On Commenting

February 21, 2013 at 10:31a    by Jason Priestas    
256 Comments

Yesterday, comments on two topics – President Obama speaking at Ohio State's commencement and Gene Smith's interview with Outsports – started innocently enough, quickly turned into a brawl and ended with Brick Tamland killing a man with a trident.

As a community, we're better than that.

While we strive to be apolitical and do our best to avoid social issues, we don't want to be the Ohio State site that has to avoid covering news of a sitting President speaking to graduating students or the school's athletic director giving a major interview on LGBT rights. It's a disservice to our readers and doesn't jive with our mission of covering Ohio State athletics and major university events.

Our coverage of the Obama announcement was impartial, apolitical and strictly fact-based. If you put 11W in a time machine and took us back to 2003, we'd run the same thing if George Bush agreed to give a commencement speech at Ohio State. (We'd also likely be spending a lot of time fighting off Miami trolls and their cries of pass interference.)

Regardless of whether you like the man or not, it is big news when the President of the United States agrees to speak at your school's commencement. If you can't respond to this news without sharing your political views on the man – good or bad – consider saving everyone the trouble and just skipping the story. If you do want to wade into the comments, know that they will be free of political chatter. We have a long history of removing comments that stray to either side of the political spectrum and you saw some of that yesterday as comments mentioning "Obummer" or "Faux News" were removed with equal prejudice.

Smith's interview was just as big. I know that I had no idea he had a lesbian daughter before yesterday and some of the things he had to say, along with the "You Can Play" initiative are important and long overdue. If covering that interview and applauding Ohio State's stance of inclusion makes us a pro-gay site, then I guess we're a pro-gay site. To us, it boils down to equality and the right to pursue happiness and we're all for that.

We understand that you have choices with where you choose to go to get your Buckeye news. If our coverage of these issues means you don't want to participate in this community or can't do so without violating our commenting policy, we probably aren't a good fit for each other.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and thank you for making 11W the bustling Buckeye sports bar that it is.

Jason


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d1145fresh's picture

This is what makes 11W the best Ohio State website since well ever. 

BUCKI4LIFE's picture

Loved the site...bye bye

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

No need to downvote, don't be a bitter ex-girlfriend.  Respect this person's opinion and let them go.

Read my entire screen name....

GoBucks713's picture

That means more room on the servers for Hodge and GSW and Grey Box. And apparently my dumb computer posting scUM one time for each yard Eddie had against Illinois.

-The Aristocrats!

703Buckeye's picture

Isn't he still running? ;)

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

GoBucks713's picture

.....and I think I'm still pasting scUM on that post.

-The Aristocrats!

BlueBayou's picture

and I'm still looking for that darn picture.

BUCKI4LIFE's picture

Jason,
Please remove my account.
Thanks

UrbzRenewal's picture

Just don't login? Seems to make more sense, since you're voluntarily quitting the site.

Lincoln's picture

Thanks Jason.
Lets go back to our regular scheduled programming, being a huge sports nerd leaves me with very little time to think about politics.
There are 2 sides to this world and you are either with us or against us.
OSU or Meatchicken.
 
Ok I lie, I also really care about who will take power next in Game of Thrones.

GoBucks713's picture

I always think of 11W as a bar, and there's two things you don't talk about in a bar, Politics and Religion. 'Nuff Said.

-The Aristocrats!

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Agree .... unless you are in the majority and/or you are the bartender (moderator).
If you are the bartender/owner and you have a picture of the Pope behind the bar, then you implicitly let it be known that patrons can feel safe in supporting Vatican I (but watch out for Vatican II)
Any time someone mentions Victor Emmanuel, the bartender rings the bell, everyone cheers, and drinks are on the house.  But anyone who mentions Mrs. Berlasconi's wife, they get catcalled and service is cut off

BucksfanXC's picture

I also saw in the forums a plea to be mature and not use the "scUM" moniker for Michigan. Yesterday around here depressed me, because there was a lot of, "I thought we were better than that, and I guess I've been proven wrong."

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

703Buckeye's picture

This is why I love 11W, the feeling of community and general respect for others on the site. Sure, I've had disagreements with people on here but this is by far the best site for OSU sports news, bar none.

 

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

JozyMozy's picture

I avoided those posts for this exact reason. Thanks for reminding everyone- again-how to behave regarding issues like this, Jason. I've only been here since early 2011, and I've seen the zero tolerance policy on religion/politics mentioned at least 6 times.
ps- Sports!

NoVA Buckeye's picture

I saw that, Brick killed a guy!

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Squirrel Master's picture

That sure got outta hand! It really ramped up there at the end!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Bucksfan's picture

This website is a website dedicated to a university's sports teams.  Universities are communities that have traditionally been way ahead of the curve on inclusiveness, freedom to pursue education of your choice, and diversity.  The issue of gay athlete inclusion IS political, whether you choose to call it that or not.  Just like Title IX.  Just like sterioid testing.  I could go on.  That doesn't make it a bad thing to discuss.  That doesn't make it worth avoiding on this site.  It's a political issue that directly relates to what this site decides to cover.  90-95% of people who commented on it agree and are impressed by OSU's courage.

chicagobuckeye's picture

I agreed with you until the discussion part. Please these are the comments that seem innocuous enough, but light the fire. Someone could take this the wrong way and criticize your comment especially with the 90-95% comment.

Doc's picture

You beat me to it Chicago.  Just because "90-95%" of the posts favor one topic over another doesn't mean that is the temperature of the room.  Many of us could be holding our tongue.

"Say my name."

Lincoln's picture

I thought this site was dedicated to people changing icons? :)

Bucksfan's picture

First rule of Icons is that you do not talk about Icons.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Not sure that James Meredith would agree with you about Universities being avant garde. 

Gametime's picture

Well  honestly Jason & 11W staff, you can't operate on a double standard like that. Report the news & disable the comments from the jump when it touches something even remotely related to politics/religious/moral issues. 

This way you still accomplish your goal of reporting university happenings without bootstrapping your posters who happen to disagree with the topic at hand. 

That's the only way to be truly fair to everyone, rather than just allowing people who are indifferent or supportive to have an opinion, just kill that at the gate.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Doc's picture

Very well put.  Killing the comments before they start is the only way to keep it in center field.  We all are adults on here, we know what topics are "political" and what aren't.  the discussion won't flow over into other threads if there is no discussion at all. 

"Say my name."

BucksfanXC's picture

You can't disagree with facts. Gene Smith said something. That is a fact, you can't disagree with it. If they locked things automatically after posting they would be stating it as a viewpoint. They left it open to discussion because, dispute the outcome, it is possible to discuss it, in context, without getting political. That didn't happen and they had to lock it, but it doesn't mean they should have locked it from the start.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

chicagobuckeye's picture

BucksFan, if the locked it after posting it, it is the exact same thing as has been done now. I don't see Jason, Ramzy, or anyone else then inputting their personal opinion. Its also not a viewpoint, but a piece of news. Maybe between two face to face, rational people it may be possible to not call it a political/religious issue, but it is impossible to assume faceless/nameless commentors are going to have a rational discussion without bringing in politics.

Doc's picture

Like it or nor but homosexuality is a political/religious topic.  I have very strong feelings about it.  Having the ability to discuss it will cause a break in the policy.  Either agreeing with the topic or not is a break of the policy.

"Say my name."

dbit's picture

I agree with you, Doc.  It's very difficult for folks to not reply with their own comment/opinion when they see someone agree or disagree with the video because they infer part of that person's political views from it.  

USMC11917's picture

This I whole heatedly agree with and have you am accidental down vote. Ill make it up to you on another post.

btalbert25's picture

It is to you, but not to others.  People can make ANYTHING (and some people do) a religious or political issue. 

Doc's picture

Come on BT give me a break.  I understand anything can be made into something political/religious, but there is no reason to intentionally poke the bear.

"Say my name."

btalbert25's picture

I'm just saying to everyone this isn't a political or religious issue.  I don't look at gay friends or family and despise them because of their political agenda(which none that I know have one anyway they just live normal lives like me).  I don't even think about morality.  I just think about hanging with my friends or being happy to see a cousin who lives out of town.  
To me, they are just people, so it is completely reasonable for me to say it is not a political or religious issue.  It just isn't to me.   To you it is.  

BucksfanXC's picture

That's where I keep getting stuck. Homosexuality isn't political. Is race political? Is sex political? Is eye color? Height? Weight? Pants length? No, none of that is political. I fail to see how, standing alone, what Gene said was political.
Why you agree or disagree with what he said might be political/religious. I understand that. But that's why 11W should be able to post the story and it is possible for there to be comments that don't touch on politics or religion.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Gametime's picture

You can't disagree with facts. Gene Smith said something. That is a fact, you can't disagree with it. If they locked things automatically after posting they would be stating it as a viewpoint. They left it open to discussion because, dispute the outcome, it is possible to discuss it, in context, without getting political. That didn't happen and they had to lock it, but it doesn't mean they should have locked it from the start.

 
You're dealing with technicalities & semantics with this argument. It's a fact Gene said something, who's disagreeing with that? But one CAN & WILL agree, disagree, or be indifferent with the SUBJECT of what he said. That is also a fact.
It's also a fact that you can't just put politics in a box as if it only pertains to talking about the government structures and/or it's figureheads. Politics is "of, for, or relating to citizens." Reporting about acceptance of LBGTQ athletes via institutional agenda IS a sociopolitical issue and the discussion that would follow, in context, would be of the same vein regardless if it's in support or disdain. 

In the interest of fairness, allowing people to voice their opinions either way, shouldn't be permitted at ALL, via the 11W commenting policy in general.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Doc's picture

In the interest of fairness, allowing people to voice their opinions either way, shouldn't be permitted at ALL, via the 11W commenting policy in general.

