats funny, Mangino looks like he cleared out an entire buffet at ponderosa
Dude.
Dude.
You trail in your all time series to Kansas. Kansas. The fucking Jayhawks.
Dude.
Dude.
Because d-bags from "marrying my cousins" Appalachia know all about us Midwesterners think.
K-State's BEEN taking that Kansas Rock Chock J-Cock prison style for years pogue
There's always an excuse, eh Buckeyeski?
I wonder if Michigan has a laundry list of excuses for the last few years like you poor baby OSU fans do.
What excuse? That is fact my friend
It is a sad, sad, day when Baylor and A&M field better teams than you do Wildcat
Enjoy your lifelong sentence of mediocrity
Okay, I think that about wraps it up. Were we linked on a K-state blog or something? Who knew we had so many Kansas State lurkers, and that they were all assholes?
Ckat, if you want to go that far. IF we were in the so called BIG 12 we would be placed in the North Division. At least then it would have some credibility. It sure isnt getting any from *cough* k-state. In which case we would have won that division and would play Choklahoma this weekend. If we would beat Oklahoma and I like our odds since they have no idea what defense is we would probably be on our way to the BCS Championship game.
Meanwhile, Kansas State rehired a guy who lost to Fresno State the last time around. GG, Wildcats, GG. You athletic department is quite possibly even incompetent than Notre Dame's.
That would be "your", fuck. It'd be easier to tell these plebes off if I could type.
I wonder who the Buckeyes will play this year anyway? And I wonder if their opponent will simply call the Florida or LSU coaching staff and see what they did to embarrass the eleven ladies of Ohio state "football."
I believe this is the game that Lydell Ross, late in the 4th while we were trying to run down the clock, ran out of bounds to avoid contact. Remains one of the stupidest things I've seen a Buckeye do.
"Okay, I think that about wraps it up. Were we linked on a K-state blog or something? Who knew we had so many Kansas State lurkers, and that they were all assholes?
poguemahone"
The article got hit by Google and their alert system. It's also linked on a ton of wildcat message boards.
I notice you refer to the Wildcat faithful as "assholes" when it was your "asshole" article that brought everyone here.
If you don't want the heat, keep the craptastic writing to a minimum.
Yes, Florida and LSU have beaten us. What has your team done? I'm guessing not much, considering you're here on a Buckeye blog, worrying about Buckeye football and all.
No, about the stupidest thing I have seen a buckey do would of happened this year when Hartline's pansy ass ran out of bounds against the illini instead of heading up field for a first down.
Stop lying, John. Kansas doesn't have internet yet.
lol... Come on there still using Doves to send email.
HAHAHAHAHHA.....they still call it the information superhighway
I didn't write this "asshole" article, asshole. And there was nothing "asshole"-ish about the article anyway. The main bitch here is over some n00b calling "K-State" a cupcake in the fucking comment section, and you guys, apparently nine different kinds of butthurt over us rendering your program irrelevant in early 2004 freaking out over it. It's the internet people. I'm sure your new to it, being from Kansas and all and only recently allowing the "coloreds" to play on your "futbaw" teams and whatnot, but Jesus H. Christ gentlemen, have you ever considered it might have been a joke? Sarcasm? No? Is any attempt at humor totally lost on your cro-magnon skulls, to the point where even the slightest bit of schadenfreude gets you into a tizzy?
Seriously - wtf, Wildcats? The only demeaning thing in the article is mentioning that Kansas isn't very populous (it isn't) and that Kansas State had a relatively soft schedule that year (it did). Other than that, it's talking about the OSU aspect of the game more because, well, it IS an OSU blog here. He even compliments KState on upsetting Oklahoma.
No one started firing their mouths off until you guys came in here. Get a life, or do you go blast off every time someone mentions your school in a blog?
Wow Pogue, that was out of hounds. Low blow.
Cro-Magnon? Never existed.
