Urban Meyer Doesn't Rule Out Platooning J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones

By DJ Byrnes on August 20, 2014 at 12:12p
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Don't throw dirt on Cardale Jones' career just yet; there could be a very prominent role for the big fella in Ohio State's 2014 offense.

In a move that will invoke visions of his work with Chris Leak and Tim Tebow at Florida, Urban Meyer said today he'll consider using both Cardale Jones and J.T. Barrett at QB.

I've never been a fan of the two-quarterback system, but a quarterback platoon is largely responsible for the worst night in my sports fandom career. 

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Until one qb really runs away and is the sure-fire starter with braxton out, I expect to see some form of 2qb system. Maybe not as much as we may be thinking, but something along those lines until one is THE go to guy

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Barnsey69's picture

Normally I am not a fan of the 2 QB system, having lived through the indecisive John Cooper era, however I would definitely broaden my perspective since UFM has already won a championship in this fashion.

Whatever works.

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dan_isaacs's picture

Yes, but he did it with 2 losses.

Dan Isaacs

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Barnsey69's picture

And versus that vaunted SEC schedule. They beat the crap out of us in the title game, so I am thinking it works against pretty good competition when executed correctly. Only saying I trust Meyer to make it work, but I prefer one QB getting most of the snaps.

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CPDenn's picture

That Florida team had one loss. LSU lost two the next season.

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hit_the_couch's picture

LSU lost two the next season.

No, no, in the words of one Leslie Miles..."You know, my wife said to me, 'we are unbeaten in 60 minutes of regulation play.'" 

LSU only had mental losses that season.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Les actually said, "I'm going to let my team vote on how many losses we had last season"...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Cooper's two QB system left a lot to be desired but he stuck with it anyway.  Urban won't do that if it doesn't work. IMHO.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

luckynutz's picture

Mostly because Germaine was clearly the better of the two and should have been the clear cut starter. But for some reason Cooper felt the need to reward the senior Jackson with playing time. Which cost us a shot at the 97 National Title. Still cant get the image of that gift pick six out of my mind from The Game. That was the difference. Damn you Stanley Jackson. Damn you.

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lippertini's picture

Totally agree, except don't blame Jackson for not being quite good enough.  You were correct to blame Cooper, who was paid a heck of a lot of money to know better.

BuckWylde's picture

That's SO true! . . . I mean, Stanley was what?; 10-1 as a starter? Man, what a total bum! I guess Coop couldn't see the forest for the wins. :)

BuckWylde

TennBuck16's picture

Two QB systems always freak me out. I hope Meyer just picks one and sticks with him. Where you at Guiton? 

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mmounts's picture

I was wondering the same thing regarding Cardale. Just a week ago he was leading the competition for back-up and now somehow he is an option to transfer after 15.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Would rather have both guys get a chance to play , pre Big10, and find out their in-game strengths,. Then decide your starter once league play begins. Would hate to see either Cordale or JT not get an in game chance, become salty, and possibly become a negative presence in the locker-room.
Give em a chance, until failure is likely.

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BucksinNYC's picture

How different are the two QBs?  It worked in Florida because each provided something unique and brought a special skill set to the offense. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

I think cardale is a better runner, so it is almost like tebow &  leak

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cinserious's picture

One thing we need to remember is that in '05-'06 Chris Leak was a polished senior Qb, J.T. Barett a RS freshman with ZERO college experience. I can see Cordale playing the Tebow role though.  

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hit_the_couch's picture

Leak couldn't run. He was essentially a true version of a pocket passer. Barrett can run, so the situation is kinda weird to me.

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Dmac3212's picture

I don't know if I am missing something but JT  looks like by far the better rusher. Maybe Cardale can get some tough yards i.e. Tebow, but from what I have seen he's not the most graceful pure runner. I still think he reminds me of a more mobil byron leftwhich He has an absolute cannon. This is coming purely from highlights of high school and spring game. 

avail31678's picture

Cardale Jones is a lot like Tebow as a Freshman...huge and very hard to bring down.  He's the type of guy you could bring in and you know he's running the ball, but he gets 4-5 yards anyway.  Tebow destroyed us in the 2007 NC game this same way.

