Point/Counterpoint: Playing The Game at Season's End

By Michael Citro on July 31, 2014 at 2:45p
Point/Counterpoint: Should Ohio State and Michigan play at night?
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Ohio State and Michigan have been meeting in the final week of the regular season for a long time.

According to the 2014 Ohio State Media Guide, the Buckeyes first played Michigan on Oct. 16, 1897—the team’s third game of the season. The Wolverines drifted around the schedule back in those early years. October. November. Sometimes not at all. Didn’t matter much then. Results were often undesirable anyway.

Not many know that Kenyon was the first opponent to serve as any kind of traditional season ender in the OSU program’s fledgling years. It wasn’t until 1935 that Michigan appeared last on Ohio State’s schedule. But even so, there has been an exceptions since—namely 1942, when the Buckeyes finished against the Iowa Seahawks.

Today, the landscape of Ohio State football looks very different than it has for most of the 125 years of its existence. There are 14 teams in the school’s conference, divided into two seven-team divisions. The league has a postseason championship game. And of course we begin the four-team College Football Playoffs soon (but not soon enough…please hurry, Aug. 30!).

Does the sea change in the importance and length of the college football season serve as a force majeure to sever the longstanding tradition of facing the bitter and hated rivals from That State Up North on the final Saturday of the regular season?

Before you tar and feather me for the mere suggestion, the idea bears a little consideration.

Why The Game shouldn’t move

Traditions make college football special. Ohio State and Michigan have met in the season finale with only one exception for 79 years. That’s a lot of history. Who are we to decide to sweep all of that away?

The Game is arguably (except to us) not only college football’s greatest rivalry, but also the best rivalry in all of sports. It falls at a time of the year around which all of the intense battles take place—the Iron Bowl, Florida vs. Florida State, and the like. Might as well let the biggest of all the traditional clashes stay where it is and save the best for last.

Historically, The Game has largely decided at least a share of the Big Ten title. Keeping it at the end ramps up the intensity, not only for the final game, but also for all of the ones leading up to it. Ohio State and Michigan typically know that they can’t make a mistake during the season and if they do, they have only one opportunity to make up for it at the end of the year.

The matchup only decides one division now, but the stakes are still high. The Game can help settle the B1G East Division. What the winner does afterward is up to them.

Why The Game should move

Passion. Intensity. The Game.
Intense! Now add some nighttime.

The intensity of the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry is a year in the making. It starts at the conclusion of the previous year’s game. The losing team stews and plots revenge while the winners enjoy their bragging rights. The season comes to a crescendo with The Game.  

But might that not be a problem? There are conference goals beyond beating Michigan now. Can players reasonably be expected to reach maximum intensity, battle insanely against their most bitter foes, take the prize, and then somehow regain that level of passion again just a week later at a neutral site? Did it penalize Ohio State last season to experience a slugfest with their enemies from the north and hang on for an emotional win, while Michigan State cruised to a 14-3 win over Minnesota?

Maybe.

In 2006, when No. 1 Ohio State overcame No. 2 Michigan, I wondered how Jim Tressel would get his team to that same level of fury against an unfamiliar foe they were favored to beat. I have no idea how much, if at all, the mindset of the team was affected by overcoming what seemed to be their biggest obstacle to the championship.

I feel like it had to play at least a small part in some players’ minds. It’s possible that the Buckeyes and Wolverines having to get emotionally up for The Game and then immediately follow that with a conference championship game is a benefit to all other Big Ten teams.

Then there’s the spectacle of the game.

The only way to make the atmosphere of The Game even more insane is to hold it at night. There’s no way the two schools or the conference will go for it at the end of November. They’ll point to the weather and talk about how it can be bitterly cold and a safety issue. It’s no more a safety issue than playing at noon at the start of September, but they’ll use it as an excuse anyway.