Nailed it!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

"Say my name."

hodge's picture

I really think that part of the problem lies in the fact that responding to the "news" aspect always carried an implicit moral (and political) stance, at least in the eye of part of the commentariat.  Therefore, anything could be colored as a "political" response, even if no stance was explicitly articulated.  I also don't believe that opinions of Gene's comments necessarily should be seen as "political" responses--seeing that the support of LGBT athletes and combating bullying within an environment that's been long-known to be hostile to them exists entirely outside the bounds of the political spectrum--though that doesn't stop people from viewing them that way.
DOC and I discussed this earlier, but part of the issue with a contrarian response to Gene's comments is that one had to take great care as to not be construed as supporting homophobia.  I don't think anyone here really condones bullying on any grounds, but damn near every single contrarian response was, at least in some way, inflammitory.  That's why so much of the response appeared to be single-minded, especially since--like BUCKSFANXC mentions--the news was already of a singular viewpoint.

Doc's picture

Hodge, thanks for the clarification.

"Say my name."

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Understood and agreed, Hodge.
So your solution is to post the news, and then allow only those who support the news, which would obfuscate the fact that the news centered on a political issue which is at or near the center of the culture war?

hodge's picture

False.  My solution is to do what many, many have recommended previously on this site, and if you're going to disagree, do it eloquently enough to not appear incendiary.  Far too many people didn't do that beforehand, and were downvoted because of it.
I personally hate one-sided discussions, and there is merit to another side in this debate, but to take that other side, one has to take great care to not be construed as supporting the terrible deeds that "Homophobia" has come to define.  I fully understand and accept that many people on this site may have a different opinion than Gene Smith on that issue, and while there is room for the "Does this have a place in today's sports?" question, the argument cannot descend into the merits of or against homosexuality.  
Personally, I supported Gene's comments not because of my political ideals (which I will not mention here), but because I think taking a stand against any kind of bullying is worthy of celebration--that's merely my interpretation.

BUCKfutter's picture

Well said Hodge.
 
The one comment I will make in this entire saga is this (busy day at work yesterday so I missed the whole thing).  It's tough to pass a story off as "news" when it contains a sentence like this:

Kudos to Smith for doing this.

Not going to say which side of these issues I come down on (let's just say I'm a live and let live kind of guy) but that's my two cents.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

hodge's picture

Again, I interpreted it more as taking a stand against bullying than anything else--which I fully believe is deserving of praise--but you are indeed right, that could be construed as "bias".  My interpretation is that they were merely celebrating our AD taking a stand against discrimination.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good comment, Hodge. My concern/complaint about how such topics tend to be rhetorically policed only very indirectly implicates 11W's editorial policies . . .
From my perspective, most things in life are "political" to some extent or another (btw, I could just as easily be responding to Gametime, who made a similar comment above probably better than I will). Depending on whatever are the dominant, "establishmentarian" cultural outlooks/interpretations, particular perspectives on certain topics are established to be non- or apolitical, whereas opposing (non-establishmentarian) perspectives on the same topics become "political." Logically, it shouldn't be the case that the statement "A" is not political but the statement "not-A" is political, but that's often the way it is. 
Again, that observation is in no way "picking on" 11W, which handles such problems much better than most media outlets/discussion communities. However, it's still tiresome to hear that espousing establishmentarian views supposedly remain safely inside the bounds of acceptable discourse because they are so obviously appropriate, self-evident, and normal as to be devoid of "political" content.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Not only is "not-A" deemed political, but so is:
"Yes, 'A', however some folks believe "not-A";
"Yes, 'A', but you do realize that 'A' is political, yes?;
"Yes, 'A', but blind, vocal support of 'A' makes some uncomfortable, and others, including supporter of 'A' don't think this is the appropriate forum for blind, vocal support of 'A';
"Yes, 'A' but by focusing on 'A', we may lose sight of 'Alpha' and 'Omega' which are equally or more important issues to me;
"No, I think "A" is misguided, wrongheaded and completely antithetical to everything I stand for (though I do not support bullying of 'A' supporters), and what I believe is the foundation of Western Civilization and the United States of America."
 
The last category of folks tend to be rigid and doctrinaire, but so too, frankly do the folks on the other side of the culture war.  Not sure whether the 'A' supporters were always like that, or I suspect, became that way by virtue of having to deal with the rigid opposition, but the effect is the same.
No rational thought sought, supported or TOLERATED by either side.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good points - I've observed many examples of what you outline above. 

Jack Fu's picture

I think I agree with Gametime. Report on things that are newsworthy and if it's political in nature either disable the comments from jump street or allow everything and let people decide what they like or dislike and agree or disagree with. Judging by the commenting policy, the former seems to be the obvious way to go.

dubjayfootball90's picture

wow, I did not even notice. Went back  to check those threads and DAMN. one comment basically started a storm of fire, acid rain and beiber cd's. Its amazing lookg back at the threads and watching them snowball into an uncontrollable monster, such as:
 

 
damn that's scary

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

MN Buckeye's picture

+1 for the bieber cd reference

Unky Buck's picture

storm of fire, acid rain and beiber cd's

Oddly enough, the Beiber CD's are the worst part of that. Patrick Carney agrees.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I still hate TTUN more than any politician.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

UrbzRenewal's picture

If it's OSU related, I love reading 11W's objective coverage of it. Thanks for the good work, you guys.

buckeyefanatic's picture

Personally, this is my take on it. 

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

Ohio State Ombre's picture

well articulated and glad that anything ohio state can be talked about without a political/religous war. love this site and will for as long as it stays around! Not to mention we need to focus all of our hate on scUM, espn, and the SEC

billy04's picture

Respect the basement. Nice work, Jason & company.
The only place to be
is on the right side of history.

 

OSUAndy07's picture

Look, we all love OSU on this site (except for the occasional scUM fan/troll). We just had a little dustup. Let's get back to doing what we all love: talking about OSU/hating scUM.

"But I'm tryin' Ringo. I'm tryin', real hard, to be the shepherd"

dan_isaacs's picture

There is always the OZONE off-topic forum if you want to hate on gays or liberals.  

Then you can come back here for talk about The Ohio State University.  ;)

Dan Isaacs

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Oh dear...the memories.
 
I didn't think it was at all hard to process the two stories from yesterday without violating the comment policy every which way, but as anyone who has been on Facebook knows, it only takes a few with no politeness boundaries to ruin things.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Riggins's picture

Again, I don't understand the outrage.
Smith wants gay athletes to feel accepted at Ohio State.  This should not be controversial.  Student athletes of any gender/race/religion/sexual orientation should feel welcome.  You don't have the right to deny anyone access to a public university.  It is tremendously sad that any of you would feel uncomfortable cheering for Ryan Damn Shazier if he was homosexual. 
The sitting president of the United States has singled out The Ohio State University as warranting his attention.  That is huge.  It doesn't matter if it's Obama, Clinton, Bush, or Christie.

USMC11917's picture

If Ryan was a homosexual I would have no problem cheering for him. That being said I wouldn't want to shower with him. I am a damn fine man I tell you. Humor aside, there is a reason I don't shower in the ladies room. If the segregation isn't about sexual preference then why separate them?

WC Buckeye's picture

Sports, love, sex, race, gender, and our beloved university and its employees and students are all intimately intertwined, folks. We are people - men and women of all races, shapes, sizes, preferences and politics - who have our own opinions about these things, and where we have to draw the line on discussing them is where a conversation becomes a personal affront on our fellow participants. When that line is crossed, and only then, is where I think 11W should step in and censor anything. On this side of that line, though - mind your manners in a fashion that is acceptable to others, think before you typeblast, and represent yourself with dignity. Or leave.
GO BUCKS.

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

cplunk's picture

I come to this site to avoid politics. Therefore, when I see posts or topics about Gay rights or Obama visiting campus or any other semi-political post, I avoid that post like the plague.
I slipped up once, in a post about guns, and that slipup was even with me trying very, very hard to make my comment as non-political as possible. That slipup reiterated to me that my policy of avoidance was a wise one.
 

abrahajc's picture

yep, I believe separation of sports and state should be in the bill of rights also.

JoeinCbus's picture

Vote with your mouse (feet).  I shall.

abrahajc's picture

As a voice of reason, what did you expect in posting something like this?  Has the name "Obama" ever been spoken without a heated exchange of words following?  I'm not justifying anyone's reactions or stating my beliefs, but it may be incumbent on the site to have a little foresight--possibly disabling comments on an article such as that could be a good idea if you are going to be overly-sensitive to what readers say.
 
Be smart about stuff.
 
Let the downvotes ensue.

Johnny Ginter's picture

my two cents:

i have been writing for/commenting on 11W longer than almost anyone. i registered as "bup bup bup" like six years ago, and since that time i've commented on or written literally hundreds of posts on this site.

never in that time have i thought that 11W was pushing some kind of agenda, from any side of the political spectrum, on anyone. when jim tressel gave an interview to a gay publication, i was angry that we didn't cover it more extensively than we did, not because i am a supporter of gay rights (although, full disclosure, i totally am), but because it was newsworthy.

the president speaking at a commencement is newsworthy. gene smith talking about his LGBT daughter and an OSU effort to be more inclusive is newsworthy. urban meyer's week three depth chart is newsworthy.

what kind of news organization would we be if we started to report on some newsworthy items but not others simply we didn't want to bruise someone's pride? how can we, in any way, present ourselves as an honest an objective informational site if we avoid talking about legitimate and significant news in a straightforward manner?

we can't, and as long as i'm one of the guys helping to decide the direction of this site, i'm going to make sure that we're above whatever pettiness leads people to cover their ears and eyes because there's something happening that they don't want to know about.

simply put: we will report on what is news. we owe you that.

abrahajc's picture

From your "About" section:
 
"One of the Top 10 College Football Blogs." – Sports Media Challenge
"... one of the best blogs around ..." – Smart Football
"... Eleven Warriors, which is the best Ohio State blog going ..." – Cleveland Plain Dealer
"Begin with Eleven Warriors, which is absolutely superb – it's one of the very elite college football sites." – Pre-Snap Read
"... they set themselves apart with the quality of their writing." – The Columbus Dispatch
 
The site is recognized for its reporting on sports (namely football).  None of these comments relate to political reports.  I am sure I am not alone in asking the site to continue with reporting on sports and minimize reporting of other issues.  

