Success Breeding Success and Other Fortunate Problems

By Jeremy Birmingham on July 15, 2014 at 3:00p
Cleveland star Jerome Baker shocked Ohio State by choosing Florida
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Sam Walton once said "High expectations are the key to everything," and as followers of all things Ohio State, most of you reading this are no stranger to that ideal. The Buckeyes are, and have always been (with a few anomalies throughout the years), one of the country's most successful athletic departments, and that rings especially true on the gridiron. From John Eckstorm to Paul Brown, from Woody Hayes to Urban Meyer, success has begotten success throughout the history of the Scarlet and Gray.

At what point then, does your relative success get held against you as a program? At what point does the tendency to land the recruits you want become ammunition for rival schools, desperate to land the players they want for their program? Unfortunately, for the Buckeyes, it appears that point may be now, and how Meyer and his program bounce back from a few recent setbacks will go a long way towards Ohio State's future successes. As other programs around the country attempt to come back to prominence, historically relevant teams like Florida and Penn State for example; are using recent recruiting wins, and in some cases the expectation of a win, against the Buckeyes.

In the case of New Jersey quarterback Brandon Wimbush, who was all but committed to the Buckeyes last December, the idea that Ohio State was leading for the eventual signature of five-star athlete Torrance Gibson was enough of a crack for Penn State's new head coach James Franklin to exploit. Although Wimbush has publicly stated that he was not concerned about Gibson's interest in the Buckeyes, the notion that Urban Meyer "preferred" Gibson over Wimbush was discussed at length here, there, and everywhere. Eventually, along with a wave of recruiting success of his own, Franklin used that narrative to help land Wimbush as the leader in his first full Penn State recruiting class.

Last week, after a torrid two-month recruiting stretch of their own, Ohio State took two surprising and frustrating in-state losses when Hubbard running back LJ Scott and Cleveland Benedictine linebacker Jerome Baker each opted for non-Buckeye futures. Scott, the nation's fourth-ranked tailback, chose Big Ten rival Michigan State, and Baker, the fourth-ranked athlete in the country, stunned all of Ohio when he announced he was heading to Florida instead of the long-favored Buckeyes. What prompted these two Ohio-born stars to deny their birthright of Buckeye stardom? That is anyone's guess, but it's clear something Ohio State was offering didn't resonate as clearly as their alternatives. 

Were the rumors of Ohio State leading for Kentucky star Damien Harris pushing Scott in a different direction? Was a stacked depth chart at linebacker, a result of last year's impressive four-man haul and the recent commitments of Nick Conner and Justin Hilliard, one of Florida's primary selling points for Jerome Baker? Maybe, and maybe. Did these two decisions, on back-to-back days, catch Ohio State by surprise? Definitely.

The Buckeyes felt they had moved the dial considerably for Scott, and despite the proverbial smoke around Baker and Florida, they felt — like most people — that the feeling of "home" Baker had so eloquently spoke about with Cleveland.com was referencing Ohio State. How did Florida's reeling program and presumed lame duck coach steal Ohio's best player from under Urban Meyer's nose? For all the success in his first two seasons at Ohio State, there's little doubt that Meyer and his staff are analyzing that very question right now.


One player that was scheduled to visit Ohio State this week, St. Clairsville, Ohio's Brendan Ferns, will reschedule due to a seven-on-seven tournament his team will participate in Wednesday. Ferns and his family will be taking a vacation in Florida next week and had hoped to be back in Columbus for Friday Night Lights next week, whether or not that happens may be contingent on airline schedules, but it appears that a visit will happen a few days following, likely July 28th, according to his father.

With Tommy Kraemer, Liam Eichenberg, Gavin Cupp and a host of other talented offensive lineman within Ohio's borders in 2016, the Buckeyes don't have too far to look for talent next year, but they're looking anyway. Another one of the region's best, Thiyo Lukusa from Traverse City, Michigan has finalized his plans to visit Columbus for Friday Night Lights. Initially the 6-foot-5, 300-pound tackle didn't anticipate making the journey because he's visiting his father in New Jersey, but decided he didn't want to pass up the trip.

