There's a reason why Saban and Tressellove this guy
#13 Ohio State
6-1, 3-0 Big Ten
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October 18, 2008 3:30 PM ET - ABC —— Spartan Stadium East Lansing, MI |
#18 Michigan State
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You'd be hard-pressed to find many 6-1 teams packing the drama and uncertainty that this Buckeye team takes with it to East Lansing this weekend. Though they've won four straight games and are ranked in the top dozen of most major polls, you'd think they were winless in conference play if you took the collective pulse of the fanbase. They may be 6-1, but it's a shaky 6-1 and the natives are restless.
And here they are, about to take on what most certainly will be the 2nd-best team they've played all season, coached by a guy that knows Tressel inside and out and in a game that's billed as perhaps Michigan State's biggest football game in a decade. Essentially a semifinal game to advance to play Penn State in the finals, it's a macthup that's certainly important to each team -- the Spartans are looking for that "breakthrough" win under Dantonio, while the Buckeyes have come to a fork in their road and the outcome of this one could well decide which path they take for the rest of the season.
The reason that this is even such a big game is Dantonio, of course. He served with Tressel at YSU and Ohio State and Buckeye fans will forever be indebted to him and his defense for carrying a similarly offensively challenged team to a championship. When he arrived in East Lansing, Michigan players openly scoffed at his countdown clock, but in just his second season, that clock of his has quickly turned into a ticking timer on a scheduled beat-down. He's a 24th level defensive wizard, and his team will be ready for everything the Buckeye offense throws at it (granted that's been a relatively easy chore as of late).
No doubt about it -- this game worries the hell out of us. Will the pupil finally become the master?
Opponent
No fewer than 10 Ohioans dot the Michigan State two-deep and none better than running back Javon Ringer. As the senior from Dayton goes, so goes the Spartan offense. Currently the nation's rushing leader with 1,112 yards already, only Cal and Iowa have managed to hold him under 100 yards in a game. A three-game stretch against Florida Atlantic, Notre Dame and Indiana that saw him put up 282, 201 and 198 yards has vaulted Ringer firmly into Heisman contention. He's rugged, averaging 35 totes per game and gets a lot of his yards up the middle behind a pretty good offensive line. He's also a touchdown factory, having already produced 14 rushing touchdowns on the season. The Buckeye defensive front will have their work cut out for them, but hey, at least he's not a receiving threat out of the backfield.
Would have been nice to havewhen Wells was injured
The Spartans love to run, but when forced to pass, they'll turn to another Ohioan, senior Brian Hoyer. The unspectacular, but efficient veteran enters the game with a 12-8 career record as a starter and can throw the ball when called upon to do so. He has a pair of steady tight ends (one of which has an 82-yard touchdown under his belt) and his young receivers, notably sophomore Mark Dell and freshman Westerville South product B.J. Cunningham are coming on quick. He takes care of the ball possibly because he has the luxury of a line that gives him time to throw -- compare Sparty's four sacks allowed on the year to Ohio State's 19. Still, if the Buckeyes do go down in this one, it will be at the hands of Ringer, not Hoyer.
Defensively, Michigan State is a very middle-of-the-pack team, which has to be somewhat grating to Dantonio. They rely on the ground-control offense keeping the ball out of their opponent's hands, but when opposing offenses do get the ball, they've been able to do some things. Cal put up 38 in the opener, Northwestern piled up chunks of yardage against them last weekend and even Indiana just missed getting to 30 on the Spartans. One thing they've done well is forced turnovers. The Spartans are 6th in the nation in turnover margin and they'll look to take advantage of those while trying to follow the proven blueprint to stopping the Buckeye offense: play the run as tough as you can, spy Pryor and force him to try to beat you with his arm.
The front won't force a lot of pressure -- as a team, they have only recorded 11 sacks on the season, the same as Ohio State. Junior end Trevor Anderson is responsible for half of those sacks (four solo, 2 assists) and as long as he's contained, there should be no repeat of last season when the Spartan front forced two quick Buckeye turnovers that led to touchdowns and turned a comfortable game into a close one in Columbus.
