Sources: Miller Dislocated Shoulder During Practice, Set For MRI Tuesday Morning

By Patrick Maks on August 19, 2014 at 7:15a
Sources tell Eleven Warriors that Ohio State quarterback Braxton Miller dislocated his throwing shoulder in practice.
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For weeks, questions have swirled around the health of Braxton Miller and a surgically-repaired shoulder that was supposed to have healed a long time ago.

Yet less than two weeks away from Ohio State’s season opener, Miller, its senior quarterback and centerpiece, remained curiously limited throwing the football as of Monday morning. A frustrating situation went from bizarre to a nightmarish a few hours later.

In a stunning and gutting turn of events, Miller re-injured his throwing shoulder on a routine passing play during the team’s afternoon practice, sources told Eleven Warriors Monday night. He dislocated it (right elbow to left hip, like a pitcher on the mound) and collapsed onto the field for at least five minutes while trainers and medical staff rushed to his side.

Miller was carted off Ackerman Field – the team’s temporary, off-site campground – and back to the Woody Hayes Athletic Center where his family later joined him there. He left the building in a sling. He’s set for an MRI Tuesday morning, though it remains unclear if or how much time he’ll miss.

Equally as muddled is how this all happened in the first place.

After undergoing surgery in February to repair damage suffered against Clemson in the Orange Bowl, Miller spent the last six months recovering and preparing to be the crux of a season swathed in championship hopes.

He was cleared to throw in early July and, by now, it was expected he’d be mastering the finest, most nuanced points of head coach Urban Meyer’s vaunted spread offense. Instead, he watched backup quarterbacks J.T. Barrett and Cardale Jones take snaps in his place.

Still, the Buckeyes, and Miller himself, insisted he was fine. They said it was part of a plan to ease him back into the daily grind of zipping and launching the ball every day.

“I’m 100 percent,” Miller said in between practices Monday. “It's just progression in my shoulder and it's precaution. I don't want to overdo it before the first game and I gotta sit out the first game ... it's part of the plan, we talk about it every day.”

The coaching staff said mental reps and mastering the team’s powerful offense “from the shoulders up” was just as important as working on timing with a new crop of talented, but inexperienced, wide receivers. They said being an observer was as an effective tool for growth, even if it wasn’t ideal.

Before hundreds of reporters at Big Ten Media Days in Chicago three weeks ago, Meyer said the Heisman hopeful was healthy and in “the best shape of his life.”

“I know I’ll get asked that question,” he said. He was right. That question got hurled at him plenty, but it never went away.

With every passing day that inched the team closer to its debut against Navy Aug. 30, a clearer picture showed Miller wasn’t as beaming as Meyer previously indicated. He wasn’t taking live reps during practice and he wasn’t throwing the ball much.  This is where the team’s talking points about Miller dramatically change from “this is the best he’s ever been” to “we hope he’ll be ready" in the span of about 21 days. 

In the first week of camp, Meyer and the coaching staff addressed the development by saying it was a precautionary measure to mitigate soreness and control the volume of Miller’s throws. They said it was part of a carefully constructed plan to ensure the quarterback didn’t accidentally hurt himself. It worked to suggest the matter was within Ohio State’s control.

But after another week passed by, Miller was just as limited as before. This time, Meyer and Co.’s message was about optimism.

“We’re expecting him Monday to hopefully take a big step. From what they tell me, he’s right on schedule, you’d like to have him to do a bit more but he did scrimmage today and attitude’s great. He’ll be ready,” Meyer said Saturday. “I’ve known Braxton for three years and it’s almost like looking at your son, you can see in his face if he’s concerned. And he’s not.”

When Monday rolled around, offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Tom Herman did his best not to add fuel to fire when talking about Miller.

“I think the trainers are optimistic and everything is on schedule. Had a little bit of a setback with some additional soreness that we weren't expecting,” offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Tom Herman said. “I'm not ready to say concerned is the right word. Not yet.”

Because even if something was wrong, Ohio State had 12 days to fix it. That's the funny thing about time, though. In April, life without Braxton Miller was an unpleasant, but very temporary, problem. It might be reality now.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I'm not a doctor, but I don't like the sound of any of this.  Gotta figure this could be hard to come back from.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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kmp10's picture

I dislocated my throwing shoulder in high school… and subsequently dislocated said shoulder many, many more times. Without surgery, Miller will NOT be able to play quarterback, for any length of time, ever again. It's just that simple. Dislocating a joint is devastating in that it will not heal. Ever. It's not a broken bone that heals as good as new over time. Once your shoulder is dislocated, the sac's / tendons / ligaments that hold that shoulder in place will NOT repair themselves. Surgery can repair MOST of that (it cannot replace the sac) and a QB can go on (see Drew Brees) to a great career… but it is not an injury that you can rest for a month and then play through it. Certainly not as a quarterback who dislocated his throwing shoulder. IF Miller dislocated his shoulder (a subluxated shoulder is one that pops out of joint and then quickly pops back in without manipulation) then that shoulder would have had to have been manipulated back into place by medical personnel. If it was subluxated and popped back in on its own then POSSIBLY he could sit for several weeks and come back… but I highly doubt it as without surgery, even for a subluxation, his NFL dream is not going to happen.

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BuckeyeKing02's picture

Thanks for the color, KMP.  One of the things I appreciate most about this site is the varying perspectives offered by participants that help inform us all.  We'll have to pray for a speedy recovery for Braxton!