"It's going to be the best weekend of my summer," Lukusa told Eleven Warriors. "I'm staying in the dorms with some of the lineman and just gonna fly in to Columbus for a good time and some ball. Not to mention I'll be able to evaluate one of the nation's best academic and football universities."

With offers already on the table from Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and yes, Ohio State, Lukusa is a consensus four-star prospect and the country's 21st-ranked offensive tackle.

With tightening numbers in their 2015 recruiting class, and two cornerbacks (the remarkably under-discussed Jamel Dean and recent pledge Denzel Ward) already in the fold, it's becoming less and less likely that Pennsylvania's Jordan Whitehead ends up at Ohio State. The odds of that happening shrunk even further yesterday when the Central Valley cornerback picked up an offer from Alabama, where his best friend and former teammate Robert Foster is on the roster.


Everyone is aware that Friday Night Lights is almost here, right? You know, Friday, July 25th? If not, now you do. Now that you know, you, our dear reader, have no legitimate excuse to not be in attendance for the Buckeyes' biggest camp of summer. Open for the public to take in and enjoy from the cozy confines of Ohio Stadium, it's where all the cool kids in Central Ohio are hanging out next week. Be there or be square, y'all.

At this point, with the exception of South Dakota's Grant Schmidt and possibly New Jersey lineman Kevin Feder, every one of the "Elite '15" is scheduled to be in attendance as well as a host of top players from around the country including. 11W will have more on who you should expect to see in attendance later this week.

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nfischer's picture

This is a great problem to have and if it is true (and I emphasis "if") then it is simply natural selection at work.  Those who would choose a school because of the immense pressure and competition may not fit best in the program at OSU.  But for those who do accept the challenge, it will be an opportunity for iron to sharpen iron and make themselves much better both personally and more importantly as a collective team.

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mjfiore's picture

Hopefully it could also pay off in the Big Ten...pull out of state/region talent into tOSU...in state talent chooses another Big Ten school.

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GVerrilli92's picture

Rarely is there a point missed by the article made in the comments that reassures me this much. Great, great point.

I'm all about some performance psychology, and I think Baker's case was the classic "looking out for no. 1" response to pressure. Let's get real, Florida will not be competing for SEC titles over the next two years. Some kids just really don't care for that and prioritize preparing themselves for the league. And who's to blame them? Go get that paper man.

Another truth is that he would not be playing here for at least 2 years, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would remain a collegiate backup. He would represent our average LB commit over the last 3 years and I'm sure that was brought to his attention. Granted, a LB only has to start here for one year to be NFL ready. But what would you rather do? Ride the bench in cold ass Ohio (where you've spent your entire life), or get immediate playing time, constant sun, and babes for days?

Obviously I'm exaggerating the pros and cons to make a point. But the point is that winning in college just isn't a top priority to a lot of recruits, as long as they can enjoy this time in their life and create an opportunity at the next level.

That being said, go enjoy yourself Baker. Urban has created a culture of winning. tOSU's kids are so competitively inspired that I bet they try to race each other when they're pissing. It's very likely that the type of structure and blue-collar mentality Urban and co. has brought turns a couple of the "early pros" off to tOSU. Some individuals just feel that they need to reward themselves for accomplishment by making things easier. Urban doesn't allow that type of thought - rather, "you have a gift, if you choose to perpetually challenge yourself the sky is the limit" seems to be the emphasis. I'd rather have a team of 3 stars that go to work everyday then a team of 4 stars that go through the motions in practice because they feel like they're good enough to do so. Luckily for us, Urban is grabbing 5 stars and instilling these values.

/rant

Lo siento

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TheBadOwl's picture

 remarkably under-discussed Jamel Dean

Damn right, kid's so underrated. He's 6'2 with insane speed and athleticism. Can't believe that everyone here forgets about him.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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oregonianbuckeye's picture

Can we call him Jimmy? 

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Earle's picture

Bob Evans would like a word...

Italics are for emphasis.

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BuckWylde's picture

Only if you say it with Tennessee Pride . . . 