Johnny Ginter's picture

if you think that our football head coach or athletic direction giving interviews amounts to political reporting rather than sports reporting, then we're at an impasse. because in my mind, any relevant news item involving our athletic department is a sports news item, and therefore worthy of reporting.

the good news is that it's entirely up to you to agree with us on this, and ultimately it's up to you to decide how you want to get your sports information. i will say that you'll find very few OSU news sites that don't consider gene smith talking about LGBT issues in sports a worthy news item.

Doc's picture

I agree that Gene's announcement is "news" worthy and should be covered, just lock the comments.  I'm still trying to figure out how the POTUS reading at graduation is sports related.  Still "news", but not sports.  Again, just lock the comments.

"Say my name."

chitown buckeye's picture

I'll make an argument, Here you go...
The news of the sitting POTUS is giving the commencement address is noteworthy on this site and any site for that matter, because it shows the draw power of OSU. Political views aside the POTUS coming to OSU keeps the university in the national spotlight. Much like when Urban had ESPN behind the scenes of our spring camp. It keeps OSU in the news. It keeps people discussing OSU. You may not think it plays a role in a recruits mind but how can you be sure? I think young kids who arent political minded yet would see this as something very unique and cool. Thus, making their interest in OSU go up. Its not about some political agenda, it is simply respecting the office of the POTUS.  I bet if you asked the young crop of recruits that just signed to play football here and other 16-17 year old athletes and scholars around the country what they thought of the POTUS giving the commencement address, I'm sure the majority of them would think its cool. It's another sell to great young athletes and scholars to show them how relevant OSU is to the country. If it sways one great athlete to OSU or brings to OSU one great young mind, I think it is worth all of us putting our political views aside to let the news be posted.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

dancorona5's picture

Can you really not recognize that all they did was report on some big Ohio State news?

hodge's picture

Sure, Eleven-Dub may be known as one of the best College Football Blogs around, but that's only because their writing is largely centered around Buckeye Football.  But, at the same time, that doesn't mean that they ignore the basketball team, or other sports ("Around the Oval"), or the big-time news that concerns the University or its Athletic Department.  Regardless of your opinion on Smith's comments or Obama's commencement speech, they're both newsworthy reports of the Athletic Director's initiative and of sitting president's commitment to delivering a Spring Commencement speech.  If you don't like that they report on it, just ignore those articles; your pageviews provide the strongest opinion of all.

AJBor41's picture

Technically, out of the 5 reviews you quoted, only 2 mention sports.  It can be inferred that "Smart Football" was merely looking for football information as well, but their review simply says "one of the best blogs around."

popeurban's picture

Very well put Johnny. 

LABuckeye's picture

It was probably apparent on the other thread, but for the record, as a site member, I agree with your two cents completely (though I think your thoughts are worth more than two cents)...

Gametime's picture

I don't believe there are many making the argument that it's not newsworthy. But there seems to be a growing consensus among the more reasonable that you guys should just disable comments when you do report that news that is politically/religiously/morally charged.
Just don't do it. Solves a plethora of problems that ensue.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Johnny Ginter's picture

yeah, that's a whole other issue and one i kind of agree with you on (although it makes me kind of sad). we'll definitely be talking about it

LABuckeye's picture

The question, I would think, is whether 11W is willing/able to commit the resources to police posting on threads like the two from yesterday. I don't feel that posting comments should be disabled, because commenting within the guidelines is certainly a possibility and the onus should be on the site member to not violate the site's guidelines. Sadly, that seemed difficult for several. Of course, it was obvious as soon as both were posted where the comments could end up (and did end up) going, but just because something could be controversial doesn't mean commenting properly shouldn't be allowed.

Doc's picture

LA, I think the point a lot of us are trying to make is that ANY type of post to the thread IS a violation of the political/religious policy.  Agreeing is as bad as disagreeing.  Not giving us the choice to comment is the most logical answer.

"Say my name."

Poison nuts's picture

My supporting OSU for supporting equality amongst student athletes is not political. Responding to a post about it is not political. Ones sexual orientation is made political by those who CHOOSE to make it political. Lock threads because something might be construed as political? Please don't let that happen here. Should I also be locked up because I thought about breaking the law once? I hate this whole fight is happening. I wish not to get into a fight with anyone, but I will say again that the issue of OSU supporting equal rights for all student athletes is not a political stance until you make it one. Basic equalities are the foundation of a free society regardless of which political party you claim as your own.
Edit: what I really wanted to say about this original post is screw those Miami fans! That shit was interference!!! OSU won fair & square. Porter just waited too damn long to make a decision!

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Doc's picture

I don't think anyone is saying equality isn't the right thing.  We ALL should be treated equally.  I think that there are people on this site, I am one, that don't think the homosexual lifestyle needs to be singled out specifically.  I assumed they were being welcomed with open arms already.  Making a statement is a political move that Smith and the University were making. 

"Say my name."

Poison nuts's picture

I took what OSU did more as leadership than politics. Are they intertwined? They can be...whether this was or not I suppose is up to each of us to decide. I decided they took a public stand for the rights of athletes to be treated fairly. Nothing more, nothing less. My opinion of Gene Smith makes no never-mind here. 
Hopefully, students were already being accepted regardless. However, as you said, before it was assumed. Now it is known.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

penult's picture

I think the few of you are over thinking it a little. Some good points are made, to be sure.  However, not every post to those two threads was political or an agreement /disagreement. For example, wondering if traffic will be an issue, comparing to similar instances where traffic was not an issue, noting how many students were in the graduating class are examples of apolitical posts. Personally, I found several posts like those to not only be apolitical, but also valuable information. In my opinion it would be a shame to exclude all of that because a few people rush to insert a political opinion. I think this community is, on the whole, a rather mature community and capable of refraining from spiraling into a chaotic and pointless rage of Internet ego.
 

BucksfanXC's picture

@Penult - This is a classic case of the upvote not being enough. 100 upvotes is not enough. I would mail you a dollar, this comment was so good. Know that.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

penult's picture

LOL, thanks BUCKSFANXC. I wondered if others were thinking the same thing.

Poison nuts's picture

Great comment Penult! 

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

btalbert25's picture

Johnny, I agree it is sad.  Kind of marks the end of the era where 11W had a great insightful group of readers and contributors that could disagree, but still show each other respect.  It's a sign of 11W, getting a little closer to that sewer that is the rest of the internet.

LABuckeye's picture

BT - I am hoping that 11W doesn't approach the sewer, but I can see where you are coming from. I have been here a long time, but don't comment as often now because of the number of trollish and/or non-respectful posts. It is true that the moderating is about as well done as it can be and the vote system (which I have mixed feelings about) does help to take care of those problems pretty quickly, but with the sheer volume of folks on here now there are going to be unpleasant comments in greater frequency and viewing that stuff can make a given site visit less enjoyable.
I come here to read news about my University's athletics and discuss that with others - respectfully - and not to go through comments and feel bad about the state of the world when people can't disagree respectfully and feel the need to sling insults. I guess the solution could be to read the news and not read the comments, but I enjoy reading what my fellow community members say when they are respectful to each other, including when their thoughts are different than my own.

Doc's picture

Well said LA.  The beauty of this site is the respect most of us have for one another.  We might not always agree on every single topic, but we usually respect each others opinions.  The larger the site gets the longer it should be able to be a free site, but also the more likely it will be for the riffraff population to increase.  I too enjoy reading the comments.  It gives me a feeling of what the pulse of Buckeye nation may be.  Plus I learn a bunch of stuff too.

"Say my name."

Nappy's picture

Bingo!  I wish I could upvote staff posts.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Doc's picture

we can't, and as long as i'm one of the guys helping to decide the direction of this site, i'm going to make sure that we're above whatever pettiness leads people to cover their ears and eyes because there's something happening that they don't want to know about.

Then don't get your panties in a wad if/when a hockey game breaks out because of differing opinions. (not saying you did)  The simplest thing to do would be to report the "news" and not allow comments.  Then we can read the article and then get back to the important stuff like depth charts.  Just sayin'.
 
 
 

"Say my name."

Johnny Ginter's picture

see my response to gametime above

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Johnny - as you know, you/11W have ZERO reason to apologize for bringing interesting, newsworthy reports to us Buckeye fanatics. In my book, 11W is the best blog in the business. By all means, report on whatever you think is news. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way. If I disagree with what I perceive to be the "political agenda" of a group that is somehow attached to a "newsworthy"  Buckeye item, I hope that I have enough intellectual sophistication to take what I want from the report and live at peace with the rest of it.
No, I'd just encourage reporters/bloggers to always strive for greater self-awareness - the same advice that I try to give myself every day, but fail to live up to. In that vein, unless they have a perfect model in their heads of what news readers want to read, writers/reporters/editors/etc. have to make guesses about what is "the news," which are filtered through their ideologically-loaded interpretations of life. Similarly, we cannot avoid the ever-pervasiveness of "politics" into many aspects of life, education, entertainment, and business. You can believe that the report on Gene Smith was apolitical, but don't expect others to believe that, too; whereas, you must demand that they abide by your rules of decorum. You can monitor fools like me and delete my irresponsible comments - i.e. help stop me from getting myself all wet  - without trying to convince me that it ain't raining outside when it is. 

elloyd1681's picture

Well said, Johnny.  Total support from this Buckeye fan.  
I rarely post comments, but I check 11W at least five times a day.  
Keep on reporting the Buckeye news, brother!
 
