Report: North Carolina Has an Offer to Join the Big Ten

February 19, 2013 at 2:30p    by Jason Priestas    
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InsideMDSports.com, the Maryland affiliate for the 247 Sports network that correctly called the Terrapins to the Big Ten is now saying North Carolina has an offer to join the league.

Rumors of Delany raiding the ACC beyond Maryland have been alive and well for months now, with Virginia and North Carolina both mentioned as candidates, but this is the first time that anyone has come out and said one of the schools has a firm offer from the Big Ten.

North Carolina would be a coup for Delany. He's a graduate of the school and it would send shock waves through the ACC if another one of the conference's original member institutions bolted for the B1G. Said shock waves could lead to the end of the ACC as we know it as the SEC and Big 12 move in along with the Big Ten to pluck schools from the league. This is bad news if you're Notre Dame and just spurned the Big Ten for a sweetheart setup with the ACC. Don't think for a minute that Jim Delany isn't aware of that.

Georgia Tech, also mentioned in the tweet, was rumored to be flirting with the Big Ten last fall and makes sense from the conference's stated goals of expanding the footprint and reaching into areas of population growth. Atlanta is the rare major US city that's mad for college football and the Yellow Jackets bring academic chops to the marriage.

Source: @insidemdsports

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

This is exciting.  I like both UNC and UVA - would fit in perfectly.

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Academically sure, but what else.  Good basketball... and what market are we gaining for BTN?  I was never a big fan of adding anyone beyond Nebraska in the first place though.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

cplunk's picture

Raleigh-Durham and Charlotte TV markets combined are equal to the 9th largest market in the nation (DC, Houston, Atlanta are the surrounding teams).
UVA gives some inroads into the Norfolk-Newport News market, which is bigger than people think, and at the same time works in conjunction with MD to lock down DC cable subscriptions.
Remember, its all about cable subscribers that have BTN on basic cable. Actual viewership doesn't matter much.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/09/10/nielsen-local-television-mar...

Unky Buck's picture

This is the same thing I've been explaining to my Pitt friend (I've said this many times already, I know). We're all homers in a sense, but he's the homer that is acting like the ACC is the premiere conference in the NCAA now that Pitt is there because anything Pitt does is always the best. It's humorous in a way, but he was criticizing the B1G's move to grab Maryland and Rutgers. Even though his point on diluting the athletic product could be an issue down the road, I explained over and over again this same thing on how it's about subscriptions for the BTN, not viewership...he just seemingly understood it finally but it again trying to discount it again by sending me articles on what could be the future of cable...which is pointless right now because we have no idea where any of that is headed now. To speculate on what might happen to cable and use that as an argument sort of makes the argument invalid. But I digress. When it came to furthering the expansion talk, he would fall back on the argument of "they said they're solid with the ACC" and that just comes off as naive thinking. Everyone will say that until it actually happens. It's now starting to look like the rumors my friend did not want to hear might be coming to fruition and the possible end to Pitts 2nd conference.

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GoBucks713's picture

Pitt is the best at defending punt returns against 8 blockers.........

-The Aristocrats!

ih8rolltyde's picture

I just don't see how you can be friends with Mark May.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Both programs are decent in athletics and are in undergraduate and graduate level academics.  Not to mention the Raleigh-Durham and Charlotte, NC markets as well as strengthening Washington DC and entering Richmond, Roanoke and Lynchburg, VA.  If we're going to add schools (not ND or Texas), these are home runs in my opinion.

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CptBuckeye24's picture

It puts them in the entire Virginia and North Carolina market.    That's an additional 17 million people. 
Add Georgia Tech, the Atlanta area alone has 5 million people.  And the entire state of Georgia has 9.8 million.
We are talking about 27 million people added to the TV market. 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

North Carolina is a lot bigger than most people realize. It is likely to pass Michigan in population sometime in the next couple of years. UNC would give the B1G a presence in 6 of the 11 most populous states, and that's not even counting the huge DC metro area.
 
There are two drawbacks to this (otherwise fantastic) idea, in my mind:
1. UNC sees itself as embodying the ACC, and it's hard for me to imagine the school giving up on the conference like that. Of course, once upon a time I would have thought the same thing about Nebraska and the Big 12.
2. The school can't completely ignore the wishes of its students, alumni, and overall fan base. They think of themselves as Southerners, and aren't going to be happy about joining a "Yankee" conference. This isn't like Maryland joining the B1G (Maryland's traditional sense of alienation towards the more Southern schools in the ACC is one reason why it was easier for them to take the plunge). At the very least, they will need UVA to come along.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

AndyVance's picture

Delany will use Virginia and Georgia Tech as his cudgel to force UNC to accept the bid. There will be no ACC left, ergo you should come with us and take our obscenely huge BTN check.

CptBuckeye24's picture

State of North Carolina is one of the fastest growing states in the nation.  Each Census has had at least 10% growth rates in the past 5 decades. 
And a lot of those people are moving from the North. 

bigbadbuck's picture

"Yankee Conference" or not greenbacks still talk the loudest

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.            

andyb's picture

what about bluebacks? 
 
I'll give the first person to get the reference an upvote!

droessl's picture

I don't think confederate currency is accepted at most establishments nowadays.

AcrossTheField11's picture

legal document covers?  In regard to the Maryland exit fee hearings?

