Ranking Jim Tressel's Recruiting Classes: No. 11 – No. 6

By Chris Lauderback on June 20, 2014 at 1:00p
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There's no debating Urban Meyer isn't a stronger recruiter than the last iconic coach to roam the sidelines in the Horseshoe but it also can't be argued that Jim Tressel didn't have his fair share of success in attracting future stars to Columbus. 

This fall, the last of Tressel's recruiting classes, those that still remain from the 2011 crop anyway, enter their true-senior seasons looking to cement their place in Buckeye lore.

Yes, there are a handful of redshirts that will be around for another year (though the vast majority won't be legit contributors) and Ryan Shazier has already bolted for the NFL but true seniors Braxton Miller, Michael Bennett, Devin Smith, Jeff Heuerman, Curtis Grant, Doran Grant and a few others have their eyes on the ultimate prize which would go a long way toward strengthening the place in history for Tressel's last class. 

As we near the end of having a roster dotted with legit contributors from the Jim Tressel Era, it feels like a good time to revisit and rank each of his eleven classes from 2001-2011. 

Today, we'll take a look at the classes slotted 11th through 6th with the top five up for review tomorrow morning.

It's a lot of splitting hairs and variances in weighting of factors as I polled five other people with virtually zero consensus outside of the top and bottom slots so I expect plenty of healthy debate. I'm pretty sure I'd rank eight of nine of the classes differently if I tried this exercise a month from now. 

#11 - 2003 CLASS

Jim Tressel's third recruiting class comes in at the bottom of my wildly subjective rankings. The major recruiting services were also less than enamored with this class as Scout slotted the group 25th while Rivals had them 41st in their national rankings behind the likes of Minnesota, Pitt, Maryland, Purdue and Boston College just to name a few. 

A dropoff followed the stellar 2002 class but that's no excuse for what happened during this recruiting cycle. 

Of the 15 players in the class, nine of them were complete busts that didn't even finish their careers at Ohio State headlined by Louis Irizarry and Ira Guilford, the duo who teamed up to beat up and attempt to rob a man on campus. 

Sian Cotton, Marcel Frost, Dareus Hiley, Devin Jordan, Curt Lukens, Brandon Maupin and Reggie Smith were the seven others who failed to have any legit impact on Ohio State football for various reasons ranging from grades to injury to behavioral issues. 

The class also featured a handful of in-state misses headlined by DB Prescott Burgess and LB Shawn Crable, both of which took their talents to Ann Arbor. Brady Quinn was another in-stater that got away but that made sense with 2002 signee Justin Zwick already in-house and considered the quarterback of the future. Of course, that was of zero consequence as it was fellow '02 commit Troy Smith that would eventually lay claim to the position. 

With all the bad surrounding the class of 2003, there was a bit of good as Donte Whitner, Kirk Barton, Anthony Gonzalez, David Patterson, Anthony Schlegel and Ashton Youbouty all had great-to-productive years in Columbus. 

Still, with just six legit contributors out of 15 commits and 60% of them not even finishing their careers at Ohio State, the 2003 group feels like the worst of the Tressel Era. 

#10 - 2007 CLASS

The 15-man Ohio State recruiting class of 2007 was ranked in the mid-teens by the major services and headlined by DB Eugene Clifford out of Cincinnati Colerain. 

Unfortunately, Tressel's top recruit on paper couldn't stay out of the doghouse and was eventually given his walking papers after he allegedly punched two employees at a bar before threatening to retrieve some heat and return to the scene. 

The class was also saddled with James Scott, a corner out of Florida that appeared to be a coup at the time but after he was booted from Ohio State he transferred to Ole Miss and was eventually sent packing from there as well. 

Donnie Evege was a great guy but injuries limited his worth, Nate Oliver was meh, Solomon Thomas had a huge play in the Sugar Bowl win over Arkansas but was a ghost otherwise, Taurian Washington was a name only uttered during a few April's and local product Rocco Pentello made no sense from the get go. 

On the bright side, seven of the 15 signees went on to contribute at varying levels anchored by Cameron Heyward, Dane Sanzenbacher, Brian Rolle and Boom Herron. Brandon Saine, Devon Torrence and Jermale Hines also had their moments in scarlet and gray. 

A ranking of 10th might even feel a little low but the groupings are pretty tight.

