Can the 'Shoe Surpass the Big House for the 2014 Attendance Crown?

By Michael Citro on July 13, 2014 at 8:00a
Ohio State's going to make a run at Michigan's national attendance record this year, aren't they?
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Could the Horseshoe on the banks of the Olentangy River become the “Bigger House” in 2014?

David Briggs of the Toledo Blade brought up the question recently in this piece and it’s certainly not out of the question.

Briggs writes:

Ohio State has had no trouble persuading undergrads that the spectacle inside the stadium is better than their buddy’s 60-inch high-definition television and beer-furnished refrigerator. With an unprecedented three home night games and the Buckeyes expected to contend for a national title, OSU sold ticket packages to 29,614 students — 16,553 who paid $252 for all seven home dates, 13,061 who will attend only the Big Ten games.

Michigan, meanwhile, expects to sell 12,000 to 13,000 student season tickets, said UM associate athletic director David Ablauf, down from about 21,000 in 2012 and 19,000 last season.

Michigan Stadium’s capacity is listed at 109,901 and the Wolverines led the nation with an average attendance of 111,592 last year.  Ohio Stadium’s capacity is 104,944 after adding more than 2,500 seats this summer. The Buckeyes drew an average of 104,933 last season with a less-than-stellar home schedule. 

Ohio State hosted Wisconsin, Iowa and a down Penn State squad in 2013, along with such giant names as Buffalo, San Diego State, Florida A&M and Indiana.

Michigan will have a similarly ugly home slate in 2014, facing Appalachian State, Miami (OH), Utah, Minnesota, Penn State, Indiana, and Maryland. All of its rivalry games (Ohio State, Michigan State and Notre Dame) are away from home.

It's hard to argue with kids staying home to watch some of those games on the tube.

The Michigan experience.
Gaps are growing in the Michigan Stadium stands.

Ohio State increased student ticket sales this year, while Michigan went the other way. In fact, Michigan’s non-student ticket sales are also down. This could be the year the Buckeyes pass the Wolverines for the attendance crown.

It's hard to imagine Michigan averaging fewer than 107,000—around the number Ohio State may hit—unless the season starts disastrously in Ann Arbor. And they've had no bigger home disaster in the modern era than a home loss to Appalachian State, which happens to also be this year's opener.

Both schools have been raising ticket prices in recent years.

So why are Michigan students staying away in droves (an estimated 7,000-8,000 fewer student tickets were sold this year than in 2012 and 5,000-6,000 fewer than last year) while Ohio State has avoided the nationwide drop in student sales? John U. Bacon discussed it last month.

Bacon’s article paints Michigan AD Dave Brandon as being out of touch, and it’s hard to argue with him.

After the 2013 Notre Dame game, Brandon said, “You’re a 17-18 year old kid watching the largest crowd in the history of college football with airplanes flying over and Beyonce introducing your halftime show? That’s a pretty powerful message about what Michigan is all about, and that’s our job to send that message.”

Is that really what Michigan is all about?  Fly-overs, blaring rock music, and Beyonce?  Beyonce is to Michigan football what Bo Schembechler is to — well, Beyonce.  No, Michigan is all about lifelong fans who’ve been coming together for decades to leave a bit of the modern world behind – and the incessant marketing that comes with it – and share an authentic experience fueled by the passion of the team, the band and the students.  That’s it.

In his speeches, Brandon often mentions he was the CEO of three Fortune 500 companies.  Then why doesn’t he know his customers, and what they want?

“We know who our competitor is. Your 60-inch, high-definition TV,” says Brandon.

If that’s really the reason, I guess they either don’t sell those in Columbus or people just don’t like watching them as much as they do up north.

Brandon’s moves and the declining value of Michigan football as an on-field product since Rich Rodriguez’s first season (with a one-year exception of Brady Hoke’s first season) have conspired to chase away the Wolverines’ paying customers. Brandon is fond of reminding us that Michigan football is a brand but he seems more interested in data capture than actual sales.

