Why the Bengals Chose LSU's Jeremy Hill Over Carlos Hyde

By DJ Byrnes on May 10, 2014 at 11:34a
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Carlos Hyde's Ohio State career needs no glossing over. Everybody here knows there's a reason the man earned the nickname "El Guapo."

With the 54th pick in the second round of the NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans selected Washington's Bishop Sankey. It was the latest the first running back in the draft had been selected.

That put the Bengals on the clock, and the Bengals shocked sizable portion of their fanbase when they selected LSU's powerback Jeremy Hill over Ohio State's Carlos Hyde.

Why did they pass on a beast from OSU with connections to the city of Cincinnati? From Kevin Goheen at FoxSports.com:

The Bengals believe Hill better fits their needs and their offense than Hyde. The two backs are comparable in physical size -- Hill is listed at 6-feet-1, 233 pounds, while Hyde is 6-0, 230 -- and both have been productive in their college offenses. If there is one thing that stood out to the Cincinnati coaches, it's that Hill played in a pro-style offense at LSU while Hyde was in a spread offense..

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"Don't get me wrong, Carlos Hyde is a heck of a football player and somebody is going to get a very, very good football player here very shortly, in my opinion, but this was the best fit for the Bengals today," said offensive coordinator Hue Jackson.

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"The way he played in his offense with LSU, in the pro-style offense they had and what they asked him to do, he stepped up going against the tough SEC, running downhill, the stuff that we like to do," said running backs coach Kyle Caskey. "When it came to pass protection he actually stepped in there. He was coached to do that and he looked really tough. Not that the other guys didn't. He just really stepped above that when it came to being a complete player and the type of runner that we're looking for as well and playing against the competition he played against."

Carlos Hyde would end up being selected two picks later, by the San Francisco 49ers.

If I'm Carlos Hyde, I'd much rather play for the 49ers than the Cincinnati Bengals. I think the track record of the two franchises speaks for itself.

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Tanner's picture

Another reason is: Bengals gonna Bengal

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Jastot's picture

Just blew out my colon on that one

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Jack Burton's picture

Bungles

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Hopalong's picture

It's because they're ugly and can't read good

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Northbrook's picture

Nor do they appreciate a good whiskey.

chemicalwaste's picture

Nice Blue Streak/Dave Chapelle quote there.

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BuckeyeNationforLife's picture

Living in Cincinnati is great! We all love making the playoffs in the MLB and NFL every year to exit in the first round!

WezBuck28's picture

Could be worse, could be in Cleveland..

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D-Day0043's picture

All the playoffs mean in Cincinnati is one more week of practice before the players vacation starts.

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AlwayzABuckeye614's picture

Wow, really? Better fits their offense? as if there was much difference between the two backs. Carlos could of adapted to the Bungles offense with no problems. 

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livinthedream's picture

"If I'm Carlos Hyde, I'd much rather play for the 49ers than the Cincinnati Bengals. I think the track record of the two franchises speaks for itself."   This way he won't be saddled with playing for another loooooser of a franchise.  Gaining more respect for the 49ers.

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TresselourgodUrbanoursavior's picture

Choosing either was/would have been a bad decision.  Far more pressing needs than a running back.

chemicalwaste's picture

Front offices aren't eligible for the draft

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Hovenaut's picture

Bengals make excuses, Niners made arrangements.

Show them all what we know, El Guapo.

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KBonay's picture

I think it speaks volumes that SF traded up to get that pick. It was a steal.... 

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CowCat's picture

The 49ers are a winning franchise with a winning coach from the Big 10, and they are a physical team that incorporates spread / zone read. El Guapo couldn't have done much better.

 

 

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-- Urban Meyer

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THEOSUfan's picture

It seems to me that Carlos played in a pro-style offense (or a multiple offense that included pro-style) up to Urban's arrival.  However, in 2011 I have a hard time calling what Bollman did an offense.  If was more like run Dave a couple of times, throw an incomplete pass, punt, and let our defense play type of approach.  But it's not like Carlos hasn't ever seen or practiced a pro-style concept.