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Stefan_wannie's picture

To me it just sounds like they did not want to compete for a starting spot with all the talent we have recently got with tail back and line backers. Look at Florida, that program is on the fall pretty bad and Baker has a chance to go down there and start right away. I do not see them making much noise this year with the way the staff is under so much pressure. Scott on the other hand at least he stayed in the Big Ten I guess. Looking at that RB depth chart he probably would not see playing time for a year or so unless he would turn heads. I would of liked to have him but oh well, I'll take Harris any day of the week. I wish both Baker and Scott the best of luck in their college careers and remember signing day is not till Feb so i would not be surprised if Urban gets anyone of them to flip. 

Oh one more thing, why does this get brought up about losing players cause of the depth and all but it never seems to hurt Bama or anything. They still roll in big play after big time player granted they over sign and cut players left and right. That would totally draw me away from going to Bama with them doing that. 

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D-Day0043's picture

Bama misses on a lot of players too.

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Poison nuts's picture

Bama misses on players for sure. Every team does for one reason or another. The other thing that many OSU fans don't want to admit is that OSU is not Bama. Not yet. Multiple NCs & multiple first round draft picks while playing in the perceived strongest conference in recent years is a part of the recruiting equation that can't be overlooked. That's the type of success that recruits are willing to risk being at a stacked position, in order to be a part of. Ohio State isn't there yet. Right now Ohio State has only potential & a great head coach. A few more first rounders & a NC or maybe even an appearance in a NC game that they lose but keep it close would likely do a lot to change that & we'd see more highly rated recruits willing to come on board regardless of depth. That's my opinion of the situation anyway...

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

Not the ones they really want. Watch the opening. It seemed like every one of there players were dominating. They were the only players that ESPN talked about regularly. Even the under rated players they get are bad ass. Seems like they just don't miss on guys. Every 5 star they get seems to live up to the hype they get in high school. Seems like they are great at evaluating and then development of all the players that are able to make the "Yearly Cut". I just don't see how Alabama consistently recruits this well. Hopefully we can win a Championship. If we do I bet recruiting will pick up as far as the big named players. Look at Auburn. They lost a close NCG and they are recruiting like they won. I do believe OSU will get there but it might take some SEC style "Roster Management". Doubt Urban would do what they do to gain an advantage. Gotta cut the guys that are under performing to run with Bama in the long run. I bet Franklin will.

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apack614's picture

I just don't get why these kids don't want the challenges of Ohio State it just doesn't make sense to me. But we do need people that can handle the pressure so if that's not their fit that I guess were better off without them. I just hope they understand the oppurtunity they are giving up.

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

CincyOSU's picture

I just don't get why these kids don't want the challenges of Ohio State it just doesn't make sense to me

Isn't it possible that they simply felt another school was a better fit for them? Isn't it possible that they felt another school offered them a better opportunity? But I guess it's just easier to criticize a teenager who is trying to make the biggest decision of his life.

And it doesn't have to make sense to you, it's their life and their decision.

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AndyVance's picture

Isn't it possible that they simply felt another school was a better fit for them? Isn't it possible that they felt another school offered them a better opportunity?

No, that is not possible.

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apack614's picture

Look man I was stating my opinion of how I felt about the article I don't know why you're getting so butthurt about it I hope this doesn't offend to many of you because that's not the point more of a just read what I said and if you don't like it get over it and move on. And stop using the criticize a teenager because I myself am a teenager. Also I was not criticizing them I was simply saying I can't understand why you wouldn't want to accecpt the callenge and play for this glorious program, I would consider it an honor to wear the scarlet and grey every Saturday and have the most loyal fan base in the united states while still managing to have a fantastic academic facilities in whatever major you could imagine. That is all @CINCYOSU I hope you can manage to read this without having a stroke and thinking that all I'm doing is criticizing your entire existence because once again I am not, I am just stating my opinioms

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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apack614's picture

Opinions *

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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cdub4's picture

The part he quoted did not come across as an opinion, it came across as an assumption, which is why he responded the way he did IMO.

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CincyOSU's picture

It appears I'm not the one who is "butthurt". And just because you're a teenage it doesn't exempt you from saying something stupid. This isn't the first time you've questioned a recruits work ethic or character...remember the post you deleted a few days ago??? You can direct your little tantrum at me but I'm not the only one who finds it pathetic to question recruits for making a choice they feel is right for THEIR life. Do you not think there are challenges are other programs? Do you not think it takes courage to move across the country away from your family? Just because you may find it an honor to play at OSU doesn't mean they have to share that opinion.