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chad1244's picture

KM- I had the same injury.  Subluxated my throwing shoulder over 20 times before I finally had surgery.  The doc concurred that my shoulder had come out and reset itself that many times by looking at the scar tissue. It got to the point that I couldn't keep it in place and any physical activity would pop it.  Did it playing softball, flag football, water skiing, and once just casting a fishing rod!  You are right in that a soft tissue injury like dislocation or subluxation will not heal itself and surgery is often the only answer. Had surgery 10 years ago almost to the day.  I will say that the surgery itself is not bad, it's the recovery that sucks.  I was in a sling for almost 3 months.  BUT, my shoulder is repaired.  I'm hoping Braxton's injury is not severe, but indications are not looking as such.  We may be looking at a medical redshirt.

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zenshade's picture

Had virtually the exact same scenario. Did it playing basketball (feet got tangled with the other guy on a fast break shot block attempt). Re-dislocated it many times playing basketball and tennis. Finally had the surgery when it started popping out at night if I turned the wrong way. Took a couple of months to regain full strength, but 25 years later it's perfectly normal and have never had any issues with it.

Bags5150's picture

Been there myself...tore the labrum as well and developed an impingement, which means a small crack where when the head of the humorus comes in contact it can easily slip out again.  Everytime it goes out, the tendons and ligaments stretch.  Medical science is much further along now but I had to have my biceps tendon cut and doubled over for strength and reattached.  Before the surgery, my shoulder could pop out doing anything...softball, sleeping (turn over on it wrong and damn!!) a slip and slide...and MOST famously among my friends...When Joey Galloway caught the tying touchdown against Wisconsin, I through my hands up and cheered and it popped out!!  Waited til the game was over then went to the hospital to get it put back in!

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Maestro's picture

If he actually dislocated it (not subluxed) he might as well redshirt and get it fixed properly this time.  I am absolutely dumbfounded that this could have happened for the first time while throwing.  It makes me think we have not heard the whole story from the very start of this situation.

Whoever did his surgery either failed miserably, or Braxton didn't follow his precautions and rushed back to throwing before he was fully healed.

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OH1O State's picture

The Herbstreit hex is what happened...

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OH1O State's picture

Well that comment didn't pan out as expected...

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

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zenshade's picture

Haha. I bet that one didn't either. :)

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cronimi's picture

Don't be so superstitious. Obviously it was the SI Cover curse.... 

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Tim's picture

Dislocated on a non-contact play?  That does not sound good at all...

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TheBadOwl's picture

Do we know for a fact that it's dislocated? Because on Twitter, Patrick said "appeared to dislocated" and in this story it just says "dislocated."

I've dislocated my shoulder three times. Got surgery after the first one. Second dislocation happened three years later after I'd slacked on my therapy exercises and drunkenly fell onto a sidewalk at a weird angle (yeah, I was a dumb frosh).

My ortho was shocked that it'd come out of socket again. That's three years after surgery and with blunt trauma.

I have a tough time believing that Braxton's shoulder came out on its own, without any trauma, only seven months post-op.

I had another injury to my shoulder (which might have been the scar tissue popping off, I never knew for sure) that felt like I'd popped it out, and I was on the ground in pain for a few minutes. Turns out there wasn't any structural damage. This happened throwing a baseball seven months after my surgery.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Tim's picture

Fair point, I still don't think we have confirmation on what exactly happened.

AlwayzABuckeye614's picture

So is the dislocated shoulder a different injury than what was operated on in Feb? A bit confused. 

yrro's picture

It's a different injury, but afaik (I am not a doctor, but I do have shoulder problems) it is likely related. When you tear ligaments, there are all sorts of weird secondary damage that happens, and can continue to happen through rehab.

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Maestro's picture

It is very confusing, which is why I don't believe we have had all the information from the very get go.  Not that we have a right to know or anything, but clearly the extent of injury was not shared.

As many have said on this thread, we need to hear a definitive answer to whether he actually dislocated or subluxed his shoulder.  There is a huge difference in terms of the likelihood of Braxton returning this season.

A dislocated joint is more severe and usually involves the complete tearing of ligaments.  A subluxation is basically a partial dislocation and a lengthening/overstretching/partial tearing of the support tissues.

The shoulder is a very unstable joint by its nature because the humerus (upper arm) is so much larger than glenoid (socket of the shoulder).  It's kind of like a golf ball/golf tee relationship but not quite that big a disparity in size.  Imagine trying to hold a golf ball on a golf tee with the tee parallel to the ground.  Not happening without some support structures helping the tee grab onto the ball.  If Braxton dislocated his shoulder the ball fell off the tee and without surgery to repair the support structures it will fall off again.  Especially if the shoulder was so unstable that the ball fell off the tee while just throwing vs. a blow to the shoulder

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Losing the QB at any time is bad.  During the season would have been worse.  The throwing shoulder has to be demonstrably 100% or the opponent will camp on the weakness and overload their defense toward the weapons that remain.  Time to get someone else up to speed to be the starter if the worst happens and Miller cannot go.  

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Brutus_Bully's picture

This is all very suspicious to me, Meyer going out of his way to say Miller is 100% weeks ago ,then Miller not practicing and all of this "part of the plan" stuff. Now Miller dis-locates his shoulder throwing the football??!! He was never healed IMO.

B.B.

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braneli's picture

I agree. I've been reading a lot of reports and varied information, and I can't help but feel a bit like I feel when the government tries to hide things from the people. Something's fishy.

"You are confined only by the walls you build yourself."

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yrro's picture

On the other hand, recovery from this type of surgery is very much a process. There's a long time where you feel like 100%, even have a lot of your measurable strength back... but you should still ease into things to avoid re-injury.