I can’t be alone in wanting to see the spectacle of The Game at night. We got a little taste of it in 2006 with a contest that finished after sunset, under the lights, and it was amazing. Holding it earlier in the year would allow an 8:00 kickoff and the unbridled insanity of a 100,000+ crowd in full song, with a day’s worth of pent-up emotions spilling out and washing over the stadium. It would be incredible.

Of the reasons to move it, I think the intensity factor is the one that bears the most consideration. It will be interesting to monitor Ohio State and Michigan as they move forward and try to win league titles, to see if they sustain any hangover the following week in the B1G title game. I felt like Ohio State started the game with one last year against Sparty.


Smarter people than me, who draw much larger salaries than I do, will have to weigh these factors and decide whether moving The Game is something that could or should happen. I have a feeling both fan bases would rather leave the tradition alone. As evidence, some people still want noon kickoffs for The Game. As the kids say, SMH.

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MikeLew's picture

This Kenyon alumnus knew that fact ;-).

And I don't want OSU-Michigan to be any other time than noon, the last week of the season. There is something just right about it being a cold-ish, gray day in late November when the Buckeyes and skunkbears square off. Moving it would make it feel off. I feel like there's been already too much chipping away at what makes The Game so special, and I don't want any more to happen to that.

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cinserious's picture

@MIKELEW: Were you around when Kenyon played OSU as the traditional 'final game'? Just kidding!

I agree that the tradition should be upheld because it just feels 'right'. We've grown up with it for so long, it shouldn't change even if everything else around us is, including the Rose Bowl contestants, B1G traditions, etc. 

I am however in favor of getting a little 'taste' of a night game for 'The Game' every now and then like maybe every 5 or 7 years. A home and home night game. Now THAT would be cool as hell, uphold tradition, and generate plenty of excitement every so often.

Life's daily struggle is choosing between saying F--ck-it, or soldiering on with your responsibilities.  

Myc24's picture

The 2006 game kicked-off at 3:30 and was possibly the greatest entry in the greatest rivalry in sports. I'm in favor of leaving it at the end of the season, but always making it a 3:30 or 8:00 kickoff. That would be spectacular. 

"Because I couldn't go for three!"  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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Jabba the Hoke's picture

I love the idea of a night Game, but not at the expense of moving away from the last week. 3:30 works well as a happy medium.

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Myc24's picture

I completely agree. The Game needs to be the final week of the regular season, but I remember how amazing that 3:30 kick was in '06. A lot of that had to do with the implications of the game, #1 and #2, and whatnot. But it was a very special game, and I think playing under the lights on an early November evening would be an excellent addition to the tradition.

"Because I couldn't go for three!"  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

3:30 the last week of the season is indeed the perfect time.  

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gumtape's picture

Wow, remember when Saturday Night Live was funny?

just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan

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Nutbuck1959's picture

Jane, you ignorant slut! LOL

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Idaho Helga's picture

^That's exactly what I thought when I saw that picture.  God, was that funny!

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I still laugh at the time where Jane said 'You always start with Jane you ignorant slut'

Dan's response:  Started with Jane, you illiterate whore!  Loved the Point/Counter Point skit!!!

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Urban Nation Army's picture

Start it at 3:30 or something short of 8pm, sure... But moving the game from its rightful place at the culmination of the regular season:

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

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Crumb's picture

I wouldn't mind if it was at night but it should always be the last one of the year. Always. Because nothing else matters as much and nothing else can compare.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Wilkins78's picture

O/U on "Jane, you ignorant slut." posts? 

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stubbzzz's picture

The Iowa "SEA Hawks"?  What?  That's like being named the Nebraska "Mountains", The Northwestern "Winners", or the Michigan "Positive Contributors To Society".

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stubbzzz's picture

huh… well you don't say...

Jason Gruber's picture

Maybe they should go back to the name. They were pretty successful back in the day. 

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Michael Citro's picture

IIRC, Iowa was separate from the Iowa Pre-Flight Seahawks. Two different teams.

AngryWoody's picture

Well you learn something new every day.