And you do have the right to state your opinion, just don't get mad when someone calls you our for it when it crosses the line...especially when it comes to questioning the character of a 17 year old kid.

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apack614's picture

Haha you just asked someone that has been in the Marine Corps for the past 2 years if it takes courage to move away from home. No that doesn't take courage that part will get no sympathy from me. Questioning their character? I dont feel that I have, considering the article said they wanted a laid back program? And yes I deleted my comment days ago because it crossed the line a little but this one most definatley does not.

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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CincyOSU's picture

That's funny seeing as most consider one of the most courageous things those in the military do is serve their country while being away from their families. 

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apack614's picture

In Iraq? In Afghanistan? Yeah that is courageous. Not moving down to the beach to live a lavish lifestyle while playing college football.

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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DaveStephens's picture

There's nothing lavish about Gainesville, FL. If a recruit had picked Miami (FL), you could say that. Don't confuse the bottom third of the peninsula with any other part of the South. It seems like you've never been to Florida.  And for some people, going away for college is difficult. For others, its a natural thing. 

The Dude abides.

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DaveStephens's picture

Also, if you've been in the Marine Corps for two years, that means you're an adult, not a teenager, despite how your NCOs treat you. 

The Dude abides.

Crimson's picture

One can be both.

apack614's picture

I'm a Corporal. Thanks for the help though? Regardless of me "being an adult" because I am in the military doesnt change the fact that I am 19, which does in fact still make me a teenager.

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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DaveStephens's picture

Good. Start acting like one. I don't know any of any Lance Corporals, let alone full Corporals, who still refer to themselves as teenagers. You're not the only member of 11W posting from the Sandbox. Thanks for your service. S/f. 

The Dude abides.

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apack614's picture

Rog, you too. S/f

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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NitroBuck's picture

Dave, he was stating a fact that was pertinent to the discussion.  I doubt the Corporal normally wears still being a teenager on his shirtsleeve.  Maybe we would all be better off to simply thank him for serving our country, and be happy that he is a fellow Buckeye.  He really does not deserve all of the down votes.

Ferio.  Tego.

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trigg03's picture

Semper Fi brother
Don't trip on people bro...jus let em spout off about stuff. You have earned your right bro...carry on.

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apack614's picture

I appreciate it sincerely, Do or die!

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

APACK, unfortunately, many of these young men don't share the extreme affection for The Ohio State University that we do.  This, I am sure, is the reason they choose to go elsewhere.  We are going after national players now, and even though Ohio State has a national name and it carries power, they just don't feel the "fit" here as they may at other schools.

I know, sounds CRAZY, right?  I would love to see us get every football player our staff deems as "must get" players, but it doesn't work that way.

Marc Pocock (a.k.a NuttyBuckeye)

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apack614's picture

That makes sense I guess it's just hard for me being from Ohio and imagining them trying to recruit me I would have been exstatic, but at the end of the day everyone does have a good point of it is their life they can choose what makes them happy which I agree with completley. At the end of the day I like to see anyone from Ohio end up successful.

"If we worked half as hard as our band, we'd be champions." - Woody Hayes

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TENacious.D's picture

WE need people that don't think WE needs to be used when WE talk about WE... Er...I mean OUR football team! These kids made the best decision for them, not you. WE need to stop acting like WE know what's best for them. Let em live.

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Nutinpa's picture

Some of the posters think these kids are passing on Ohio State to start for Miami of Ohio or Eastern Michigan.

You don't think there are terrific athletes at Florida? That there won't be competition for playing time there? Or Michigan State? Or Alabama?  smh.  Penn State? Of the schools mentioned...it is the only one in which a frosh can play from day one.  Wimbush will have one red-shirt year while Hackenberg is there...then it's his...if he stays or doesn't sign somewhere else.

The coaches and players at competing, elite schools are playing there....and the coaches are making big money...not because they are schmucks...but because they have a resume of success.  If every 4 or 5 star Ohio born football player played for the Buckeyes in the past 45 years, there would have been more than 2 National Championships.  Simple as that.