 
 

SilverBulletNYC's picture

As someone who posted on yesterday's thread, I would like to thank 11W for their great work. Despite some disagreements last night, this is the best Buckeye site online. I recently cancelled my Bucknuts subscription due to the overt racism/ political nature of the site. I commend 11W for keeping this a sports site. Go Bucks!

The South will NOT rise again!

Borrowed Time's picture

I was really upset reading some of the comments from that post, but decided it wasn't worth arguing over. 
11W should absolutely have every right to post coverage on important OSU news. The president speaking is a topic that cannot be debated if it is 'important' or not.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

It's the risk that you take when you post something that involves the POTUS on a site where you're not supposed to talk politics.  I don't think the staff was wrong at all for posting the story about the POTUS speaking at commencement.  It is a huge deal for Ohio State, and I'm sure it'll be a great experience for the graduating students (despite the joke I posted about rather having Jack Hanna - I like Jack Hanna).  But what we saw happen on that thread is a consequence of posting this story, leaving it open to discussion, and expecting the discussion to be completely apolitical.  Most people can do it, but not everyone is going to be able to keep their comments apolitical or just not comment at all.  And we saw it on the thread here, and I've seen it on Facebook and many other news sites - it only takes one comment to get the political wars going.  The solution is to either lock the comments or offer serious consequences to people who engage in such political commentary, beyond merely censoring their comments.  I trust the 11W staff - you guys always do a great job of keeping 11W as the best place on the web to read and talk everything Ohio State.

Class of 2010.

Hovenaut's picture

Wow....way to be 11W. I didn't need another reason to appreciate this site, but my continued emphatic thanks.

For those that take it beyond what it should, and now take their respective baw....ball and go home, see ya.

Those of us who stay will be.......kidding, kidding.

Glad to see the majority of Buckeyes here can keep a sensible perspective on what it is here that we're really about.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

MN Buckeye's picture

While we may occasionally wander across the line of sports and entertainment into the worlds of politics, I think what should distinguish this site is HOW we conduct the conversation.  I realize this is difficult when people are as passionate about politics as they are about tOSU, but having the conversation spin out of control is what I think when I hear the word, 'we are better than that'.
I have not read the threads simply because I have lost a few great friends when politics became their religion and all conversation centered around my 'education'.  Anything taken to an extreme can be harmful.  jmho

ATXbucknut's picture

Meanwhile...bacon...

Jack Fu's picture

YOU GET YOUR BACON-BASED PROPAGANDA OFF OF MY SPORTS WEBSITE! MODS!! MOOOOOOOODDDSSS!!!1!

ATXbucknut's picture

Look Jack Fu, bacon plays an important role in our community.  It's not just "the other white meat" anymore.  It is THE meat of choice for many, including scores of folks in the OSU community.  You can take your bacon-hating views and go post on one of those bovine-lover sites. 
Here's some more bacon porn for you. I can serve these up all day.

+1 for you Jack. Thanks for playing along.

Jack Fu's picture

WELL IT'S CLEAR THAT ATXBUCKNUT HAS THE FINANCIAL BACKING OF 'BIG BACON.' WAY TO PICK ON THE LITTLE GUY, YOU FASCIST, UH, PIG.
 

 
 
+1s all around!

Doc's picture

Somebody needs a hug for downvoting this.  I'll upvote ya to counter act the dv.

"Say my name."

Earle's picture

Italics are for emphasis.

GoBucksToledo's picture

Actually, I find the whole concept of porcine cannibalism a little bit disturbing.

ATXbucknut's picture

Care to tell us who is backing you and your anti-pig agenda, Jack?

Jack Fu's picture

I can neither confirm nor deny that I have a longstanding business relationship with a rival breakfast food staple which shall remain nameless. So 'no comment.'
[UNRELATED VIDEO FOLLOWS]
 

 

Hovenaut's picture

Your timing is impeccable.....well done.

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Poison nuts's picture

Any comment including both bacon & Sweet Brown should automatically give us the ability to give at least 3 upvotes minimum...

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

The bacon obsession on this site is a little ridiculous. lol

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

As a Muslim OSU grad and fan, I take extreme offense to posting any bacon related propaganda on this site. 
(Being sarcastic, by the way)

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

toad1204's picture

Its a sad day when it comes to this. 

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

Nappy's picture

When I saw @11W retweet the news yesterday that the POTUS was giving the commencement speech, I immediately wondered if that news was going to make it to the site.  To be honest, I can see both sides on whether these types of stories should be posted on the site.  On one hand, it is OSU related news and thus relevant to the site.  On the other hand, agreeing/disagreeing with the topic violates the commenting policy and invites a shit-storm of comments both for and against.  I guess if this was my site, I'd post any OSU related news because that's what we all come here for.  If I have to bust out my Mod hammer then so be it.  If you can't be civil and respect the views of others, then simply don't post anything.  I read a lot of comments yesterday that I completely disagree with but getting into an internet fight seems as ridiculous as some of the comments.  As Mods I think we try to keep the comments civil and on topic.  If you can't do either, please don't post anything.

Fan of bacon since 1981

buckeyefanatic's picture

If you can't be civil and respect the views of others, then simply don't post anything.

Amazing how people don't get this. They don't have the restraint to follow the rules and be civil, so some of them push that 11W protect their uncontrollable behavior and disable comments. Good stuff. 

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

Citrus's picture

Being upset that the leader of the free world is speaking at your university is the biggest "first world" problem I can think of.

Further, can anyone think of a speaker that would be better than the president?? Well except for Woody Hayes' ghost - that would be a hell of a commencement speech.

jthiel09's picture

There aren't many people better suited to speak to a group than Ash.
"Hail to the king Baby"

JT

hodge's picture

I dunno, Bruce Campbell went to Michigan State...

jthiel09's picture

Thought it was Western Michigan ... that's more forgivable that MSU.

JT

hodge's picture

I stand corrected.  Hodge fail.

jthiel09's picture

Let's wait and see what Bruce Campbell's Wikipage looks like later ... I could be wrong and you could be right depending on who's editing that info.

JT

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

"This.....this is my BOOOOOMSTICK!!!!!"

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

GoBucks713's picture

Woody Hologram?

-The Aristocrats!

Riggins's picture

Woody Hayes hologram, you say?

Gametime's picture

If they made a hologram of Woody Hayes like they did of Tupac at Coachella that would be EPIC - then instead of just the Graduation - showcase it before the first time they play "The Game" under the lights...

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Buckeyeneer's picture

^^^^ Someone start a Kickstarter fund immediately!
I would like to see hologram Woody as the master of ceremony at a Mirror Lake Jump, since it is his spirit we are calling to by that action.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

Run_Fido_Run's picture

That is awesome idea! I would kick in a few bucks for that campaign.
On the other hand, if the hologram operator "goes rogue," he could do some serious mischief. Say that the Buckeyes are ahead 17-14 midway through the 4Q of The Game. The Buckeyes have the ball, 3rd and 3 at midfield. Urbz calls timeout. He wants to go for the knockout punch and then, hopefully run-up-the-score when Michigan goes into panic mode. All of a sudden, though, the Woody hologram appears at midfield and his comes over the P.A. system . . . "Urban, paralyze their resistance with persistence. Ram it down their throats, son!”

Citrus's picture

I know this is sort of a joke but the hologram should totally happen.
Imagine that thing being projected over mirror lake as was suggested. At midnight ... dramatic music and Woody appears: WALKING ON WATER. Damn, that would be cool. The Ohio State has some very smart people. I wonder what we can come up with.

toad1204's picture

Hologram of Woody?  Would that make UFM charged with using the force #Juice to rise Coach Combs Red Bull aircraft out of Mirror Lake?

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

TBDBITL0509's picture

First, I'm thankful for the post. Both stories are newsworthy to this university, and I think stories like these should continue to be reported on 11W.
However, it's clear that there are passionate people on both sides and there will be people who just can't help themselves. I'm sad to say it, but I support locking threads like these if there's a good chance a topic is (sadly) greatly divisive. I don't want 11W to be another one of those sites I stop reading because the comments are ridiculous or highly offensive.
There are plenty of cluster f*** message boards out there... we don't need to contribute to that group.

AngryWoody's picture

Don't blame the community for what happened. Any one with half a brain would have known that was going to be a bad idea to post. Have you had a conversation with whoever posted that on buckshots about thinking before they post?

Our Honor Defend!

Doc's picture

Clap.       Clap.         Clap...

"Say my name."

Buckeye Chuck's picture

I have to disagree here. Both threads started out just fine. The Obama thread went a fairly long time, with posters offering humorous anecdotes from their own commencements, before it really degenerated.
The question is whether 11W has to change the way it operates/chooses what to post because there are a half dozen people who can't control themselves when it comes to anything remotely political (I agree with those who have said that merely announcing who the commencement speaker is does not qualify as a "political" story in the least), or whether a better solution might be the removal of the tiny number of problem posters.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

AngryWoody's picture

The question is whether 11W has to change the way it operates/chooses what to post because there are a half dozen people who can't control themselves when it comes to anything remotely political 

You're sorta making my point. People can't control themselves that's why the policy is no politics. Then when 11W breaks their own policy and blames the community it's a little effed up. Just saying. You may downvote away.

 

Our Honor Defend!

Buckeyeneer's picture

You're right that some people can't . . . . but most people can.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

AngryWoody's picture

I know that man, but c'mon, to blame the community for this? It's just wrong. It's like if 11W threw a full gas can into a fire and then they blame the fire when the gas blows up. It's unfortunate but fire burns, and people bicker. We just have to be smart about where we pour the gas.

Our Honor Defend!

Riggins's picture

Well, I for one am sick of catering to the lowest common denominator.  I think 95% of the commentariat can recognize that there was no political bias in either of the posts.  So why lock up posting priveleges for the 95% when it's just the 5% that need to be banned?