#9 - 2009 CLASS

Despite a national ranking of 3rd by Rivals and 1st by Scout, the 2009 crop of 25 incoming Buckeyes was hit hard by early exits as eight signees were either booted or transferred with another forced to take medical hardship (Melvin Fellows) and one more (Adam Bellamy) voluntarily deciding to hang up his cleats. 

Jaamal Berry and Dominic Clarke were both dismissed from the program while Johnathan Newsome, Dorian Bell, Duron Carter, James Jackson, Jordan Whiting and Sam Longo are transferred for a myriad of reasons. 

Zach Boren gets the nod as my favorite player from the 2009 class

Eight players went on to play significant roles, two more saw the field albeit with lackluster results (Pitt Brown and Chris Fields) and another, Jordan Hall, saw the injury bug severely hamper his on-field worth. 

Of the eight players legit players, I'd argue none reached the superstar level though Urban Meyer would beg to differ about John Simon. Don't get me wrong, Simon was a warrior and a leader of epic proportions, I just happen to think his legend is a bit stretched. Zach Boren was also an outstanding leader and anchor of the class thanks in large part to his selfless and highly successful midseason (!) transition from fullback to linebacker when the Ohio State defense was hanging by a thread during the undefeated 2012 campaign. 

The class also anchored one of the most dominant offensive lines in history last year thanks to the exploits of Jack Mewhort, Corey Linsley and Marcus Hall. 

Kenny Guiton was also a throw-in player for the 2009 class and C.J. Barnett was a multi-year contributor. 

If this supersized class did have a true superstar or more importantly didn't have double-digit busts, I'd feel feel comfortable moving it a little higher in the rankings. I know the love affair we all have with the eight significant contributors but in a class of 25, having eight guys contribute at a legit level isn't breathtaking and I can't get over the 10 wasted scholarships. I'm expecting many of you to disagree. 

#8 - 2010 CLASS

Tressel's 2010 class wasn't highly regarded as Rivals tabbed them the 25th best group while Scout pegged them 20th

I believe I can Hyde

The class wasn't exceptionally large at 19 players and it did generate about eight highly unproductive players but of the roughly eight contributors, it boasted legit star power and production from Carlos Hyde, Bradley Roby and Johnathan Hankins. 

The "2nd tier" contributors included Philly Brown and two players under appreciated by many in Andrew Norwell and Christian Bryant (though that changed once he was injured). 

Rod Smith was one of the guys I tabbed as a bust though his story isn't fully written while transfers included Verlon Reed, David Durham, James Louis and Taylor Graham.

Even as I type this I'm debating a flip-flop with 2009 but I'll stick with my guns as this medium-sized class did feature a pretty solid top six. Hyde was the best overall back to come through Columbus since Eddie and though Roby didn't blow us away as a senior, I continue to wonder how much of that was due to the coverage scheme he was forced to play within. 

#7 - 2006 CLASS

The 2006 crop totaled 20 kids and was ranked 12th by Rivals. I like this group based on it's overall depth as 10 of 20 signees became solid contributors with many seeing the field early in their careers. 

The throwaway scholarships in this class belonged to Ray Small, Antonio Henton, Connor Smith, Andy Miller, Walter Dublin, Mark Johnson and Robert Rose. 

Beanie Wells was the runaway headliner of the class and when healthy, he was a sight to behold but the bulk of the value from this group was realized on defense. 

Ross Homan, Kurt Coleman and Chimdi Chekwa were three-year starters for the Bullets while Dex Larimore, Thaddeus Maximus and Tyler Moeller all had their moments. 

Back to offense, Bryant Browning was a three-year starter on the right side of the line. Jack Ballard wasn't targeted much but his hands were legit as evidenced by the grab that made you jump out of your seat in the Rose Bowl win over Oregon. 

#6 - 2001 CLASS

I might admittedly be giving The Vest's first ever recruiting class a few bonus points considering Tressel was hired just weeks before signing day and so many of the 15 kids had a hand in delivering the one and only national championship of my lifetime. 

Ranked 17th by Rivals, the pundits weren't exactly fawning over the class but in the end, 67% of the signees played significant minutes for the scarlet and gray which is right up there with the 2002, 2005 and 2008 classes as the most during Tressel's tenure. 

Nobody looked better in the scarlet and gray than Gamble

The depth of the class was anchored by the indispensable Chris Gamble who arrived at Ohio State out of Fort Lauderdale. His stats weren't gaudy but to watch him was to appreciate how a man could impact the game just by his presence as he played 38 games for the Buckeyes starting 18 on defense and 12 on offense. 