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

GH_Lindsey's picture

NC is a very quickly growing state and UNC would give us a media foothold there. Charlotte is the 24th largest media market in the US and Raleigh-Durham is 28th. Not crazy big or anything, but it's a growing area and UNC has a national basketball fan base

J.Mo's picture

UNC, UVA > Maryland, Rutgers

cajunbuckeye's picture

Do we know for sure if this offer is committable

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chitown buckeye's picture

Looks like we are going to have to rename basketball awards now! Ive never seen a better big ten basketball coach than Dean Smith.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

LouGroza's picture

Not to mention watching B1G Icons featuring Michael Jordan.

petebuc52's picture

+10 up votes button...Classic Post

81Alum's picture

+1 Dean Smith was a great coach.

cinserious's picture

Get ready for the annual Big-10/Big-10 Challenge!

Gone ham, be back soon...

beserkr29's picture

Give me UNC and Duke instead of UVA.  For the basketball rivalry alone that should be Delany's number 1 choice.

703Buckeye's picture

Delany does not care about that rivalry from an expansion standpoint. UVA is a much better choice than Duke.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

Conroy's picture

No way.  UVA is in a bigger market, but Duke has a MUCH more powerful national brand.

703Buckeye's picture

You just unwittingly took my defense, sort of. UVA is not really in a bigger market than Duke but it does bring the state of Virginia, Duke won't bring anything new if UNC is already coming.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

AcrossTheField11's picture

Trust me when I tell you that everyone down there despises Duke except for students, alums, and a select few people who live in the city of Durham.  I watched the NC game against Butler in a sports bar in Raleigh and you'd have thought the bar was located in downtown Indianapolis.  Their fan base is actually relatively small, and they aren't bringing in any additional television sets. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

cinserious's picture

Screw Duke! They can rot in hell with their superiority complex. They offer nothing in football which is where the big bucks are. Id love to see Kryzsewski cry about loosing traditional rivals in his whiny, bitchy voice! That alone would be well worth taking in UNC!

Gone ham, be back soon...

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Let them schedule each other every year like Kentucky and Indiana do (and still should)

BucksfanXC's picture

See what you did Notre Dame?! You piss off Jim Delany by not joining and then making a deal with the ACC, and now there will be no ACC to deal with and the CCHA is gone. He will destroy the things you love!

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

hodge's picture

Oh Delany...
Troll on, you crazy diamond.

STRAWMAN's picture

Notre Dame landed pretty well all things considered from a hockey standpoint. In fact one could make a pretty decent argument that the BIG's hockey league hurts the individual teams depending on how their out of conference scheduling goes. However, I still like the move for the BIG overall because it is apart of their long-term goal of being the premier national athletic/academic conference and it makes the BIG network much, more attractive. 
But it only hurt Notre Dame's wallet for hockey, the league they are moving to is probably better than the CCHA, if only slightly. 

gumtape's picture

Well, we have the whole Julius Peppers fake transcript thing which got absolutely no run in the national media.
Which is way worse than Katzenmoyer taking easy classes in the summer. At least he passed swimming, golf, and AIDS awareness.
This has me scratching my head a little, but I would rather pound North Carolina every year than have to deal with another cupcake on the schedule like New Mexico or YSU.
Trust in Delany.
 

just another psycho, irrational, delusional Ohio St fan

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

At least YSU added $1 Million to the state of Ohio 

741's picture

God I hope that was a sarcastic comment.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Nope. 
The difference between playing YSU versus, say Ball State, is that the $million that YSU gets goes back in some form to Ohio taxpayers whereas the money to the out-ot-state cupcakes goes home with them

741's picture

My primary concern as a longtime season ticket holder is to receive appropriate value for the price of the ticket - not subsidizing YSU (etc.) by paying a ridiculous price for a glorified scrimmage.
I'm so glad this era of scheduling the YSU's and/or Kent, Akron, Toledo, et al is coming to an end.
If we are going to schedule in state opponents to somehow benefit Ohio taxpayers, make it Cincinnati who at least plays in a BCS conference (for now).

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Playing at least one Ohio MAC school was a mandate from the Ohio State Legislature for the reason I outlined above.
The reason why the other OOC games have lacked imagination, been universally disrespected and carried far more risk than reward is due to Gene Smith  ... the worst AD of any reputable university in my memory.

741's picture

Prior to 1992, OSU went 58 years without playing an Ohio opponent or a MAC opponent.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2012/09/ohio_state_buckeyes_may_s...
I've never heard that the Ohio Legislature mandated the scheduling of Ohio opponents - seems very unlikely to me. Can you provide a link to support your statement?

Buckeyeneer's picture

I have heard about the law to play one Ohio school every year purported by many, on various message boards but I have never found proof that this is true.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

cplunk's picture

Interesting, but here's the thing- I don't see Delany going to UNC with an offer unless he can show them at the same time that they have to act now because the ACC is effectively done.
If its true, then I think it probably means UVA and GA Tech are already secretly locked in.
 

Bucksfan's picture

Look, Rutgers and Maryland, I get it...sort of misfits in their own worlds, no problem becoming part of something greater.  UVA is an incredible school, and a great take for similar reasons.  Georgia Tech?  For sure...Atlanta market, Sherman's march to destroy the South, I get it.  
But UNC?!  UNC separating itself from Duke would be devastating.  I like the Duke-UNC rivalry.  I think it's really important.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Who says that they will stop playing each other?
 

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Bucksfan's picture

It won't be the same.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

I watched the Kentucky Louisville game this year ... but then again once the BIG gobbles up UNC, why would I watch the UNC-Duke game when I can watch the OSU-UNC game.
HA HA HA HA
I am feeling superior again!!