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ibuck's picture

El Guapo did a lot of his running against 8 or so in the box. Probably a closer approximation to the physicality of the pro game.

I hope 11W does a followup story next November to show how these 2 RBs are doing in the NFL.

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Bailey458's picture

I was heartbroken but not surprised.  As I posted in other threads, and I apologize to beat a dead horse, but the Bengals have repeatedly spurned former Buckeyes only to take players on teams and in conferences that have been the villain to Ohioans.  It is a peculiar practice (Maualuga instead of Laurinaitis, Chris Perry instead of Gamble, Leon Hall, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Darqueeze Denard, a fun exercise would be to see how many more can be named like I've said before that's without really trying) and while several of these picks cannot be argued with because of results it is still maddening to me (there are also a horde of FA signings too of other players that specifically stick in the craw of us Buckeyes, see Mays, Taylor and Nelson, Reggie).  If all things are equal (or even 80% equal) like they were in the Hyde Hill fiasco you would think the Bengals execs and Mike Brown specifically would be greedy and choose to sell more tickets and jerseys (how many Hyde jerseys sell immediately versus an LSU back? gotta be enough to pay for his rookie contract almost).

Perhaps someone a little older than I could chime in here but I remember there being issues between the Brown family and the Buckeyes that may have precipitated this (I know the Browns had an issue with Modell too).

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Crumb's picture

I'm right there with you man, don't forget about how they passed on Santonio Holmes who knocked them out of the playoff race with a simple slant route in overtime his rookie year (and who did he beat on the route, the guy the Bungles picked ahead of him in Jonathan Joseph). And Carson Palmer who ranted about his 02 USC team being better than the 02 Buckeyes (in his dreams only) and how happy he was SC beat us in 08 and 09. I burned the Palmer jersey I had after hearing that. It seems like to be a Bengal you have to be a criminal and or have a grudge against the Buckeyes.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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northcampus's picture

Though it may seem hard to believe to some fans on this site, Mike Brown is (and has been for many years) a loyal OSU supporter.  When TBDBITL plays at Paul Brown Stadium, this is all due to Mike Brown.  It's a common perception that Cincy is not an OSU town, but if it were up to Mike Brown, it would be.

If this situation had occurred a few years ago (before Brown deferred most (if not all) of the football decisions to Marvin), the pick would have been Hyde.  Drafting Jeremy Hill (and all his baggage) over Carlos Hyde was 110% the doing of Hue Jackson and Marvin Lewis.  The biggest surprise of this draft (when considering OSU and the Bengals preference of OSU players in this draft) is that Jack Mewhort was not picked by the team.

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kpgobucks's picture

Not to mention the character concerns with Jeremy Hill..isn't he the guy who was found guilty on sexual assault charges and Les Miles allowed the team to vote on him...guess that suits the bungles!

Kpgobucks

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Bucksfan's picture

If Carlos had actually hit that girl in the club, he'd be in a Bengals helmet for sure.

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cinserious's picture

...Distasteful but funny.

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Crumb's picture

Don't forget true.

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El Doug's picture

To be fair one on those "assaults" was for being orally pleasured by a freshman in HS while he was a senior. 

That said, I agree at the Bengals decision making is baffling and Hyde would have been a much better choice.   

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faux_maestro's picture

 

He said oral....

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D. Anthony's picture

There's a reason the Bengals are the Bengals and the 49ers are the 49ers...

D. Anthony

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TeddyHeisman's picture

Gotta love all the armchair coaches/GMs on here. 

I love Hyde and would have loved him in Cincy, but I'm also a big fan of Hill.

I'm cool with the pick. 

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c92996p's picture

From a talent perspective, I can see where the Bengals were coming from when picking Hill.  He's essentially a slower, fatter, stronger version of Hyde.  However, I think the two backs are close enough talent wise that it would've been a much better move for the Bengals to take Hyde as it would've sold more tickets and given a fanbase that is at least partially made up of Buckeyes a huge boost.  Even though I would definitely have rather gotten Hyde, I'm still happy that we've got a replacement for BJGE waiting in the wings.