I don't think it's hiding anything to mean that he was essentially right on schedule, but still needed to feel things out when he actually started putting heavy, live stress on the joint.

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PittBuckeye's picture

Very much this^

As has been mentioned in here joints are tough things. Once you sprain an ankle really bad it sprains way easier the next time. Shoulders are the same, from the first time I tore my supraspinatus and labrum being "healed" was a relative thing. For me it's back to normal, but for the average shoulder it never will be. They would have been trying to strengthen everything around it as much as possible, but the soreness the other day really should have shut him down for awhile.

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Man, hope he heals up quick. Not for my viewing pleasure, but for his own progression and future.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

^^^THIS

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

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ExpressiveBuckeye's picture

Amen DubJay. I would hate for someone with so much talent,  and who has been such a great leader, to have the "what could have been" complex. 

On the other hand...we all saw what happened to Willis McGahee. With one of the best med centers in the nation on hand, l  am hoping his recovery will be full. 

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

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osu78's picture

I agree. In the middle of all of this is a young man who his chasing his dream and now faces an uncertain future where he may or may not realize his goal of playing in the NFL. The first order of business is for him to get healthy, and if that means missing the season so be it. It'd be great for him to bounce back and have a super senior season but I would not want that at the expense of his long term health and NFL success.  

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Absolutely. I feel terrible for him. The team takes a step backwards but this will impact him the rest of his life.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

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My2Sons's picture

I don't believe that the team will take a step back.  Only in another direction.

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LouGroza's picture

To come back from shoulder surgery in six months being ready to perform as a QB is very ambitious to say the least. That is nasty surgery to recover from for anyone, let alone a QB.  Braxton may not have been up front with trainers and staff about how it was really feeling because he wanted to play the season. All medical staff can do is go off of what they are told. Hope he takes whatever time necessary to heal up and does not repeat this again.

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Frimmel's picture

I have to think a hint of Brax maybe being a bit cagey with the med staff was in there as well. As much as Brax gets banged up he might have actually felt "fine" (comparatively) but was in fact in considerably more pain than he was letting on.

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saevel25's picture

I am sure Ohio State has some very good sports trainers and doctors. Things might have looked ok, but you never know. Like any joint injury, you are never sure until you get the reps in. Looks like even after the surgery his shoulder was still unstable enough to dislocate. If it did dislocated, 6 weeks recovery time, if surgery is required he's done for the year. 

On the surgery Braxton had in February, 
"It typically takes 2 to 4 months to achieve complete relief of pain, but it may take up to a year to return to your sports activities."

LouGroza's picture

The year to return makes sense to me from my personal experience. I've had two shoulder surgeries leading up to an eventual total shoulder replacement. On the first one, the guy over top of me pushing the gurney into surgery looked at me and said "when you wake up be ready for pain like you have never felt before, this is the second most painful surgery there is next to spinal fusion. Don't want to scare you, it's just best to be prepared." And with that I went through seven years of shoulder hell. Oh, and the guy was right, the pain was incredible, and lasted for months.

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daytonbuckeye's picture

Well, I think that you just helped steer me away from spinal fusion. 

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d1145fresh's picture

I've never awaited a HIPAA violation as much as I am today. 

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MediBuck's picture

As a medical professional, this x1000

"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes

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allinosu's picture

The unexpected soreness ate at me that something wasn't fixed. Braxton must be devastated. New line and now QB will be a challenge but I think JT will progress just like Braxton had to do. At this point my thoughts are with Braxton.

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USArmyBuckeye's picture

It seems like some optimistic thinking combined with some gamesmanship.  Keep hoping for the best, and letting future opponents plan for Braxton until the last possible minute.  Keeping my fingers crossed for Braxton, and putting full faith in our coaching staff, team leaders and J.T. to ensure business gets taken care of.  As you all may remember, some red shirt freshman have surprised some guys the past few years, so who are we to say it won't be J.T. this year?

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Riggins's picture

Dislocated on a non-contact run-of-the mill passing play? I didn't even know that was possible. More surgery is likely in his future since they clearly didn't fix him up last time.

Medical redshirt? Sadly, I think so

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DisplacedBuckeye's picture

Braxton never took a redshirt. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he wouldn't even need to worry about a medical redshirt, would he?

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avail31678's picture

I'm pretty sure that's correct.  He would not need to "apply" for a medical redshirt...he'd just redshirt as he is a true senior.

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cdub4's picture

I could be wrong, but I don't see him redshirting as a senior. As stated above, it would not have to be medical.

DisplacedBuckeye's picture

I agree. As much as I love watching Braxton play for the Buckeyes, I just don't see him taking a redshirt and coming back for another year, if it even comes to that. We don't know how many games, if any, he will even miss. I'm still hoping for the best for Braxton. 

buckeyecityterror's picture

So instead he is going to the NFL coming off of 2 losses and possibly 2 shoulder surgeries? No way. If he needs to redshirt, he needs to come back.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress.

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DisplacedBuckeye's picture

I'd like him to stay until he's 40, but it's up to Braxton what he needs to do. 

OfficerRabbit's picture

I can assure you (sadly), that once a shoulder is dislocated, nothing short of surgery will get it back to anywhere close to 100%. I've had three surgeries total, both shoulders involved, and after each dislocation the joint is so loose that pretty much anything can knock it out, even rolling over in the night wrong.

On the medical redshirt, I've been thinking since this morning it would be better for him in the long run to get surgery, them try to get picked up in a late round by an NFL team. As many above have mentioned, the likelihood of his shoulder ever being 100% again is slim, and I think any future shoulder injuries sustained in college will all but kill his NFL aspirations. 