Doc's picture

I said this in another thread, but here goes.  Just because "95%" of those that commented thought it was ok doesn't mean that is the temperature of the room.  Some of us that disagreed were holding our tongues.

"Say my name."

xFactor11's picture

I agree with Doc. I am sure many more people disagreed or had feelings that would start arguments but they held it to themselves. 

chitown buckeye's picture

"Holding our tongues" - for what?? To not break out into your own political rant? You did what was expected of you and followed the commenting policy by "holding your tongue." I find it hard to believe that 11w's article fired you up so much that you felt you were going to burst if you couldn't talk your own political views.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Riggins's picture

@Chitown Buckeye Precisely.  Just because the slightest drop of "Obama" or "gay" sends you into a spittle-fueled-keyboard-rage doesn't mean you shouldn't abide by the site rules.
If you can't separate cable news agendas (from either left wing or right wing) from non-political Ohio State news, then you probably just shouldn't comment.
I would expect the same conduct from any left-wing commenters who supported PETA.  If 11W posts a Buckshot about a massive barbecue being funded by Ohio State, I'd expect the PETA supporters to either be civil, or not post.

rampageripster's picture

That was his point... you, in this case, were part of the 95% who didn't break policy.  He didn't say that 95% agreed, but that 95% followed policy until the 5% that couldn't contain themselves ruined it all for everyone

Cause I couldn't go for three

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Did you read the moderators' comments?
Sounds like you want a vote and anyone not agreeing with the majority should keep their opinion to themselves   ..... or be banned?
That would certainly keep the site more civil, and we could get rid of issues altogether ... let's rename anything everyone agrees on as "self evident truths" or maybe "universally accepted must-believes"

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

Any one with half a brain would have known that was going to be a bad idea to post.

Half-brain guy here. I figured the President of the United States coming to the university that is the core of why this site exists was worth a buckshot. After considering the potential for trouble to ensue, I included a warning to avoid political comments into the buckshot itself from the outset (it wasn't an edit after the fact).

And then a scant minority of very loud people - including a moderator, who is now no longer a moderator - flippantly violated a long-standing 11W policy. The president is coming to Columbus for OSU graduation. If you don't like it, don't comment. If you do like it, sure, comment - the president is coming to Ohio State. That's an historically big goddamn deal. Let's not make any false equivalence over it: It is not "political" to be excited about any POTUS coming to Ohio State. If you think it is, that's on you, but the good news is that your choice is made for you: Don't comment.

We could preemptively lock the comments, or we could simply treat you like responsible people and give you the opportunity to screw up instead, hoping that you don't. I'm not big on being the Internet's nanny. Most of us half-brains just operate that way.

AngryWoody's picture

If you think it is, that's on you, but the good news is that your choice is made for you: Don't comment.

First off I agree with that. That's why I never posted a single word in either of the buckshots, but Obama and "Gene Smith targets homophobia" within two hours of each other are bad ideas. I can see how the Obama giving the commencement speech should be kosher, but the "Gene Smith targets homophobia" was politically charged and asking for trouble. Let me give you an example:
      Ohio State student arrested for wearing an empty holster on campus.

Newbern, who is a certified firearms safety instructor, said on Thursday he decided to attend the vigil to exercise his First Amendment right to demonstrate in favor of Ohio’s concealed carry laws. He said he suspects’ campus police and students harassed him because he is the leader of Buckeyes for Concealed Carry, a group Ohio State University President Gordon Gee has publically (sic) described as "vigilante."

 
Now no one say anything political or else you're bad.
- It probably wouldn't be a wise idea to post that being that it is politically charged (OSU or otherwise). To tell you the truth I don't even care about the political arguments. I'm more upset that the community gets all the blame when it's a two way street.
I hope this makes sense.
EDIT: Sorry for saying you have half a brain. I'm pretty sure you actually have two.

Our Honor Defend!

Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

The only way a blotter post like the example you provided would ever make it on 11W would be 1) if it was funny, or 2) something horrendous like Virginia Tech happened at Ohio State. 

People taking exception to the word homophobe or homophobia need to understand something: That is the correct word. Take to a dictionary, whatever, but that's the word. Bigot is a stronger word that would be categorically biased to the strict reporting of the news story, but homophobia is correct - and it was at the core of the Gene Smith story, which graced 11W because it is relevant, not worth ignoring and involved Ohio State.

You can call someone a homophobe/refer to homophobia as a descriptor, or you can call someone a homophobe as a slur. The intent is what determines the interpretation. It's like calling someone a Jew.

AngryWoody's picture

This is going to be my last post on the subject. Let me tell you where I'm coming from.
    I feel like you guys messed up. I'm sorry but I do and I'm not going to back down on that. this is not because I want to be a jerk but because I love this site. Maybe I'm just weird but it seems obvious to me that posting those things could cause a problem (looking at the aftermath would give that some credence). The thing that really worries me is that in the aftermath of the situation you guys seem unable to admit you had any sort of lapse in judgment. The reason that worries me is because if you guys don't feel like you've done anything ill advised you might do it again, and for the love of god I don't want this to happen again because we're all better than this, and not matter where you stand on the issues you know that's true. Look you guys are amazing. This community is amazing. It's still the "smartest sports bar you and several thousand of your closest fellow Buckeyes have ever visited", the thing is that the smartest people usually have the strongest opinions.
I hope you get where I'm coming from and maybe will give it some thought.

Our Honor Defend!

buckeyefanatic's picture

Personally, I learned of both news items from 11W. I work a little too hard for my liking sometimes but goddamnit I still poke my head into 11W to see what is going on. Thankfully I didn't pay attention to the comments but I'm pretty sure I can act like a grown up and respect the views of others or simply refrain from posting anything. 
Perhaps some should be angry at Gene Smith and POTUS for taking actions in such a short period of time. It seems like poor judgement on their part?  11W simply reported on the items as they happened, they did not save up the news stories in an effort to overwhelm those so close to their tipping points.

How many batteries does it take to beat Michigan football?   1AA
Want to beat Michigan? There's an App for that.

brylee's picture

The post was made, not to elicit political comments, but that it is, in Ramzy's words, "big god damn news."
 

Flava Flav's picture

11W keep up the excellent work. The President coming to campus and any initiative by our athletic department that sets Ohio State apart from the pack is newsworthy. Somehow I get the feeling you already knew that. Carry on.

RedStorm45's picture

Well, technically the media (or in this case the 11W staff) decides what is news.  If media outlets don't report something, then it's not "news."  There is bias at some point at the top level to decide what is published/run and what is not.  You can't possibly please 100% of readers/your audience with what you report.  Sure, there are no brainer big stories, but are you reporting every single story/picture about Columbus not related to OSU?  No, but there are some every now and then that I see in the "Links" of Skull Sessions or Buckshots.  The writer or staff is choosing that a certain story or picture is worth publishing to the site, and at some point there are other ones that are not.  Just like ABC or NBC or CBS on their nightly news, there are the big "no brainer" stories, but there is only 43 minutes of air time and they have to leave some things out.  That's kind of what the 11W staff has to go through to an extent, especially on these more "hot button" issues (granted, the two referenced are big university stories).  They decided the two stories yesterday were important enough to share with the site.  Some might say they are "no brainer" stories to run.
 
If people want to comment back and forth on politics, go to politico.com or whatever site you want geared to politics. 

RedStorm45's picture

To be honest on the LGBT front, there was a story around the start of the new year that gained national news about Mikey's Late Night Slice in Columbus, the Short North to be specific.  I thought it was a very cool reflection of our community and the city but hesitated to share it here because of the "political" tilt.  It may have been posted in a Buckshot or Skull Session Link but I'm sure there are users out there who are holding back on writing a blog post or starting a forum discussion because of the politics rule, though the story isn't necessarily a "Hey liberals rule, conservatives suck" (or vice versa) point.  I posted during the week of the Super Bowl about Donte Whitner's comments in response to his teammate, which was about as non-political as you could get regarding an LGBT story and sports I thought, since he was mostly just sharing about his upbringing.

Buckeyeneer's picture

I was no fan of G.W. Bush when I was in college but I was disappointed that I graduated the December before and instead of hearing the president speak, I got some health care official that I can't even remember. Having the president speak at your graduation ceremony is a huge honor no matter their politics.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

BuckeyeChief's picture

11W staff, thanks for all you do, and for keeping this site both FREE and the best Ohio State website in the galaxy.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Lon_Paul's picture

I love you, 11W! *kisses*

RedStorm45's picture

Wow, missed the Gene Smith thread/comments.  Thankfully.  Did I see a couple of people who were "Mods" yesterday no longer listed as such today?  Not sure if those are related but man, that thread looks crazy with all of the deleted comments.  If we were all in a bar together, I'd bet a lot of those things and insults wouldn't be said.  It's the power of hiding behind a random user name (ok, I am doing that too, full disclosure) and a keyboard.

Denny's picture

I'm still angry about all the coverage that you provide free of charge and would like to state that this is America and I want my money back.

Taquitos.

Poison nuts's picture

You're a good man Denny.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

BrewstersMillions's picture

As is the guy with RJD in his signature.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

BucksfanXC's picture

I guess my biggest issue is with people who think what Gene Smith said yesterday was political. It was not. It is a topic that has overlap with politics unfortunately, but it is not, in and of itself political to say that gays should be welcomed in sports.
Would it have been different if Gene said he thought we should welcome blacks, or blind, or handicapped, or white, or women, or any other description you can think to apply to any individual? NO! That's why 11W is not at fault here and shouldn't have to lock the post down from the get go. Saying you disagree with Gene's statement also isn't political. Why you disagree might be.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

btalbert25's picture

The staff probably ran with it because of how well received the JT story was a couple of years ago.  When he gave the interview to the pro gay and lesbian magazine everyone on this site, at that time, was all for it and thought it was great. This site had a much, much smaller audience then, but it wasn't a big deal then, in fact everyone seemed to be proud of JT for doing this. 
Why is it different now? 