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osupolo's picture

That's why I didn't click on the link,  I'm already at my quota for the day.

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RCRoy45's picture

For personal reasons I would prefer the game moved.. at least away from Thanksgiving Weekend.  It is a very difficult event to schedule with the larger family... and creates a ton of tension because it is the Holiday weekend.  If it were the weekend before Thanksgiving I think that would be perfect and give a bye week before the B1G Title game..

I also really feel that the students miss out with the game being consistently on Thanksgiving weekend.  It seems as if they are not getting the true experience of that week since everyone bugs out on Wednesday of that week.

“And in the night of death, hope sees a star and listening love hears the rustle of a wing.”

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Michael Citro's picture

I also really feel that the students miss out with the game being consistently on Thanksgiving weekend.  It seems as if they are not getting the true experience of that week since everyone bugs out on Wednesday of that week.

Interesting point I hadn't considered.

daveyt11's picture

Ironically, the reason (i believe) they moved to after thanksgiving was because we ended too early and the Big10 was said "to be waiting around while the real conferences played into december" I'm paraphrasing of course, but now we have the title game like you said, put it back to before thanksgiving and have a bye week.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

@ Michael Citro - I think you & I may be of a similar age (55 here). I've really enjoyed your articles. Thanks for the work you put in!   I have said for a while that - 1. The Game should be moved back to the week before Thanksgiving to give the students the best chance of seeing The Game and also their families.  2. Then a  bye week on Thanksgiving weekend will help everyone to prepare for the B1G Championship game.  3. If The Game stays on Thanksgiving weekend, the B1G Championship game needs moved back a week so it's 2 weeks after OSU-UM. 4. The B1G should allow full throttle scimmages among any B1G teams (preferably those that have not played each other during the season), 1 - 2 weeks after the B1G Championship game to help them prepare for any bowl games ( if we are more successful in the bowl games it helps the perception of the conference & therefore OSU). 5. I don't have a strong feeling for noon or 3:30 kickoff for The Game, but THE GAME MUST FOREVER AND ALWAYS BE THE LAST REGULAR SEASON GAME!

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mr.green's picture

Good points all. As for the byes,  The B1G could just give OSU, m*chigan,  MSU, PSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minn and Iowa all byes that week. (And could rotate other teams in if they look like championship contenders.) that way they still have a few games for TV contracts after thanksgiving. 

BURGEYE's picture

The only practical solution is to move Thanksgiving to a more reasonable weekend.

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osupolo's picture

Darn Thanksgiving getting in the way of football.  What were the Pilgrims and Indians thinking.

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Go1Bucks's picture

Should have never moved from the prior weekend

Go Bucks!

hetuck's picture

You cannot discount safety. There is a difference between September and the end of November. Rain/sleet in daytime is more apt to stay wet. After dark the temperature drops. Black ice is real. Consider the number of OSU fans that drive 2+ hours to the game & you are taking on unneeded risk.  

I'll defer to M Man, but I think the reason they haven't embraced night games like OSU is they have horrible ingress/egress. They don't want to compound that with late November weather. 

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Michael Citro's picture

I think extreme heat in the early part of the season for noon games has been a bigger issue than cold has been. You can never predict snow that far in advance, of course, but it can just as easily snow for a day game. 

hetuck's picture

All the more reason for early season night games, I agree. But late November early morning is more dangerous than late afternoon because of the inescapable dip in temperature. You don't need snow; moisture of any type will suddenly freeze. 

For those saying the NFL plays late season night games, remember those are primarily urban crowds. OSU attracts from a much larger geographic range. 

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BroJim's picture

I season my simple food with hunger

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Denny's picture

"I'm a pretty strong traditionalist, more or less. So I'd prefer the game not be moved. Also, I prefer The Game to be played with leather helmets and in that slightly-sunken pit at 17th and High St."

Taquitos.