 

 

Groveport Heisman's picture

Repeat separated throwing shoulder is what knocked me out of baseball as a teenager. I feel really really bad for Brax because sometimes it is just never the same and it gets easier to pop out of socket each time. If I had to put money down I would say this isnt his first dislocation or separation this offseason.

Mark my words..I don't need acceptance. I'm catching interceptions on you innocent pedestrians.

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northwest_buckeye's picture

Tough situation for Braxton. At this point, it appears that his entire career is in jeopardy... What a shame.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

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SilverState's picture

How quickly do MRI results come back?

gumtape's picture

It depends on the doctor. The MRI can take 15 minutes. Reading it maybe another 10. Then it is a matter of our beat reporter getting the information. That is the tricky part.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Yeah with the medical privacy laws it's hard to tell when we'll know.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

rkylet83's picture

A badly dislocated shoulder is pretty much season ending, and by the sounds of things playing football this season wouldn't be in Braxton's best interest for the future.  He needs to get healthy.  Take a medical redshirt, finish school and rehabilitate it.  Trying to rush back onto the field could be disastrous.    

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PittBuckeye's picture

The thing to hope for is that it isn't career threatening, plenty of even elite athletes can never quite get the arm all the way back.

jamesrbrown322's picture

Well, given the circumstances, the Orange Bowl may have been his last appearance as a Buckeye. I am hoping that they rally and win him a B1G Title as a send off. I can't imagine him returning and risking yet another injury. Then again, his NFL future may be at RB, so perhaps they try Brax in the "Percy Harvin" role if he returns?

Let's just all hope whatever the outcome of the season and his career at OSU, he at least recuperates quickly enough to pursue his NFL dreams.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I know its a very new situation but anyone know if a red shirt is being discussed?

Its gotta be devastating for miller. Hope everything works out for him. 

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toad1204's picture

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

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cronimi's picture

+1 for a medically themed rage gif.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Hoping for the best for Braxton... whatever that may be. If he misses the year, and moves on to the NFL, good luck to him. I'd love to have him back if possible, but he has to do what's best for his body and his future. JT Barrett is an Urban Meyer recruit and the next great Buckeye quarterback... we just might get to witness it a year earlier than expected. Johnny Manziel and Jameis Winston won the Heisman as redshirt freshmen... and Winston won a national championship because he had a strong team around him. GO BUCKS!

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Feel so bad for the kid.

I had a Beanie Wells's foot feeling about Brax's season before this. We are OSU. Our backup is a top QB and would start at most schools. He has got wheels and by all accounts should be more ready than a young Brax was. Season ain't over. If anything we have a great season and a leg up on next season. Heal up Brax and JT get ready.

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dan_isaacs's picture

Agreed.  We need to time to grieve about Brax, but by next week, we'll be excited about JT.

Dan Isaacs

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

First Clemson took our coach. Now they have taken our QB. I'd recommend a perma-ban on playing Clemson. 

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MediBuck's picture

Every time I watch that play in slow motion, I feel a murderous rage fill me directed entirely at that shitbird Clemson DL Shuey. You see him turn midair and drive his shoulder straight into poor Braxton's arm on that late hit. Is there such a thing as roughing-the-passer's career, because 15 yards in that game wasn't enough.

"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes

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ibuck's picture

Seems like a 15-game penalty would be more appropriate.  In hockey now, criminal charges are filed for vicious hits.

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

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hodge's picture

Well gents, shit happens. 

As much as this sucks, I'm looking froward to seeing what JT Barrett can do in this offense. Besides, it's not like Meyer hasn't been stockpiling offensive talent since he arrived here—he'll actually have to use them now, as opposed to falling back on what's comfortable. 

Rest assured, there are going to be some growing pains, but this is a damned good team—new QB or not—with a damned good coaching staff. I have faith in both entities to make this an exciting season, Miller or not. 

Go Buckeyes, gentlemen. 

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chitown buckeye's picture

Well said, Hodge. I'm excited and still very optimistic about the season.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Well said, Hodge.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I feel bad for Braxton and wish him a speedy recovery.

Like you, though, I am excited (or is it anxious?) to see JT run the offense. As others have mentioned, the offensive staff will have to find creative ways to distribute the ball to all the playmakers. Our expectations for the Buckeyes winning the ultimate prize this season get tempered, but - somewhat like 2012 - maybe it becomes a "for the love of the game" type season, during which we get to see a collection of very talented but kind of raw kids grow and develop.

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hodge's picture

I keep coming back to one of Urban's quotes from Florida.  In 2006, just before the SEC Championship game, Urban was really nervous and called his mentor, Earle Bruce, for advice.  His words were as succinct as they were effective:

"Let the motherfucker go"

Urbz responded with a fake punt that swung the momentum of the game early and resulted in a blowout victory.  This season, I'm thinking that he needs to revisit that statement.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

That's a great point, Hodge. One could argue that they had such high expectations last season and were defending their winning streak, that Urbz and company weren't in a position where they could "let the motherfucker go." Taking a high risk, high reward approach in an effort to reach an even higher ceiling is a tough proposition when you start with a very high floor. Maybe that partly explains why Urbz and the defensive staff were slow to play raw but very talented freshmen, with so much at stake.

This season, especially now that Braxton is out, they don't have to worry so much about protecting their big stash. Meanwhile, I feel that this will be the first season under Urbz when fellow Big Ten rivals get the full "shock and awe" effect of the speed, quickness, and athleticism that Mayer has been recruiting. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that these athletes will necessarily go Genghis Khan on fools, because there is a lot more to football than (SEC-like) speeeeeed, but I do think this will be the first year that the other teams look like they're slogging through mud when playing the Buckeyes.