While there doesn't appear to be any true tackling machines, sophomore linebacker Greg Jones (yet another Ohio kid) will be one to watch in the middle, while cornerback Otis Wiley and his four interceptions and seven passes broken up is the standout in the secondary.
Michigan State has a weapon in junior kicker (and former high school teammate of Duron Carter) Brett Swenson. He's the Big Ten's best kicker and he has the last two conference Special Teams Player of the Week awards to prove it. He's 23/23 on point-afters and is 15/16 on field goals, including a perfect 5/5 in the 40-49 range. Envy.
NOTES: Sparty has dropped six in a row and 11 of the last 13 meetings with Ohio State... Tressel's nephew Mike is the ST/LBs coach at Michigan State... In two career games against Ohio State, Ringer has a 3.7 YPC average and 0 touchdowns while Hoyer has one interception against 0 touchdowns... Brad Nessler, Bob Griese, Paul Maguire and Stacey Dales will be handling the game.
Buckeye Breakdown
It's been clear to everyone with healthy vision that a lot of the Buckeyes' troubles this season have stemmed from the play of the offensive line. The fans have seen it for some time and earlier this week, Rory Nicol informed his fellow linemates that they had been playing like a bunch of girls. All of this is not lost on offensive coordinator and line coach Jim Bollman who was asked point-blank about the play of his line on the first question he took Thursday when meeting with reporters. Though he acknowledged that the group needs to step it up, both he and Tressel attempted to point out some positives or reasons for the substandard play. The next thing you know, Angel Woody and Devil Woody were doing battle from atop my shoulders.
Angel Woody would like to point out that even dominant teams have played games they have struggled in or worse yet -- lost (looking your way Southern Cal) against supposedly inferior competition. He also adds that Bollman is right and the offense did have four drives of eight plays or longer against the Boilermakers and that the team finished turnover-free in that game. Angel Woody points to Tressel's statement that in nine of the team's 19 red zone attempts, they've been hit up with a penalty. He'd also like you to know that three games before Purdue, the he put up four touchdown passes against Troy and got that huge drive to win the game in Madison the following week.
Devil Woody, however, would like to call the red zone statistics as his first witness. Just look at them: there are only eight teams in all of college football that have converted attempts into touchdowns at a worse clip than Ohio State. The team that the Buckeyes are tied with in that grouping, Auburn, just canned its offensive coordinator. 50% of all Buckeye red zone attempts have turned into field goals -- only two other teams are even above 40%. The team is tied for 97th in the country in points per attempt with 4.25. Then there's the fact that the offensive line has already given up as many sacks as it did all of last season. After soft outings against Ohio and USC, Tressel got up close and personal with the line and that didn't seem to do anything, so Devil Woody wants to know what makes you think this week will be any different. Hell, the fact that Bollman said Rehring would get more action this week and that was "a good thing" ought to give pause to everything you believe in about the Buckeyes.
However you want to cut it the line has it's step-up or go quietly into the fall night moment Saturday. I'm not exactly optimistic, especially considering the 5th-year All-American candidate was looking to a tight end that might see the field on 40% of offensive plays for leadership, but the best way to neutralize the threat Ringer poses is to keep him on the sideline. Long drives and a lot of them, please. An early lead would be nice -- make Hoyer beat you.
Defensively, the depleted line will have an equal, if not greater challenge. The Vest seemed to indicate that Rob Rose would get about 50% of Wilson's snaps, while I'd imagine Nathan Williams and Curtis Terry will get some split of the other half. We'll obviously see a lot more of Ross Homan this weekend after he was kept on the sideline in favor of the nickel against the Purdue. His emerging run-stopping skills will be needed. I'd expect Laurinaitis and Freeman will be busy guys as well. Ringer is a linebacker's dream challenge.
It's looking like man coverage has once again become fashionable in the WHAC. Facing a team that doesn't throw unless it's needed and even then, prefers to go vertical or seam, this may be the best approach to playing the Spartans -- your corners on islands and everyone focusing on the box.
The Buckeyes will need to play their best game of the season to get out of town with a win and keep hopes alive for a conference title and the nice BCS bowl berth that comes with that. If this were a team that didn't have any talent, most of us would have given up a long time ago, but we know this team has the goods. We're just waiting around for that one game when they put it all together and Saturday sounds good to me.