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kevdale86's picture

It's the one game I don't mind being at noon. I would hate waiting all day for it to start. Plus, as it's been in recent years, the family and I can go out for a nice celebratory dinner afterwards.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I didn't find the reasons for moving it the least bit compelling.  They play night games in the midwest in Nov/Dec in the NFL.  Why can't this be done in CFB?  Even if you are right about the intensity required for this game, I want the most intense game played in preparation for bigger prizes--pushes the team to be at it's best when it matters most.  What makes championship teams (conference or national) special is that they are able to keep rising to the challenge--as much as I loved last year's team, they were not able to to this.  The 2002 team did (winning 13 total) and played a tough gritty UM game to end the regular season, then got up for Miami a month or so later, the best team on their schedule.  No, nice try, but I'm not buying it (hell, i won't even rent it).

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allinosu's picture

Big difference between a month and a week. MSU did jump to big lead before we got going which is typical of a letdown. I feel it does have an impact an will cost us from time to time but we must keep the fans happy.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I also read that Braxton played with a torn muscle in his shoulder that game.  That might have had something to do with it.  Towards the end of the season, our passing game had been getting consistently worse, and the defensive confusion/schemes was a problem all year.  Not that I want to revisit this, but even with all of that., with some better play calling on that last drive, we still maybe win that game.  I really don't think it was an intensity problem, but a play calling/execution problem.  JMO...

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allinosu's picture

If that were the case we would not have made a comeback but we finally got going. These sort of things happen in BB also after a huge emotional game. I watched a science show about a year ago that proved it was a real thing and happens on different scales for up to a couple of weeks. All I was saying was it will have an impact from time to time and it only show requiring peak performance. With all the hupla of the Michigan week and a tight hard fought game such as last year it could have been a problem. It's not an excuse but something that does happen. I thought Braxton's shoulder wasn't a problem until Clemson.

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Since Michigan wins lots of September Heisman's and September Championships, maybe moving it to the last Saturday in September would give them a better chance at actually winning?  Plus, after we crush them 4/5 games into the season, it really gives them nothing to play the rest of the season for, so we can mock their futility for like 4 months!

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BucksfanXC's picture

I plan around it. So if they move The Game, I'll move my traditions. Thanksgiving weekend has made it harder for me to move things around. I'd say I want it off Thanksgiving weekend more than I want it to be the last game of the season, so I'd be fine with it.

Most importantly, I'd want a set date every year though, third Saturday in November used to be a regularly scheduled date. I'd like to go back to that.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

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fear_the_nut70's picture

See that is funny, because The Game has become part of my thanksgiving.  I can't imagine stuffing my bird without watching us stuff Michigan.

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roamingbuckeye's picture

The only move I would accept would be back to the weekend before Thanksgiving.  Besides just being better timing for Michigan week festivities, non-holiday gameday plans, and students actually being on campus/able to go, I think it would help a lot with subduing the intensity of back-to-back spotlight games for the players.  The extra week may have made the difference between a B1G championship last year.  I dont care what time of day it is played, it will always be the biggest event of the day, at any hour.

(although, full disclosure - as an alum I do enjoy the fact that being the Sat after thanksgiving means there are even more student tickets on the secondary market and its the one game I'm now virtually guaranteed to be back in town for, since my family Thanksgiving always happens in either Ohio or Ann Arbor. But even still, though the current set up makes it easier for me personally to get to the Game, I would still prefer it to be one week earlier, followed by a by week.)

"I just cant wait to play football." -UFM

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Don't fucking move it.

Class of 2010.

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BDobina's picture

One argument I want to bring up regarding moving the date of the game is I believe it is MUCH easier to suffer from a hang over if it was in the middle of the year. Imagine how much of a hang over we would experience if the following game were against someone like Illinois. Could you imagine the repercussions if we would lose a game like that in the beginning of November? We wouldn't have to worry about getting psyched for championship weekend.

I also personally like it being played during the day and would like to see it back to being a noon game again. Like you said it IS the biggest rivalry in all of sports. So we should play it at noon like it used to be and set an example of tradition. If TV doesn't like that o well because its not like they wont air it.