You and I both know the folks in Kansas don't believe in that evolution garbage. It's a global Jewish/Colored/Northerner/Ohio State contrived conspiracy.
The world is 6,000 years old, plus or minus a few hundy.
More people talking shit? Time to break out the shovel, Ski.
Don't you mean "out of hound", not "out of hounds"?
I'm also officially on the bandwagon for replacing all references to "out of bounds" in future Hitting Rewinds with "out of hounds".
On to more recent news. Anyone hear about Weis the Muffan Man keeping his job? Any bets he's on a short leash and isnt allowed anymore extra gravy on his biscuts. How do you spell biscut? I know thats not right.
"biscuits". Shit is good. Especially with butter.
LOL here comes the shovel brother
thanks pogue.lol... mmmm biscuits
Cheeseburger Charlie would be in GREAT shape if he lost weight for every game the Golden Domers lost....he'd be about a buck-fifty right about now. Uh-oh, dont look now guys, but apparently I just pissed off Touchdown Jesus and all the ND fanatics are coming!!!
Thank goodness Weis doesnt play for the Texans and there all red uniforms. the poor kids in the stands would have cried when the kool-aid man got his ass ran over.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if ND fans have a high tech search engine that immediately posts any negative comments about Notre Dame on every one of their boards.
Then, in proud Catholic tradition, come the stakes and the burning.
LMFAO @ Brian
Nice Brian, now every time I hear "Oh yeeeahhh" I'm going to expect Jabba-the-Weis' fat ass to break through the wall.
K-State was a good team that year... OSU played great in the first half. I vividly remember screaming at the TV to not go into the zone in the 4th quarter..... K-State made it too close for comfort and nearly pulled off the win if they get that Onside kick (called back for penalty).....
i had a longer comment typed out making fun of the k-state people, but then i found K-State's record against each of the major conferences on wikipedia. here is k-state against the big ten:
Conference Wins Losses Ties
Big Ten Conference 5 21 0
in conclusion:
SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD! SCOREBOARD!
P.S. - k-state people, re-read the blog post above and then again see me conclusion.
why would anyone ever care about what a kansas state fan had to say ever or what the kansas state football team did ever (outside of playing us once)
"toast isn't that good"
"WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY?!? I LOVE TOAST YOU MOTHERFUCKER TAKE IT BACK TOAST RULES RRRGGHHH TTOOOOAAASSSTTT"
"If OSU is selected over Boise, I will be ecstatic, but I think Boise deserves it more."
for what, playing little sister of the poor again and again and again. the Mountain West is legitimate, the WAC is garbage. I would elevate TCU to the fiesta over us before Boise State. they one a single game that wouldn't be considered an "Ohio State Cupcake OOC" game - that was against Oregon, who was playing with its 3rd string QB.
hehe, one = won...and there are many other grammatical errors there. good for me. me no good english.
Choklahoma? Really? So the fact that OSU lost the last 2 nat'l championship games in blowout fashion means nothing. And how about the fact that they were practically handed the national championship against The U because of a BS interference call means nothing either, right? Obviously OU is the choke artist though.
Get a life pussies
Get a life pussies
you are trolling another team's blog's comments section. no mirrors in kansas?
Yup, that was a K-State fan defending the team that beat him by like four touchdowns this season.
I thought Notre Dame fans were just a bit off. Not sure I can quite wrap my head around K-state fans just yet.
what is the name of the blog the k-state trolls are coming from? or is it all an elaborate hoax to up the comments?
Who cares?
Even we aren't classless enough to troll their boards and blogs by simply reminding them they're K-State and that they need to remember their place.
not interested in trolling, just want to read the post that got them all up-in-arms. would definitely be funny.
People always forget that 1999 Sugar Bowl game. I think that if it weren't for the BCS that year Ohio State probably would've played for the National Championship instead of FSU. Anyway, people always say the Bucks are 3-2 in the BCS and I always say, no 4-2. Good recap though. I remember how upset I was after the game when Gamble basically said, that's it I'm done!