It wouldn’t take much to tilt the scales in Ohio State’s favor. If the Buckeyes max out their attendance with a decent home schedule, which includes multiple night games and one of the country’s tougher non-conference slates, and Michigan’s attendance continues to slide, Ohio State’s attendance could surpass the Big House—especially if the Wolverines struggle on the field.

In recent years, Michigan’s only real bragging rights in college football’s greatest rivalry center on the size of its crowds. Should Ohio State capture the attendance crown in addition to continuing to get the better of the Wolverines in the on-field battles, it would serve as the final insult and might spell the end of the Hoke era up north.

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BUCKSOMIES's picture

We can do it and I think we will do it.

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Killer nuts's picture

I would love for this to happen. Just another insult to fire at those folks across the northern border

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Crumb's picture

I saw we crush them! We could be in a spitting contest with that state up north and I'd still want to waste them.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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sharks's picture

Will never happen until the Shoe seats as many as the Big House.

Many Cleveland Indians fans know that Boston surpassed our record for consecutive home sellouts, and they did it by basically foisting free tickets on anyone who couldn't run away fast enough. Don't think for a minute that Michigan wouldn't do the same; they've just relinquished the winning pct. crown to Notre Dame, I'm sure they'll hold on to anything they can.

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FROMTHE18's picture

I like expanding the stadium the way they have done it, as it hasn't taken too much away from the horseshoe shape, but this will inevitably lead to some games where the stands have more empty seats (unless they lower ticket prices drastically for a game against say, Florida A&M). Also, attendance size doesn't matter if the fans are loud the entire game. Autzen Stadium is a prime example.  

nfischer's picture

Better the enemy you know than the one you don't. (The idea of Jim Harbaugh even toying with coaching at his Alma Mater scares me a wee bit).

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M Man's picture

So the picture of Michigan Stadium in the OP is before the game started (the band is on the field).  Brandon felt that students arriving late was a problem.  (I didn't disagree.  It's worse, in Madison.)  As I have mentioned before, Michigan makes student tickets available to every student who wants one.  The result, it seems, was a lot of marginally-interested students buying tickets and then being, uh, casual, about how they used those tickets.  (So much for tickets being priced too high for students.  Maybe do something about Pell grants.)

Here's another photo.  Same idea.  Again, a couple of minutes before a supposed-to-be-cupcake game (Akron).  The students -- the only group in the Stadium who sit in a "general admission" scheme intended to encourage them to get there early (didn't work) -- are late.  The rest of the sold-out stadium, including a new-for-2013 public seating section above the endzone student seats, is filled.

Behold:

It is, to a large extent, a student-only problem at Michigan and it might just get solved by cutting down on the number of student tickets (done) and abandoning the student "general admission" scheme (also done, mostly).

The rest of the 112,000 or so patrons have been pretty faithful attendees.  We're not happy about the price of our seat licenses (mine is $2400 per year, every year), and StubHub has shown our loyalty to Michigan is trending well above market prices.

If OSU does beat Michigan in total home attendance in 2014, enjoy it.  It will last exactly one year, until Michigan breaks another record in 2015 with both MSU and OSU at home.

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cbusbuckeye's picture

OSU student here. Any OSU student who wants season tickets also has access to them, at very similar (maybe even higher, didn't check) prices as scUM, and Ohio State, as stated, will sell twice as many this year. Something is fundamentally wrong in AA. I have been to the last two OSU-Mich games in AA, sat with  U of M undergrad friends in the student section on each occasion and can say without a doubt that last years atmosphere was about half as intense as the 2011 game. Brandon sold out tradition for bells and whistles and this is the result, hiring a coach of the caliber of a program like Michigan might be a good idea as well. As a guy who has three HDTVs in my apartment living room I can tell you that they are not the competition, there's no way in hell Im missing a down of OSU football played in the horseshoe this season, you gotta be there. 