Some kids go elsewhere --  and have been for a long time. Let's stop acting like it's a new development.

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PasadenaBuckeye626's picture

I'm curious to see whether Wimbush sticks with Penn State.  Supposedly, he is thinking hard about the Stanford offer

Go Bucks!

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I could be wrong, but winning a national title could ease some of the worry of potential recruits when it comes to competition. Alabama now, and USC a few years ago, never had any problems really. They simply selected who they wanted, and got virtually ever single recruit that they really, truly want. Why? Because they have won titles and consistently send talent to the NFL. As OSU keeps winning, and hopefully brings home that hideous College Football Playoff trophy, they hopefully will join that rarefied air.

Even then, remember that in a state as talent rich as Ohio, some kids are simply going to slip away and go other places. All we can do is wish them well, and hope that not of them come back to haunt us like Charles Woodson.

I don't know about anyone else, but I am pretty happy with the haul so far. If you had offered me either Hilliard or Baker before the process began, I would have taken Hilliard, no doubt. (Of course, I'd prefer BOTH, clearly.) So, it does suck to see such a highly rated Ohio recruit go some place else, but that is his choice. Expectations certainly are high at OSU, right now, than they are at UF or PSU, so if expectations to win championships bothers a recruit than OSU is NOT the place for them, and neither is Alabama, LSU, Texas, USC, Oregon, Oklahoma...

One has to admit that if the assertions regarding Wimbush and Gibson are true, it would be pretty damn ironic if Gibson ends up in Knoxville.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

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D-Day0043's picture

Amen JB. You're the hardest working man in show business.... I mean commenter on 11W today. ;-)

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

You just mentioned Oregon in the same category as Bama, Lsu, Usc, Texas, and Oklahoma. Lol

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bigDbuck's picture

Why doesn't Bama have this "problem"? They seem to get 5 star after 5 star at CB, RB, LB, DL.

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Titles, not having four-year scholarships maybe?

40eastbuckeye's picture

Every year you see a number of underclassmen make a major impact at Alabama letting recruits know they can play early also they always have several early entries into the nfl draft opening up the depth chart

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I think the NFL has a lot more to do with it than winning titles.  In Bamas case, that's just the tipping point for these kids, but the conversation has to start with we've put X amount of players in the draft, multiple in the 1st round every year, etc., etc.

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D-Day0043's picture

They are starting to get a reputation for their players being busts in the NFL. It will catch up to them one of these days.

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Humbuck's picture

If you look at Saban's class going into his 3rd season as HC it looks a lot like what we have in terms of stars and studs.  He had a 12-2 year in his second season, lost the SEC title game and lost the Sugar Bowl.  By late July he had 1-5* kid (the only one in the class) and a handful of 4* kids to go with a compliment of 3* kids.  He finished with a top 5 class but it was not even close to the #1 class. 

Alabama went out and won a national title in his 3rd season.  Saban closed his class fairly strong but the title didn't create a massive bump to his class. 

The recruiting got a lot easier after the second title and now it is firmly established.  Saban didn't land absurd classes in his first few years though.  Remember where Meyer is after taking over a 6-7 team on probation with scholarship reductions.  This is his 3rd complete class being built.  It isn't to the point where he is shooting fish in a barrel to get his 25 guys. 

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D-Day0043's picture

Great point Humbuck, people tend to forget how Saban started out at Bama.

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

I think it hurt OSU that Urban said "We DON'T Redshirt" and then Redshirted just about everyone in the class. I think if the young guys don't RS this year and they play that it will help allot.

The Rill Dill's picture

He DID NOT say that we won't redshirt.  He said we will not recruit a player JUST to redshirt him.  

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

Yea well the fact that it needs to be explained to recruits does not help at all. The way I remember it is that he said "We don't redshirt." After 3/4 the class redshirted he said We aren't gonna waist a year on the guy playing in mop up duty. I get it and agree. I just think that it might have confused some kids that he assured will not RS.

Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Buckeyes likely to lose out on another in-state kid, James Daniels, sometime soon as well.

jamesrbrown322's picture

The fact that he's a legacy hurts even more.