Denny's picture

Tressel was a god, and Gene Smith banished him to the fiery pits of hell.*
There's your difference.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

I hope that is the reason, because the alternative is troubling.  I just think it's hilarious that Gene Smith does it and it's automatically political and unnecessary but JT does it and everyone is slow clapping and wiping tears from their eyes.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Is there only one alternative BT?
There are several alternatives beyond what I BELIEVE YOU BELIEVE to be the "troubling" alternative (4 letter word starting with rac and ending with e??)
1. Despite great influence, JT was not in a position to set University policy
2. JT did not really advocate for any policy change - just showed a bit of sensitivity
3. JT came at it with the reputation of an evangelist, thus was less likely to draw fire from the folks most likely to object to any show of tolerance
4. JT gave us a National Championship.  GS gave us UAB and UCF

Unky Buck's picture

That is a great comparison, BT. I think it's come down to really the size of the audience, as you allude to. With a larger number of people, you're going to have some who are so far one way or another that no matter if it's dead center or apolitical (as I've been hearing people mention), there's going to be a "problem" with it.
What I think many need to do, like or not because I don't care, is not let so many things bother them. There's no reason to let some post that has no political agenda either way and was put on an Ohio State site lead people into arguments with each other. Just let it go. And I don't like shutting down comments because people just can't do that.
I've seen a handful of people post on how the temp of the room is not the same for everyone so the 95% of us who don't care can't be used. I think it absolutely can. The 95% of us who don't care also know better than to make politically charged comments. It's the 5% of less that need to learn some control and not take a post about raising awareness of equality in the locker room or how the sitting POTUS is speaking at commencement so personally. It's not personal; it's news related to the university that we all love. Why can't we just leave it at that? As Thumper's mom said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothin' at all." Isn't that the overriding rule in the comments anyway? It should be if it isn't.

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Ahh Saturday's picture

I'm not trying to be glib about this, but this problem is not nearly as intractable as the ponderous debate surrounding it makes it seem.  One, 11w is right to post the Buckshots in questions, and I accept their reasons for doing so.  Two, 11w is wrong, and maybe disingenuous or naive, to assert that those posts are apolitical.  If people think it's political, guess what, it's political, and political comments will follow. Three, the action of disabling comments after such a post is certainly within the rights of the 11w staff, but it seems the cowards way out. Four, and here comes the glib part, if you don't feel like jumping into a political discussion, don't jump into it.  I made no comments on either of the threads in question because I don't come to 11w for political discussion.  To me, watching sports fans talk about politics is about as interesting as watching politicians talk about sports.  If there is a thread on who will replace Hankins on the DL and somebody starts talking about gun control, that's a problem.  If there is a thread on Obama, and people start talking about Obama, where is the problem?

btalbert25's picture

I agree with your last point a lot.  It's kind of like in the Forums when 3 or 4 people post a similar post and the last poor guy who saved it last gets drilled by a ton of people for it.  Instead of just seeing another post and letting it go people just have to make a point to give the person a hard time.  I suppose some folks just can't resist the urge.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Good post, though I would add that what 11W did last night was both more and less than you submit.
11W moderators supported a political position and then pulled comments in opposition, many of which were less politically loaded then the rah-rah, 20-upvote posts they left on.
Posts were deleted with absolutely no cognizance (or comprehension??) of the content.  Specifically, my posts supporting the right not even of dissent, but rather DISCUSSION were deleted, where the moderator's replies were retained, thus insuring that readers could not gain another perspective or even the context of the posts.
Now the thread exists with only 1 (poorly articulated, poorly supported and absurdly jingoistic) political slant.
As in Billy Madison, the thread as it now exists makes each of us that much dumber for having seen it

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Just for the record, I probably would not have deleted your posts implying that people who disagreed with you were Nazis. The community is much poorer for not having access to that "perspective."

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Classic misread.
The Nazis aren't the people who disagree with me.  In fact, I have contended publicly for the past 30 years that sexual orientation is a personal right and should never be an impediment to advancement in the public or private sector.
The Nazis are those who claim their position reflects what is self-evidently right and good (like Nazis, this set of folks do not claim the grace of God as their hater opposition do), whereas anyone who disagrees is and should be subject to justified derision.

aboynamedtracy's picture

Wait... so you're saying that you and the Nazis are in complete agreement?
I'm just effing with you here, but that line is wonderfully open to misinterpretation when taken out of context.

faux_maestro's picture

There are no Nazi's here, nor are there many in the world at large. The Nazi card has got to stop.

Inní mér syngur vitleysingur

Sgt. Elias's picture

I'd like to add "The free fan-site I frequent sometimes makes me perturbed when I visit" to the below list...

 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

RedStorm45's picture

^Hahaha, yes.
Reminds me of Louis CK's "White People Problems."
"I hate Verizon..."
"Why?"
"Because my phone was weird for a second."
"Dude, give it a second to come back from space.  Will you give it a second.  to come back.  from space??"
"Build your own then.  Build your own towers and network and see how close to perfect you can get."
 
I paraphrased, and he has more than that but it's hilarious.

LABuckeye's picture

We are all commenting about comments in the comment section of a post about comments. That thought strikes me as humorous, but that may be because of my love of alliteration or simply because my brain is fried from being on the computer too long and I need a run. 

Nappy's picture

You spelled beer wrong.

Fan of bacon since 1981

LABuckeye's picture

Copious beer drinking is part of ultrarunning culture, so yes, I could also use a beer...

Doc's picture

LA, I'm sorry to be the one to call you out on this but you changed your avatar and did not make a forum post stating said change.  Not cool man, not cool :P

"Say my name."

LABuckeye's picture

I forgot that step. Darn it.

ArTbkward's picture

For the record, I downvoted a lot of comments in those posts that I actually agreed with because I don't think the comment belonged in the first place.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

Doc's picture

It also makes me think that the vast majority of the posts in this thread are made by the more level headed of us(maybe not me, but you get my point) and the rabble rousers have gone back to hiding.

"Say my name."

BucksfanXC's picture

I totally think that too. I have upvoted you a lot on this thread, because despite the fact that I kept disagreeing with what you say, you are doing it in a polite, well-worded and reasoned manor.
So thanks for that.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Doc's picture

Thanks Buxfan I appreciate the upvotes.  Now, would you call my wife and tell her what you just said she won't believe me.  Especially the well worded and reasoned parts.  ;D

"Say my name."

BucksfanXC's picture

That made me laugh Doc. And that's what I love the most about 11W, the shining light that still gives me hope. I think you are absolutely wrong when you say Gene's comments were political or that agreeing/disagreeing is de facto political, but as a commenter, I respect that you hold that opinion, I like having you here still.
I agree with whoever said this place is like a bar. But I'm glad we aren't drunk so when we disagree we don't get into an actual fist fight, like I do when I drink whiskey. But I'd upvote/buy you a beer while we discuss.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Doc's picture

See I'm the same way.  A few beers in me and I think I'm the size of Hulk Hogan and don't take shit from no body.  When I'm not nearly that big and haven't been in a fist fight since 8th grade.  Since I can't buy the next round I upvoted you on all you comments in this thread.  I respect your point of view, but like you, I don't necessarily agree.  I'm glad you still like having me here.

"Say my name."

Poison nuts's picture

Agreed. Docs points & reasoning, although different from my own on this, is one of the very reasons this site rules.

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Earle's picture

Well, the echoes of the banhammer may have something to do with that.  Its hard not to notice that some of the previous offenders are no longer around to flick their ashes around the powder keg topics of yesterday.

Italics are for emphasis.

buck-I.8's picture

Yeah, I had thought the two in question simply were not around to flex their internet "muscle" today due more to (one would hope) shame, but it appears that the hammer has spoken.

Buckeyejason's picture

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BUCKEYES BABY!

yrro's picture

11W should definitely report on political issues that pertain to Ohio State. The president speaking or Gene Smith's stand on gay athletes are big news, and you can't ignore it.
That said, and as much as I *agree* with the staff members here and their support of equal treatment and encouragement of gay athletes... you can't ignore that this opinion *is* a political one. Even if it is about civil rights, the definition of what civil rights are and who they belong to is the *heart* of politics. There is a large difference between posting a link without comment and including a "kudos to Gene smith", with several moderators in the comments openly supporting the move. You can't take a political stand that like and then be upset that people start talking "politics" when they disagree with you.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Yep, and the moderator claimed her support was not political, but that opposition was inherently political, and then (before hiding her post) admitted that Gene Smith's performance as AD the PREVIOUS 7 YEARS DID NOT MATTER to her in light of his support of her pet political issue.
Great moderation on this stick-to-sports website

aboynamedtracy's picture

I think there's something amiss with YOUR CAPS LOCK!

rdubs's picture

No one got all huffy about the reporting of in state tuition being frozen.  That has essentially nothing to do with football or any other sport and could easily be spun into a political issue, but everyone seemed to leave that alone.  
My point is that everyone tries to find agendas and conspiracies where there does not need to be one.  Most of the initial responses to the news of the president speaking were entirely apolitical, responses like "not fair I got Joe Shmoe at mine", or "wow Urban has some pull" not really even anything that said "yea!! I voted for him."
As others have said above, it is a big deal that the sitting president is coming to OSU and it is a big deal that the AD makes a statement against bullying.

bowthrock's picture

Did you know that California and Massachusetts allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition?

"Lets beat the shit out of Michigan".... Urban. Frank. Meyer.

Baroclinicity's picture

I miss all kinds of stuff on these damn overnight shifts when I sleep during the day.  I had stuff to say, but I think it's been covered by pretty much everyone else in some form or another.
The only things I have to add are
1)  Disabling comments is a slippery slope.  Too much subjective gray area.  I understand the suggestion, but don't know if it's a good idea.
2)  On whether or not to post news like Obama speaking at commencement... many Buckshots and forum topics end up not being too heavily involved with Ohio State Athletics.  To remove these will take away a lot of content from the site.
 