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Oldschoolbuck's picture

I've really, really tried to root for the Bungles (yeah, I'm gonna call them that again). Heck, I've been a Reds fan since I was 11 or 12. I mean, the icon of Ohio coaches (next to Woody) was there; alas, I can't seem to work up much love for 'em.

The Browns seem to always break your heart; the Bungles don't even have a place there.

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

This is exactly the way I feel. I feel like I am forcing myself to root for the Bengals because im from southern Ohio. If they had picked Hyde I would have a really good reason to watch every single game this year but instead I will probably watch more 49ers games than Bengals games. I just dont get all there terrible decisions and shutting all over the fans. The Nfl will never do it for me. I just dont understand how they can ask a running back to ruin his body for them and give the money to the wide receivers instead of them.

TBDBITL0509's picture

There's no question that Hyde is with the better franchise. I think my only concern about Hyde landing with SF is that he will be one of five very talented RBs on their roster. He's probably their replacement for Gore after his contract is up - just don't be surprised if we don't hear much from him in 2014. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

I'm really hoping we get a shot of AJ Green at some point this season with the "Eff this" look on his face. One of the most monumental talents in the NFL is going to spend the prime of his career in football purgatory.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

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collards's picture

I'll bet he'll get more catches than Josh Gordon.

Collards

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Hyde didn't have enough felonies. 

LEBRON

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Jdadams01's picture

California > Cincinnati

Codeezy's picture

Why on Gods green earth would anyone down vote this lol.  Ok have pride in your hometown but where would you rather make your living?

D-Day0043's picture

Depends on which part of California I guess. Some parts of California are just $hit holes with descent weather.

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cinserious's picture

Liiiiiike....Oakland?

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BuckeyeChief's picture

...and here I was REALLY hoping the Giants were gonna grab him. I really hope Big Hank blows up this year.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

harleymanjax's picture

I left Cincinnati in 2001, I continued to be a Bengal fan through all of the hard times. THAT STOPS TODAY! I give up! When you pass on taking a sure pick from the Buckeyes for a child molester, that's the final straw!

Until Mike Brown dies I will just have to be a Jaguar fan.

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

jamesrbrown322's picture

I knew the SEC factor would be mentioned. So sick of it. It's not like the B1G, ACC, Big 12, PAC 12 are a bunch of MAC/C-USA or FCS schools.

WTF?

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill

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SaudiBuckeye's picture

I am still pissed off by the way Cincinnati totally misused the only two-time Heisman Trophy winner and human pinball, Archie Griffin. Inexcusable and unforgivable. 17 Buckeyes have been drafted by Cincinnati since 1969 and other than Pete Johnson, I can't think of any Buckeye who had a stellar career there. 

I think the best thing that could happen to a Buckeye is to not be drafted by the Bengals. Thus, I am elated that El Guapo wasn't drafted by them.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

There is a reason they are the Bengals!!!

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achillesx's picture

I'm going to leave this right here.... http://www.usatoday.com/videos/sports/ncaaf/sec/2013/07/12/2512545/

Sucker punch while wearing his LSU gear. I don't feel much more needs to be said. 

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D-Day0043's picture

Wow! That was some serious punk shit there.

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Poison nuts's picture

What a tough man! Wow - I'd never seen that...like I said all the way at the bottom - done with the Bengals.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

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Crimson's picture

It was posted here around when it happened.  I had forgotten that that was the guy until I watched it again, but as everyone has said repeatedly, "If you aren't a criminal, Cincy doesn't want you."

gbdawg's picture

I would love to have Carlos on the Bengals but Marvin Lewis has actually done a decent job with draft picks

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Hill is a very good back.  Total scum, sure, but a good back and not a terrible pick.  I'd have taken Hyde still. 

Class of 2010.

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German Buckeye's picture

I've come to grips with the anti Bengals flavor from 11W writers, they simply pull for the Browns more, which is ok.  Just makes it hard to read all the anti-Bengal bias so much.  Both Ohio professional teams have not been stellar franchises which is disappointing.  I've always thought Ohio State football was and will remain king for all Ohioans.  Still, it would be nice if either the Bengals or Browns would take in state talent, much the in same way I always was glad Tress did and hope Urban continues to do.   