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NatiBuck's picture

I agree with this 100% as someone who is also a student I don't think there is very much competition between watching the game at The Shoe and watching the game at home on TV. There have been so many articles on here recently about how we have an attendance problem or that an attendance problem is imminent and frankly I just disagree we sold more student tickets this year than we've ever sold I haven't seen data on non student tickets but I'm sure we sold out every game. The problem with attendance that other schools is having is a culture problem that exists for students, one that ohio State is not having and one that I don't see them having. the hype machine that is attached to OSU football is out of control and not in a bad way. if you walk from Summit Street to high street on game day you're going to walk past at least 30 pregame house parties, when you go to classes on Friday students and professors are all talking about the game the next day it is nearly impossible to not be excited for football as a student. if you tell people you aren't going to a game or you don't care about football people look at you like you just smacked them with your third arm. people at Ohio State love their football and I see it staying that way for the foreseeable future. At the end of the day the culture at Ohio State is football

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CC's picture

I think people here are rearing to non student tickets when discussing non sellouts.  The prices have gone up pretty dramatically in the last few years.  There is a tipping point where games get to expensive to sell out and I think we're close to it.

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OvalBeachBum's picture

Also agree 100%, as I am also a student and NEVER see an issue with motivating people to go to games.  It is most definitely a culture issue that we don't struggle with.  A couple of guys from my fraternity and I went to the Illinois game this past year, and I was definitely surprised by the Illinois student body's lack of interest in the game.  We hung out with Illinois guys at the bar in the morning, and when we started to leave for the game, they asked where we were going; NONE of them go.  On top of that, when we got back, they asked who won, they didn't even watch the game.  Now I understand that were talking about scUM here, not Illinois, but I still think it is an indicator that shows that our student don't skip out when it counts.

"In the words of the late great Colonel Sanders, I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Ricky Bobby

NuttyBuckeye's picture

Amen!  I agree with you students, there is NOTHING BETTER than being in The 'Shoe for a game, I don't care WHO it is against.  Being able to witness our Scarlet and Gray clad Buckeyes doing battle on the gridiron in person is second to no other experience in the world... except for witnessing the birth of your child.

Marc Pocock (a.k.a NuttyBuckeye)

You can take the man out of Ohio, but you cannot take the Ohio out of the man. Go Bucks!!

M Man's picture

Brandon sold out tradition for bells and whistles...

I do not understand this.  John U. Bacon, a friend of mine, says much the same and I don't quite understand it from him either.

Actually, I do understand John's gripes -- he is a deep traditionalist as I am.  And John simply makes one of the very best points about Michigan season football tickets.  It is this: season tickets in Michigan Stadium used to be the best deal in sports in the entire region, and perhaps the entire midwest.  (Better and more attractive than MSU, the Detroit Tigers, the Detroit Red Wings, the Pistons, the Lions... you name it.  Including championship years for many of those teams.)  It used to be that if you had season tickets at Michigan, you could sell individual tickets for more than you paid, almost without exception.  Now, with increased ticket prices and seat license fees, that is no longer true.  Season ticket holders are no longer getting a bargain for their loyalty; they are subsidizing the Athletic Department.

Now back to the block quote.  Aesthetically, Michigan Stadium is the least commercialized big venue in all of sports, that I can think of.  Less commercial than Ohio Stadium, without a doubt.  Less commercial than the All-England Tennis Club at Wimbledon time, and maybe even less so than Augusta National Golf Club at Masters' time.  We have no advertising inside the main stadium.  I really don't know how any abandonment of any "tradition" would serve as an excuse for the students' lousy attendance.

As I've reported before, I'll be at about six Michigan home games this year and about three games at Ohio Stadium.  OSU students are -- by far -- the best and most energetic fans in the Conference.  Is it because you've got the most successful program on the field?  Maybe.  But I doubt it.  I think it really has to do with the state of Ohio's football religion and the fact that OSU is the clear dominant one-and-only in the state.  And with a big undergraduate student body, motivated by a successful team and a great game-day atmosphere, OSU has everything going for it.  There's no good excuse for the Michigan students.  At least none in my view.