Keep on truckin', 11W.  You can't make everyone happy.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

steensn's picture

This is going well ;) Glad I missed whatever happened yesterday...

Baroclinicity's picture

Jason et. al., one more thing.
(I scanned the comments and didn't see this mentioned... hopefully I'm not regurgitating what someone else said)
Is locking threads an option?  I've never seen that happen on here in the 2+ years I've been a reader on this site.  It would be more sensible than flat out disabling comments from the start on what might be a touchy subject.  Let the users decide through their actions whether or not comments were a good idea.  If it spirals out of control, lock it up.  As I watched the two threads unfold last night, I found myself a couple times saying to myself, "now would be a good time to close this one down."
 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

steensn's picture

1) I don't think the boards are moderated 24/7
2) I'm sure that this post is reactionary to what happened and that they didn't think about the fact people would decide to react the way they did. Hindsight is 20/20, but you always hope that the community can handle acting like grown ups no matter how they react each time.

Baroclinicity's picture

And I get that (referring to 24/7 moderation).  But the site is so big at this point, I think it's too much to expect everyone to play nicely.  Some of the posts within the threads essentially said "I don't give a s***, downvote me or ban me."  I see locking of threads as a way for cooler heads to prevail, not necessarily a policing action.
 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

buck-I.8's picture

Here's the thing people seem to be forgetting:
Despite the fact that 11w has grown to be a stalwart of the OSU fan/media community in the last few years, it boils to down what it started as, and will always be: A personal blog, started by a few guys, about Ohio State football. It doesn't have to be this public arena of free speech, but the owners of the blog are kind enough to make it a for the people/by the people type community. 
The point is, we, as a community need to step back and look at the entitlement that this has created in us. Jason and co., if they wanted to could censor ever post they don't agree with and this wouldn't be wrong, because  it's their blog and they can do whatever they want. But to see some of the hate speech come up, and the people arguing that the blog owners are exercising undue influence, it makes me sick. It's the function of people taking a free site that asks for nothing in return but cooperation, and turning into an entitlement show about "what do I deserve as a poster." When I personally have these thoughts, and I have, having been here over a year now, I step back and say, "these people don't owe me shit." If anything, I owe them for sitting here greedily intaking all the free information they are kind enough to send our way.
For these reasons, it's appalling that the events of last night had to happen. The breaking of policy was blatant, and unnecessary, and shows nothing but disrespect to the owners of the site. This isn't aimed at one side or the other, as the moderator showed an amount of the same willingness to bite the hand that feeds as the others. That said, it isn't hard to not be an asshole and spew your agenda on a forum like this. I could've easily joined the fray last night, and been well armed to do so. As a funder for some of the social issues involved, and a political science major, I'd put my involvement in the arenas that were argued right in the top percentile with anyone on this site. With that said, I read the posts of last night, was disgusted by the hate speech, and still managed to bite my tongue. It's not that hard. Respect the people that create all this content for you, and try not to be a bitter child that always has to get the last word. No one likes the internet tough guy, be it a mod, or a poster, or otherwise.

Unky Buck's picture


Well said Buck-I.8...well said

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btalbert25's picture

This!  Well stated my friend.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

It's a given that the blog owners own the site and it's a given that they can delete, edit, post or withhold anything they want.
It's inevitable that once people have something or do something over time they feel a sense of entitlement, and it's true that the sense of entitlement here is real as is your point that in fact, the owners do not owe the readers sh*t regardless or maybe in spite of their sense of entitlement.
I also understand (or believe you to be meaning) your use of the term "hate speech" as applying to both sides.  And there is where we diverge.  I saw very little hate speech from those not in the majority.  And, technically, I also saw very little "hate speech" from theose in the majority.
What I did see, repeatedly and consistently is a willingness by the majority to freely share their hatred for anyone suspected of being intolerant.
Like Nigel Powers, there's 2 kinds of people I hate in this world, those intolerant of others' cultures, and the Dutch.

buck-I.8's picture

Nothing is solved by diving back into this. I made my peace in one post after eschewing yesterday's tactless debate. That said, it's not the debate itself that disgusted me, it was the way it was formulated by the dissenters of certain comments. Let's stop likening the urge to express an opinion as some "plight of the proletariat" complex, and understand that if we want to see 11w as a governed community, we must remind ourselves that the governing body doesn't owe us shit. 

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

They do not OWE us anything, but they obviously take great pride in providing what they want to be perceived as an elite service, and though last night had to be horrifying to them, by all appearances they want the members to feel a sense of pride and maybe entitlement.
The only reason you gave a sh*t enough to draft your post is because you feel a sense of attachment to the site as well .... yes???
Additionally, you missed my joke which I learned at approximately the same time as the Dr. Pepper joke, circa 1976, as I assume that too was deleted. 
For that I express regret.

buck-I.8's picture

I do feel attachment to the site, because of my affiliation since early last year, before it "blew up", as they say. With that said, let's make a distinction. My attachment leads me to feel personally responsible /involved with community goings on. My attachment doesn't compel me to march my agenda out in order to flaunt what I believe to be my social and political intelligence, veritably turning the board into a "pissing contest" between the perennial "internet tough guys", to use a few clichéd idioms. 
If you (general), decide that you don't agree with what is posted by site writers and admins, the correct response is not to enact a personal vendetta against those that don't share your views. If you don't like the views/discretion of the site, you have two choices.
1. Grouse about it, but understand that you rely on the information relayed by the site, and have the respect to not incite the aberrations of yesterday/breach commenting policy.
2. Go to some other blog.
Anything else is doing a disservice to the site, to the community, and to yourself. 
With that said, understand that I'm not directing this at you GBB, I'm only piggybacking onto our relevant conversation in order to air a few grievances I have with community behavior of late.

chitown buckeye's picture

@buck-i8, well put! Best comment/overall interpretation of this site I've read so far. 1 million cocktails to you.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

740's picture

the problem is that a lot of the mods are less than....objective. that is why your site is broken, and why i no longer derive any joy from this !@#$show.

rdubs's picture

And that's fine for you to have that opinion.  Good luck finding a better site for the price.

buck-I.8's picture

If you don't like it, you can leave. It's pretty transparent that staying here and complaining is done for attention and nothing more.

yrro's picture

Indeed. I think it's perfectly reasonable to offer some constructive criticism about how these issues have been handled, but if one disagreement really made you feel that unwelcome then don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

popeurban's picture

Apologies to any readers that I may have offended last night.  I was a part of those threads and while I feel that I was trying to uphold the spirit of 11Ws commenting policy, I may have  bothered some of you with my back and forth with one poster in particular that I felt was abusing the site.  In retrospect, I should have said my peace once and been finished.  
Thank you 11W staff and community for all that you do to keep this site great.

penult's picture

Sorry pope, accidentally gave a dv while  trying watch Jason's video just above and laughing

741's picture

I pooped a cornish game hen.
[Edit: I just realized I earned my 741st helmet sticker with this comment. Completely unintentional stroke of serendipitous genius.]

NW Buckeye's picture

Now you have 742!   I hope you took a screen shot while it was at 741!!!!!!

buck-I.8's picture

I downvoted you so you stay at 741. You're welcome

Phillips.449's picture

Dude sorry!  Downvote fat finger 

cajunbuckeye's picture

I'm glad I saved myself the trouble and stayed off of those two threads. I've been deleted more than enough times by the staff. Usually, I'm the first person to elevate things. I'll pat myself on the back for realizing I had no relevant comment after reading both articles

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Phillips.449's picture

I am learning as well from past mistakes and did the same!

Maestro's picture

Glad I missed those Buckshots. Carry on with producing the best Buckeye site on the planet.

vacuuming sucks

Phillips.449's picture

<rant>This entire thread makes me sad.  Why can't we all just follow the following rule:

  • If you are going to post a mad, mean, slanderous, malicious or snide comment, just don't hit save.  

As others have said, we are all adults and mostly here for the same reason.  Why not just avoid commenting when you think you may piss someone off.  I am not saying don't use views to the contrary of others (healthy debate is part of the fun of this site).  Just avoid commenting on the stuff that raises YOUR blood pressure because your comment is bound to raise someone else's.
If we are asking elevendubya to shut off comments on certain topics, maybe we should return the favor and shut off OUR more heated/opinionated comments? (Sorry for spelling errors for some reason spell check isn't working on the phone).</rant>

ohiowhitesnake's picture

 
"Let's all just hug and enjoy 11 Warriors!"

Hockey Buck's picture

It is easy . . . the next time you see a fan post something ignorant, get security to get them out of here . . . you don't live in michigan you live in OHIO!

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

okay, my two cents - i have been reading/commenting on this site since sometime in 2008 ...I love this site (although the registration and voting is stupid).  However, you can't post clearly political content and expect no reaction from the idiots.  the president speaking at TOSU, not political, I agree. Saying kudos about a gay/lesbian initiative (or whatever you want to call it) on the part of the university, very political.  for johnny or anyone else to say otherwise makes them either disingenuous or dumber than dirt (and they know it).  Just accept what happens when you make such posts.  Period. its not difficult at all. If you don't want political commentary (I know I don't), then don't make political statements.     

Scott's picture

FWIW, the statement, "I don't think people should be bullied for being [insert characteristic]," isn't political or controversial unless you're into people getting beaten up.