NOTES: Ohio State is 125-101-12 all-time when facing a ranked opponent, including 37-40-7 on the road (though Tressel is 10-5)... Malcolm Jenkins has an interception in each of his last two games... The Buckeyes have owned their opponents in the 1st and 4th quarters this season, outscoring them 50-10 and 58-22, respectively... Coverage map here -- you're either getting the game on ABC or ESPN2.
PREDICTION: Ohio State 21, Michigan State 16






Comments
Possibly heading to Columbus for a birthday party this weekend. Any nice bars I can watch the game?
Ringer didn't come to play at tOSU b/c when he was a senior he blew out his knee, and tOSU backed off of him. He would be a great back to have backing up Beannie but would Beannie have come here if Pittman and Ringer were here? I don't know. Hoyer is weak and if the Bucks are going to win this game they have to make him throw. That is how Cal beat them, Ringer got his yards but Hoyer threw picks when Cal needed them. The D needs to bring their big boy pants, but the offense needs to score more than 16 to win this one. If they come out hard and get up on MSU early they will fold, they always do.
MSU sucks!!!!!
Let's keep it close. As little brothers go, these guys are one's we'd like to see do well. But as the bully that keeps stealing Big brother's lunch money, I hope lil bro doesn't do too well.
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And Ringer didn't come to The Ohio State university because of marginal academics that the then University President would not make an exception for. CU Next Tuesday, Karen!
I fell sorry for the University of South Florida... they don't deserve this Bitch.... at lease she doesn't have any control of their athletic department. Good ridance
http://www.research.usf.edu/VPFR/
Flipbuckeye, plenty of places to watch the game. About any bar on campus (nice one I frequented last week after Purdue, used to be the Flying Tomato, don't remember the new name, near the old Long's), B-Dubs throughout the state. Coach's is also nice, but can get crowded.
flipbuckeye I would suggest the grandview cafe on the corner of 3rd and grandview ave. They have like 8 hi def lcds now and if you getr there an hour or two early you can get a prime booth. Good nachos too
Flip if you get there early enough Eddie Georege's place is nice and full of young hottie's but it will be crowded. I think this weekends game is a good match up for us because MSU is a meat and potates team which means not alot of adjustments, just lineup and play. I think Homan and Freeman will have big games. I would like to see Russell and Coleman do something but not likely but they will have a chance because Hoyer is not real good. 24-13 Bucks and Wells has two TD's and Robo geta play action 40 yarder for a score. Also would like to see a Thad blindside knee crumbler and fumble in first quater.
Yeah I haven't been to the Eddie George place yet and definitely wanted to check that one out. Heard nothing but great things about it. How early are we talking about getting in there?
Something about the Spartans defense you may have over looked: they play especially well in the red zone. That might not bode so well for the Buckeyes given their performances (or lack thereof) in the red zone.
Flip I would avoid Eddie Georges during a game. Its way too packed.. Last year before Noon games that were on BTN before Time Warner got it, I would get to Grandview Cafe at about 11am and the place is empty.. but even at game time you can still get a good view.. I'd avoid campus if you like to be able to get a drink, food and watch the game without being in a mosh pit
There's always Varsity Club or the Alumni Grille. The Gateway bars are more for the students except for Eddie George's. I always enjoyed going to Eddie's, good food, cheap beer specials, and lots going on. Also, you don't have to miss the game when you go to the bathroom with the mirror being a two way.
Ringer wanted to be a Buckeye. Even turned down calls from Pete and USC because he knew he wanted to go here. Unfortunately, the cunt of a woman Holbrook wouldn't admit him because of grades (although, by NCAA standards he would have been eligible).
Beanie would have still been a Buckeye. We'd just have Beanie and Ringer instead of Beanie and Rasta. I hate Karen Holbrook.
Simply put, OSU wins if it forces Brian Hoyer to win the game with his arm. Obviously, this can only happen if the Buckeyes limit Javon Ringer. Ringer's going to get his, we just can't let him explode. I think we contain him, relatively speaking.