Just my thoughts.

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45OH4IO's picture

I don't think I will have a better "The Game" Day than last year. Watching that last Gardner pick and then following it up with the Auburn Kick 6 was about as happy about football as I have been in awhile. Not even OSU's terrible pass defense could bring me down that day!

teddyballgame's picture

It should stay where it is

Hovenaut's picture

Different kickoff times don't bother me. I don't prefer nooners, but I can work with them if needed.

One of the great things about college football is tradition. Ohio State is rich with it, and so is The Game.

Don't mess with tradition. Don't move the game.
 

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buckeyestu's picture

Last game of the season, noon start. Why mess with this one tradition?

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Michael Citro's picture

I'm going to have to research start times one day because I'm pretty sure this notion of noon being a tradition is overblown.

Jason Priestas's picture

It is. As recently as 2006, the standard for The Game, kickoff was 3:30 p.m. (3:44 p.m. was the actual time of kickoff after the TV pleasantries).

BucksfanXC's picture

No, I want the research. Everyone replies with this. It's one example! Someone says, "It's always at noon." Some replies, "I don't know why you think that because it wasn't this one time in 2006." That was a perfect storm that year that made the TV people move it to 3:30. I can't remember any other time in my (admittedly short - 30 yrs) lifetime that it wasn't noon. Maybe it wasn't noon in the 80s and early 90s back when I can't remember. Someone please look this up. I can't find anything in my 10min of Google searching

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Michael Citro's picture

I don't have a link to show you, just my admittedly fuzzy memory, but I believe The Game broadcasts began at 1 pm for the entire run of the Ten Year War. Bo Schembechler didn't like the late afternoon games and had a saying that "toe meets leather at 1:14 exactly." That would be a weird thing for him to say for a noon start time.

If I recall correctly, college football used to use the same time slots the NFL uses today. 

BucksfanXC's picture

My Googling did turn up the phrase "It's traditionally been a noon or 1pm kickoff" which, Ok, technically it's not noon, but 1pm is picking nits IMHO. That seems more along the lines of games just weren't broadcast at noon. Like now we have set kickoff time slots of noon, 330 and 8. It used to be shifted one hour pre-cable TV. I'm not really upset about it, I'm now just curious. I like to be more informed. In my head, the traditional argument is less about it being exactly the same time every year the toe must meet the leather and more about, it was mid-afternoon-ish where the brisk November morning is still hanging around at kick-off and it's over before dinner. But they can kick-off whenever they want, I'll still watch it.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

H2opolo18's picture

See the point of all the reasons for the time of day.  Another factor is that tOSU and M[Mark May]igan always recruit well.  Playing the last game of the season lets all those freshman really become sophomores because they've had the whole season to play/mature.  To me, that adds an element of positive to the Game.  I get the fact that there are sometimes key players injured, but see more plusses in giving the newbies added experience to the crescendo of the culmination of the season.  Go Bucks

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TossTrap's picture

I guess I am practically alone here but I care more for what is best for the team and their chances for a National Championship.

Why does anyone want to play the greatest rivalry game in sports potentially (very often) right before a B1G championship game and two other playoff games against the best the country has to offer? The players in the GAME themselves have said that everything else pales in comparison. To a man they speak of how emotionally and physically spent they are afterwards. Wayne Woodrow always commented on how difficult it was to get the guys up for more that a couple of games, and that bowl games were often anti-climatic.

To hell with tradition I want my Buckeyes up where they belong, at the top of the college football world, and as often as possible. Do whatever helps them achieve it!

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RKilbane20's picture

If they move this game for the sole purpose of money and TV rating I will be mad.  Leave it at the end of the season.  I've got seasons tickets this year and really hoping for another 3:30 or later game.