Your sorry-ass conference sucks this year. It really, really, blows. USC fucked you in the ass and then loses to Oregon State. (Did you see them against Oregon last week?)
And at least we don't have a history of a coach hitting opposing players like you brainless fucks. Wayne Woodrow Hayes, anyone?
If fucking Joe the dipshit Plumber were from Kansas, I'd be applying to hide in the government witness program. What an embarassment.
You fucktards are, plain and simple, uh, plain and simple.
Well, saying USC sucks because they lost to Oregon State is stupid anyway. Everyone knows USC loses a game to a bad team every year. That would be like saying Penn State killed Oregon State, who USC lost to, there for Penn State is going to kill USC. I don't think anyone is predicting that.
you sorry-ass team sucks this year. i mean you really really suck. you fired your head coach and then hired the guy who was crib-mates with JoePa and you ran out of town 3 years ago.
Using that same Kansas logic, Alabama is going to kill Florida because Floida lost to Ole Miss. But then again, Florida crushed Kentucky who Alabama barely beat, so those 2 teams are going to tie I guess.
"If fucking Joe the dipshit Plumber were from Kansas, I’d be applying to hide in the government witness program." - W.
So wait.... You're living in Kansas and you're NOT in the witness protection program?
Alright, this is getting out of hound.
This is completely off the topic (especially since I hate hockey), but I just wanted to let everyone here know that I would like to be next in line for Sean Avery's "sloppy seconds", if anyone wants to get behind me.
i wonder if we should start categorizing k-state recruits as oklahoma's "sloppy seconds"
I can't believe someone that lives in Kansas and supports a Kansas football team is talking about ANYONE.
This just in: Tommy "Ohio State Wouldn't Finish Better than 5th in the SEC" Tuberville just got his ass straight canned. Can you imagine a coach at Ohio State or Michigan, beating their arch-rival for 6 consecutive seasons, then dropping the next rivalry game, and getting fired? I don't care if 5-7 in that season. Unthinkable.
Wow. The South is officially bat shit crazy about its college footbaw.
Dude what is wrong with people from Kstate? Where is this anger coming from? Other than their program being in the shitter, which...if we remember, it was known for prior to their "rise". As to Big 12 "dominance", I recall tOSU beating the last three big 12 teams in a row, including a #2 texas, right? Call me crazy, they have been OWNING us lately...except for the consecutive loses I suppose. Anyway, now that I got that out of my system, get a fucking life and that is real advice. Calling an ariticle on this blog "homer" is pretty fucking ground breaking. Ironically, this entire blog is devoted to Ohio State sports information (in general) and I wouldn't expect an entirely unbiased opinion, that is what (supposedly) ESPN is for. I'm sorry your dancing coach got fired, or happy for you, or whatever the fuck you prefer but I certainly don't give a shit what you think about OSU. KSU is the bukkake centerpiece in the ass-clown big12 north. Mizzou is by far the best north team and would be...wait for it...5th in the south. "Lucky to get to the Holiday bowl" would be about 1000 times better than where your disgrace of a program is at.
I'm sorry your program has and will only make one BCS appearance in the history of said series but you lost, get over it.
Hate hate hate, now if you will please excuse me, I need to get home and put water in Kstate's mother's dish.
Awesome Matt.
Can we get Tuberville as an O-coord now? Then maybe we could start dreaming about 4th place in the SECspn
What's really funny: Kansas State basically fired the head coach because he was black and average. Three years in Manhattan and he has more quality wins than Charlie Weis can ever claim to (two over Texas), but this year is a disappointment and ass is grass. No one's willing to admit the reason why, but where does KSU go? Back to the comfortable, conservative old white dude. Racism at its best.
poguemahone - head out of your ass please...even if you are just trying to rile up the k-state lurkers.
What? Don't pretend it's anything but. Just backwater hicks doing what backwater hicks do best.
Hell, that last joke wasn't half as offensive as my first.