This game worries me as well but I think the Bucks take care of business. I could definitely see MSU winning the game but I think the Bucks realized the Purdue game was as bad as it can get if they're going to win games.
A stout performance by the defense and a bounceback game for the offense. Remember, it's not that Pryor is bad, it's that he's inconsistent; and last game was a bad game. You know what comes next.
OSU 27 MSU 20
Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't Varsity Club have old picture tube tvs?
I hope we can put together 60 mins of football for the first time in a long, long time. We need to get Pryor ready for Penn St. by throwing the ball early and often. It should be roll right tight end/hook wideout/clears deep if they cover the tight end with the backer he runs (K.I.S.S keep it simple stupid! ) And when he takes off everyone down field throws a block. Combine that with some good blocking from the oline and you got an offense. The Key is getting a short gain on first 4-5 yards if we stay out of 3 and long we will be hard to stop. I still think there might be some trick play we could run with Boeckman and Pryor in the backfield at the same time. Would love to see our coaches dig deep into the bag for the next two games. Bottome line is if we get passed these next two we look really good for the BCS bowl game.
Bucks simply can't score. 20-13 MSU. Things will get ugly around here.
I would love to see an end-around with Flash or Posey toting the ball around left end. They fake that end around very well outta the buckeye pistol formation. I think that should be a staple formation for this game. WAAAAAY too much for a defense to focus on. But you know it will be a 5 wide quick slant for 3, Ace twins run up the gut with beanie, and a collapsing pocket chaos on third down before Trapasso comes out.....God, if your listenin'......HELP!!! (LOL)
Scott I wouldn't bet against this offense. Everytime they hit the field the are capable of putting up huge numbers. Beanie couldn't be stopped last year by michigan st. Now you throw Pryor into the mix he's a freshman behind a weak oline but he is a game breaker. Soon we will start to block, catch the ball, and score at will. The question is when. I'll be waiting, but if we loss it will be the play calling that is the down fall.
Put Rehring in after a first half spicy curry dish on the sidelines and let the shitbomb flow.....the defensive line won't be able to breathe.
Wonder what the Vegas over/under is for running plays in this Titanic struggle.
Of we lose this game, I'm just gonna spend more time with my kids. I have no use really for the stress.
I'm excited about this game, I love Big 10 slug fests and the will-they-won't-they drama of closely matched squads. Buckeye games in 2006 and 2007 were mostly snore-fests and we blew most Big 10 teams out. If we win, that's awesome; if we lose, it's one more experience building game for the team. I'm not going to get too down about it. We have Pryor and 118 D-1 schools do not, and eventually his development as a QB is going to take us to heights that we haven't seen before. And we welcome another amazing recruiting class next season. This is a time to be excited about Buckeye football, not depressed.
My prediction: Buckeyes score quickly, MSU responds, then it turns into a punting expo. Buckeye talent eventually overpowers MSU in the 4th quarter and we win 17-7
Where did you get OSU's ranking eleven warriors?
USA today coaches poll - (OSU #11) (MSU #17)
AP - (OSU #12) (MSU #20)
Harris poll - (OSU #13) (MSU #18)
Tell me your taking the harris poll to be funny.
Kris, we pull our rankings from the one true poll:
http://www.sportsline.com/coll...
:)
This will be better than Ohio st. vs. Michigan this year.Michigan just doesn't have it this year . Michigan St. has got Ringer and thousands of roaring fans .It will be a test to contain Prior and the other powerback Wells!I think MSU has a great chance to win though.
OSU has struggled all year against all the crappiest teams ever. they barely beat poop teams and get blown out by good teams. MSU is no better than OSU and there is a good chance they could get stomped by OSU, but the fact of the matter is OSU is average, beatable,a nd offensively inept. they didnt score a toughdown agaisnt the number one worst defense int he big ten, now that is just offensive.
Jon, thanks for clearing that up for us.
Jon, you are are an ass clown. Now go drown yourself
@Jon
Kind of surprised Michigan alumni have the balls to post anything this season.
/knew it was a Michigan alum due to the grammar and (sic)ness.
Does Michigan still have a football program? I heard they lost the big house in a bet with Toledo University.
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This will be the game we turn the page in the play book!!! Go Bucks!!
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