I think that Shazier will go first, but Hyde should go first, he's poised to be huge in the league and right away too in my opinion.
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Carlos is the most ready, but it's not a running back league anymore. GO BUCKS!
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Hyde is a beast of a running back. He will go in the first round. I think he goes just before RDS goes.
The NFL draft is much more complicated than simply who's better/ready and more about value at specific positions, and RB isn't valued by the NFL at the present time like it once was. Last year the first RB was taken 37th (second) Carlos and RDS both go second round, and very close togrther.
Considering it is a pass happy league and the short shelf life for running backs, I say RDS goes first.
Someone is going to talk themselves out of Hyde in the first because he's probably going to run a bad 40 time by RB standards. He's got a knack for the endzone, is a pretty good blocker, runs hard and has enough 'make ya miss' to be really effective. Poor man's Eddie Lacy. Someone will grab in the late second, early third and be really pleased.
Someone is probably going to let Shazier's lack of bulk be the reason he slips out of the first round (if he does) and that too will be a mistake. I think he'd be a great fit in Green Bay opposite of Clay Matthews. What Dom Capers does with players would fit him well.
As for Roby, he's a first round talent. Corners have a hard life at both the college and NFL level, we saw Brad's star drop a lot this year. He's a good tackler, a physical player, and generally finds the ball. He reminds me a ton of the Bears' Tim Jennings. I'd expect a heavy cover 2 team to grab Roby in the middle of the first round. I think he's the lone first round Buckeye because his question marks are easier to talk yourself out of than Hyde's perceived lack of speed and Shazier's real lack of bulk.
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Good post and I agree with everything here.
I still think Roby will end up being a first round pick, even with the mediocre season he just had. CB is a premium position in the NFL and Roby just has way too much talent to slip that far in the draft. He's going to test out extremely well at the combine and teams will fall in love with his potential. There's not many CB's that can run in the low 4.3's (like I think he will) and are as physical as he is. This guy could be one of the best CB's in football if he figured it all out, but at the least you're getting a great special teams player and solid nickel corner.
I have no idea where Shazier will end up; I could see anywhere from late 1st (pick 20 onward) to the middle of the 2nd. I think he'll show up at around 235 at the combine and run extremely well. He'll be another Lavonte David; an extremely productive and athletic guy that slips because of lack of bulk, but when he turns out to be one of the more effective WLB's in football people will act like they knew he'd be great all along.
Hyde will be an early 2nd - early 3rd round pick. As mentioned several times already, RB just isn't a valued position in the league anymore. Unless a prospect looked like the 2nd coming of AP, I'd never draft a RB in the 1st either.
FWIW, I remember reading in 2011 that Hyde was the fastest running back on the roster, running in the mid 4.4's. He's slimmed down a bit since then and looked faster on the field. I think he was probably more of a 4.5-4.6 guy back then, not a 4.4 guy, but we could see him surprise a few people at the combine.
I wouldn't be shocked if he ran in the high 4.4's or low 4.5's. Not bad at all for a big running back.
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Talk about a backhanded compliment. Like you stuff most times Brew, but IMHO, El Guapo is better than Lacy. I have a feeling you'll change your mind next year around this time...
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I think that Hyde now is better than Lacy was coming out of Bama. I'm a Packers fan and I love Lacy, but I think Hyde has a shot at being just as good or possibly better.
Its not at all meant to be an insult but I'd bet dollars to donuts that is the name Carlos gets compared to come draft\combine season. Stop me if you've heard this before...Lacy is a tough runner who seldom goes backwards, has deceiving speed and is a good pass catcher. I say 'poor man' because Lacy ran for near 1200 yards and scored 12 times. He had a monster year in Green Bay and any team that gets Carlos will be doing flips if he gives them something similar. Also, the same knocks on Lacy (that he answered) will need to be answered by Carlos.
Carlos Hyde is going to be a steal. I'm not going to start another John Simon thing this time of year but he'll have to over come a lack of blazing speed-which is so stupid because it isn't his style but its what will scare some backward thinking teams in the NFL. You know where he'd fit in really, really well? Philly. That would be a great spot for him as the change of pace to McCoy. He doesn't give you the shift or speed but is a more powerful athletic type. He'd be a nightmare in that offense.
Brewster, I am an Eagles fan (rough weekend) and you are EXACTLY right. I have been hoping for a long time that Philly drafts Carlos. He would be the perfect compliment to Shady and would be an amazing option on 3rd and short and 4th and short (as well as the redzone) where the Eagles at times struggle. Shady isn't ideally big enough to just power forward for the 3 yards we need but El Guapo makes it look easy.
My only concern? I think Hyde will prove that he deserves to be a starter in this league and unfortunately I'm not sure there are enough touches to go around in Philly. With all that said, I would be elated if the Eagles took him early, though their Safeties definitely need an upgrade (sound kind of similar?) I'm confident Vonn Bell will be a stud though!
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My guess, not worth much 4 months away from the draft: Roby goes in the early 2nd round, Shazier later in the 2nd, and Hyde sometime in the third. One question I have about Roby is how teams will react when he begs off participating in the combine, something I foresee based on his recent pattern.
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I would have said Roby last summer, then RDS by mid season.
I'm saying Hyde now. He really progressed with pass catching and blocking towards the end of the season.
Not to mention his size and speed.
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Carlos is a good, but the league is so pass happy now and Trent Richardson set the RB position on the backburner for everyone. Unless you're Adrian Peterson I don't think runningbacks get drafted in the 1st round anymore.
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But seriously. I think Hyde can be a stud in the NFL. Shazier has the most upside IMO, he's just so fast and nasty. Gotta get well over the 230lb mark though.
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Surprised to see Roby as low man on this poll. I think he goes first. I think he showed lots of character this year. Several from behind touchdown saving tackles, lots of bone crunching hits at the line of scrimmage in run support. I was very impressed with his character this year. He has great skills, and his level of speed can't be taught.
I think RDS is going to represent the Buckeyes very well, may be a steal.
Carlos will go last in this group because the league does not value RB's as much, and teams will be scared away by character issues. Teams don't want to take the risk of bad publicity and like it or not there is a grainy video tape that will be scrutinized before he's drafted.
Agree with all your points except the last one about Hyde's character. I don't think that will be a big issue.
No one is going to take a RB in the first round unless they're incredible, and Hyde is good, and will be solid pro, but I don't think he's a gamechanger at the next level (hopefully he proves me wrong and blows up at the combine lol) I picked Shazier.