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Zimmy07's picture

4 or 5?  This is what happened when he was in last year & teams knew we weren't going to throw it:

Jones rush for 17, Jones rush for 4, Jones rush for 2, Jones rush for 9, Jones rush for 20, Jones rush for 8, (Jones inc pass), Jones rush for 4, Jones rush for 2, (Jones 3 yard pass completion), Jones rush for 10...

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avail31678's picture

i may have been a little conservative.  But I would argue those runs - although the D knew they were coming - were in garbage time when the other team's will was already broken.  I.E. Penn State - we absolutely obliterated them.  They couldn't have stopped me if I was running the ball.

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Frimmel's picture

I guess the question then is how often what Coach Meyer would consider and what actually takes place are similar to each other.

Buckeye1996's picture

I like the term situational over platoon. That's what Meyer did with Leak and Tebow. He used their skill set to set up a schematic advantage in certain situations. 

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osu07asu10's picture

Holy shit this is awesome! 

Who took a picture of Charlie Weiss naked in his bath tub?

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kmp10's picture

I hope Barrett runs away with this. If Meyer is forced to go to a rotation it will only be because Barrett is struggling. If Barrett is performing like we'd all hope, well, there will be no reason whatsoever for a QB rotation.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

And God forbid what if something happens to JT?  I like getting Cardale into the game too for a variety of reasons.  Experience being one of them.

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Vinsaniti's picture

It could work. Bring Cardale in for designed runs and long passes, let J.T. do the rest and be the leader of the O. I think I just taked myself into liking this, even though 2 QB systems scare me (ie: Northwestern last year)

BassDropper's picture

After hearing about JT, with his great leadership skills, accuracy and being "Guitonish"...Im definitely pulling for him. I would like to see Cardale come in maybe at goal line and use his big body on a couple of goal line sneaks.

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sharks's picture

Imagine you're LB on 1st and goal, and across the line you see a 250 lb QB with Rod Smith and EzE behind him. Now, go change your drawers

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The Rill Dill's picture

------with Dixon, Wilson, and Samuel BESIDE him.  Damn.  Hate to be a D coordinator planning against THE Ohio State Buckeyes!!  Dis gon be good.

OSUBias's picture

Think Ross at one point highlighted that at Florida, Meyer tended to run Tebow inside the tackles and run their speedy guys outside and on counters. At OSU, they've gravitated towards running the RB inside (thanks to beast mode Hyde and less perimeter speed than Meyer wanted). I have to think that with increased speed at the skill positions and a 250 lb bruiser option at QB in Jones, we might see more of the Florida variety. Barrett seems more like a Guiton to me: makes good reads, accurate without a rifle arm, not going to make a guy lose his jock strap but still an effective run threat. So I can see them both bringing something different to the table. 

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toad1204's picture

Not sure how I feel about it...  I think back to 2006 and know it can work. Then think about a certain pro team in north Ohio which was trying it until their last preseason game and how disjointed the QB and receivers looked on the field. 

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

ChazBuckeye's picture

I won't be making a sextuplet response this time because I'm on my work computer.  However I seem to remember someone saying this could end up being a dynamic duo like in 2006 when Meyer was at FL.  It seemed to work ok in 2006 against our best OSU squad since 2002.  I'm not too worried, but that might have something to do with keeping a positive attitude since I recently attained Va Tech and IU tickets for face value (28 A).  

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Middletown'sEloquence's picture

Is this a good sign? Yesterday urban was confirming his belief in the ability of Barrett.

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WezBuck28's picture

I think he is just wanting to keep everyone on their toes and guessing what's gonna happen next..one would think that seeing cardale come in means run up the middle, that could open up some screen passes since their focus will be trying to stop the run..we can't be one dimensional though, ghats for sure!

Furious George 27's picture

This isn't really a knock on ability, its using the players you have. It would be no different than running a wild cat formation from time to time.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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QBYBuckeye's picture

Urban has to keep all his QBs engaged and striving for PT.  There is no need to show his hand yet.  Cardale can and will be key to the success of the season, whatever role he is assigned.  If J.T. is the leader we have heard about, he will only distance himself from the competition in time, but that has not yet happened.  Meyer is in coaching mode with these comments.