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buckeyedude's picture

Good points MMan. One thing I'd like to add, even though it may not have an effect on student ticket sales: Growing up in Toledo, I've had family and friends that had UM season tickets and I've been to a LOT of games in AA. I've also been to a lot of OSU games, and I think that tailgating at OSU is much better. After the game, there is more to do around the campus with all of the bars, than at UM.

Having said that, I'm not really into this "who's is bigger" pissing contest. If UM's average attendance drops to 107,000, doesn't the possibility exist that PSU and Tennessee could pass UM's attendance average, as well?

All I care about is the product on the field. Winning takes care of everything. But, I used to go to 2-3 games/year. Now, with ticket prices starting at $150 on StubHub, I'm at my limit and will probably only go to one, if I go at all. I'm definitely not going to pay $150 anymore for games at 12 noon in August when the temperature is 95* and 95% humidity, like I have in the past.

 

 

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M Man's picture

I happen to think that tailgating at Michigan is pretty great.  The Blue Lot is the best single tailgating spot in the Conference on a game day.  It's just not big enough.  The Michigan Golf Course is great.  But it is closed on hard-rain days.

So having said both of those things, I say -- as I have many other times -- the game-day atmosphere at Ohio State, all things considered, is the best in the Conference.  You've got so much land around the 'Shoe; you've got the Lane Avenue retailers, and the Varsity Club nearby; you've got good parking, and the Blackwell close by.  You've got St. John Arena (at least for one more season) for Skull Session.  You've got fans who are second to none.  An easy walk, for students to Ohio Stadium.

Michigan needs more parking, some better parking, and much more attractive space for tailgating.  And I don't see it happening.  The Ann Arborist solution is to have solar-powered busses made of recycled soybeans and riding on natural hemp tires ferry fans in from parking lots in Ypsilanti.

Like I say, anybody who wants to say that theirs is bigger than ours can live it up for a year.  Our 2015 home schedule will make up for it.

And you are of course correct; winning takes care of almost anything.

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yrro's picture

e Ann Arborist solution is to have solar-powered busses made of recycled soybeans and riding on natural hemp tires ferry fans in from parking lots in Ypsilanti.

I've been laughing so hard at how the "new" solution to this at OSU is a bunch of college-student-powered rickshaws. Hey, I guess the liberal arts majors have to do something when they graduate :/

One thing that surprised me about Michigan parking... gameday parking at OSU is apparently a very efficient market. Every parking space is pretty much the same price - $15. A few with a longer walk are $10.

In Ann Arbor, it's all over the place! You could pay $30 in one guy's yard and $10 for a spot closer than that. It felt so strange to me how things hadn't really settled on the market rate.

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OvalBeachBum's picture

M Man you make some very solid points, and I think we are in agreement even if we aren't using the same words.  Yes, Ohio State being successful most definitely helps our overall student attendance, but on the other side of the token, I was a freshman for our 6-7 campaign, which was possibly our worst team in about 50 years, and while the enthusiasm is definitely better now, the enthusiasm was still there then as well.  I really do think the fact that Ohio State football has such a monopoly on Football in the entire area, and that it is followed religiously by nearly everyone feeds into the lore that is Ohio State Football.  Im sure this is the case as well (at least to an extent) for UM, but here recently it just isn't showing.

"In the words of the late great Colonel Sanders, I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Ricky Bobby

M Man's picture

So here is a story that I think is illustrative.  I have been to the summer concerts in your big new park in downtown Columbus with the CBus Pops Orchestra and TBDBITL.  The shows were wonderful.  Celebrations of the city, the state and the nation.  Everybody on the same page.  The musicianship was superb; the atmosphere completely fantastic.

I turned to my dear friend (an Ohioan, an OSU undergrad degree holder, and now a Fisher faculty member) and said, "We could never do this in Michigan.  If the Michigan Marching Band joined the Detroit Symphony Orchestra for an outdoor concert (and they should, on your model), half the audience would adore it.  More than half, actually.  And a sizable minority would LOATHE it.  It's a Sparty thing.  You have no equivalent."  I then added (with a bit of a growl); "Fritz Crisler was right; we should never have let them in."