What kind of name is Anonymous, anyway? Your mother must have disliked you from the start.
I've never even seen a Kansas State fan on TV.
K-State is racist because they fired a black head coach. That's the most retarded thing I've heard. You realize that they hired him... even though he was black. People that don't know about the situation shouldn't comment about it.
K-State fired it's Prince because he made ZERO progress with our football program. He is not cut out to be a major D1 head coach right now, maybe in the future but definitely not now.
Backwater hicks? Why don't you actually visit a place before you start throwing out these false stigmatizations... or at least try and get out of your mothers basement once in a while.
The best thing about that game was when I was leaving Sun Devil Stadium, a female K-State fan behind me said, "They kicked our ass today, and so did their band."
*I pregamed with a bunch of Wildcat fans...all great people and passionate college football fans.*
i've visited kansas. there is nothing there. i know you love it. but no one else does.
poguemahone, your jokes suck. if you can't be funny using ethnicity and religion then you are a failure as a writer.
guy your name is matt...that is only slightly more descriptive than anonymous. matt is right up there with John as the most generic name you could have.
Matthew is Hebrew meaning "Gift from God." And it's currently the fourth most popular name for new baby boys. But those are n00bs, they some mark ass tricks, matthew-come-latelys; me, I been Matthew for almost as long as I can remember.
"Anonymous"...what ethnicity is that? Hungarian? Douchebag?
LMAO @ Matt hahahahahahahahaha D-bag fo 'sho.....sorry my ethnicity is showing through
K-State fans: I live and work here. Your state is a worthless rectangle. The entire state is a bunch of worthless hicks. Once you get west of Topeka, you enter Siberia. I want to kill myself everytime I drive to Salina. I hate the state of Kansas almost as much as michigan. The climate sucks, the people suck, and the education suck. I hate this state with every fiber of my body. And by the way, K-State fan, I live in JOCO (he will know what this means) so I am better than you, deal with it.
This is the crap I have to deal with day in and day out. I hope some of you remember me telling you about life here in Little 12 country. These Big 12 fans are horrible. I hope you now understand why I have been saying all year I want to play a Little 12 school. I work in Kansas City. I am surrounded by fans from every Little 12 school. In my opinion they are worse than SEC fans because at least SEC fans have MNCs to back them up.
Get 'em Robb, Get 'em!!!!!!!
Seriously, K-state isn't even the best college in kansas. And that's like having the best tits in the nursing home.
Or being the smartest kid with down syndrome.....my apologies in advance
Oh, and to the universal douchebag that had bad things to say about Woody......fuck you. In all honesty, Woody will go down as one of the best coaches in CFB HISTORY, punch thrown or not thrown. Poll America fucktart, and you'll find that roughly 85% probably couldn't name 1 coach in K-State's "illustrious" football career. Hell, they prolly couldn't even name your mascot bitch............enjoy your endless plight of sub .500 seasons
I am the jerk-off who wrote the article.
I did indeed forget the Sugar Bowl win. Mea culpa. I finished the article in a rush on Tuesday morning, which is no excuse.
I spent a year's time in Kansas, back in the late 90s, when K-State was on the rise - even went to a few games. I spent five months living close to Manhattan. I have spent time in Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, six other states, and lived in the USSR from 1988-1990.
Having lived in Manhattan, and spent part of my time in the USSR in Siberia (three months - during winter, no less), I can assure you that from my perspective, Manhattan in winter bears a strong similarity to Siberia in winter. And the two are about as exciting.
I have no problem with K-State. They did build their program through juco transfers and soft scheduling. They did upset top-ranked Oklahoma. They did give Ohio State a tough game. I have no doubt that the pre-game accusation of the K-State alumnus distracted Roberson. That's precisely why I mentioned it, and discussed how it probably affected Roberson's play.
I stand by my comparison of Manhattan to a Siberian town on a Tuesday night, though. Been there.