Bucksfan's picture

Kentucky and Indiana used to play for YEARS.  Suddenly, not even that is sacred to either party...and everyone loses.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Your thinking transcends that of our current AD in every way

AndyVance's picture

If you haven't read my treatise on why UNC will be joining Georgia Tech and Virginia in the B1G, you'll want to read two of my recent pieces on conference expansion at my 11W blog:
Florida State as a B1G Candidate
Why Notre Dame is no Longer the B1G's White Whale

Poison nuts's picture

How's that new baby coming? Get there yet??

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

AndyVance's picture

Six days to the due date! I thought over the weekend she was having some signs that we might be getting close, but no news yet... Weekly checkup tomorrow, so we'll have a little better idea as to how we're coming :)
How are things at your house? Have you gotten through the early "everything feels/tastes yucky" stage?

BucksfanXC's picture

My little girl turns one on the 25th and #2 is due in August. Make sure to make a blog post to announce the birth so we can all congratulate and provide some tips and tricks. Then I'll see ya again in a few months, because you better get off here and either go sleep or get something productive done in your fleeting and brief moments of "free time"

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

AndyVance's picture

Congrats, mi amigo! Apparently quite a few of us are gestating this year... This is my first, and I'm really, really excited. Figure I'll have to add bags under my avatar's eyes in a few weeks, but I'll keep everyone posted :)

Buckeyeneer's picture

Congrats guys! I'll join the club. My #2 is due in about a month.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

dumpus's picture

until the "academic bowl" starts to bring in higher rating and revenues than the football games, this move just doesn't make any sense.  this doesn't make the conference stronger at all, and i'd even venture to say that it doesn't even make the TV footprint bigger. 
adding cupcakes to the conference schedule doesn't quiet the moans of having cupcakes on the schedule; what used to be an excuse for adding cupcakes is now becoming an explanation, or worse, a justification. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I just don't understand your logic in the presence of the facts as stated as above.
And can we please stop with the "strengthening of the conference" arguments.  I would hope that we all know by now that this has nothing to do with athletics.

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dumpus's picture

it has nothing to do with athletics.  or academics.  it has to do with financials.  i'm well aware of that, and my point still remains. 
UNC isn't even the the standout college athletics product in its home market (raleigh-durham) - UNC, NC State, Duke, and VT run pretty much neck and neck.  state-wide, its NC State and East Carolina.  by a longshot. 
http://www.commoncensus.org/sports_map.php?sport=5
from a TV perspective, the only people you're going to convert are the UNC alumns or the Walmart Tarheels.  casual fans are going to stick with the ACC; there's just too much competition within the market to lure anyone but the ones with a UNC diploma on the wall or those who wish they had one.  this isn't the same market as MD or Rutgers, where they're largely the only games in town - this is a super-saturated market with more than enough substitutes.

cplunk's picture

It doesn't matter who watches. It doesn't matter if the market is split amongst fifty teams, or a thousand. All that matters is that BTN is on basic cable in the market. 
BTN gets something like 10 cents per cable subscriber in a market that carries BTN but isn't a B1G state. It gets something like 90 cents per subscriber in a market that carries BTN and IS a Big ten state. If BTN is on basic cable, everybody that has cable is a subscriber. Even if nobody ever watches a single game.....
Viewership will come into play down the line, when it comes time for contract renewal, but there is plenty of time between now and then to make all sorts of things happen.
Thanks to the BTN contract, it really is simple- have a team in a state where BTN is on the basic cable package and make major dollars.

dumpus's picture

i get your point, but i think that everyone outside of the raleigh-durham area really really overestimates how many people actually give a shit about UNC down there, even alumni.  its an incredibly small fanbase locally - not many who go to UNC come from the area or stay in the area when they're done.  BTN is already going to be in the DC and NY metro areas courtesy of the MD and Rutgers deals, but unfortunately BTN isn't going to catch on down in Atlanta, another hotbed of UNC alumns.  
do you really think that BTN is going to be on basic cable in a market where UNC is a minority interest of the viewership?  where the entire Big10 makes up less than a fraction of the interest?  don't think that BTN, if it is included in basic cable at all, will make it anywhere outside of the immediate UNC vicinity.  Charlotte is gonna be left out, as will Wilmington and the entire lowcountry.  i can't think of a single cable provider who is in the financial shape to be willing to subsidize the BTN for $0.10 per sub over the entire subscriber base for a fractional viewership.
the only way this would work from a TV business perspective is to land UNC and UN State or East Carolina...its ALL about number of viewers and potential market size.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

do you really think that BTN is going to be on basic cable in a market where UNC is a minority interest of the viewership

Absolutely, and there's already convincing evidence that this will happen should UNC join. 
Check this out: 
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-foo...
and FYI, UNC is #30 and UVA is #36 in terms of fanbases - significantly larger than Maryland, equivalent to Rutgers.  I think you are underestimating UNC and UVA.

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dumpus's picture

i'm familiar with that page - i linked the map therein above. 
UNC is unlike any other team in the Big10 (aside from northwestern) in that its not the dominant program in its area.  with any other Big10 program, the subset of the overall TV viewership who are college athletics fans and follow the local team are incredible - in fact, some of the highest in the nation (ie: OSU, PSU, ILL, MICH); the BTN model works in Ohio and PA and MI and IL because if the person watching TV is a college athletics fan, there's something ridiculous like a consrvative 90% chance that the person is a fan of a Big10 program and thus will watch the BTN.
MD and RUT more similar to the rest of the Big10 as well because they *are* the dominant programs in their respective locales.  in these cases, the BTN bought a TV market with a collegiate program as an added sideshow.  
that simply isn't the case with UNC, the demographics and economics are just different.  given the proxmities and extent of NC State, Duke, GT, and VT to UNC within a 100 mile radius of raleigh-durham, I don't think its unfair (based on your link) to assign equal weighting to all 5 of these teams in terms of interest and viewership.  conservatively, if a viewer is watching tv and is a college athletics fan, there's only really a 20% chance that the person is a UNC (and causally a Big10 fan).  unfortunately, that doesn't even include the unaffiliated casual viewer who follows local sports just because its on - a viewer in the raleigh-durham area is much more likely to tune in to a random ACC game than a Big10 game simply because its more socially relevant; ie: a random Clemson v NC St game just seems more appealing to your average tobacco roader than does Nebraska v Iowa. 
this still brings us back to TV contracts and viewership, which honestly is what is driving this whole thing in the first place.  the providers pay for every subscriber, not every viewer - if the viewers don't watch, there's no business case for the providers to pay BTN to carry.   Verizon or Comcast are willing to pony up when they know the product they're subsidizing is going to be consumed by possibly 90% of the segment (like in PA, OH, WI, IN, IL, MI...) but I'm not so certain that they're going to be willing to do the same when they know that, at most, they're going to catch only 20% of the segments. 
i'll change what i said earlier: there are two ways this is going to work from a business perspective.
1) we bring in more than 1 team from the raleigh-durham viewership area (Duke, NC St, etc)
2) the Big10 actually pays the local providers to carry the BTN until the economics are actually known. 

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

There is nothing that makes the RDU area all that different from the NYC market, where Rutgers ONLY has 20.9% of share of market.  I recognize the point your making and I'm just going to agree to disagree with you.  I think the pressure will be there and the local Time Warner will be forced to pick up the Big Ten Network.  This has happened in every other market that the Big Ten Network is in and granted there were greater B1G fanbase populations, but it's been the norm.

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brylee's picture

BTN is already broadcast in the Charlotte area.  I was visiting my brother in law, and watched Ohio State nearly choke against Indiana last October.

cplunk's picture

Yup, they'll be on basic cable.
First, there is no way a guy like Delaney offers UNC without already being certain he has the leverage to force BTN onto the basic cable package in that area.
its all about pressure points and leverage. Existing viewpoints of UNC p is just one pressure point, and it's the least effective one, at that.
the first thing I'd bank on happening is UNC basketball (all sports actually) as well as all other B1G sports being pulled from broadcast in NC. This is exactly what BTN did with OSU, TSUN, and PSU games to get on cable in my northern virginia area. At the time there were no local schools, but the number of transplanted fans from those three schools was big enough, and those fans complained to the cable companies loudly enough, that the pressure worked.
NC is one of the fastest growing areas in the country, and the bulk of those transplants are in the technology field. The areas they come from? VA, MD, PA, and NJ. In other words, areas that are about to be B1G country. So it won't just be NC fans that complain, it'll be all the transplanted fans that want to see, for example, Penn State, that complain when they can't see any games.
thats a nice pressure point.
Next? UNC-Duke. ESPN loves that game. Most the nation loves that game. If the continuation of that game was expressly contingent upon the NC cable companies carrying BTN, do you think the cable companies would hear some complaints? Do you think ESPN might apply some pressure of their own?
Next? Well, not all complaints are equal. Complaints from powerful people matter more.  So if any of the political folks- Senators, House Reps, etc- attended UNC, i'd expect Delaney to be lobbying for them to use some influence. Fortunately for Delaney, what he's got is money, and politicians love them some political donations.
Also, it's worth pointing out that some of this may be unnecessary. If BTN is already on basic cable- and it's on in a number of surprising places- then the day UNC joins BTN gets the higher rate per subscriber. No negotiation needed.
this is all surface level, too. There are a million ways to leverage a negotiation, and they're all in the details. Trust me, if this rumor of a UNC offer is true, Delaney feels confident he has the necessary leverage to get the big bucks.

Boxley's picture

I know, but we have to keep repeating this unitl everyone realizes it is about MONEY, not sports.
Sports is just a part of it, and is NOT the determining factor in regards to conference expansion.
Academic monies are the driving force behind this, sports side is just the icing on the cake for those with short term viewpoints..

"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt

cplunk's picture

It makes the TV market flat out huge. This is a no brainer in terms of dollars. 

Basso Profondo's picture

Here we go again... These are some major institutions, no way they flake out in a matter of days like Maryland and Rutgers, if they move at all.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Flake out?
They already let Miami in, then V Tech and BC, then Syracus and Pitt ... hell, they almost allowed in Cincinnati.
This is not your grandfather's ACC.
They already showed that money is running the conference, so why not let more money run more conference??

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

This could also be the benchmark moment for the ACC. Turn down the B1G and it galvanizes the ACC to form a closer bond, much like what happened to the Big XII when it looked like it was about to implode.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

Riggins's picture

It's not schools like UNC, Texas, Ohio State etc. that keep a conference solidly united.  The kings will always be kings and they'll never be without a home.  Someone will always find them a room at the crowded inn.
It's the mid-level players with the wandering eyes that are often the downfall. 
Piture the children's story with the little Dutch boy who plugged the hole in the dike with his finger.  Right now the ACC is that dike.  The ACC schools are a bunch of little dutchmen with their fingers in the dike trying to plug the leaks.  Maryland has already abandoned their spot and ran for higher ground.  UNC knows it has a personal liferaft that will save them even if the dike collapses.  The other mid-level schools like Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, etc. are going to need to leave early if they're going to guarantee their safety.

Buckeyeneer's picture

It has been said that the B1G doesn't make an offer until the answer is known. If that is true, then its just a matter of timing.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Will UNC join without Duke coming along?? I can't see it.  If we are out to dismantle the ACC, we should get UNC, Duke, UVA, and GT.  That puts us at 18, room for Notre Dame and one more.
This whole expansion thing is gettng ridiculous. More teams in conferences than games played in a season makes no sense. Why doesn't Delany just buy the ACC, and set them up a network of thier own? wouldn't that be easier if this is about money and markets???

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

William's picture

Taking UNC and Duke wouldn't make sense. They aren't tied financially and they merely share a basketball rivalry that can be scheduled in the nonconference slate each season. Delany doesn't want to add two teams from a state, and if he did it would make more sense to take UNC-NC State as they are financially tied, and are the two largest schools in the state, with the two best athletic departments, and the two largest student bodies/alumni bases. 

Maestro's picture

I like dominoes.  Game not pizza.

vacuuming sucks

frozen buckeye's picture

How about an athletic conference run like a pizza chain?

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

In the end I can see this eliminating a bunch of fans traveling. Not tOSU fans, but asking Wisconsin and Nebraska fans to travel to North Carolina, New Jersey, and Washington DC is kind of rough.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Nebraska is just lucky to be here.
Appreciate your concern for all people, but all people are not created equal.  Bucky Badger gonna have to fly coach.

buckeyedude's picture

Wiscansin and Nebraskuh will be in the Western Division and NC and Rutgers, Maryland, PSU in the Eastern Division.
No worries, dude.

 

 

btalbert25's picture

The Duke Carolina rivalry will stay intact.  The schools would make sure to have a life time contract to play eachother non conference.  If anything, it'll make the rivalry better.  They'll go from playing eachother possibly 3 times per season to 1 time, making it all that much more important to win.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I'll take my shirt off, AND twist it 'round my head like a helicopter....

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Dr. House's picture

isn't UNC in the middle of an academic scandal? how will that effect the deal?

Nick's picture

no effect the ncaa stopped their investigation because they can't prove Unc pointed the athletes to the noshow classes etc 

William's picture

The only problem I have with this is UNC fans are the worst. I mean absolute worst. No one can hold a candle to their level of douchebaggery and bandwagoness (new word). The pluses are that UNC is an excellent university, with a solid-sized student body, and good athletic department. 

J.Mo's picture

No one can hold a candle to their level of douchebaggery

Ummm... how about M*ch*g*n?

William's picture

Not even close. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

I'm confused about the bandwagon comment though. I'd assume you mean they come out of the wood work the few times a decade their football team looks ok? Not sure if a Tarheel buckets fan can ever be considered a bangwaggoner.
As far as douches go, I'd be interested in seeing how they turn out because Michigan State fans sure are pretty darn douchey. Wisconsin's closet racism is a sight to behold as well. 

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

William's picture

You're absolutely correct about their football fans, they come out of the woodwork every 5-7 years, yet other than that they never fill up their stadium. 
Their basketball program is almost entirely followed by bandwagoners. Look how crappy they are right now, it's not like they're drawing a ton of attention, yet during the Hansbrough years everyone loved them. I've met people from California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania that had no ties to the state of North Carolina or UNC, yet they were huge Tarheel fans. Their fanbase is a joke, especially the student body. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

Hmm. That is interesting. I can certainly see how the football thing would be annoying-shoot Michigan State is in the grips of it right now!
As for the hoops team, I can come clean-I'm an NC fan. Much of it came from loving MJ when I was growing up but I survived as a fan during the Ed Cota years and still pull for them this year. Of course anyone who is considered Coach K's biggest rival should immediately be more popular because lets face it, Duke is just the worst.
As for ol "Psycho T" I really wish those 4 years can be unlived as a Heels fan. He was just the worst kind of hill billy.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

William's picture

Ehh I don't really care for Duke and I can't stand Coach K, but my distaste for Duke and Coach K pales in comparison to that of UNC and Roy Williams (major douchebag). 

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Oregon, Wisconsin, Miss St, Fresno, Duke basketball,

cronimi's picture

As a Buckeye transplant living in Charlotte for the last 13 years, I have to disagree. All fanbases have their fair share of d-bags. I would much rather be around a UNC grad/fan than a Dook, ND or tsun grad/fan. Granted, NC fans who don't have a Chapel Hill sheepskin on their wall can be insufferable -- but I don't think those people are any more obnoxious than the Domers who've never attended a class in South Bend or the skunks who've never been to Ann Arbor (who's still a whore, BTW). And, as much as it hurts to admit, Buckeye fans whose campus experience is limited to hanging out on High Street and/or watching a game in the 'Shoe often are pretty obnoxious too. 
Honestly, I would love for the B1G to admit UNC, if only for the selfish fact that I might be able to see the Buckeyes play more often: much easier to drive ~3 hours to CH than travel to CMH -- and FB tickets would be cheaper and easier to get. 

NYC Buckeye's picture

I would like to be excited about this, adding two top quality academic institutions in UNC and UVA, I just don't see it happening...  
Virginia maybe, but I don't think UNC has any desire at all to leave the ACC...

NC_Buckeye's picture

You might be right NYC. But Delany is pretty good at this. As someone said above this is either being floated out about UNC to get some movement among the disenfranchised ACC members (think non-Tobacco Road like FSU & GT). Once he gets two more, I think the rest of his pieces will start falling into place. Also, think he has someone big already in the bag (best guess is UVA).
OR... he's putting this out because he's already got two more ACC members lined-up and he wants to give UNC a chance to reconsider before he makes a final move.

NYC Buckeye's picture

yea I agree the only way he could would be to start pulling apart the ACC, to the point of financial hurt,  kind of forcing their hand,  because we all know UNC isn't going to the SEC or BIG XII....lol

MediBuck's picture

Virginia would be okay, but UNC would be a big coup indeed. Huge media market, solidifies the B1G's Atlantic foothold, elite academics, and a pretty fine basketball program to boot. Oh, and the Tarheels went 8-4 in Larry Fedora's first season despite a post-season ban and 15 scholarship reductions. They've been a permanent bowl fixture over the past decade and regularly bring in Top 20 recruiting classes. They may not be the Texas or Notre Dame we've been chasing, but a very solid addition. If for nothing else, it'll give Ohio State additional leverage for recruiting the Virginia region, where we've had increasing success thanks to Everett Whithers.

"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes

bucki5's picture

End game B1G predictions.
1: 20 teams - 4 divisions
Atlantic - Maryland, Rutgers, Boston College, Georgia Tech, North Carolina
North - Minnesota, Michigan State, Michigan, Purdue, Northwestern
Midwest - Ohio State, Penn State, Virginia, Indiana, Notre Dame
Great Plains - Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kansas
2: The B1G adopts a 10 conference game schedule with each division playing all other members, and 2 members of each other division on a home/away basis.
3: No longer will conference champions be determined by a simple extra game for best record from division leaders.  Enter the B1G Championship Tournament.  Each division leader enters into a 4 team playoff giving the B1G an added advantage of being accustomed to the playoff format and extending the season into Mid-December.
4: A Bronze statue of Jim Delany will be placed at the main entrance to all B1G member stadiums.

Dougger's picture

hahaha for #4
this stuff is crazy

I like football

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

No tourney will happen in football in our lifetimes, the divisions are terminally unbalanced and UVA will want to be in our division about as much as we want them there.

rampageripster's picture

God those pods are horrible.  Separate UVA from all their ACC buddies.  Separate Minnesota from all their rivals.  Separate IU and Purdue... no accounting for actual rivalries.  Also, where is Illinois? You added too many teams.
I think you need to think geographically to a point, but then need to take into account the way certain schools are connected.
I'm gonna try and use your proposed expansion, but I don't think we get Kansas, so I'm gonna leave them out.
Pod 1: UMD, UNC, GT, BC, UVA
-You gotta keep them together.  It's the best way to make them not feel like the red-haired step child.
-Not a whole lot of blue-bloods.  But some serious room for growth.
Pod 2: tOSU, PSU, RU, IU, PU
-Right now, we would own this pod, but PSU will rebound and there is a lot of room to grow with Rutgers.
-the core of Ohio St/Penn St/Rutgers is a must.  We are the only team PSU really feels any sort of connection too, and you have to give them one of the new eastern adds.  Rutgers fits best since they have no connection with the ACC group.
Pod 3: UM, MSU, ND, NW, Ill
-Illinois is a tough one to work with, but I think that their rivalry with NW has the most future potential, and balances the pod a little bit.
-Right now, the pod is death, but it is chock-full of tradition
Pod 4: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Neb, Mizzou
- I'm not convinced Mizzou is an addition, but for our excercise I'll use them.  This is the pod any western expansion would go.
-You seperating Minnesota from ALL there main rivals is a really silly error.  the Iowa/Minn/Wisc block is a big deal and should stay together

Cause I couldn't go for three

cplunk's picture

If you put TSUN and OSU in different pods then you have eliminated The Game one yer out of every three.

David Sokol's picture

Duke and UNC could still play each other once per year. It would actually make the rivalry pretty exciting.
I would love this move especially because it waves the bird at Duke. 

LouieG's picture

The ACC was doomed the second they signed their contract with ESPN.  That contract pays the schools less then the B1G, SEC, PAC and Big 12 and it gave ESPN the conferences 3rd tier rights.  FSU realized that the ACC left a ton of money and the table and that is why they flirted with the Big 12 and it is also why FSU and MD voted against the 50MM opt out fee.  They both realized that the ACC left money on the table and they wanted to have an option to bolt for greener pastures if the opportunity presented itself.  I think when MD jumped it opened some eyes in the ACC.

setman's picture

I understand the argument that North Carolina fans see themselves as southern. And if this were the ACC of ten years ago, I could see no way that they would leave that predominantly southern conference. However, the expansions of the last decade, have really removed much of that conference identity. BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Miami, even Florida State all brought in to strengthen the conference, might ironically have eliminated the conference identity, making the unthinkable, possible

RedStorm45's picture

Dude, the ultimate frisbee competition is going to be insane!
 
Um, cool I guess, if it happens.  Not really adding anything football-wise.  Again.  But it's pretty clear 14 and even 16 isn't the end game in all this expansion.  Shooting for 18 or 20 it sounds like.

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Slight insult intended, but if you want to play high level ultimate, you gotta play against the Pac.

sarasotabcg's picture

confirmed invites to UVA and UNC on Big12 premium board.
Also,
FSU/Miami to Big12.
VT/NCSU to SEC.
 
None of these are a shock as these matches have been known since last Nov. Although the B1G talk was UVA and GT, UNC is the bigger fish. Also, Clemson initially #12 for the Big12, but Miami is the bigger fish.
 

JollyFatMan's picture

I can only wonder how many dominos from the ACC would fall back to the Big East if that would fall. Merger?

How firm thy friendship..

Menexenus's picture

Boo!  No schools from Confederate states in the Big Ten!  We're the North and the SEC is the South.  Don't mess with history!

Real fans stay for Carmen.

CptBuckeye24's picture

The War of Northern Aggression

jvd253's picture

Might be too late for that line of reasoning: Maryland was a slave-permitting border state.

"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Ohio1St81's picture

I'll believe it when I hear it from somewhere other than Twitter. 

Rooster Buckburn's picture

So UNC, UV and GT would take us to 17 in the B1G - assuming 18 is the goal, who will that be?

cplunk's picture

Now that's the million dollar question. 
1) If Delaney wants Notre Dame, I'd have to think there will never be a better time to push the issue
2) I don't think Delaney wants Duke, but if UNC is hard-line enough about only leaving the ACC with Duke and Delaney can't scare them with other ACC defections, then it could be Duke
3) Dark horse Florida State, with their defined plan for future AAU membership. 
Those seem to me the most likely candidates.

BuckeyeVet's picture

I get it, I get it, I get it. I understand the dollars. The BTN subscriptions, the advertising dollars, the ACU research dollars - all of it. And I understand trying to position ourselves against moves by the SEC, etc....
But we & college football are selling our souls. Doesn't this all make you a little sad? Who wants to play UNC in football every year (or whatever schedule)? Where's the rivalry? I'd rather play all, or as many of the B1G teams as possible every year. Purdue may not be any better than UNC in football, but don't you think Purdue wants to pay us back next year? Would anybody rather drive to Purdue than Georgia to pull for your team? What has happened to growing by only bringing in states & schools adjoining existing members? Who the hell is excited about Georgia Tech? Really? Because of the cultural fit with Minnesota? I know, I know - the traditions will grow with the new schools, the rivalries will grow as wins & losses are traded.....blah, blah, blah..... At what cost? 
We're losing what makes college football "COLLEGE FOOTBALL"! The traditions, the travel, the hatred for a school that beat you last year? Or my undying hatred of all things Michigan? When UM beat OSU in Bo's first year my father & I were in mourning for weeks. And the white hot hatred that engendered the next year? Anyone else still hold a grudge for MSU beating Cooper's best team? Bastards.
Is it just me, or does this make anyone else a little sad?  

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

cplunk's picture

Not just you. I like the old pre-PSU Big Ten, the original sized Big East, the ACC without Miami, and the Southwest Conference and Big Eight. I miss the Metro conference too.
Each change has made me a little more nostalgic. 
it'll all get better once we hit the superconferences because things will be more stable.
i really think though that the college football-ness of college football started to die with the BCS, and playoffs will further drive a stake into its heart. Not saying that what wr'll have won't be great, or maybe even better in some ways, but it'll never be the same.

JollyFatMan's picture

Agreed instability and change always does ruffle some feathers.. but once everything gets settled, much like with PSU-OSU, rivalries can blossom and thrive IMO. 

How firm thy friendship..

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Agree that OSU-PSU is one of the successes that have come through realignment

BuckeyeVet's picture

Thanks, Cplunk. I just think we are irreparably diluting & damaging the the few elements of the game of college football that makes it unique.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

cplunk's picture

Ugh, I just read in your profile that you beat Anderson on pk's. Now I'm bitter.
Anderson class of 89.
You're still right about the STate of college football, but ugh.

BuckeyeVet's picture

@CPLUNK - Well, it's a small world now. That was a hell of a game at your place in 1976. I'm Class of 1977, Worthington. You wore us out - couldn't muster up enough to hang on & beat Brecksville for the championship. I owe you a beer & we'll swap stories if you're ever in Columbus! 

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

Basso Profondo's picture

I'm right there with you, because let's be honest: if there wasn't so much money in this, would anyone be jumping ship? Would the thought even cross our minds? Are things really that bad that conferences need to disintegrate and join up with others? Doesn't feel right to me. 
The academic reasoning is silly, because all the profs already know anyone else in their field, and the students just study.  Does adding an AAQ school add anything to the B1G as a whole? It's not like Nebraska gets points for tsun being a public ivy... None of us do, academic standards are on a per university basis. 

BuckeyeVet's picture

Follow the money....

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

hodge's picture

But, to be fair, isn't that "classic conference" nostalgia a little biased? Ohio State wasn't originally a "Western Conference" member, and still our rivalry with Michigan was maintained, even though we were playing first independently and then within the Ohio Athletic Conference up until 1912. I understand that the expansion of geographical boundaries dilutes the regional "flavor" that's largely defined college football's past, but I think it's safe to say that those days have long since passed. In fact, it was one John Cooper that really started the trend of "national recruiting", and it was said practice that really began the trend of "nationalizing" (but not homogenizing) the game. I mean, really, what's the difference between playing the best amalgamation of talent that Georgia Tech can muster compared to Purdue? Sure, there'll be some regional influence, but the fact of the matter is that the roster's won't be as geographically divergent as they might have been 40 years ago.  Television isn't just for the most prestigious teams, and clever maximization of its fruits far eclipses any kind of geographic continuity. 
Maybe it's just because I'm young, but I could honestly care less about winning (or playing in) the Rose Bowl. Like the guys who play, a Big Ten title is no longer considered the end game of a successful season.  That's the one thing that the BCS has done right; it's at least brought attention to and hyped the quest for the sport's national title. Consider the league championships' loss of prestige (and subsequent devaluation of maintaining their regional focus) the price we paid to get a real championship for the sport, and the ability to win said championship without the title of said league. 
Sure, certain rivalries will wither, but the important ones (i.e. Michigan and Penn State) will endure--making way for new rivalries that will define this new age of College Football. Sure, it's a bit scary--but isn't the prospect of a championship playoff and some fresh meat for Urban to feast upon just a little exiting? I know I'm lookin forward to it. 

Unky Buck's picture

Great points, Hodge. I'm not really going to expand on your points because I agree with them and see no need to. The only thing I will say for those who think back to the old days and wish for it's return is that there are only a few certainties in this life and one of them is change...let's just embrace it. There's nothing wrong with being nostalgic and remembering the past; we just need to accept inevitable changes.

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buckeyedude's picture

I have a feeling NCarolina and UVA, if the rumors are true, are singing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A
For the love of money, by the O'jays.
Money money money money, money (x6)
Some people got to have it
Some people really need it
Listen to me y'all, do things, do things, do bad things with it
You wanna do things, do things, do things, good things with it
Talk about cash money, money
Talk about cash money- dollar bills, yall

For the love of money
People will steal from their mother
For the love of money
People will rob their own brother
For the love of money
People can't even walk the street
Because they never know who in the world they're gonna beat
For that lean, mean, mean green
Almighty dollar, money

Great f$*king tune, by a great f$%king band, right there, brah.

 

 

osu_que's picture

Crazy thought, forget competitive balance. Offer ND, Florida, Texas and another school. Offer huge money. Put OSU, SCUM, ND, Florida, Texas, PSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin, MSU, and Iowa in the same division. Winner will always win big ten champ game and runner up probably makes playoff also. 

BuckeyeVet's picture

A fun idea to think about, because as you said - crazy!
But it brings up another point - why would we want UNC in the conference? They bring nothing to the football scenario that we don't already we have, and it creates 1 more tough competitor for our basketball team? Do we really need OSU winning less B1G championships? Because UNC will good year in & year out. 

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx 
 

osu_que's picture

Think about it. You get the tv markets. Huge money for those markets for sure. A competitive division and the other division has a "fighting chance to play in championship" while big boy division gets to fight for national champ birth every year. And everyone makes big money with no ball or competitive let down. Who says no?

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Just make those schools one conference and shitcan the rest.  Go to 9 conference games and you play everybody every year.

Class of 2010.

741's picture

I still can't believe the B1G hasn't signed Notre Dame yet, and assuming that is just never going to happen, a combo of Georgia Tech and North Carolina seems like the best case scenario to me. (But ND and GaTech would be ideal.)

GoldenBearBuckeye's picture

Love those golden helmets.  The indication of high academics and the requirement of high moral character ..... in 1920

ColumbusBornAndRaised's picture

Jim Delany is a straight up gangster in a suit. And I love it.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

TSUN/UNC in basketball every year...hopefully no TSUN players call timeouts that they don't have.

Class of 2010.

Knarcisi's picture

UNC?  I live near Charlotte.  Why not?  I could travel less than 3 hours to see my Buckeyes. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

I live in the Raleigh area. Less than 1.5 hours to CH. If this happens, I'll be in heaven.

rampageripster's picture

I love reading these posts and all these people whining about "selling our souls".  Conference realignment has been happening FOREVER!
-Tulane and GT are charter members of the SEC.  That was only formed when the Southern Conference (current homes of Davidson and College of Charleston) which had charter members including VT, UMD, Bama, and Tenn.  Both Duke and WVU did a stint here
- The Big 8 sucking in the SWC pieces was seen as a disastrous move.  Now people are going nuts about the B12 selling out their "tradition"
- Virginia Tech has been in 5 different conference (including the A-10) and did a stint as an independent.
-The Metro Conference was around all the way up to '95 and had members the like of Florida St, South Carolina, Memphis, Rutgers, and East Carolina.  Heck, St. Louis was a charter member.
- Look at the current state out west.  The WAC is dead for football.  But at one point it had 16 members.  Now 7 of those 16 are reunited in the MWC.  It is now a basketball only conference and is adding members like Chicago State, Grand Canyon, Missouri-Kansas City, and Utah Valley.
Most people here have a distorted view of the situation because we've been in the same conference with basically the exact same teams for a LONG time.  The only conference on the FBS level (ivy league is obviously similar) that even comes close is the Pac-12 which was the Pac-8 for awhile before adding the Arizona schools (which were at one point in the WAC) and then Colorado and Utah.
Change is actually the status quo, regardless of how up in arms the media gets about the realignment.  The college conference landscape has ALWAYS been fluid and constantly changing. in 30 years, people will look back in confusion when you say that Colorado and Nebraska used to play in the same conference.

Cause I couldn't go for three

NC_Buckeye's picture

So true RR. And like someone said on another post -- this current wave of conference realignment did not start with the Big Ten. It started with the ACC stealing Miami & BC from the Big East. It's time the ACC starts feeling the heat IMO.

Unky Buck's picture

You can throw Virginia Tech in there as well. They originally left with Miami back in 2004. I don't think they were in the Big East very long from what I remember, so it's not like they were established commodities like Miami and BC, but they were in the conference nonetheless.

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cplunk's picture

I really miss the Metro Conference. That's where Cincy was when I grew up. 
If it had stuck together it actually would have had decent football:
Florida State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida, Southern Miss, Memphis and Tulane for football.
Plus VCU, St. Louis, and UNC Charlotte in basketball.
 

harleymanjax's picture

We need to raid the SEC and take Florida so I can get the BTN on my TV down here!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Poison nuts's picture

No BTN in JV?

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

harleymanjax's picture

Not on the Comcast basic plan

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

rightfield's picture

The B1G may not have won a football NC game for awhile but they are winning the conference realignment war. It will pay off handsomely in the future.

Its good to be the king