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Knarcisi's picture

Michigan's way to seating capacity:  Dig a hole in the ground and put in 10" wide seats. Anyone that's been there will tell you it's not any bigger, just more cramped. 

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M Man's picture

This is objectively, indisputably wrong.

When Michigan renovated the Stadium in 2009-10, the entire bowl was stripped out, new bleacher seats installed, with all-new numbering.  The seats were widened.  And just think what it takes to do that; I will tell you.  For about three years prior to the renovation, Michigan "banked" every non-renewed season ticket.  It reached the crescendo in the 2009 game, when all of those "banked" tickets were being sold by the Michigan Athletic Department on a yearly or single-game basis.  That is the one, sole reason for the sea of scarlet in Michigan Stadium in 2009.  I knew it would never ever happen again, and it hasn't.

So with the banked tickets, Michigan could then essentially cancel those seats out and repaint the seat numbers -- wider -- with minimal reshuffling and inconvenience to the remaining/existing season ticket holders.

And how did Michigan Stadium retain its overall seating capacity?  It was of course with the two new flanking concourses.  Had we not renovated the main bowl -- wider aisles and wider seat numbering -- the new seating capacity would have been higher.  The Michigan Stadium renovation has been a model of good design and minimal interruption in the use of the Stadium.  My one and only gripe is that the new mens' bathrooms went to a 'green' zero-water usage design which sucks.  Political correctness meets practicality, and practicality loses to the Board of Regents and the architectural consultants. 

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Knarcisi's picture

M Man, you have to be a defense attorney. 

Deadly Nuts's picture

I'm pretty sure he is. I think he mentioned it back in the Brendan Gibbons thread a few months ago.

LEBRON

M Man's picture

Yes.  Civil (not criminal) side.

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FitzBuck's picture

Damn it M Man.  I want to poke holes in your explanations but they are solid as usual.  I will say Brandon is upsetting a lot of UM fans I talk to with the dynamic seat prices.  Not that the idea is wrong but as you stated after paying for the PSL you are getting 0 value for being a loyal season ticket holder.  His "stump speech" is also driving people away.  He has been quoted as saying why should people profit on the secondary market instead of the university.  The end result is going to be less season ticket holders and more individual game sales which would allow more rival fan bases to threaten home field advantage.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

M Man's picture

I don 't mind it a bit if Brandon wants to run the dynamic pricing scheme.  Doesn't bother me one bit.  Doesn't affect me.

The real marketplace is StubHub, in-season.  Those are the real prices.  And they should be embarrassing to Brandon.  The rest is just make-believe.

Knarcisi's picture

Cool M Man, just remember you're not paid by the hour in here. 

Nutbuck1959's picture

Hope you are correct,M. Not planning on going to a game anytime soon, but the last time I was there, it was knees in my back, my knees in someone else's back (I am 6'1"), and wedge seating for my bottom. Been that  way every time (4 or 5) I have been in that stadium.

M Man's picture

I am going to bring a tape measure and my iPhone to games in Michigan Stadium and Ohio Stadium this year.  I'll measure, and take a picture.

Knarcisi's picture

Something tells me, you will. You'll argue the pulp out of anything. 

And you're taking this rivalry a little far ... Coming to the games measuring things. 

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Qujo's picture

Went to an OSU/ um game in AA in 90's when Um beat us when we were number one. My brother scored tickets and we drove up. When we go to our seats they were all filled. So we asked the people to move because they were our seats and one fat tall dude told us to STFU and that it was his mom we were trying to move out of our seats. We asked an usher to help sort it out and he just ignored the situation. There were at least 5-6 more people in our row that could fit or aligned to the seating set up. We still squeezed in and had the worst sporting event experience ever. We tried our best to adjust every few minutes but it absolutely sucked. And yes there were knees in my back the entire game. I don't know how they got 5 additional people in without tickets but they did, didn't give a shit and weren't respectful and beyond the Buckeyes losing, a very shitty 3 - 3.5 hour game day experience. Never have been back, not worth it. 