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gm3jones's picture

I got that after reading these comments and write up. I thought there would of been a little more love or respect for them. I mean I know that SF FO is better than Cincy, and probably have a better team, but CIncy is still a talented team. They are no longer the problem childs. They compete and win in the AFCN. I mean I would of just hoped for a glimmer of some love for them as I do not think they are the worse team (by far) in the league. SF has there issues, Browns have theres, as do every pretty much every other team.  THey all have players that get into trouble during the offseason.

And to say its a landing spot for criminals can be taken as we are "thugs" or whatever, but they actually try and help these young men. Adam "pac-man" Jones came to cincy that way and is now a very loved and respected man in the community and locker room. He speaks at the rookie introduction to the players and what he did and how to avoid that. But we dont care about that, huh? That we take these guys in and try to change them (you know, more than just football).  The worst part is that Hill and Hyde are so closely compared in numbers, I dont get why this is such a big deal.

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BUCK3Y3's picture

I hate the Steelers with a passion, but I do appreciate the fact that they are always giving Buckeyes a shot. Wish the Brown's would do the same. As for the Bengals I hate them and I'm glad they didn't take Hyde. I'm very much looking forward to the Buckeyes stomping the Bearcats. Mouthy fans in Cincy. The only redeeming quality Cincinnati has is the Reds and I can't even stand most Reds fans.

Rocket Man's picture

2004, Bengals need a RB and Steven Jackson is on the board.  They trade the pick to the St. Louis Rams, who draft the consensus best RB in the draft and future Hall of Famer.  Two picks later, the Bengals draft the RB they coveted -- Chris Perry.

That's all you need to know about the Bengals and RBs.

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Poison nuts's picture

I am no longer a Bengals fan. Done.

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dumpus's picture

i have a feeling that the bungles would draft a footsoldier from Boko Haram if he could run a 4.35 40 and tie his own shoes...

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Colerain 2004 G.O.A.T.'s picture

After days of hanging off the  ledge about this pick I have came around a little. Hill actually is a inch taller and a couple pounds heavier.He also is a half step faster and just a tad more athletic. He averaged 6.9 ypc last year in the mighty sec which is a all time record.He has less wear and  tear on his body and has been used in more of a under center offense that closer resembles the Bengals.He also has more experience splitting carries which will be the case with Gio Bernard. All this a side I still wanted Hyde and not only because Im a homer but because of the 2 serious off field issues Hill has been a part of. A sexual misconduct involving a freshman in HS while he was a senior and then the infamous "sucker punch" where Les Miles let the team vote on his punishment. Those 2 red flags alone should have dropped the kid a full round behind Hyde.And with both running backs having similar measurables and being taken in back to back picks their careers will forever be compared side by side.

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hit_the_couch's picture

Hyde's gonna need a contract renegotiation in a year or so. As a Bengals fan, I know that they don't wanna pay players.  I'm not mad at it. Hill isn't as good as Bernard and Gore only has so much time left and Hyde should be playing soon if he's the real deal. 

i am more disappointed that my Bengals drafted McCryin'. 

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BuckeyeStrong2's picture

At least you will hopefully get a few shots of Katherine Webb down there though!

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MDBuckeyenut's picture

Would have SOOOOOOO nice to wear a Hyde jersey in orange and black.  I cannot believe they did not draft him.  I also cannot believe Marvin Lewis continues to coach after failing so many years to get a playoff win.  Anyone else know what job allows failing to meet your goal and rewards it with keeping your job?  

Barnsey69's picture

This was a no brainer, so it's not surprising that the Fighting Mike Brown's botched this pick.

Bueno suerte en San Francisco El Guapo!

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SilverBullet-98's picture

He is from the SEC!!!

Oh Bull Crap, talk about slapping your fanbase in the face twice!!!

Was 1 inch taller and slighty more talented(arguably), worth slighting your fans???

What a punk they drafted, no character, no class!!

Mat they continue to be Bens-gals' !!

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