Class of '14 & '16

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buckeyepastor's picture

I agree that it's a challenge and a burden to play THE GAME and then potentially have to play in the conference championship game.  It does cause something of a disadvantage.   But from all I've read and heard and seen of the rivalry in my lifetime, moving it into the earlier part of the fall would leave both teams with the same disadvantage.   Most players from previous years have said that even with a bye week following the game (2 weeks to heal up and prepare for the next opponent), it would be difficult.   

I like the idea of it being at 3:30.   It would mean I really need to pace myself with drinking on that day, but I can work on that.    The one thing I like about the noon start (11:00 in central Nebraska) is that I don't have time to get overly inebriated.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

jhipbuck's picture

I love the tradition of college football but I'm a Buckeye before tradition.  Its clear that its better for the Buckeyes to play the game earlier in the season (probably a night game).  Its not good for Ohio State to play "the game" and then play the conference championship game the next week.

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Poison nuts's picture

Last game. 3:30 start.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

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AtlBuc's picture

Move the game up a week where it used to be and use Thanksgiving weekend as the 2nd bye week of the season.  Who needs a bye in September anyway?

This solves several issues:

  1. Students get Michigan Week back
  2. I get my Thanksgiving Holiday traveling back
  3. Provides a week off before the championship game

Who needs a bye in September and October?  Doesnt make sense.

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THEOSUfan's picture

I live with Amish people all around me.  When you ask them why they do this thing, or don't do that thing, the most common answer is "Because that's the way it's always been." - which doesn't pass any critical thinking tests.

Traditions are important, but sometimes we miss the most important thing.  In terms of Ohio State vs. scUM, the important thing is that they are scUM and we are Ohio State.  I don't care if they play in March at 2 AM, there will be a fierce contest because it is Ohio State and scUM.

So, I can see an early-mid October meeting in the 'Shoe or the Big House at 8 PM in primetime - and I don't think we would lose a thing - except for the traditional date of the meeting.  Because the essence of the rivalry is the schools themselves, it would be what all OSU-scUM games are, but it would be something that every CFB fan in the country would have to tune in to see.

Sign me up.

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RedsBuckeyeBoy's picture

If The Game kicked off under a dome at the bottom of the ocean at 2:38AM on a Tuesday in August, I'd make sure I was able to watch it. Just schedule it and be sure to publish the schedule. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

I'm a firm believer that UM\OSU is the greatest rivalry in all of sports, despite Michigan's less than stellar performance as of late. Sure I'm biased. I guess I like the idea of it being at the end of the year because it creates the opportunity for the biggest game of the year to be the last. Its a romanticized notion in sports-let it all come down to one game. As many times as bigger and better things has awaited the winner of that game, it doesn't always happen. With that said, Miami\FSU had some pretty vicious, intense rivalry games that took place mid season, The Red River Shootout doesn't seem to lose any heat despite the fact that its participants play another 8 games or so after its conclusion. I'll admit, I'm torn because I'm biased. Michigan\OSU in the cold, end of fall, for the whole bag of marbles feels familiar but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed if there are good reasons behind it.

I do have to say, my personal favorite though is this beut. "It’s no more a safety issue than playing at noon at the start of September, but they’ll use it as an excuse anyway". Sort of hits along the same lines that football can be made safer with better equipment or different rules-it can't. Every snap of every game is as dangerous as every snap before or after it. Thank you for saying this.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

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BuckeyeRef's picture

Since all the other power conferences in the country have basically thrown long-held traditions out the window, in the best interests of the conference, I don't mind OSU-UM game being played in late September or October and at night. So many "traditional rivalries" have gone the way of the rotary phone, the game being the 12th game on the schedule doesn't matter to me anymore. But, OSU should play Michigan EVERY year.

I do believe OSU had a hard time getting up for the B1G championship game vs MSU after an emotionally draining 1 point game in Ann Arbor last year and it cost them a chance to play in the BCS Championship game.

Go Bucks!!!!