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck

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Hovenaut's picture

Never focused on the attendance data before, more interested in finishing ahead on the scoreboard.

But if it were to play out that Ohio State takes over that category this year, and Hoke and company churn out another just-above-.500 year (losses to OSU and MSU), is this their rock bottom?

I never could have imagined this 25 years ago (when Bo was entering his final year).

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

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OSUStu's picture

OSU should invite the alumni band for every game this season just to make sure it happens.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

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Stinson's picture

Michigan hasn't been Michigan since Lloyd Carr left. And as a Buckeye and Michigan hater (but respecter), it sucks. Leave Beyoncé out of the Big House, Dave.

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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whiskeyjuice's picture

If *ichigan continues on the decline and Brady Hoke is forced out of A.A., it would be hard to imagine any proud UM alum (Harbaugh) that would let it continue in that direction. And if Harbaugh does go to A.A. to coach............."WHOA NELLIE" The Game will probably be able to match the intensity of the Woody/Bo era.

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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D-Day0043's picture

Not trying to bust your chops, but why would Harbaugh leave a multi-million dollar job coaching at the highest level in the NFL in sunny California to go clean up that dumpster fire in Ann Arbor?  Why would he want to go out on the road all of the time recruiting 18 year old kids when he can simply draft who he wants, and focus on coaching?

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whiskeyjuice's picture

I normally wouldn't think that way. I have had your mind set about this same topic. 

What has swayed my thought are several different factors that have slowly come to light. *ichigan is on a serious decline and if they continue to lose, I would think a proud Alum or a *ichigan background will step up to the plate and try to put life back into that program. Consider the following that has hurt TTUN lately:

-there are big time student attendance issues they and will continue to get worse this year (based on current ticket sales).

-the rich rod era

-APP State loss

-Gave up all time win % to Notre Dame

-Flack for losing to OSU and MSU too often

-Brady Hoke damn near on the hot seat (a good amount of his own fan base wants him gone)

-Recruits backing out

-And if they get rid of Hoke, it would be like the program is slapping it's own face by getting 2 back to back coaches that can't last their contracts.

If *ichigan isn't careful, they could easily fall into the rut that Notre Dame was in since Holtz left. Even with Notre Dame's undefeated regular season a couple years ago, many people still consider them in that same rut. 

I only mentioned Harbaugh because I don't follow *ichigan well enough to who else would be out there (Maybe Miles?).

*ichigan is going to need somebody strong and proven, with *ichigan ties. Similar to when OSU was down n out after Tressel. I think we were all concerned about Buckeye football future during Fickell's stint as the interim head coach. BOOM, here comes Urban who is strong, proven, and ties to Ohio State.

Sorry to go on that long rant.............I see TTUN in trouble in the near future, lucky for them, they have cupcake teams to start the season.

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

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D-Day0043's picture

I could see Miles taking the job before Harbaugh. Miles has already turned them down once, but if he got fired at LSU I could see him going there,

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OfficerRabbit's picture

MMan may be able to clarify... But I believe I read somewhere that Miles to Michigan was all but a certainty after Carr had left, it took a massive bumble-**ck by then AD (Bill Martin) to screw it up. Had pretty much anyone other than Martin been AD, Les Miles would be coaching TTUN. After Martin bungled the situation, Miles decided he would rather stay at LSU (for less money no less).

 

 

FitzBuck's picture

Don't forget about the reported friction between Jim and the 49er management.  He almost got traded to the browns so the idea he wouldn't consider coming back to AA seems unlikely.  For the right price he might come home.

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

D-Day0043's picture

That was a rumor. I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into it. It got blown way out of proportion.

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buckeyedude's picture

Man. First we have UM fans wishing for Harbaugh to come coach in AA, and now we have OSU fans wishing for Harbaugh in AA as well? SMH.

