Southern Exceptionalism Down Here

August 8, 2012 at 2:45p    by Jason Priestas    
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BrewstersMillions's picture

Unbridled arrogance at its finest. "It'll end someday, probably on a bad call..."
Wow....Well here's to hoping what Urban and Kiffin are building can go a long way in knocking these guys off of their thrones.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

spqr2008's picture

Sherman should've marched west.

Buckeyejason's picture

Earth to you ignorant southern hillbillys...God could care less about "foozeball"!!!!!

BUCKEYES BABY!

William's picture

Mfw this guy is probably related to Braxton Bragg...

Pam's picture

"I wish, often, that we cared as deeply about other things here in my native South as we do football."
Like obesity, education, poverty, literacy. But y'all play some might fine football down there.

tennbuckeye19's picture

If this guy is like almost every other Southern man I have run into since living in the South for 10 plus years, and he sounds EXACTLY like most of the SEC loving folks I've met, he really only cares about one thing. 

William's picture

Obesity: Detroit and Cleveland cough cough
Education: UNC, NCSU, Duke, and Wake Forest are in one state alone. This doesn't even take into account UVA, VT, UGA, UF, Emory-Riddle, Emory. Also take a look at Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and other's school systems, they suck too...
Poverty: Rust Belt cough cough
Literacy: The whole nation...
I agree with some stereotypes of the South, but some are just way off base. I'll agree that some parts of the South are sketchy Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama, but some are quite nice, like North Carolina, Virginia,  and Georgia..

Pam's picture

Fattest states:
1.Mississippi (winner 6 years in a row)
2. Louisiana
3. Tennessee
4. Kentucky
5. Oklahoma
6. West Virginia
7. Alabama
8. Arkansas
9. Missouri
10. TIE: Michigan and South Dakota
Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama and Kentucky are also the poorest states. Mississppi is #1 in that category as well.
 
 

BrewstersMillions's picture

Oh don't be so defensive dude. Obviously there are bright spots in the south and dark spots in the north but you aren't exactly undoing the generalizations about the south by naming a few good colleges below the Mason\Dixon line.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

William's picture

I'm not arguing that the South doesn't have its problems, it clearly does, but I find all of the "uneducated, hillbilly, mouthbreather SEC folk" stereotypes to be a bit tired and off base. I just find the belief that the North is infinitely superior to be arrogant, just like the opinion of SEC mouthbreathers who believe that they're better because "God is on their side."

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

My mother-in-law remembers running up to a 'colored' water fountain in the south when she was a kid because she thought it had rainbow colored water. She is from the north and she's only 62 now. Cough cough.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I liked the section of his Southern football love-fest where he talks about football scandals and mentions USC and Penn State. Not on the scale of the PSU stuff (nothing is in the same ballpark as the Sandusky stuff) but as far as scandals go, the Cam Newton stuff and the legitimacy of Auburn's NC was/is  a pretty big deal, but gets no mention.

southbymidwest's picture

Why bless your soul Tennbuckeye19! My Auburn friends think that Auburn is squeaky clean in regards to Cam Newton's recruitment (and any other Auburn recruitment, for that matter). As far as they are concerned, it is only the jealous haters who keep saying that it is a scandal. I question how an SEC team can remain competitive in the SEC and yet remain clean.

E2Brutus's picture

Wow... there's so much air in this piece I could feel a breeze just sitting here at work.
There are probably about 2,500 words in this article (At least 2,000 more than most southern schools require for a good essay) and this guy actually has a coherent message and like the way he writes but man... this whole thing is just dripping with arrogance - not pride.
Skip the whole thing! This guy loves college football. He says the people in the south live and die by it and well basically it is all that matters... that and church.
But here's the thing: It isn't just the south or Alabama. As much as he wants to lay claim to college football team jingoism being a "southern" thing. It's not. We all LOVE our teams. It all MATTERS probably a little more than it should. The days the Bucks lose are the darkest of my fall. The wins are GLORIOUS! And I "helped!" When I cheered, because I put my Eddie jersey on first thing in the morning with my "For Ohio!" t-shirt underneath, when i played "Carmen Ohio" right before kickoff. In the end I know none of it really matters but hey we all LOVE our team.
That, though, is not something this guy is willing to accept. You may 'love' your team but you don't LOVE your team like they do in the south (insert cousin joke). What a crock! Another example of ESPN Derping the crap out of everything.

Johnny Ginter's picture

i'll admit that i am incredibly biased against the south and southern culture in general but i am so sick of self congratulatory articles about how the south cares more and that's why they win.

even pretending that lower academic standards, oversigning, and outright paying players don't give some kind of competitive advantage, the idea that ~*~HEART~*~ and ~*~SOUTHERN PRIDE~*~ are somehow an effective counterweight to the stupidity and problems found in the south and in southern universities is total BS.

it's the same crap the south has been spewing for hundreds of years: they're special unique snowflakes and their peculiar institutions of fraud and prejudice are simply a result of them just being so damn great.

guess what? as one atlantaite once said: "lean a little bit closer and see that roses really smell like poo poo poo"

William's picture

Because OSU has such incredible admission standards for its football athletes? Yeah, and the moon is made out of cheese. I hate the mouth breathing SEC folk, but I also cannot stand the " the North is clearly superior" folk.. 

schooey's picture

Sports wise you are correct. But, culture wise, in general, the North is clearly superior (far). 