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Bucksfan's picture

To that I'd say it was an n=1, and you basically never saw Alabama or Auburn lose the SEC championship after the Iron Bowl (except Alabama's loss to UF in 2008).  Ohio State's crap defensive secondary (110th in the country, or something) made Connor Cook look like Peyton Manning, and THAT is why Ohio State lost that game...it had nothing to do with Michigan.  Unless you count all of the Michigan game tape that Ohio State's defense provided Michigan State and Clemson showing how it can be easily beaten.

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FUqUespin's picture

Noon.  Last game of the season.

Bucksfan's picture

Forget about it moving.  Even when they were in different divisions the last couple of years, which is really the only scenario when you'd consider a move, Jim Delany was inundated with emails from both sides saying "if you move the game, I'm going to burn your house down and grill your dog over its smouldering ashes."  As much as things have changed in the B1G over the last 5 years, the notion that the Game would be moved probably caused the most uproar by a long mile.

It's just too important to both communities that the regular season end with Ohio State versus Michigan.  To anyone who says winning the national championship has anything to do with when that game is played, I would tell them to prove it with examples.  Obviously it doesn't hurt Alabama/Auburn's chances with the Iron Bowl played in the last week (4 national titles, 1 loss), and it doesn't necessarily help Oklahoma's or Texas's chances with the Red River Shootout held in October (1 BCS title each, 3 losses between them).

Of all the things sacred in college football, Ohio State vs. Michigan is the last thing you'd fuck with.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I love The Game during Thanksgiving weekend now!  We leave Toronto and head to Columbus to hang out with my brother and family for awesome food, then group to scream at the TV at the local watering hole when the game is at AA (whore) or when it is in Columbus, head to the Shoe and watch it live!  Life is good, eh!

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bleedscarlet's picture

I'm smellin' what you're sellin'... they should at least try it on one time and see how it fits.

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

Zaphod Beeblebrox's picture

If it ain't broke don't fix it. No reason to move The Game.

CGroverL's picture

I'm 100% against any change in the date or start time of THE GAME. However... it is now 4:53 a.m. and my average comment runs around 800 words and 4 paragraphs, minimum. I'm a 41 year old Buckeye fan that knew that the BCS, its 2 predecessors and now the playoff that all of you have been crying to get will ultimately be things that take Ohio State's best teams in the nation out of National Championship Games much more than a bid to the Rose Bowl would...and as much as the pollsters and the likes of them love Stanford and Oregon these days (now they are even adding UCLA into that Mix), my thoughts seem more correct by the day. The BCS/NCAA/ESPN ultimately made billions off of their BCS and will make 5 times that much with this new playoff system.

I will stop there even though I have at least 5 times more to say because I know that you all think that a playoff system is the way to go. There is one problem though...the winner of the playoff system in no way shape or form is necessarily the true best team in the country at all. As good as a playoff system could be, when is comes to team parity alone, almost any top 20 team has a decent chance of winning 2 playoff games that will be essentially VOTED ON to get into the playoffs. We should just go back to what we had before the Bowl Alliance, Bowl Coalition, or whichever one came first.

Does it really matter? M*ch*gan still has not won a full national title since what???? 1948? I'd rather have a chance at 2 national champions that were voted on (even 3 if it makes more people happy) before we throw in a playoff that almost takes the true National Champion out of the race more often than not....one win over a team does not make a team a national title winner. Florida State beat Florida only to see Florida get another chance against Florida State and win the title in 1996. See...voting the best teams is not the worst things in the world, but when you let teams (like Alabama a few years ago) get 2 shots at the team that is probably the best team in the nation, more often than not, if both teams are in the elite category, they will split the games...this will happen...and happen even more with this playoff......and if you don't believe me, do you really think that our beloved Buckeyes would lose twice in the same season to the same team? Buckeye Nation, Buckeye players, and Buckeye coaches know that beating Ohio State twice in the same season is nearly impossible.

I'll shut up now...I should have written my 800 words...none of you "playoff people" would have listened anyway though.

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!