I would also add that K-State absolutely should have fired Ron Prince. He has almost irreparably damaged relations with Snyder's recruiting connections, and is losing recruiting battles to Kansas, Missouri and Colorado. In a talent-sparse state, that can't happen, and if you damage relations with juco pipelines, you're in real trouble.
He also loses games he should certainly win, and his "wind-sprint" stunt following the Louisville loss showed a real lack of connection to his players.
Black or not, he should have been fired.
Joe Fox-
I thought you were being generous when you compared the winters here to Siberia. Even here in the only habitable place in the state, Johnson County, the winters suck.
That must suck....the winters in NY are fairly nice. Snow, sometimes lots of it, but everything still goes on at a steady clip
I've never seen anything like the snow I saw in Kansas in Siberia. It blew so hard, the snow came across the roads and my yard almost on the horizontal. The drifts were amazing. One weekend, I noticed snow falling down the chimney (we were long out of firewood). It wasn't coming down the chimney because snow was falling vertically; it was coming down because a snow drift had built up so high against the chimney that the snow was higher than the chimney top. Unreal.
True story: In Siberia, my Soviet-made auto stopped working, and the garage could not fix it for lack of a piston ring. It would take me three months for them to order and receive a new piston ring. It would be a further three weeks for them to open the engine and install it. I was told to ask for some help from a fellow down the street - the infamous Soviet "black market."
I got a piston ring in two weeks, and had my car up and going in five, thanks to a trade with a mechanic. I got a piston ring; he got two Mets baseball cards (Gary Carter and Lenny Dykstra) and an old pair of Reeboks. Not bad.
(Those of you looking forward to a federal, single-payer universal health care system might want to keep this story in mind for future use.)
In all seriousness, I would like to hear an explanation of K-State expectations from a real K-State fan.
Pretty simple for the Bucks, win it all every year.
My guess for the Wildcats is being in contention for a spot in the B12 title game.
Just getting caught up from a day on the road, so this article and comments are a welcome diversion. First, Joe, nice job on the article, well done. These bozos posing as K-State "fans" are a nice touch; their comments are too damn funny. Nice take on the weather, Ski; western NY starts to turn into a Winter Wonderland this time of year.
Ken
LOL @ Ken-
I'm from Albany so the winters are kinda nice, a bit annoying around the middle of February when everything begins to freeze with ice, but nice. Western NY on the other hand....ugh! I spent some time in Oswego and the surrounding parts during college and shit man, they had 3 feet of snow on either side of the road....like driving down a tunnel, but made of plowed snow and ice. And Buffalo? In NJ they would say "Fahgettaboutit"
I am Anonymous Soze.
...I stumbled on the site from google search.
...I doubt "Wildcat" is actually a K-state fan, or has even been to Manhattan.
...Why do people take cheap shots about something which they know absolutely nothing about?
...Why did i take the time to read through these comments?
...Why do people always say "they don't have internet out in *insert Midwest state*?
...I'm surprised nobody has mentioned any Dorothy or Todo comments, those are popular for people such as yourselves (and yes, i mean that in a derogatory manner)
...Yes, i would be happy to contend for a Big XII title
...Mangino is the coach for KU, not KSU. and yes. he is fat.
...Looking at the maturity level shown on this board, i'm assuming i'm the oldest person posting. and i'm 25. and i'm possibly the only one that ever actually went to college. (again, derogatory)
...seriously though, Good luck to the buckeyes. Have a great time at recess, enjoy your snackpack, and get home before the streetlights come on. Thanks.
KSU.... its Toto..... Get it right. LOL
I hate that movie by the way..
And by the way I am 25 and take offense to your college statement. Now, I did not go to college but spent 4 years in the marines. I do have a job. I think its quite a nice job. Oh, and whats wrong with SNACK PACKS??? Those are AWESOME!!!!
If you have to explain that your comments are derogatory, you aren't doing a very good job of it. And it's hard to take insults from a KSU alum seriously anyway. I mean really, KSU? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, OK, maybe internet has finally arrived at Kansas. But you guys have to be on dialup.