So, yeah, let the motherfucker go. They might lose a few games, even lose a game they shouldn't lose, but I see them being really good by the end of the season.

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hodge's picture

My point exactly.  I think that Meyer played not to lose last season; I'm ready to see him get everyone involved to win it all.

I'm thinking this season will be much more akin to 2005 than 2004 or 2011.

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Buckabroad's picture

Thanks for your comment and your perspective.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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bucks_4_life's picture

My thoughts exactly Hodge! JT is a fantastic qb who I think will surprise us all. All I've been thinking about is... Manziel, Winston.... Barrett?

The juice is worth the squeeze

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I was thinking the same thing.

"But, but, teams with new quarterbacks never win big!" is what some will say. Recent history says otherwise.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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bucks_4_life's picture

Unless you're Alabama...

The juice is worth the squeeze

blocko330's picture

Well I sure hope he recovers quickly, damn......

With that being said I am still very optimistic about this team and this season.  Obviously we would all like B Miller but I think with an improved secondary, a top notch D line, and multiple weapons on offense we can still accomplish a lot.  I don't think I need to tell anyone but Krenzel was not the most athletically gifted QB I've ever laid eyes on.. He was a good game manager and we had a stellar D; who knows, maybe JT will be just that...

O-H!

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d5k's picture

The only problem is we were only hoping for a defense half as good as 2002 yesterday.  I think we have to temper our expectations if Braxton is out for the season.  We should still be able to make a run at the B1G but the playoff would be a tough ask.

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blocko330's picture

Totally agree, I just think our defense can be better than half of what 2002 was. 
 

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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buckeyecountry's picture

Very depressed as I am sure Braxton and all of Buckeye Nation is.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I am indeed disappointed for us as fans, but I am more disappointed for a young man who was looking forward to fulfilling his dream of leading his team out onto the field for a 4th and final season, and hugging his coaches and parents on Senior Day, before leading his favorite team from childhood to a B1G title while probably winning his 3rd Silver Football, and possibly garnering All-American honors and serious Heisman consideration while competing for a National Championship.

All of that MAY be gone for us. However, it is almost certainly gone for Miller. There will be other teams and players for us as Buckeye fans, but as a Buckeye QB, he may have just seen his last chance fly by in the blink of an eye. I certainly hope that this is not the case, and it is an injury that "looks/feels worse than it really is." (almost like rolling an ankle sometimes) Perhaps it's one that only takes 4-5 weeks from which to recover.

Either way, let's all count ourselves blessed to witness what we have over the last 3 years. This one will still always be my favorite - The Greatest Half-Yard Run of All Time!

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

+14 HS
Oldschoolbuck's picture

Well said, JamesBrown. Of course we are disappointed in what this means for the team and (potentially) the season. However, I'm much more saddened for Brax. He's such a great kid and seemed to be making the necessary strides to become an elite QB whose skills could translate to the NFL.

Hopefully/prayerfully/sending good vibes his way, he can get the medical treatment needed, finish his degree, perhaps redshirt, develop even more and fulfill his NFL dreams for himself and his family.

+2 HS
Zimmy07's picture

I got goosebumps when I watched that play live.

PalmettoNut's picture

I thought he would of had an MRI yesterday.  

Best case is a partial dislocation followed by swelling.

Worst case is torn soft tissue and more surgery. 

Either way we will not see him to start the season.

Get well soon Brax.

apack614's picture

Take some time and get yourself fixed Miller! We all know you want to play but you dont want to ruin your career brother! Go Bucks!

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

Mortc15's picture

I feel bad for Brax but I don't think anyone should expect him to play this year. Look at the facts. I'm no doctor, but MINOR surgery in FEB still wasn't healed. Now a setback? Doesn't sound good to me. Hope Barrett is completely ready. 

Buck-I4Life

+1 HS
Hovenaut's picture

I feel bad...bad for Braxton. Sometimes life is a little difficult to understand.

Reaffirming my support to the team. It's hard to lose a brother in arms (no pun intended), but I'm confident this team can carry on.

+4 HS
DenBuck's picture

Heal up, Brax! We're with ya...

Buckeye For Life

TheNorthernBuckeye's picture

Obviously devastating but we are in win now mode. Next man along with the defensive unit as a whole need to step up. Defense wins championships. 

"You're an angry football team, and I'm proud to be your coach." - UFM

+2 HS
Myc24's picture

Hoping the best for Braxton's future. If he can't go this year, the Buckeyes should still be fine - and I'll watch every game no matter what. That being said, if he's going to miss significant time, I hope he decides to use his redshirt, heal up, get his Heisman and championships in 2015, and get a good slot in the Draft. I'd hate for this to be how his OSU career ends. 

Whatever happens, and whatever decisions are made: wishing a speedy recovery and the best of luck to Braxton. 

"Because I couldn't go for three!"  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

+2 HS
Poison nuts's picture

Here's the thing, I don't want to bust any bubbles, but I can't see him red-shirting for any reason. I suppose it's possible but I believe this could be it for him in an OSU uniform. It's really sad...not for me - I'll be an OSU fan til my dying day. It's sucks for Braxton.  My entertainment means little compared to his health & future. My thoughts are with the guy right now...Go Brax!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

+5 HS
cronimi's picture

Yeah, I don't think he'd come back next year either -- assuming he would still have a shot at the NFL, coming back to OSU and risking another injury, which likely would be career-ending, just isn't logical. But I think he could take the medical redshirt to preserve the possibility of coming back, and always decide later to go into the draft. It's all about options for Brax. Also, I hope he picked up a disability and loss of value insurance policy in the off-season.