I don't think it's going to happen. And for good reason.

 

 

whiskeyjuice's picture

lol, no I'm not wishing they get Harbaugh. I'm enjoying the decline of their program. I was just merely stating that I think they will have to land a big name, post Brady Hoke, if they have any chance in being a B1G contender. 

I personally believe that this year for their football team is detrimental to their near future on whether they spring board back to being what they used to be known for or just continue slipping down out of relevance. 

Just to be clear, I cannot wait until we have more victories over them then they do us. The 90's practically destroyed me.

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

buckeye4life050233's picture

Drove by the stadium last night.  The tunnels is the corners are going to be pretty cool.  They also aren't done with the lighting.  Stadium definitely looks different but not drastically changing what we're all used too

whiskeyjuice's picture

Take any pics?

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

buckeye4life050233's picture

no sorry, totally was going to but my cell phone was dead.  I'm sure the 11dub staff will be on it and post some pics here soon.  It's pretty close to being done from what it looks like so I assume we will have video and pics of the finished thing here in the near future

whiskeyjuice's picture

Those new tunnels that are bigger and with better traction are just another way to keep the players juiced and excited this year!!

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

buckeyedude's picture

I watched the video of them hoisting the lighting in sections onto Ohio Stadium. That is going to look SO MUCH doper than that temporary lighting that they always bring in.

 

 

buckguyfan1's picture

Love making Michigan suck.

Deadly Nuts's picture

We need to add a second deck on the south stands. The view is good and there is room to build. Too bad we just added a huge ass multi-million dollar scoreboard.

LEBRON

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buckeyedude's picture

How about a third deck all the way around the Shoe?

 

 

whiskeyjuice's picture

Would be nice but until then, Texas A & M claims to have the biggest scoreboard in 2015:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/18/texas-am-previews-nations-biggest-scoreboard/

"You'll find out that nothing that comes easy is worth a dime. As a matter of fact, I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face." -- Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Li Xiao Buckeye's picture

Not a matter of "If", but "When" and "For how many games?"...

I'm not in this world to live up to your expectations and you're not in this world to live up to mine. - Bruce Lee

BroJim's picture

I'm not going to worry about who is or isnt in the crowds north of the boarder. All I know is The Shoe will be a hot ticket this year.

I season my simple food with hunger

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james allen's picture

I commented on another thread about whom I mistakenly thought was Michigan Man.  The one on this thread was my actual target.  I really enjoy the Michigan insights from a genuine and fair fan like this blogger.  He loves his wolverines; We love our Buckeyes ,  L I have responded on John U. Bacon's blog with my Buckeye perspective, like M. Man here, and admitted what we often don't:  Michigan and Ohio State have much in common.  Bacon's essays on saving college football in general and Michigan football in particular are compelling.  What is also interesting to me, and which probably attracted the Michigan Man in the first, place, is how refreshing and thoughtful is this website.  The fandom is always apparent; however, the mean and vacuous vitriol does not dominate either the articles or responses to them.  Throughout my life, I have repeatedly made the point that sports have an intellectual element to them that defies the "dumb jock" stereotype.  This website distinguishes itself because it appeals to the fanatics while revealing the many layers, and considerable texture, of that elusive power that can and does control elation or desolation of an entire city.  Its websites like this one, and fans like M. Man, who elevate sports beyond just physical superiority. 

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PasadenaBuckeye626's picture

I'm a firm believer that winning helps everything run smoother.  Luckily, Brady Hoke is in charge, and winning is not guaranteed. 

Go Bucks!

seafus26's picture

I don't care what they claim annually as an attendance. I was in the Outhouse last year and the one top corner of endzone never did fill up and was ridiculously sparse during first quarter. Also no way that single level bowl sits what they say. As I looked around it repeatedly dawned on me, no way this is bigger than the 'Shoe and certainly not even bigger than Jerry'sWorld &Reliant (now NRG) in Houston. Those structures are massive but crowd not packed like sardines. I read Mr. Bacon's article, and it was very well written. But we're over thinking. The reason for the difference in sales between our schools is best answered by Mr. Charlie Sheen, "winning."