Often times a kicker isn't overly important to a recruiting class but Mike Nugent was different partly because he was a stone-cold and partly because a kicker on a Jim Tressel team takes on a much greater level of significance if backed by an elite defense. As such, Nugent was a two-time All-American and Lou Groza Award winner who broke or tied 22 school records. 

Dustin Fox, like most cornerbacks, took some flak from time to time but he was an incredibly smart player and integral part of the national championship squad. 

Other 2001 signees with key roles on the title team include Simon Fraser, Maurice Hall, Ryan Hamby, Lydell Ross, Marcus Green, Brandon Schnittker, and Chris Vance. 

So there's my shot at ranking the 11th through 6th recruiting classes of Jim Tressel's tenure. Again, I'm still debating the placement of most of these myself so I'm sure you'll have some takes. What say you? 

And be on the lookout for Part Two tomorrow as I continue with the top five classes brought in by The Vest. 

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

There's no debating Urban Meyer isn't a stronger recruiter than the last iconic coach to roam the sidelines in the Horseshoe but it also can't be argued that Jim Tressel didn't have his fair share of success in attracting future stars to Columbus. 

More aggressive? Sure. But when I think of the guys that JT brought to Ohio State, I think some underestimate just how good of a recruiter he was.

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JDunc686's picture

I don't think he is saying JT was a bad recruiter; however, Urban consistently recruits top 5 classes where Tress did not display that consistency

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The Urban Legend's picture

I have no idea what that opening paragraph even means. 

The Legend continues

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avail31678's picture

He's saying Urban is probably a better recruiter, but that his predecessor, JT, also hauled in his fair share of stars and good recruiting classes.

Worded differently, but readable and makes sense to me...

 

EDIT:  Ehhh, you may be on to something there.  "There's no debating Urban Meyer ISNT't...."  I think it should be "There's no debating Urban Meyer IS..."

 

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porkchop's picture

Man I read that paragraph 3 times before I gave up and moved on.

I think this is a good article and it helped me remember just how arbitrary recruiting class rankings can be.

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Chris Lauderback's picture

I shouldn't write articles so late at night or lean on the editor as much as I do. Apologies! I have no problem with criticism so here's an upvote for you all.. 

avail31678's picture

It was a great read.  I loved so many of these guys.

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Come to Ohio State and win on the field and in life.  And so forth...

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scottyp_330's picture

I like it so far! I would personally put 2010 above 2006 but very creative piece. Oh yea and Muck Fichigan!!!!

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Robert Rose, listed as a throwaway (b/c of zero contribution) was an Army AA and 5 star recruit, just like Bell who transferred. Just goes to show you that recruiting is often an inexact science.

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill

jamesrbrown322's picture

Gotta imagine that 2008 is #1 right? Many ppl are down on that class, but they did still accomplish a lot. Tatgate marred their time here, but it could be argued, by Urban supporters, that they're the class that brought in Urban Meyer.

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." - Winston Churchill

robert goulet's picture

I'm guessing the 2002 class wins (Clarett, Mangold, Hawk, Carpenter, Santonio, Troy Smith)

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Dirty419Boy's picture

Rose was a freak coming out of HS. What the heck happened to him?

UFest57's picture

Tooootally forgot about Antonio Henton and his reason for leaving the team...made me chuckle when I remembered why.  

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Furious George 27's picture

Seems like there were a lot of classes where we lost 7-8 players for various reasons, seems really high IMO.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

UrbanPirate's picture

Just go back and look at any top [or bottom, or middle] classes at any school from 5+ years ago. I doubt there's ever been a class that went all the way through without losing half a dozen or more. It's not always negative, just normal attrition. 

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cw823's picture

Cooper was still a way better recruiter than Tressel.  Cooper's recruiting + Tressel's record vs Michigan would be the perfect Frankencoach.

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Hovenaut's picture

Cooper's recruiting

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Tressel's coaching (and all that damage he did to our neighbors to the north)

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SaltyD0gg's picture

I saw Coop at Costco yesterday looking non the worse for wear. Then I nearly threw up when I thought about those heartbreaking defeats with some of the best Buckeye teams you'd ever want to watch.

Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick

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WC Buckeye's picture

I would have wanted to slap him for that, then hug him for the good things he contributed to the program.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

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CGroverL's picture

While I'll just say that I don't believe that Tressel was so bad when it came to recruiting (at Ohio State) when comparing his recruits to Coach Meyer's, I do want to add a couple of 3-star recruits that Tressel took chances on and worked out pretty well. I believe that Tress should get some helmet stickers for his input on giving two 3-star LB's scholarship offers to become Buckeyes...Neither were that fast coming out of high school and they were rated # 30 and #28 according to one of those rating services, plus one was given no rating (in his state) as he came from a strong football state and the other was rated as the 4th best in his state that plays weak football. In the end though...both were 3-star LB's and thank you Jim Tressel for helping do your part in bringing underrated and Buckeye favorites AJ Hawk and James Laurinaitis to The Ohio State University. Anyone can try and do their best to try to bring 4-star and 5-star athletes to come and play football, but it takes true genius to bring a couple of 3-star kids in that end up leading your defenses when your defenses are among the best defenses in the nation.

That is what true scouting is all about...finding the diamonds in the rough. In my 41 years on this earth, Hawk and Laurinaitis were most probably in my top 10 favorite Buckeyes...and these 2 guys were 3-star recruits that made it to the NFL because of Jim Tressel and the Buckeyes' coaching staff.

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!

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UrbanPirate's picture

Maybe you're just complimenting Tressel's talent evaluation skills for finding the 'diamonds in the rough' but I mean, 6 of our current 9 recruits in Urban's class this year so far are 3 stars or less (ratings by Rivals.com). I don't mean to rip your comment (and of course Hawk & Animal speak for themselves), but I don't think signing 3 star prospects is quite the reach you're making it out to be.

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CGroverL's picture

Complimenting Tressel's way of finding "diamonds in the rough" is exactly what I was trying to do. I'm not going to argue about this, but I'm sure that you can easily find members of Buckeye Nation that would agree to Hawk and Laurinaitis being the best players on their teams on either side of the ball. 3-Star LB's don't just fall into your lap as there is a lot of recruiting and scouting that goes into the entire process. My point was simply a Tressel vs. Meyer type of thing as it seems that the article "ripped" Tressel and I think that he deserves way more credit as a recruiter. ESPN, Rivals, and all of the others always seem to pick a #1 recruiting class just as they hand out  very few 4-stars to kids and many less 5-stars as well. It really is a hard way to judge things as recruiters and what Meyer is doing to replace Senator Tressel isn't THAT much better when it comes to overall recruiting. As we all know, a #1 rated class certainly is no guarantee that the #1 rated class is anywhere close to the rating. I just look at Tressel, and his win/loss record as a way of showing just how wrong putting stock in high school players can be.

 

If any coach took a couple of 3-star LB's and turned them into 2 kids that together that were all American 5 times (Hawk's 2 All-American selections were unanimous while Laurinaitis had 3 consensus All-American selections)...then on top of that you add in (together),  a Lombardi Award, 3 Lambert Trophies, a Bronko Nagurski Award, Butkus Award, and a Lott Trophy....I'd have to say those 2 guys were pretty good 3-star Buckeyes and coach Tressel deserves possibly the bulk of their success as he gave them more of a chance than a lot of teams were going to...especially since the computer age has grown immensely and you used to have to actually watch these guys from bleachers. Yeah...Throw Tressel a few more Buckeye Stickers in my book. If you go even farther and see what kind of numbers these two guys are putting up in the pros, I think it is at least CLOSE to say that Senator Tressel played a big part in turning two 3-star high school kids into two of the NFL's best LB's. Meyer may be the best recruiter, but I really think that there is one thing that maybe Tressel did better than Meyer.

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!

UrbanPirate's picture

No doubt.

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ChuckR65's picture

I think Tressel was a better recruiter than Urban. No matter what the star rating of a class, Tressel's classes produced 1 National Title, 3 title appearances, countless awards, and at one point, won or shared 7 straight Big titles. Until Urban can match that at OSU, Tressel rules. Also, Ballard's first name was Jake, not Jack.

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Furious George 27's picture

Cooper's class actually had more of an impact on the first title, as it would have been Tress' class had Meyer had the chance to play in the NCG in 2012. This is really the first season you are actually going to see most of Meyer's recruits taking the field. He recruited heavily on the DL his first season and it was one of the best last year. Tressel had some great accomplishments, but if you are comparing what they have done as coaches at roughly the same time frame as a FBS coach, Meyer has won more titles and 1 against Tressel. Its not as if what Tressel has done is unattainable by Urban.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

ChuckR65's picture

Yes...and Urban's titles had a lot of Zook recruits. This "monster recruiter" left Florida in bad shape when his 5 stars didn't pan out. Tressel, who was more concerned with character than rankings, left OSU with a 12 - 0 team. There's no doubt that Urban can motivate and coach as well as Tressel, but I like JT better as a recruiter.

chicagobuckeye's picture

12-0 team? I think we're forgetting a 6-7 season in there. 