Myc24's picture

I agree - I just don't necessarily have faith that the NFL will take a shot on him (especially in the early rounds) without seeing how a (probably) twice surgically repaired throwing shoulder holds up in a game. It would probably be better for him (financially as well as developmentally) to redshirt if he can't go this year.
Personally, I think Braxton, assuming he recovers, has star potential in the NFL. But I'm not entirely sure he'll get that shot if he doesn't see the field for the Good Guys again. 

"Because I couldn't go for three!"  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

+1 HS
Buckeyeinsc's picture

Well at least we have some great depth in the backfield and JT. Maybe see a power o or read option offense this year. We have the rb's for it

Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"

+1 HS
Frimmel's picture

Well, when I start out depressed everything becomes a pleasant surprise.

+2 HS
immort9888's picture

I feel terrible for Braxton.  I hope he gets better soon.  With that said, next man up!  If JT Barrett can be as effective as Kenny Guiton running the offense, it WILL be a fun season.  JT did come from a school that ran a similar offense.  I hope he has the reads down in the running and passing game.   

+3 HS
OSUnathen's picture

Braxton red shirts this year while JT or Cardale gets a year of playing time. Meanwhile O-line, Zeke, defensive unit, WR's, all gain a year of experience and solidify. Braxton comes back healthy and with a really loaded team and an O-line much better. JT or Cardale will be ready to step in when Braxton eventually does leave and we basically don't have to break another QB in. Only positive I can think of. 

saluki2007's picture

I feel terrible for Braxton just like everyone else.  You never hope for anything like this for any player.  That being said, this is OHIO STATE and as the coaches have been saying this summer/fall, next man up!  You got this JT.

Blackbeards Delight's picture

Man Braxton, preservere.

 I seem to remember a team in 2006 that had a QB that was a better passer and one that was a bulldozer. They both played, both were coached by Urban, and all three won a BCS NC. Perhaps a bit of a situational two QB system this season?
 Still excited, more intrigued, and ready for this damn season to start.

Keep grinding Braxton. 

Crunchy Peanut Butter Bitches.

- Me

 

Homey1970's picture

The shoulder must have been more severely damaged than the staff was willing to admit...stated it was "minor surgery."  Regardless, I'm hoping he can continue to rehab while the other two QBs get us to November undefeated.  Then (hopefully) Miller can lead us the final two months.  I have faith in Ash/Johnson (and the stockpiled talent) that this D is going to be much improved and we won't need Miller to outscore the competition...especially early in the season. 

On a related note, although not a shoulder, I dislocated my ankle for several years until having it repaired (modified brostrome procedure) and it took me 6 months to fully rehab.  I don't dislocate it any longer but now I have arthritis and bone fragments (up to 7mm large) floating in the joint....which I'm told is normal after this type of procedure.  Wondering if there's any similarities.  

Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Google indicates a 4-6 week injury, since this is a throwing shoulder it sounds like 6 weeks.

If Braxton misses 4 games will he medically red shirt?  Is that a good thing for next year where we'll have a more experienced offensive line and defense?

buckeyedude's picture

That's life, man. It's a roller coaster. What matters is how we handle the downs. Get well Braxton.

 

 

+3 HS
Poison nuts's picture

AMEN!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeyeneer's picture

That's great . . . though in a Joe Dirt "Life's a garden. Dig it." sort of way.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

Oldschoolbuck's picture

...Tom Herman said, "I'm not ready to say concerned is the right word. Not yet.

Go ahead and say it, Tom. And add devastated, crushed, stunned, immensely saddened...

+1 HS
Barnsey69's picture

This totally blows moose schlong. I am now wondering if his original surgery wasn't to address something more serious. Why would you still have your arm in a sling (spring ball) 3 months after arthroscopic surgery...doesn't that heal pretty quick under normal circumstances?? 

Regardless, the bottom-line is that Braxton heals and finishes his career as a Buckeye. That may mean receiving a degree, rather than leading the football team out of the tunnel, or he may yet be playing on Sundays. Either way, nothing but the best to #5.

Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes!

+2 HS
TURD_BUCKET's picture

Read the Q & A with Doug Donley from 11W's article of 8-7-14:

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/search/doug%20donley

Donley had dislocated shoulder problems.

It seems like once you dislocate your shoulder, it is very likely to continue to get dislocated.

 

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.”

buckeyestu's picture

Wishing Brax a speedy and full recovery, and a very healthy future.

Tampabuckeye85's picture

I'm not a professional and unless this injury ends his career for good, there is no way he doesn't use his red shirt if avail. 1. He is a competitor and there is no way he goes out like this. 2. If he was being graded as a late round pick this year, what do you think it will drop too without a year playing? My guess is he would be smart enough to completely heal and come back for 2015. I haven't really seen much of JT and he may be good but I am sure there is no way Braxton can't take his job back next year.

+1 HS
JohnnyKozmo's picture

And risk another set back without ever cashing an NFL paycheck?  Because 1 more shoulder injury, and I doubt any NFL team will draft him as a QB.  He could change positions, but as injury prone as he has been, I don't see him making it as a RB or WR very long either.

My guess is he came back in large part because of the shoulder, as he would have obviously failed every physical given to him in the pre-draft evaluations.