And you're definitely not the oldest person here, Joe Fox is at least 80 years old (<3).
…Why do people take cheap shots about something which they know absolutely nothing about?
AND THEN....
…Looking at the maturity level shown on this board, i’m assuming i’m the oldest person posting. and i’m 25. and i’m possibly the only one that ever actually went to college. (again, derogatory)
again, there are no mirrors in Kansas sanctimonious prick?
Every state has hillbillies, but not every state has great college football.
Go Bucks!!!!
LMAO @ Joe Fox being 80
Hah, i'm 25, i went to college, at the Ohio State University, of course. judging by his name there, he's an aero. my degree happens to be in Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering, and last I checked, kstate college of engineering wasn't even ranked.
How else but with a college degree can you screw around on a message board all day at work?
Ski - I live in canandaigua, lived in lyons last year, we had 4 feet of accumulation in december last year, up above the thruway. You get used to it.
The infamous I-90 Thruway huh? Takes you from the city to Buffalo.....in about 10 hrs. LOL
I used to live out by Utica, but like it way better in Albany. Better weed and less lake effect snow makes for a pleasurable living experience. LOL
Here is my obligatory re-cap of this whole post
*KSU Football has been/is irrelevant, bar one year, in which they lost to....you guessed it tOSU
*KSU fans have to claim the entire Big XII conference because their team can't even hang with Baylor or A&M
*Mangino coaches for KU, and is REALLY fat
*We are all immature Buckeye fans, but rarely experience the pitfalls of defeat, especially to Big XII teams
*Ohhh, yea....and Joe Fox is def. 80 yrs. old
Matthew is Hebrew meaning “Gift from God.” And it’s currently the fourth most popular name for new baby boys. But those are n00bs, they some mark ass tricks, matthew-come-latelys; me, I been Matthew for almost as long as I can remember.
“Anonymous”…what ethnicity is that? Hungarian? Douchebag?
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you are a clown. every name out there has some bullshit meaning. but congratulations on your parents' thinking you are a gift from god. you have to be the first child ever on this planet who was thought of as a gift from god.
http://www.thinkbabynames.com/...
also, you made my point. millions of people carry the name matt. you might as well be fucking anonymous. tool.
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i read this blog pretty regularly to stay up on the buckeyes. unfortunately, you guys in the comments section are idiots. your constant circle-jerking is embarrassing.
come on guys. i was just poking fun. i guess the tone came off the wrong way. Re-reading it now, i can see how.
and to clear up the water, KSU doesn't have an Aero program, so you probably won't find too many "rankings" on that. It's just what i do now. I graduated with a degree in mechanical and nuclear engineering.
also, all the respect in the world for Brian and the rest of the Marine Corps. thanks guys.
KSU ALUM-
I'M A MAN, I'M 30!!! YOU COME AFTER ME!!!!!
I am not only a college grad I am a military vet. I been places and seen things most will never see, nor should they.
Living in JOCO, which for you not familiar with kansas is hated by the rest of state, I have gotten to know all about Kansas. The state sucks, pure and simple. There is a reason the population is low, nobody wants to live here. The only thing that gets me through my self inflicted exile is the weekly get together in Overland Park, www.KCBucks.org.
According to my coworkers, if it wasn't for K-State grads, not a single pizza would get delivered in the state. Go Back to Aggieville and wait for the debate season to start.
*K-State has a sign on the interstate bragging about being the national debate champions. Seriously, I couldn't make this up.
I just got called (like 15 hours ago) a failure of a writer by a guy who
a) Isn't creative enough to come up with a fucking name.
and b) Didn't capitalize a single letter in his post.
Stupidity, thy name is anonymous.
KSU_alum, thanks for the compliment regarding age; if you're 25 yrs old, I've got a son older than you. People tell me I look young for my age, and I'm sure most posters here would agree.