Going to Auburn or Iowa?
 

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

Barnsey69's picture

To piggy-back on Wannie's point about Bama over-recruiting, the general opinion is that all SEC schools do this. I am not aware of Florida's scholarship situation for the 2015 class, and I doubt that Baker would be on the outside looking in due to his ability, but I would want o make absolutely sure if I were him. 

In the end hard to say why in-state kids spurn the greatest university in the country if they have an offer, but they do. It has been said many times, and in many different ways, but the basic message is this:

The Buckeyes only need the kids that really want to be Buckeyes. We don't need guys with indecision in their heart.

Good luck to those that do not, and if we see you in Ohio Stadium (I'm lookin at you Wimbush)...well, I hope you like the sound of a giant bell ringing.

GO BUCKS!

Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes!

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

Florida did not sign a LB in 2014 and before Baker didn't have one in their 2015 class either. That's attractive to anyone who wants to play early, and that's not being "afraid of competition," that just makes business sense.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The negative recruiting is a sales tactic after all. Make your competitors look inferior to increase your market share. I have no doubt Muschump and Dantonio used OSU's depth as selling points for their programs to Baker and Scott. It happens. Has OSU's staff done the same? Probably. We stole Dontre from Oregon and Meechy from Texas. I'm sure there was some serious sales pitching going on there. All's fair in recruiting and war, right?

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

and Meechy from Texas.

Ohio State didn't steal him. Knox decommitted from Texas 3 months before committing to Ohio State.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

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SilverBullet-98's picture

It amazes me people can see this with recruiting but not with media companies like ESPN?

People can't see Espin's version of negative recruiting is biased sports coverage. SEC/ACC can do no wrong, while... well you know the story. Just depends if some wish to continue to ignore and deny a obvious bias to  ABC'S product .... SEC/ACC College Football !!!!

Biased media coverage is a SALES TACTIC' also,!! ESPN and CBS, NBC is selling their product ( SEC-ACC-Notre Dame ) football that makes them the most money. Propaganda is successful when you can't see it or are in denial of it.

"The Past Builds the Future"

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D-Day0043's picture

If the Buckeyes and the B1G start winning some titles, then they will jump on the B1G's bandwagon. It's simple.... Just win.

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TENacious.D's picture

Wow. Common sense and Business sense. Seems to be a lot if that lacking now a days, especially when a commit goes elsewhere. I wish Baker the best of luck. Always support an Ohio kid no matter where he goes... Sans TSUN.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

I just want to congratulate all the rationale and even headed 11W members.  This group overwhelmingly is very supportive of these kids even when they do not pick OSU.  Very mature indeed.  (this is not in italics as I really mean it)

Having said that, when this happens it actually ticks me off.  I know I am in the minority here and rarely post anything outrightly negative or go against the flow, but here goes:

  • I do not wish Baker well.  I don't wish him ill-will or anything like that.  I just forget about him and that name/player likely will never enter my mind the rest of my life
  •  The word I would use when an Ohio HS player that comes from a Region that typically goes to OSU - and said player chooses someone else:  Disloyal.

You bet this is immature and I get it.  Going to have to work on this.  But - ooh, that feels good to finally say it.  And NO I never tweet recruits just keep my thoughts to myself except for this one time

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UrbzRenewal's picture

He's a high school kid who has to pick what's best for him. There is no loyalty at stake, that's ridiculous and classless to say. It's probably a better idea to keep such things to yourself, this is the type of thing that makes Ohio State fans look bad.

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scottyp_330's picture

Come on grow up. You're letting these young kids dictate too much of your attitude. You just wrote a paragraph on how they're dead to you. Just say they're dead to you lol that's sufficient enough lol but I understand all your points just think you're being a little harsh. In the end, it's always GO BUCKS!