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Vberger's picture

Not a fan of the 2 QB system, but you got to do what you've got to do to win games.

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mphillips87's picture

I think everyone is reading into this too much. My take is that JT will get the starts and Cardale will get the garbage time snaps.

OldColumbusTown's picture

Why couldn't Cardale Jones be a Blake Bell/Tim Tebow (freshman yr) type of QB?  In goal line situations, or 3rd/4th and short, you have a 250 lb. Mack truck behind what should be a good run-blocking line, and possibly with guys like Rod Smith and Bri'onte Dunn serving as wing backs to also help block.

Tebow, especially as a freshman, prided himself solely in converting short yardage situations.  Urban and the offense had a few variations, including some quick screens, jump passes, playaction, etc., but for the most part they allowed Tebow's size, strength, and desire to take over and he was rarely stopped.  I don't know exactly how hard Cardale runs, but based on how he looked running the ball last year he seems like a guy who can convert in short yardage.

This gives Cardale a sense of place and purpose on the team, keeps him engaged after I'm sure some disappointment at initially losing the backup job, and hopefully brings up his confidence even more should he be needed to spell Barrett.  I don't like the "traditional" 2-QB system, but the way Urban did it at Florida with Leak and Tebow was pretty unique.  I'd take those results this year in a heartbeat.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Agreed...Situational football. Not necessarily alternating series, but using one or the other in specific situations. Besides, splitting reps equally in practice might not be  the best thing, somebody has to get the nod.

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Jpfbuck's picture

I think if he wants to use Cardale like he used Tebow in 06 thats fine with me, Tebow threw less than 3 passes per game back then but ran the ball over 6 times a game mostly in short yardage.

given that they lost Miller and dont want to burn Colliers RS, then using Cardale and his significantly bigger body for those kinds of power runs in the Red Zone on in short yardage could be very useful

Tebow only got about 10-15 snaps a game back then, if we limit Cardale to that and otherwise take that physical toll off JT it could work wonders. Plus Cardale has shown ability to run and the guy is listed as 6'5" and 250,,,imagine him at the 2 yard line in the shot gun with EZE and or Wilson on the backfield....

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CPDenn's picture

Yep. Would imagine we'll see Cardale in short yardage/power/goal line situations throughout the year. Everyone please prepare yourselves accordingly for announcers to start screaming, "JUMP PASS! JUMP PASS!" When we're near the goaline. 

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GOOMBAY's picture

After the roller coaster start of the week, I'm happy to roll with "Sure" for the rest of the season.

Win by kicking 8 field goals? Cardale Jones platoons as punter for fake punts? Joey Bosa delivers pregame motivational haikus?

Yup. Sure.

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GoBucksToledo's picture

Depends.  How is Cardale with the jump pass?

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thatlillefty's picture

Did Urban say this out of the blue, or was he asked whether he would consider using both and answered, "Sure." I'm guessing it's the latter.

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sb97's picture

I would expect to see them both get significant time in the first couple of games.  They both need game experience. I would prefer that over time one of them becomes the clear #1 based off of in game performance.

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osu07asu10's picture

Who am I to argue?

I'd love to say it can't work but, then Urban 06'd us and well...sure whatever, I'll give it a shot

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45has2's picture

Day by day, I struggle to maintain not only my strength but my sanity. It's all a blur. I have no energy to write. I don't know what's right and what's wrong anymore. The morale of the men is low. A civil war in the platoon. Half the men with Elias, half with Barnes. There's a lot of suspicion and hate. I can't believe we're fighting each other when we should be fighting them. 

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ibuck's picture

Before getting too giddy about how great Barrett is or will be (e.g., Guitonization), remember that JT has not played a down of college ball, and wears a no-contact jersey in practice. As Mike Tyson said, "Everybody has a plan until they get hit."