Ski, I moved up here (Buffalo) from O-H-I-O in 1973. I was used to cold but not the amount of snow. The 1st winter I thought WTF did I get into here? Of course, staggering around during The Blizzard of '77 was a real treat.
Pogue, your spelling is much better here than on the 11W weekend update post. I usually blame my typos on someone coming around to my computer and screwing around with the keyboard; that's my story and I'm sticking with it.
It looks like some KSU fans bred with ND fans. That's the only way I could figure out their sense of entitlement. Joe has to be the nicest man in the world, since he's 80 and all, and they're flaming him for not saying anything inflammatory about Kansas State.
Debate champions. I guess that's why their comments have been so good.
I just got called (like 15 hours ago) a failure of a writer by a guy who
a) Isn’t creative enough to come up with a fucking name.
and b) Didn’t capitalize a single letter in his post.
Stupidity, thy name is anonymous.
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jesus christ, are you currently a student at OSU? i thought our admission standards were going up, not fucking cratering...
failure:
Two weeks later, [Name Redacted] and the fighting [Redacted]i came into Columbus with two losses: to middling Michigan and Iowa teams.
failure:
After another fast start, the Buckeyes crumpled, and Tressel and Heacock went into their respect run-run-pass and soft-zone-obvious-blitz shells after LSU came back and left a big ol' mushroom print on Ohio State's hopes of actually winning.
failure:
I stopped thinking that way the next day. Well, at least the redemption part. I realized that as much as I love and support the players on this team, there is a chance that, like God Himself Bruce Springsteen once sang, their best will never be good enough.
remedial english:
I'm exaggerating, but before this kid has had to memorize the Preamble, he's got 40 year old dudes, Scouts and fans of teams he may or may not be interested in salivating over his "athletic ability", his "hip swivel" and his "body control".
i should also point out that my lack of capitalization would be a failure of grammar. as for my lack of name...i plead commonsense. i am careful about what i attach my name to. Are you, dumb ass?
... as for my lack of name…i plead commonsense. i am careful about what i attach my name to. Are you, dumb ass?
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There's an oxymoronic post if there is one. Careful what you attach your name to, then cuss somebody out?! You gotta be kidding me.
Careful what he attatches his name too, but not very particular in what he sticks his penis in....presumably puckered male asshole, but thats just my guess.....it could be little boys for all I know. You keep driving that van with no windows, Anonymity in all facets of life, right?
FOR THE RECORD:
I hope all my Buckeye friends now understand. I was new this blog this year and tried to bring a perspective from Little 12 country. This particular K-State fan is mild compared to what I have to face day in and day out.
Hopefully you will see why I have been begging to play a Little 12 school.
By the way, KU fan and MU fans are more obnoxious than K-State fan. Suprisingly, Nebraska fan is pretty cool. Maybe it is because they have a history of winning and they act like they have been there before. They win with class and lose with class.
Here in Kansas City, the locals like to compare K-State fans with hiillbillies that have won the lottery. They had success, didn't know how to handle it, and after a while, reality sets in. Eventually, they lose everything because they didn't know how to handle their new found fortune. Just like a hillbilly who won the lottery.
Haha. Is this really an Ohio State website accusing other schools of being cupcakes? Are you freakin kidding me. The most overrated and hyped college football program in the past 5 years . . . in an absolute joke conference . . . who got slapped around like a 5 year-old kid in an Ultimate Fighting Match in TWO straight BCS title games? The Suckeyes are the biggest marshmallows in college football title game history.
too bad you chose the USC game to again show how soft and pansy-like your team is instead of this bowl season. Texas will make it 4 straight punching bag slaughters outside your 1AA conference.
last time Ohio State played Texas I believe it was Ohio State walking away with the Win in Austin. Btw if you think youre the first person to remind Buckeye fans about the the 2 NC loses, youre not. At least the buckeyes lost to legit teams unlike boise state and a west virgina team that just watched there head coach walk away from them. Calling Ohio state the most overrated and overhyped college team in the past 5 years is the joke. You can hate the success of the program all you want jason but that doesnt make them as terrible as you want them to. Ya they have lost big games but isnt better to lose a big game than to lose one your suppose to win by 21...? Give credit were credit is due.