Furious George 27's picture

Ummm, ok and what about Meyer's second title? Pretty sure that second one was pretty much all of his guys. Meyer did not leave florida in bad shape, florida made a bad hire in muschamp.... florida has had 3 OCs in his 3 years there....Doesn't matter who you have when you change the system every year. And you talk about JT concerened more with character.... He had a lot off off field issues as well not including Tatgate. With exception of a couple of players most of the players that have gotten in trouble under Meyer were Tressel recruits. So to say he was above all concerned w/ character is make believe. I think JT was a very good coach and was a good recruiter, but he is definately not at the same level based on recruiting rankings. You are looking at the best DL in the country and 1 is a Tressel recruit, the LB corp beside RDS was under performing and lacked depth along with the secondary in which Meyer had been attacking in the last two recruiting cycles. If you haven't noticed, JT's last couple of classes had a high amount of players leaving the program, so to say that the cupboard was stocked when Meyer arrived is not true.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

CGroverL's picture

In my opinion, winning a Div. I-AA National Title is in a few ways much harder than winning a Div. I-A Title (FBS National Title) and may be for a while. Let's not forget that Tressel won FOUR Div. I-AA National Championships while at Youngstown State. The way I see it, the score is 5-2 in Tressel's favor when it comes to National Titles. I also think that Tressel's titles were harder to win (the 4 in Div I-AA)...in those title runs, Tressel had to play against top tier teams even though they weren't in the harder division and each round normally would put Tressel's YSU team against a tougher team than they played in their previous game. Odds are that it is harder to win an FCS title than an FBS title.

I don't think that what Tressel did is unattainable for Meyer...but the odds are stacked way against Meyer in my opinion. Also, in my opinion...Meyer would have to win 3 more National Titles...and I still would believe that Tressel's Div. I-AA titles were all harder to win than both of Meyer's titles simply because of the playoffs that Tressel's teams had to go through just to get to their title games.

Let's also not forget that Meyer was playing with Zook's players in 2006 and Zook's (9) 5th year seniors in 2008...the 2 seasons where Meyer won his 2 titles.

"I hope they're last in everything"

Thanks, Urb!

Furious George 27's picture

So you are crediting him with being a better coach by winning 4 Div 1-AA titles because it is harder to do so than the BCS title? If that was the case, then why did he only win 1 at OSU? If anything you made a case for him being an under achieving coach if it is so much easier to win a D-1 title. There is a reason why the same schools are in the championships in FCS, D-II and D-III.... All of the good players left go to the top school in those divisions.... The playoffs still have huge blowouts except for the final which is usually between the same teams every year. There is a reason why you have heard of Mount Union, Grand Valley and Montana.... They are always there. BTW listing 9 fifth years seniors in 2008 does not tell me anything, its a pretty good bet that if you are a SR and have been there for 5 years you are probably not a starter. I know that the stars were not Zook's players.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

You could argue however that under the structure of the big 10 that Tressel won those under, urban would be 2 for 2 with two NCG appearances with two undefeated regular seasons. 

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Especially given the fact that the strategy was Dave Dave Dave Punt Defense Punt Dave Dave OMG-Holy-Buckeye Kickoff Defense Punt Dave Dave Dave Punt.

jimdl's picture

I take offense to your wording on the 10 wasted scholorships on the 2009 class. I don't think as a parent you would feel that your kid was a waste. Not all pan out that is so true, but I highly doubt your picks could fair better.  Each kid is different and you make thebest guess with the info you have. The coaches know so much more than you could and it's still a risk. They are not wasted- just because they didn't pan out

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Chris Lauderback's picture

I hear you, Jim. I didn't mean my comments to come off as harsh. I'm saying "wasted" truly from an evaluation of how a particular kid produced on the field. That said, if you get kicked off the team like Berry and Clarke, I'd still say that's a wasted scholarship. If you transfer either because you weren't good enough to see the field or because you were in the doghouse and on your way out like some of the others in that 2009 class, it's hard to argue that the scholarship wasn't wasted. The point of the article wasn't to infer I could do better. I'm just trying to evaluate the production of each player in each class so I can try to rank them against each other in totality. 