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Furious George 27's picture

He didn't say anything about Baker being dead to him, he just said he has no interest on what he does from here on out. Are you going to follow the life and career of Jerome Baker now he is at florida? He just expressed what the majority feel. He made a decision and unless he flips, move to the next player.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Other Disloyal (didn't go to local college), Traitorous 18 year olds -

Raekwon McMillan, Dontre Wilson, Vonn Bell, Craig Krenzel, Michael Jenkins, Eddie George, Ryan Shazier, Bradley Roby, Chris Gamble, Rickey Dudley, Mike Brewster, Terrelle Pryor, David Boston, Shawn Springs, Les Horvath, Pepper Johnson, Will Smith, John Brockington, Pete Johnson, Jim Marshall, Jim Parker, Chick Harley, Carlos Hyde, Malcolm Jenkins, James Laurinaitis and Jack Tatum.

I appreciate your passion, but these kids do what's best for them. If Baker feels he has a great chance to succeed at UF, then good luck to him. However, I hope that NONE of his success comes at OSU's expense. Sorry, but I love to see Ohio kids made good on their dreams, so I hope he become an All-SEC, All-Pro type player. if you disagree, you're entitled. However, try not to be so angry about the decisions of 17 and 18 year old kids.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

Belliott's picture

Does it make good business sense though. A lot of a linebacker's success depends on the DL getting to the QB or taking on blockers. I don't think it's a stretch to say that OSU is a lot better in that department and should be for the next few years. Also the other LBs you play with affect how you play and I think with Raekwon and Hilliard, that would be more enticing as well.

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teddyballgame's picture

LJ Scott seems pretty convinced that MSU is going to offer his brother Isaiah.  I'm guessing that probably had something to do with it as well.
 

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TENacious.D's picture

Get busy living or get busy dying...

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Bucksfan's picture

You can't get everyone and there is only so much space.  Urban Meyer recruits very, very well.  He's attacking the nation's best athletes, not just the ones in Ohio like Tressel did.  He's going to lose some.  I wouldn't sweat it as long as the depth chart is full.

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drtz's picture

What time does Friday Night Lights start on July 25th?

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Personally - I don't fret over who commits or who does not!  I have the utmost faith in Urban and company stocking the OSU cupboards.  I cheer when they commit to OSU and say good luck to those that do not - unless it is to TTUN - then perhaps a profanity is involved!  Nobody knows what pressure is being applied to these kids nor what is in their heads but it is their choice and they need to feel comfortable where they're going to spend the next 4 years!
 

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

We've never had a problem filling our roster. As much as I enjoy all of the coverage we are privileged to on this site, I don't sweat it when targets go elsewhere. Sure it stings losing in state guys, but in the grand scheme of things, we will fill the roster with talent and we will develop this talent. 

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

Yea with the exception of the few years prior to Urban coming here.

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weimerad's picture

Birm, 2 things....1) I still believe that OSU will be able to flip Baker. Staying positive and optimistic on that. And 2) I'm ok with losing out on Daniels because there are a handful of higher ranked OL who have OSU high on their list. I think Burrell and Richmond both end up joining the good guys. If Richmond decides to choose Tenn or Ole Miss you mentioned there's another OL on the radar (can't remember his name)

FROMTHE18's picture

We got Hilliard and Cornell, get over any issues we have with this class. I can't wait to see those two suit up for OSU. And, those who choose OSU, will be Champions. NSD is so far away, chill people, chill. Remember that one time Krenzel was a highly recruited prospect that everyone wanted? Damn, shame we missed out on him. It's college football, well, as i remember it as a kid, anything can happen. Trust Urban and our awesome staff. We, the Buckeye Nation, are one hell of a FAMILY, I'm done with guessing on this 2015 recruiting cycle. Who wants to not only win, but also spend the next 3-4 years of their lives in Columbus, a city I love, and be a part of The Ohio State University, a place that I was, and still am, lucky enough to call home, I will support no matter what the bullshit recruiting services rank them. Go Buckeyes, F Michigan. Braxton Miller et al. lets kick the shit out of the B1G.

Mortc15's picture

I don't entirely fault a kid for going somewhere playing time is immediately available. But at the same time, it makes it appear they don't want to compete for playing time. Each case is unique and time will tell whether the decision was right or not. 

Buck-I4Life

BukFan's picture

Maybe they just like another school/coach/atmosphere better?  Could it be so damn simple?