Class of 2008

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Great point, Scott - acts of bigotry, intolerance, and/or bullying are not political (philosophical) positions. There is no serious political theoretical "school" that argues in favor of acts of bigotry, intolerance, or bullying.
Inasmuch as Smith is demanding that members of the Ohio State community not practice bigotry, intolerance, bullying that is to be commended and really shouldn't be regarded as especially "political" content. Where things perhaps veer a bit more toward philosophical/political terrain is when Smith talks about "acceptance," "affirmative hiring," and promoting diversity of sexual orientation.    
In my experience, some of the most outspoken activists of a particular causes, who loudly declared themselves to be champions of acceptance, tolerance, and openness - and, conversely, screamed that those disagreed with them on philosophical principles were therefore bigots - regularly committed acts of bigotry, intolerance, and bullying. I didn't assume that because they were bad actors, their ideas must necessarily be bad as well, but they never seemed to afford the same consideration to their opponents. Instead, whenever they spotted some garden-variety bigot, who did not have the vaguest clue about the actual philosophical arguments, they would try to assign these bigots to the "other side" so as to damage their credibility.
Thanks for helping to illuminate that phenomenon.

WiliestBuckeye's picture

I completely missed this argument yesterday, although I did see the article. Although I understand 11W's viewpoint on wanting to report everything Ohio State, I think that posting these types of stories instigates the breaking of their commenting policy.  It is like holding a big slab of meat just out of the lion's reach, eventually your hand is going to get bitten. The way in which 11W polices these types of stories is not working, nor will it ever. It his human nature to express your beliefs when you feel those beliefs, and consequently yourself, have been misinterpreted or disrespected. The code of silence acts as gasoline silently filling the room and all it takes is one seemly innocent comment that someone takes the wrong way to ignite the fire.
With the site constantly growing, these types of issues are only going to continue happening more frequently. If you guys are dead set on doing these types of stories than I propose a slight change to the commenting policy that I think will solve many of these problems.
For these stories only, I think people should be allowed to voice their opinion on the topic. However, just like in a mediation session, or couples therapy, I believe there should be a certain structure that everyone must follow in order for their comment to be legal. You might even consider putting a time limit on the discussion and locking the comments section after an arbitrary amount of time has passed, say a week or so. I think if people had the chance to express themselves in a controlled, guided manner, it would contain future outbreaks as well as lesson inflammatory remarks considerably during the life of the story. If someone happens to break the rules then nobody can complain because it will be very black and white, you either followed the agreed upon structure or you didn't.
We are all part of the 11W family. Sometimes, families need to clear the air, and if done in the right way, it can be very healthy for all involved.

"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment."

741's picture

The way I see it commenting is a privilege granted by the good folks at 11W who own the site and provide us with all this great Buckeye reporting... for free. 
It's not reasonable to criticize Jason et al for what they choose to publish. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.
The commenting policy is 11W laying out the rules of how the rest of us should behave in their house party that we have been invited into. It's really just common sense, and basic human decency. How hard is that to understand?

Jeremy91's picture

Lol at how biased the Smith buckshot is... "I support gays" up votes aplenty "I don't support gays" down voted into the ground. If you can't handle the kind of comments that the buckshot you posted brought then you shouldn't allow commenting on it at all (even though it's clear which side the mods are on). You can't allow one and not the other... I mean if you want to be fair that is...

"Do not pray for an easy life. Rather, pray for the the strength to endure a difficult one" - Bruce Lee

bodast67's picture

 

 

 

     " I hope when I die, I die laughing"...                

ShadyBuckeye's picture

Let the media control all you sheeple. This site has gone to hell. This pretty much seals the deal for me.I read a link off an 11W thread that directed me to mgoblog which i always tried to avoid at all costs. While i was there i figured i mine as well have a look see. I see no difference with the people on there as i do here. Take away Alex and a decent article from someone else here snd there and this site is filth. Ill be slowly phasing this site out until i find another. Good luck folks

buck-I.8's picture

Again, the plea for attention is unecessary. The door; there it is.

bigbadbuck's picture

Although I happen to agree with Gene Smith's comments on the subject  I very rarely comment on subjects like this because its inevitable that this sort of thing happens  (the blow up, the misunderstandings of what others are meaning) because it is such an emotional subject. When we lead with emotions it always ends up badly

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

buck-I.8's picture

I agree, except for when you say it's inevitable. If everyone exercised the same common sense as you just described, it wouldn't have to happen. Thus, it can be avoided, it just isn't because people can't respect the information they're given.

bigbadbuck's picture

I think its more a case of don't want to respect the info given them.  Too many folks are just into drama in any way shape or form BUCK-I.8

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

Scott K's picture

I've held off as well on commenting on either of these threads until now for many/most of the reasons eloquently described by Hodge, BuckI8 and others.
My 2 cents from personal experience in the music industry: Unfortunately, when any scene gets big (which 11W has, and we all benefit from that) it tends to attract those who want/seek attention. These folks tend to live on both ends of the spectrum, effectively cancelling each other out.  However, they do tend to annoy those in the middle, who make up the majority.  We see this play out in all facets of society.
To those who feel it's their right to speak their mind on this site: It is entirely possible to share your opinion and comment on an article without violating this site's posting policies.  To argue that point places you as an outlier in this community.  This is not a forum to air your grievances or to invoke your 1st Amendment rights.  It's a place where a dedicated group of folks put together informative and witty news and analysis of all things Buckeye. And IMO it's by far the best site out there for all things Buckeye.  And it's FREE.  Let that sink in for a minute.  FREE.
If you don't like a thread, don't post on it.  If you don't like it here, then leave.  This is a free site.  Find your news elsewhere.  Over the past 2 1/2 years I have enjoyed reading people's opinions in threads here almost as much as the wonderful journalism that encompasses this site. That doesn't mean I like or agree with everyone's opinions, but I and most people here do our best to bite our tongues when necessary and follow the commenting policy. So please don't spoil it for the rest of us.  Show some respect.  If not, as BuckI8 posted above, there is the door.
Oh, and don't feed the trolls...
*stepping down off soap box*

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Unky Buck's picture

This comment above was for Buck-I.8, obviously, but this goes for you too, Scott K. Well said...

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Boxley's picture

So "If you do not like it, leave."
Do I need to take that as if I do not agree with someone I cannot submit my opinion, I just have to leave.
I am sorry, but that is a very arrogant statement. It is a free blog, and you do not have the right to tell someone to leave  if they are dissenting on a topic. They could just as easily tell you that if you do not like their position you should leave. Whom would be right in that perspective?
I served 30 years in the military supporting all peoples freedom of speech and to have someone tell me that I cannot have those same freedoms, is not pleasant. If I choose to express myself in a manner that others dislike, I am sure I will hear about it, but do not tell me that I do not have the right to do so.
How I choose to exercise that freedom should not be impinged upon by others (moderators) whom do not exercise that option equally to all others. I did not go to the other two blogs mentioned here as I detest "electronic pissing contests". They are a cesspool of hate from both sides of any topic.
From just reading this blog here today, I can see where if someone has a differing opinion from the majority on a topic, that daring to express it no matter how it is expressed, will be attacked, mostly by anonymous DV's. That is to be expected in an open discussion environment. What is not expected is for moderators to take a side.
This is my first and last post regarding something other than sports on this site. It is a shame that it had to be about freedom of speech and censorship by the those whom deem themselves the moral majority on a issue. I detest censorship. If a person chooses to make a statement that is in opposition of the majority, they have that right, as long as they follow the rules on posting.
I am and will always be a supporter of human rights. All humans. I come to 11W specifically because of the superior writing and the high level of verbal intercourse.
I know I was rambling here today, just upset that my favorite site has been tainted by the vitriol plaguing all other similar sites. I hope the 11W staff will right the ship and put us back on course.

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

E2Brutus's picture

I'm glad I was on a plane for most of yesterday. I missed all of this! Political views should have no place on this site but I am proud of 11W, and stand with them, for being in favor of equal rights for all people.

BuckeyeChris's picture

In all honesty, I instantly recoiled and wondered why Obama's visit even warranted a mention on this site. That Trollmageddon was on its way was entirely predictable.
What dignitary is speaking at commencement is not why I visit this site. 
Unless this "Obama" person is a 5* LB out of Texas, I don't need to see his name (or any politician's name) on this site.  

Squirrel Master's picture

Danny and his obsession for a certain past president has been discussed many times on here as well as other past presidents and yet that is missed?
talk about anything political before 1960, no problem with the commentariat.
talk about current politics, Chaos!
Interesting!
(In reality I would have completely avoided the 2 posts but MAN, take 1 night off for anything else and all hell breaks loose)
It might have to be circulated if it isn't already, Please read the rules of the site! Despite how innocent you believe your comments to be, it most likely will bother someone.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

CowCat's picture

Sorry all, but politics and big time football do cross paths quite often.
Woody Hayes was an outspoken Nixon fan -- Not my favorite POTUS, but I still loved Woody.
Those who hate Obama should see the images of he and Urban smiling and strolling together at the White House in 2009 for the NC recognition.   Eeew!! Gross!!
I'm all for relevant news on TOSU and it's place in the world.   But perhaps, as others have suggested we lock comments on topics where the controversy can be seen a mile away.  :)
 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

billy04's picture

I'd love to know the correlation between these two entities:
(1) People who are Buckeye fans but didn't actually attend OSU
(2) People who are upset about Gene Smith's initiative and 11W's support of it
I bet the number is high.
 

741's picture

I'm shocked at the number of folks that don't seem to get it. No one is saying you can't express your opinion. The commenting policy is about promoting politeness - if you can't express your opinion politely then with all due respect maybe this isn't the place for you.

WiliestBuckeye's picture

At the end of the day, no point, no matter how powerful, is going to stop this from happening again and again. You can't control the masses with typography alone. Unless we want to make this a thing every few months than something needs to change.

"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment."

RedStorm45's picture

Is the president (or office of the president) the only political commencement speaker worth mentioning? I know John Boehner gave the speech a couple years ago, and Speaker of the House is a very important political position for the country.  Speaker Boehner is an Ohio guy.  I wasn't on the site in 2011 and I didn't see anything when I did a quick search but was there a mention of the Speaker of the House's invitation to speak to the graduates?