THEOSUfan's picture

I know a little about this stuff, and without getting too technical, you are generally born with one really good set of ligaments that hold your joints together.  When something traumatic happens where those ligaments are damaged or ruptured, there is a limited amount of natural healing that occurs (due to limited blood flow to ligament tissue), and there is some degree of joint instability - the degree dependent on the severity of ligamentous insult.  With a dislocation, even partial, you will have significant ligament damage, and therefore, significant joint instability.  Surgery can tighten those ligaments, and provide increased stability, but the shoulder is more complex than, say, a knee because of the different planes and extents of motion, and the number of factors that contribute to joint stabiltiy.  So while a plumber may be able to go back to work and have no problems, someone who throws with that shoulder will be at high risk for repeat dislocation, even with surgery.

The fact that he dislocated it without being hit, and just with the throwing motion, tells me that there was a catastrophic ligament failure with the motion that is required for him to throw.  Not good.  Just based on that, I'd guess he is done as a QB, and possibly as a football player. These ortho guys are coming up with new approaches with surgery all the time, but I'm not aware of anything right now that will solve this problem completely.  Something with stem cell introduction that causes regeneration of original ligament tissue, and optimal joint stability could be the ultimate answer.

dalbuck's picture

Remember when we were thinking this was going to be a more balanced attack?  Looks like we could ended up a heavy run team again this year.  Hope Elliott and company can produce.

DB

blueinsconsin's picture

Best of luck to him and his recovery.  Hate to see guys go down with injuries, no matter how much of a rivalry it is.

Not here to troll...Go Blue

+4 HS
Fatpants's picture

This is not AS big a deal if the defense is fixed. We've got weapons on offense and should be fine if we don't have to score 40 every week. 

jedkat's picture

“The teams that don’t respect their coaches and don’t trust their coaches are the teams that go .500"
~Zach Boren

+6 HS
Buckifan4Life's picture

Let's go Barrett and Jones. Get it together. You guys can run this offense. Use that stable of offensive

weapons you have around you. Get well Brax!

Get Bucked's picture

Capt. Hindsight says: "The coach should have utilized Kenny Guiton during his senior year when Braxton wasn't producing results."

-2 HS
Get Bucked's picture

Down voting my comment doesn't make it any less true. Nice try sports fan.

BuckeyeFreak4844's picture

Well most qbs in the country would be Braxtons Back up on this team.  So i am not throwing in the towel i am not sure what JT and Cordale will bring but im excited about that and devistated for one of my all time buckeyes to be injured and hopefully on the mend.   Everyone on this site has been talking for years about these great recruiting classes its time for the talent to prove itself.

Michigan Sucks!

+1 HS
Doc's picture

Redshirt him.

"Say my name."

causeicouldntgo43's picture

What I feared most may have come to pass. OK, let's face it, it really doesn't look good for Brax. What is really sad and frustrating is the lost potential. There's just so much that #5 was (and may still) going to do this season. Having said that, Braxton needs to take care of Braxton now. The team (psychologically speaking), needs to pick itself up, dust itself off, and go kick some ass.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Aaron Craft has one year of NCAA eligibility left to play any sport besides basketball. So... is it too late to bring him in to play QB?

I'm only half joking. The dude was a stud in high school.

+7 HS
CALPOPPY's picture

Why bring back Craft when Greg Paulus is already on campus?

I'm a hurtin' buckaroo.

+1 HS
THEOSUfan's picture

Shit and damnation to the infinite power.

Braxton is like a very valuable vase - rare and beautiful in function, but very, very fragile.

+1 HS
rdubs's picture

I am gutted for Braxton, absolutely gutted.  Injuries are the worst.  If a kid throws away his future by doing stupid stuff, it sucks but at least they had the option.  Injuries just rob you of any opportunity.  

+1 HS
Jugdish's picture

I was really crushed when I read this news this morning. My heart really aches for Braxton and his family. This truly shows how tough Braxton is because after the injury against Clemson. Braxton never gave up. A pass play was called and Braxton gave it all he had, but he can barely get the ball over the heads of our linemen. The Buckeyes will still be very special this year, but it is going to so much more difficult without Braxton. JT and Jones will perform well, but how do you replace the heart and soul of the offense.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

+1 HS
Brutus's picture

If Miller's career is over there may be a bright side to this: he can start planning for life after football right now when he's young and still in college.  Take this next year to heal and concentrate on finishing his education. How many guys go off to the NFL having half-assed it through college thinking they wouldn't need an education because they'd be rich enough even after their playing days? And how money times do things actually work out that way? Miller has been one of my most favorite Buckeyes to watch play. He's like Craft in many ways: an exceptional talent in his sport but one whose game doesn't translate well at the next level. Miller could have gone on to surprise many and had a career in the NFL, just as Craft may still in the NBA, but the odds are not in their favor. I'm sure Miller would be better off at least having the opportunity to find out, and maybe he still will, but if not, he'll now have time to think much bigger picture.

Just trying to find a little optimism in a horrible situation. Truth be told, the last twelve hours have felt like one long continuous nut punch. I can't even fathom what he's going through.

+2 HS
Baroclinicity's picture

Kinda feels worse than when Beanie went down against YSU.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Brutus's picture

Actually, that one felt worse for me.  If memory serves, we had USC the very next week and we all knew we weren't going to win that game without him. Meanwhile, with Beanie we were possibly in a position to make a third consecutive run at the BCS championship game if we could get past USC. I remember thinking Beanie should never have been in the game that late against the likes of YSU so it was a truly pointless injury. Given the nature if Miller's current injury, it sounds like this was bound to happen at some point unfortunately. It doesn't sound as though Miller ever fully rehealed.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

In today's game the QB is obviously the most important position so this deals the program a huge blow.  Number one concern is the health and future of Braxton, a great kid who gave his all every play and was poised to have a big senior season.  Not sure if the bucks will be a factor this year, but we still have some great athletes and great coaches, it will be a test of guts and determination and game planning.  It's time for the defense to step up and help out this season.  I hate to use the term "system quarterback" but that is probably the best we can hope for, to think a young backup can be a Johnny Manziel or a Jamis Winston is probably wishful thinking.  Of course all of us will support our team, the future of the program looks great despite this setback and let's see if we can have an improbable, magical season despite this setback.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

Buckeyeneer's picture

Get better, Brax!