In all sincerity, I'm curious as to what you'd call those besides a waste? 

BroJim's picture

Agreed, Jim. Thanks for saying something (Chris as well). 

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AndyVance's picture

When you look at the number of busts in some of these classes, it's no wonder that the recruiting hysteria of today drives so many of us "old timers" up the wall...

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Poison nuts's picture

I'm not sure it's not worth debating actually. There's no debate whatsoever that the biggest contributors so far in UFM's tenure...have been Tressel's guys. That'll have to change soon enough but almost every player who did something great in the past 2 years are guys who James Patrick brought in.

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Stoicpaisano's picture

Not sure how 2004 makes a top 5 list...only 15/25 finished school and 5 were drafted (counting Brandon Underwood). That looks very 2009-ish to me, other than 2004 having a superstar in Ginn.

I'd have to think 2005 slots in second behind 2002...16/19 finished at OSU or left early for the NFL. Seven draft picks plus three guys who have legit four-year careers as UDFAs (Anderson Russell, Cordle, Boone).

BroJim's picture

Love Chris Gamble!

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trigg03's picture

For some reason I always thought the majority of his classes were ranked a lot higher?? I know there were a few that were smaller which kept them from being ranked higher but they were full of talent. Hind sight is always 20-20 so I don't feel you can hold it against the h.c. when kids transfer or don't cut it for whatever reason. They all were given the same opportunities and its on the players what they did with them. Not the coaches.

Fear The Elf's picture

Dareus Hiley was probably the best Glenville kid I've ever seen. Too bad he never got it together off the field.

DC-town's picture

It's a good reminder that its a numbers game...we're going to lose almost an entire class every four years to transferring, knuck-headery, prostitute solicitation, breaking and entering, etc-

we all like to look at star rankings as its an easy measuring stick, but good character goes a long way to ensuring these guys get the four or five years to contribute-

and not be 'wasted' (good word, not offensive in the context of grading recruiting classes, don't be so sensitive)

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ButerCo.buckeye's picture

Can't help but think Luke Kuechley (Cincinnati St. X) and Chris Borland (Kettering Alter) weren't even offered scholarships during the recruiting of the 2009 class.......I'd drop the class down further for that reason alone. 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Chris Borland was a Badger fan. :/

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AGAB's picture

Tress accomplished more with less. Urban's recruiting classes may be ranked higher, but where is the reward ? No B1G championship and no BCS victory. 

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CPDenn's picture

He's had one chance at each. Not much he could have done in 2012 given we couldn't play in the B1G title or any bowl game.

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irishfury's picture

Urban took over one of the worst OSU football teams I have seen in my years of fandom to an undeafeted season.  Well feel short last year but made it to a BCS bowl.  24-2 with mostly someone else recruits pretty darn good.  Words can't explain to me how silly this post is.   We havnt even seen an OSU team with mostly Urban guys yet.

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CPDenn's picture

Hey did you guys know that AJ Hawk was a three-star recruit if you didn't yeah AJ Hawk was a three-star recruit. that proves recruiting is an inexact science and you never really know. stars are stupid.

 

Some people on here act like Tress is the only coach in college football history to get something out of a three-star or less kid. Being rated a three star isn't a knock or disrespect on the player, y'all. Given how many kids are playing HS football that graduate each year, it's pretty damn good. For anyone bringing up that the last two years have been Tress' players, do you truly believe that Tressel and his coaching staff lead this team to a 24-2 record the last two seasons? I would highly doubt that. The same can be said for the impact Cooper recruits had on the 2002 team. He doesn't lead that team to a title. JT did.

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UrbanPirate's picture

Exactly. Anyone know how hard it is to even be tabbed as a 3 star prospect? I played football in high school with a kid who played like a man amongst boys (which I suppose was actually pretty true most of the time) and eventually went on to be a solid DE at MSU, and he was a low 2 star. I remember thinking back then that you must be some sort of superhuman freak to garner anything higher than that. Patience, work ethic, and character have a lot more to do with a young prospect's future potential than star ratings do.

(Great article by the way, love these hypothetical historical debates to start getting sharp for the season!)

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Buckeyevstheworld's picture

 For anyone bringing up that the last two years have been Tress' players, do you truly believe that Tressel and his coaching staff lead this team to a 24-2 record the last two seasons?

Yes. And I don't think he would have lost to MSU in the BigTen title game.

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CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

Still some good classes in this group as well.