William's picture

The argument would've been valid 4-5 decades ago, but now? Not so much. This year I ran into just as many bigots, etc. up in Ohio, as I did growing up in NC.

Pam's picture

50 years ago? Jim Crow laws were still in effect. The Civil Rights Act had not been passed yet and the SEC was segregated.  'Bama was the last team to so do in 1970.  The south has been behind the rest of the country socially, educationally and economically for over 100 years.

William's picture

"The argument would've been valid 4-5 decades ago"- I'm agreeing here Pam....
Of course the South has been behind economically, it still hasn't come close to recovering from the Civil War. That's what happens when you have an agrarian society based on slave labor, but to even argue that the North is doing so much better is laughable.
Take a gander: http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm/

Johnny Ginter's picture

most big ten schools actually do have higher admission standards for football scholarships than most SEC schools, but that's neither here nor there. the larger point is that dumb articles like this try to handwave away real, systemic problems with artificial BS and exceptionalism

it has nothing to do with being "superior," it has everything to do with an utter refusal to take a hard look at who they are and what they do because they are somehow special (when they aren't, aside from an increased willingness to cheat)

let me put it this way; after the sandusky scandal, on this very site we ran multiple articles talking about the danger of OSU falling into the trap that penn state did of allowing hero worship and a desire to win cloud our perception of right and wrong. taking a good hard look in the mirror is important. sometimes i don't feel many in the south are capable of it.

schooey's picture

The South sucks, for the most part. (I few days ago I experienced the Orlando airport and I am still recovering. What country was I in? The smell from the bathrooms is audible from the gates. What are they feeding people down there?) 

William's picture

"The South sucks."- references Florida, a state that is essentially an elderly home for Northerners...

schooey's picture

Yeah, I know. But I used to live in SC and can make some arguments about how much the South sucks. Florida is diverse; Jacksonville is different from Orlando is different from Tampa is different from Miami. But, in general, and this did originally have to do with academic standards, the South sucks. You would have to look West before South for academics, even with regard to football. 

William's picture

Oh I agree, South Carolina is terrible. I just find it funny that this buckshot is supposed to be dealing with "Southern Exceptionalism" and how it creates a cult-like status and how that can become so detrimental, even though it has yet to occur in the South (SEC/ACC) to our knowledge, but it has occured twice in the "superior" North with Penn State and Syracuse.

Jason Priestas's picture

I'll just put this out there: Name a major startup in the SEC footprint that isn't in Austin (and that's a stretch to consider it the SEC's footprint, but A&M and all...).

They're all in The Valley, Boston, New York, Chicago and DC.

Also, this. 2008! 2-0-0-8!

Pam's picture

Progress!! They sure do things slow down there don't they? Except for football. SEC Speed!

William's picture

True, then again Silicon Valley isn't in the North as in Northeast/Midwest, and neither is DC. I'd consider DC to be much closer to "Southern Culture" than "Northern Culture", but you do have a valid point. Although Southern Florida is starting to experience a bit of a "start-up Renaissance."
I've watched that documentary and I found it so disgusting that such a thing still existed as a segregated prom. Then again all places have their dark spots, and this is still headquartered in Chicago.
^If what I linked is considered to violate any policies, remove it.

Denny's picture

DC is a northern city in terms of education, southern in terms of charm -- but there's also lots of northeastern corridor attitude here as well. 

Taquitos.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Ya, well the most racist organization in the history of the country is based in...um...oh Indiana?
Moving along now....
For the record, when I was in college, I always felt like Illinois and Ohio should each invade Indiana, meet and Indy, and split the difference between the two of them. Then of course, that left my beloved Illinois stuck with South Bend, so really it was a rock and a hard place...

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

schooey's picture

I forgot what I was going to say.. something about Southern welfare states etc.. AHHDHDHAH fuck is it FOOTBALL season yet!!?? 
Alright, three weeks to kill. I really will be better when this summer is over. 

William's picture

This. So much this.

cal3713's picture

Personally, I dislike California, and rich uppity places where people pretend to be cultured.  I'm pretty sure Europe thinks we're all hicks... 

Pam's picture

Only the French think that.

William's picture

Mainly the Parisians. In Western France, Americans are treated like gods. A lot of people in the UK don't think as highly of us, especially the Northern Irish, and English. Anyway, Europe can suck a fat one; I've never run into so many rude people in such a short time-span as when I visited Italy and Greece. 

AkronBuckeye13's picture

I spent last fall down in Louisiana for an internship and I actually went to a few LSU games (sporting my Buckeyes hat of course). Most of the people I met were pretty nice however I would love nothing more than an Urban Meyer coached Buckeyes team to beat an SEC team in a NC game.