Let's wait and see how he and Cardale do before we coronate either.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I was really hoping we would do this.  It gives the defense one more thing to worry about.  Cardale is going to run some unsuspecting lineback over donkey cart style this year.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I don;t know about a true platoon, but I do believe Jones has to play some, if only to ensure he has some legitimate experience in the event he's forced into the lineup.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

It's not going to be a 50/50 split, it'll be situational, like a good Whisky Sour when you want to get rid of that sour outlook.

OSUFlash's picture

Stay with the hot guy.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I think the old phrase is, "When you have two quarterbacks, you have no quarterback."

It could work but it makes me nervous.

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Buckeyejohn's picture

Not a fan of Cardale being used in the Tebow role. I think we are overestimating Cardale's running ability based on a dozen 4th quarter mop up duty runs he had against bottom feeders. What happens when Virginia Tech puts 8 in the box and Jones has no space. Not the same situation as running against the slow and defeated linebackers of Purdue or Florida A&M. Now Jones most certainly has some trucking ability, but Tebow was a whole different animal. I'm not saying Jones can't be successful on designed runs, but I think we should tone down all the Tebow  package comparisons until Cardale plays against decent competition. 

Ashtabula's picture

I don't love Tim Tebow, but please stop with the Jones comparisons. 

Otown Buckeye's picture

At UF (I know, I know, stop the UF comparisons), Urban had a guy named Trey Burton who could play just about anywhere offensively.  I'm thinking Jalin Marshall could really contribute in this type of hybrid role in lieu of a dual qb situation.  

"because we couldn't go for three"

Hovenaut's picture

Pessimism isn't really my style, but not warming up to the idea of going with a rotation.

Any 90's kids out there remember the two year ordeal that was the Stan Jackson-Joe Germaine Experience know what I'm speaking of.
 

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DePasta's picture

Yup......the momentum gains killed by quarterback changes still haunt me....

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bafiesta's picture

Not sure how these guys would be used situational way.  Comparing the two:

Cardale has better power as a runner and solid speed

JT is the faster more elusive runner

Cardale is the better down field passer with a stronger arm

JT is the better short passer getting the ball to our speedy playmakers.  JT has better accuracy.

How would one use these different skill sets in situations?  Cardale comes in on 3rd & 2 or less and on 3rd & 10 or more, JT plays 3rd & 3-9?  lol

Bamabucknut's picture

We are all anxious,but I'm very optimistic. Urban gets paid the big bucks to win and he knows how to evaluate talent.. i think we will be fine against Navy..  J T has a lot of talent...he is surrounded by a lot of talent who can't wait to unleash themselves and show the world.

Take a breath...and just let it happen.

N3t's picture

Cardale is big and very slow.  he won't play much unless JT gets hurt or is just plain bad

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bafiesta's picture

Cardale is not slow.  He ran well last year and in the Spring game.  Certainly he's no speedster but he's faster than Krenzel.  

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xrox's picture

More Cardale "Fisher-Price" Jones!

"Fisher-Price" because he ain't come to Playskool

Jbuckham94's picture

I guess I could see Cardale used in a role similar to Blake Bell when he was at Oklahoma. A really big goal line qb basically. It will be interesting to see how this plays out though.

EDIT: Didn't mean to simply parrot others' ideas. Didn't take the time to scroll through all the comments. Sorry.

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IBleedSandG's picture

I'm kinda hoping Urb and Herm use Jones on goalline situations like Stoops used the "Belldoozer" a few years ago. Also, I bet a jump pass play is being developed for Cardale too. Although, at 6'5'', he probably won't need to jump.

EDIT: As far as the Blake Bell idea, I also didn't read through every comment. 

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rkylet83's picture

With Cardale Jones monster arm and size we should utilize him when he's a better option, but honestly I only see it if we need to throw deep or a QB draw for short yardage.  I re-watched the spring game today, and for sure the starter should be J.T, but there is no doubting the physical skills of Jones in isolated areas.  

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hetuck's picture

JT and Jones have different abilities and should have packages tailored to what they do best. Think of the problems this causes for other DCs. It takes time to prepare for two contrasting styles. 

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s.pasadena fl's picture

Meyer using this to motivate both players!

Ed Hopper