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Whoa Nellie's picture

Success breeding success is in the title of this article.  But, it seems like the point is that our success on the field breeds failure  in recruiting.  I don't see any evidence of that, even if this guy goes there, and this one comes here.  We're competing for, and signing the best players in the country.  How does success make us worse off?

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

wyatt's picture

If you've seen other school's facilities, you'd be amazed. I've seen both Alabama and Texas and was totally impressed. Playing time, weather, development as a player and relations with coaches all are important.  It would be a difficult decision.

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

Yea I know right. Has anyone seen what A&M is doing to Kyle Field? My God. It is absolutely insane. I believe you can watch the video at www.Kylefield.com. In my opinion I think that Osu should upgrade everything. Our facilities are getting a little out dated. Even the Shoe needs to be upgraded cosmetically. I saw a video of the locker room at the Shoe and unless the video was like 5 years old it was kind of embarrassing. Looks like the same lockers that Woody leaned on while talking to the team in the early 60's. We desperately need to get with the times as far as the in stadium locker room. I would remodel everything in the WHAC too (Yes Again). Make it much more modern cutting edge looking.

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Furious George 27's picture

Apparently you have not seen this:

http://thelantern.com/2014/05/woody-hayes-athletic-center-get-new-fieldt...

As for the stadium locker room, its fine. Players spend 95% of their time at the WHAC. Facilities are a great selling point but not THE selling point. Nike pumps in money to Oregon and they have not had a top 10 class.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

Wesleyburgess1's picture

Yea I am aware of the new renovations at the WHAC. I think it looks great. I just think that the in stadium locker room is the one that needs an update. All and all though we have some great facilities. I just think that with our money we should have the best hands down.

jpbuckeye's picture

It would be interesting if a survey could be done on recruits just after signing day: what made you choose your school. Provide a list of general and agreed upon criteria: distance, friends/family, coaching staff, tradition, comfort/relationships, national titles, bowl wins, early playing time, production of NFL players, facilities, etc. It may be best to have them submitted anonymously but perhaps they could separate the conferences for trending.

It would have to include a large number of subjects to power the survey to be statistically significant. That may provide some base line to debate from.

BAR43's picture

Nothing went "wrong" with these recruits. They simple found better fits or had different objectives than what they felt OSU had to offer. I can appreciate the fact people want to live and die by recruiting, but these ratings are still speculative. Missing out on one kid is not the end of the world, especially when there are others to fill that spot. Every now and then there is the phenom of an athlete that is a game changer, but most of the time there is a kid just as good around the corner.

This is not to say Scott and Baker aren't special, but I don't see a huge disparity between the players we have already at their positions, or hope to get at their positions. We will be just fine without them, and I bet you they will be just fine without OSU... although I think both being at OSU would have been the best for both parties in my scarlet and grey colored glasses!!

Additionally, the idea that Bama or any other program gets every player they want is just ignorant. I typically side on the "epsin" conspiracy, but I think people give too much credit to recruit rankings and Bama in general. Have they done well, yes, but its not the end all be all if you don't get the top 20-25 recruits every year... and last I checked Bama nor anyone else was doing that either. Every program misses top prospect recruits, even in-state guys, its part of the game and there are still 1000's of talented kids that could be just as good if given the chance. So not need to try to understand, its part of life, moving on.

Poison nuts's picture

Someone said it above & I believe this wholeheartedly, of Baker & Hilliard, we got the right guy IMO. That's not sour grapes, because I think Baker is a huge loss, but from looking at Hilliard's tape at least, he is the best LB in this class. Ohio or otherwise.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

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ToetotheFace's picture

Have no problem at all with someone choosing instant play time over program quality. If you aren't absolutely sure you can secure the starting role and you aren't going there because it is you dream/goal, then it is obvious why a recruit would want to go to a team where they still have upside and he has a much better shot at contributing immediately and being an important player during his college career. I know if I thought I could start somewhere in the FBS, and I wasn't an important player off the bench, I would transfer/choose another college as well.

Crimson's picture

I think a lot of recruits see different top programs as relatively close together, and if one offers early playing time, they think that more playing time will make them a better player than if they have a slightly better staff and less playing time.  I'm also not sure this would be incorrect thinking.