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

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Tom57's picture

Good Thread... One thing that John U is all over that seems to be missed in the thread though is TRADITION! Michigan has it. Dave Brandon is ignoring it. It's not simply advertising around the stadium which most folks ignore... sort of like the ads on the side boards in a hockey game.

It's how the game is packaged AND priced.

Gene Smith came ohhhh sooo close to screwing the pooch on the latter this spring game by raising the price for the scrimmage to $20 on day of the game.

Buckeye fans don't want the Superbowl. We want a B1G football experience. Not Beyonce. WE want TBDBITL. TTUN fans want their Damn Band.

John U ALSO GOES ON big time to point out that TTUN didn't play cupcakes in Bo's day. The schedule was 10 games with good competition and no byes. They also didn't tee it up at noon or 3:30 or 8 PM. Shoe hit leather at 1:05. Set your watch to it.

John U's principal point and I fully agree is that the University Administrators need to get their shit together, and specifically take some control BACK from Disney and Fox. He points out the NW did this to a limited extent by telling ESPN where they could set up the live in stadium venue for the OSU NW game in Chicago last season.

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buckeye4life050233's picture

They need to take control of the tv timeout situation.  It's getting ridiculous the amount of times I look over to the 20yd line and see the stupid tv guy standing on the field not letting play go on when everyone is ready to go

Jpfbuck's picture

Beyoncé s not the problem, nor is the lack of tradition to my mind

the way I see it, is a combo of 2 problems

1) lousy schedules

2) not dominating those schedules

OSU had a terrible schedule last year but at least dominated as they should have making the blow outs fun to watch (if in a perverse way) ie it is a offensive circus

but when UM plays and struggle at home with the likes of Akron and Air Force (like the last 2 years), and even in Hoke's first year they didn't exactly dominate EMU. WMU and SDSU (winning by an avg score of 31-7, solid but not dominant against bad competition)

or worse struggle with Miami O, lose to Utah, Toledo and App St, get dominated by Oregon

then this year schedule a home slate that has a newly promoted App St (again), a terrible Miami O team, a mediocre Utah team, Mediocre Minny, down PSU, mediocre Indiana and Mediocre Maryland

well you get what they have

seriously who would spend the amount UM is asking for to see that slate? I sure wouldn't

sure OSU has had a few OOC struggles over the years against teams they should have dominated (Ohio U, and Navy most recently), but they still also played teams like Texas, and USC and Va Tech this year plus the Hurricanes. And other than a couple hiccups of closer than expected games, we certainly never lost some of our cup cakes, even in the lost 2011 season

schedule better and/or play better and they will return

think about this, even with their weaker schedules over the last 8 years, they have not been ranked in the top 10 since 2006, that's 8 years ago or when current freshman at UM were 10 years old. they have only been ranked at all 3 times in the last 8 years, and the last time they even split a conference title was 10 years ago!!!

since then other than 2006 and 2012, they have lost at least 4 games ever year for a decade while playing U Conn, App St, Delaware St, Miami O, directional Michigans, Akron, Air Force, UMass, SDSU, BGSU, Utah, Vandy, Ball St, N Ill, etc

you cant win 66% of those games and struggle in others and hope people will just keep coming along

OSU has played their fair share of chump opponents in the last 10 years as well, but other than losses to Texas, USC twice and Miami we have run the table and often dominated, UM hasn't.

you cant play a majority of chumps and not dominate and still hope for loyalty

Tom57's picture

No doubt playing a better schedule is a key. That's been cited everywhere. I don't think dominating a poor schedule matters at all.

Part of the schedule problem is the move to a 12 game schedule, and the "greedy" desire to fill that schedule with home games against teams you should easily beat. Funny huh. Maybe the fan's staying away and the playoff format will fix that. Better to play fewer home games against better opponents.