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

meckwell's picture

After my shoulder surgery, I was told it would be 12 months before I was normal, and that was dead on.  I couldn't throw anything after six months.  I never bought into him being back that early.  I wonder if he was misrepresenting his condition to the staff hoping he could play?

Paul

+1 HS
daveyt11's picture

God Bless you Brax...we are praying for you and your family.

BlackKeys's picture

MAN I HATE THE TWO HEADED QB SITUATIONS....Whatever happens, I hope whoever the starter is for Navy STAYS THE STARTER. Barring any injury or SIGNIFICANT seperation in talent. None of this back and forth where the "starting qb" is trying to keep his job every offensive series.

Hogan1's picture

With a strong defense and a competent quarterback Mich St won a Rose Bowl so anything is possible. The sky is not falling but it does make things a little more interesting.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Well, I'd be less worried about this injury if had confidence in our defense. If we have to score 30 points to beat anyone with a pulse this year ... that would be a tall order even with a healthy Miller.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

SpielmanForPres's picture

Feel really bad for him. What a season this was going to be. Hits me in the stomach much the same way it did when Byars broke his foot during camp prior to his supposed Heisman run. This can really take the air out if the team - hopefully the understudies can step up and lead this team to a great season. I just don't see Braxton coming back from this issue, and that sucks. I hope I'm very wrong. 

Bags5150's picture

I know we don't know everything yet but lets say he's done for the season.  Upside...JT has been getting ALOT of reps in camp.  The staff has to know that at any moment Brax could go down as he's shown his whole career.  I would come out today and name JT the starter.  None of this "wait and see" or "we're hoping" etc.  Just name JT the starter for Navy and take the next two weeks and prepare the entire team for what we have to do now.  WRs have to step up, RBs have to step up, our O line has to step up and the Defense has to be improved.  Lets be honest...this is nothing new even WITH Braxton.  These were all question marks.  At least JT has had time to work on timing and he now has time to get his head right and prepare to be THE man instead of maybe the man or the man if THE man goes down.  I know Braxton is an incredible talent, but I think Barrett could be too and from all accounts is a MUCH better passer than when Brax was a freshman.  Lets face it, JT has ALOT more wepons at his disposal than Braxton did.  I don't think he's gonna have to win games by himself like Miller did.  I could be completely wrong, and I'm sick to my stomach that Braxton is hurt, but I don't think the ship has sunk or is even sinking.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth~Mike Tyson

MiltonBuckeye's picture

At the end of the day, it's all about the education you receive and the health of the person.

Go Dogs, Go Bucks

+1 HS
Bags5150's picture

I did however have a few beers to try and get over the news...

Beers

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth~Mike Tyson

+4 HS
AeroBuckeye2001's picture

This makes me feel a little better for Braxton, should this be the worst case scenario for him.

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

+5 HS
ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I dislocated my shoulder once playing football in junior high.  It's weird because that shoulder always seemed a little bit more sensitive to certain things than the other shoulder, and I always wondered if that was from the dislocation.  I didn't think it was likely because I had never perceived a dislocated shoulder as a serious injury that could still live with me almost 15 years later.  Reading through this thread, though, apparently it can.  And it's not really bad at all for me - I can only imagine what it's like for Braxton with surgery and previous injury on top of this most recent location.  I feel for the guy.

Class of 2010.

ColoradoBuck's picture

If he's out for the year and leaves this year, his pro potential is purely as an athlete. If he takes the hypothetical redshirt, comes back and has a successful senior season, he may get his shot as a QB. His decision may come down to how much playing QB at the next level means to him.

I'm still holding out hope that this injury is minor enough for him to be back for Sparty, but I'm not optimistic. Get well soon Brax!

vitaminB's picture

Braxton, take your time.  Make sure you take care of yourself, not for us, but for you.

JT, your time is now.  Keep grinding and make the great state of Ohio proud.

Woody16111's picture

I just woke up from my daily nap at work and thought this was all a bad EA Sports dream.

jamesrbrown322's picture

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

collisionbend's picture

I feel for Braxton. I'm sure Urban & Co. will do the right thing by him and the team, so I can only wish that Braxton heals well and can get on with his career - be it as a football player or not.

The possibility of losing Braxton for the year (or, in the worst-case-scenario, his career), raises a question: shoulder issue notwithstanding, from the team's standpoint, what if Braxton had opted for the NFL this year?

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
INTLBUCK's picture

The more I read these comments, the less concerned I am for us this year and the more I am concerned for Brax's NFL future.  I hope it all turns out well for him. 

SilverState's picture

:-/ 

MikeTheBuckeye's picture

If Braxton uses his medical redshirt for this season, does anyone foresee him returning next year? Or do you think he learned a painful message as to why people skip their senior year to land in the NFL? Unfortunately I think we've seen the last of Miller's heroics in a buckeye uniform.

blocko330's picture

Well he wouldn't need to use a medical redshirt, just a good ole-fashioned one and if he does take it then that means he's coming back.........

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller