Trials of the Honey Badger

October 16, 2012 at 1:32p    by Jason Priestas    
31 Comments

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William's picture

"but I would smoke too, dealing with everything."

This encompasses everything that is wrong with society. What an effing joke. 

buckeyeEddie27's picture

If I could upvote you 100 times I would.   I can't express enough how much I agree with you.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

USMC11917's picture

Weakness is cancerous. Up voted.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

It sure is tough being a superstar athlete. Doing what you love and being worshipped for it.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

NObuck-I-inTEAM's picture

I would upvote both of these comments if I could.

Denny's picture

Everything? Nah.

Taquitos.

William's picture

How'd I get a downvote for my comment? Ridiculous. 

hodge's picture

I've given up trying to understand why quality comments get downvoted.  This is the only real flaw in the "comment voting" system that we have in place here.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I know what u mean. I got a down vote yesterday for saying I loved Aaron Craft.

Who doesn't love that kid?

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William's picture

Upvoted to counter the downvote someone gave you. 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I up-voted your up-vote. ;)
WOULD THE CLOSET CRAFT HATER PLEASE STOP DOWN VOTING ME
There are places you can go to deal with your feelings of inadequacy. I promise there is help out there -- even for you. I swear.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Seriously with the down-vote?
Hey Aaron, you need to get a more emotionally stable girlfriend.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Earle's picture

Good one!  Upvote for you!

Just say no to italics abuse.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

"But I would drink, too.  If I was dealing with a stressful situation." hmmm, suddenly it doesn't sound too far fetched.

William's picture

Sure it does. Relying on any substance as a means to handle stress is weak. This is another thing that is wrong with society, we rely on substances to take care of our problems, instead of dealing with them ourselves. The American populace has had a recent spike in the consompution of anti-psychotics with no increase in the rate of psychotic disorders in the past 50 years. It's disgusting and weak. 

BuckeyeW's picture

There's a lot wrong with your attitude, but I agree with some of your sentiment. You can't just say people using substances to de-stress is disgusting and weak. You can't even say that about addictions, because it's just not that simple. 
Stress is not always something you just "deal with." Not all problems are things we can just "take care of." I think it's natural human instinct to take advantage of things that lower stress, even for temporary relief. Calling that disgusting and weak is nonsensical. I think you're confusing the issues a bit and categorizing recreational use or habitual use as over-reliance. And maybe, just maybe, that's not the case for our entire society and/or the whole American populace.
That said, I agree with your conclusions in many cases of anti-depressants, ADHD meds, things like that. 
(PS, not my downvote)

Pam's picture

You are making no distinction between using alcohol and drugs like pot and psychiatric meds. that treat anxiety and depression. People who have diabetes or high blood pressure must rely on medication in order manage there illness. Mental illness is no different. Taking anti-depressants to treat depression IS dealing with it yourself. It is neither a sign weakness nor is it disgusting.

William's picture

Pam, people in need of anti-depressants/anti-psychotics certainly need them, I never said they didn't. The problem is many Americans are being given prescriptions for anti-psychotics/anti-depressants when they don't need them. The UK axed the anti-depressant portion of their national health care system for all cases with the exception of those they find severely depressed. A study by their health institute found that unless one is severely depressed, so those that are moderate or slightly depressed, it was found that anti-depressants provided no benefits. That is why the UK now runs self-esteem camps, or get well camps essentially, and the returns have been far better. Also the rate of psychotic disorders has not increased in the past 50 years, yet our consumption of anti-psychotics has greatly increased. The point is people are reaching for the pill when they shouldn't be. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=health&adxnnlx=1348752352-mVIT3SMxZdI3S6l3yl+x2A&

William's picture

Seriously who the Hell downvoted this? I cited a freaking report by the NY Times...

Pam's picture

There is massive inequity in the NHS and its mental health policy. There is here in the USA but laws have been passed that require ins. companies to treat mental illness equally as they do with chronic physical conditions. I work for a pharma co. and know all about the NHS and how it has failed to adequately treat mental illness. I would rather have some people taking meds. they may not need than have many many more not have access due to arbitrary guildlines.  Mental illness is not one size fits all and requires very close monitoring. This can only happen when patients have a provider and access to meds. There is also unfortunately a stigma about mental illness such as the belief that it means you are "weak" if you need help. That is not only false, but dangerous.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

There is certainly a difference between use, abuse and addiction. Most drugs affect the limbic region of your brain by releasing or blocking the re-uptake of dopamine -- from anti-depressants to cocaine. Many times people with mental health issues self-medicate with illicit drugs and/or alcohol, in fact most users/abusers indicate the initial use of the substance is the first time they have felt normal. Why am i saying all this? Because once a person reaches the addiction part, there is no longer a choice as their brain has been trained to rely on the substance in order to release the dopamine. If this trigger does not occur, the brain goes into survival mode and despite the logic of knowing you will not die without the substance, the brain compels you to use as the brain believes it is going to die without it.
Having said all of this, the over-medicating of our society is a very real thing. Many times an internist MD will rx an anti-depressant or some other pshychotropic medication based on self reports of the patient. If psychiatrists were limited to rx'ing these meds, half of the problem would be solved. As a whole, we are relying heavily on medication and skipping the therapy that is needed in conjunction with the TEMPORARY phamacuetical relief provided by the drugs. People by and large are band-aiding their mental health issues with drugs instead of treating them with the appropriate psychotherapy.
Remember when it was sexy and fashionable to smoke cigarettes? Remember all those ads designed to make smoking fun? There is not much difference in how drugs -- both legal and otherwise -- are presented to our culture thru all forms of media.
My point? Honey Badger's bro is making excuses. He smoked weed cause he's young, it's part of the culture, and hey it feels good. Own it. But having said that, the use/abuse/addiction of America is not that simple.

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Pam's picture

Is insulin a TEMPORARY relief for diabetes? Depression is a chronic condition like diabetes that requires maintence medication in most cases. Psychiatists are specialists and prescribing psych. meds is their primary function. Limiting presctptions is not the answer. My belief is that GP's (the ones who prescribe the majority) should not be prescribing pysch. meds since it is not their expertise. The only way a Dr. can diagnose mental illness is through self reports from the patient. There is no urine or blood test like there is for diabetes and hypertension nor is there a cure.  All of the psychiatrists I deal with will NOT prescribe meds. unless the patient does talk therapy. Diabetes can be controlled by diet, but sometimes diet AND insulin are necessary. Talk therapy only can work for some, while others need both. As i said before, it is not a one size fits all illness.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Are you aware of how many children are diagnosed with ADHD/ADD by their pediatrician based on the behaviors described by parents? This is what I mean when I say limit the rx of meds to those who are qualified to make the diagnosis. Although there does not exist a blood or urine test, there are mulitple screening tools used to assess for various mental illnesses--tools NOT utilized by GP's or internists and for this reason, meds should only be rx'd by psychiatrists. You are very fortunate to work with doctors who insist on talk therapy, however this is not the norm. I would agree there exist some mental health disorders which will require medication for a long term (schizophrenia, bipolar disorder), however medication should not be the end of treatment and a goal of therapy should always be to come off medication. For example, in the case of anxiety. It would be very easy to present at your primary care physician's office and complain of these symptoms. Your primary care doc may simply write you a script for Xanax. Does he/she know that Cognitive Behavioral Therapy has been shown to work better than meds for this disorder? Chances are, he/she has not. I realize you work for a phamaceutical company, but America is far too heavily medicated -- and not just in terms of mental health.

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Pam's picture

I said exactly that. That GP's should not be diagnosing mental illness and prescribing meds when a psychiatrist is an MD with a specialization and the diagnostic tools.  You don't go to a OB-GYN for chest pains, why a GP for psych. issures.
The goal for any patient is to get/feel better,there is no "should be". Insulin does not cure diabetes and SSRI's don't cure depression but both allow patients to manage their illness. They decision to go off or stay on meds. is up to the patient and their Dr.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

We don't disagree, but I do think the goal is to 'be' better. I just contend there are ways to do this that do not necessarily mean medication. It may be easier and it may be necessary in the short term, but no one should be on long term anti-depressants for anxiety or depression nor should they be on a medication regiment absent psychotherapy. And being insulin dependent is apples to oranges. There is no talk-therapy that can heal your liver.
The sad reality is that in general people have been led to believe they need pharmacological assistance when they may not. There are several non-western and homeopathic remedies that do not involve manufactured substances. Just one woman's opinion :)

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Pam's picture

I have been taking an SSRI for 16 years after experiencing PPD after my son was born. At one point I told my Dr. I wanted to stop. She weaned me off slowly and I will never do it again. I refuse to suffer needlessly when there are drugs that aliviate the depression that has plagued me since I was a teenager but went undiagnosed until the PPD made it unmanageable.  There isn't a vitamin or herb out there that helps boost production of seritonin to the levels needed to manage depression and neither can psychotherapy. The diatetes analogy is appropriate because it is a chronic illness that has to be managed with diet and/or insulin (produced by the pancreas not the liver). You don't see the comparision to anxiety and depression because you are dismissing them as actual illnesses like diabetes or hypertension. You would never tell someone that they should not be on insulin long term when the result would be death. Depression can be and too often is fatal. Believe it or not pharma truly does care about aliviating suffering and not all Dr.'s are pill pushers. Those manufactured substances (like insulin) save lives you know. I should know, they saved mine

Buckeyejason's picture

I agree William there's gyms out there for a reason.

BUCKEYES BABY!

BROSEPH's picture

"I'm not going to try to make excuses for him, but I'm going to make excuses for him."

cajunbuckeye's picture

I can't believe this kid is still a story. How about some articles on some players that are doing everything right instead.

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Buckeyejason's picture

but I would smoke too, dealing with everything." (si.com)

I bet you would.

BUCKEYES BABY!

741's picture

I bet you would, Panama Red.