Well all joking aside, I didn't know one bowl game in school history gives KSU fans/alum a right to talk on tOSU boards. I am sure that isn't really the number, but that is the number of meaningful games...so we will use that. Please go back to your debate team sites and get some pointers. They might tell you that to speak with the adults, you need to back it up with facts. GO BUCKS!
[...] we covered this game last week and at risk of offending the entire state again, we’ll just point you back to the original post if you want to read up on [...]
So you brainless fucks think winters in Kansas are like those in Siberia, eh? I guess during that trip through Ohio (thankfully I didn't have to stop in your horseshit state), I failed to make note of all the tropical beaches, palm trees and such. Silly me.
And Robb, you simpleton sack of shit........if you hate JOCO that much, take your worthless fucking Ohio Dogshit State degree and go find a goddamn job in beautiful downtown Cleveland as soon as your unemployment comp runs
Joe the Plumber. Bwahahahahaha. Maybe he'll hire you to unclog crappers.
Buckeye: A mutant sunflower seed. Soon to be spit out by Texas (whose ass we have kicked twice in succession.)
Wow, someone's butthurt.
I think Dubya's a little angry over losing his job to a black man.
hey W...that's cool with me..you know the buckeye is poisonous correct? sitting there looking all helpless..put that little baby in your mouth..chew it up a little..i think all of Ohio will be a little bit happier once you do that
Fuckeyes have a weak schedule every year... Big 10 overrated and weak conference. Get a clue, fucktards.
hey anon, thanks for your input!! we truly value it and take it to heart!!!!
blow me, doucher
Wow....., after reading the article and comments, I can see why everyone always says that tOSU Buckeyes fans are the absolute worst and least knowledgeable in all college football.
Nice job living up to your label.
Best of luck in Tempe. Hook 'em Horns.
" I didn’t know one bowl game in school history gives KSU fans/alum a right to talk on tOSU boards. blah....blah....blah..... They might tell you that to speak with the adults, you need to back it up with facts"
nice babble, fuckeye
Mike = complete and absolute idiot
hey fuckeyebrowny919. you did take it to heart, you replied.
First of all, there are some nice errors in there. I lived in Athens, OH for several years, and went to K-State, and I can tell you that Columbus is no prize. Sure it is a bigger town with more industry, but to suggest that it is the cats meow (haha) is way off. Next up is when Bill Snyder retired, which was upon completing TWO MORE SEASONS following the Fiesta Bowl. I know they don't teach things like research in the pit of that suckeye, but that doesn't mean you can't practice it anyways. Lastly, that 37 yard touchdown to Jenkins wasn't some amazing play by Jenkins or Krenzel or anyone else. As a matter of fact, the DB (I forget who it was) injured his hamstring on the previous play and was unable to get off the field. Naturally, he was unable to run on the play and Jenkins was open for the easy TD.
And back to the real point here, K-State spotted OSU an entire half and still almost beat you guys. That doesn't make you guys a good team...
There’s an oxymoronic post if there is one. Careful what you attach your name to, then cuss somebody out?! You gotta be kidding me.
jesus christ you are dumb. did you read the whole thing? seriously, are you that dumb?
just in case, i will paraphrase - he said "nice name" i said "you're a douche" he said "you are an idiot, nice name" then i said "i am careful what i attach my name too. you aren't, douche."
as a result, your comment is dumb and out of place. but thanks for the scolding. i am sure if you have children they give you puzzling looks often.
Looks like K-State did some free advertising for 11Warriors.com
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s...
Gee, Thanks!
Thanks for the link.... that site is awesome! Kansas State obviously has an incredible fanbase and they really seem to know what their stuff.