Ballard Claimed by Pats

June 12, 2012 at 5:38p    by Alex    
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William's picture

Moves like this are why the Patriots are an absolute dynasty now.

RedStorm45's picture

Is this sarcasm or not? Can't tell on the internetz.

Colin's picture

Maybe 8 years ago.

William's picture

They've been pretty consistently incredible, and they just added the Giants top tight end from last season to their roster. 

Maestro's picture

13-3
14-2
10-6
11-5
16-0
12-4
10-6
14-2
So since 8 years ago the Pats are 100-28 in the regular season.  If you don't recognize that as dynasty-like you are lying to yourself.

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RedStorm45's picture

the Cavs piled up regular season records similar in the NBA...no one's confusing them with being a dynasty (well, the past 2 seasons not included).
When was their last Super Bowl? Didn't know we crowned dynasties for teams that don't win the title in the past 8 years.  With that logic, OSU had a nice dynasty in football from 2005 on.

Maestro's picture

Yes they have.

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RedStorm45's picture

You guys throw around the term dynasty too loosely.

Maestro's picture

Name another team that has won the Big Ten 6 consecutive seasons.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

The Pats and the Steelers are the only true dynasty's in the NFL right now. I'm really having a hard time believing anyone won't concede on New England.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Maestro's picture

I only included the last 8 seasons because of the comment.  You have to go back to 2000 to find a losing record for the Pats.  11 consecutive winning seasons in the NFL is ridiculous.
This is really a matter of semantics I guess, and I am bored at work.
When I think of NFL Dynasties I think of Browns (way back), Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, Niners, Broncos??, Cowboys again, Pats, Steelers again.  For me the Pats dynasty won't end until they don't make the playoffs or Bill and Tom retire.
Again semantics, and that's just my opinion, but I think the record backs it up pretty strongly.  Winning at a 75% rate for over a decade is flat out insane in the NFL.  I would say dynasty-like.
 

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RedStorm45's picture

I meant in terms of national titles...for example, Alabama winning 2 of 3.  Lakers winning 3 straight,The Bulls, the Cowboys, etc. THOSE are dynasties.  
 
Still don't see how signing a 3rd TE shows how NE is a "dynasty."

Maestro's picture

I guess William likes Ballard.  They obviously do a fantastic job of acquiring players and getting the max out of them.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Well now wait a minute. You are accusing people of being quick to give someone the dynasty title because the Pats haven't won a Super Bowl since 2004 but you use Alabama and their two titles in three years as proof of a dynasty? Worse you compare that Bama team to a 6 time champion, a 3 time champion, and a team that won 3 of 4 Super Bowls. I can not imagine you are saying that the Pats weren't a dynasty at one point, so for you, when did it end? The Bulls Dynasty ended after the 6th title because the coaches and players were gone a year later. The Cowboys Dynasty ended when Aikman\Johnson\Smith\Irvin all split. The Lakers Dynasty got its death sentance at the hands of Dirk and Co. last year. When did New England's dynasty end? They still have the same head coach and the same QB and are in a system where as long as you have those two things, you are a threat in today's NFL each and every season-that alone has to speak to longevity. Moreso-they've been to the big game twice in the last few seasons and were a play away in each game from coming out victorious. Are you saying the Pats dynasty ended after they beat the Eagles?
For the Pats to do what they are doing in THIS NFL. The one where parity is king, calling them anything but the last dynasty in NFL history is sort of an outrage, IMHO.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Poison nuts's picture

I gotta tell you - I don't like the patriots at all & I also gotta tell you they are for damn sure a dynasty. I think you & the others of the same mindset are spot on here.

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RedStorm45's picture

You can't compare NCAA to NFL.  The NCAA teams only get guys for 4-5 years and roster turnover can be ridiculous some years.  The NCAA has 119 (or 120 now? idk) teams, the NFL has 32...and some of those 32 are teams like the Browns and Jags who might make the playoffs once a decade if they're lucky.  So yes, 2 out of 3 is pretty rare in college.
The Pats had a dynasty in the early 2000's, no doubt.  I think it's a little far-fetched to say that it is now a decade-long dynasty when their defense isn't what it used to be, and they haven't won a Super Bowl in awhile.  Is there any other team you'd say is a dynasty but went 8 seasons without winning it all?  Come on.
Are the Spurs a dynasty? They've been to the playoffs 21 of 22 seasons.  They won 4 times from '99-'07.  They are consistently a top seed in the West, but haven't threatened a whole lot to win it all recently.  Within the time frame that they won those 4 titles, the Lakers won 3 in a row, which is more of a "dynasty" than 4 in 9.  Can you have 2 dynasties at once in the same conference of the same league?

William's picture

I'd consider the Spurs a dynasty, and to answer your question, yes. Look at the OSU-UM games during the 1970s. They were both threatening for championships every year, and shocker, were in the same league. 

William's picture

My point being that their Front Office has been a huge factor in their success over the last decade. They just picked up the Giants top tight end, so if Hernandez leaves, they'll still be set with Gronk and Ballard.

BrewstersMillions's picture

So if New England isn't a dynasty now, when did they cease being one? I'm just curious. I couldn't care less what their defense is now either as they have won more games than anyone in the NFL in the last 8 years. What does it matter how they go about doing it? Again-this is in a league that is currently designed to prevent dynasty's and yet the Pats are winning and winning and winning. Sure they haven't won the Super Bowl but they've continued to be a threat to win it every year (even finished second twice in 5 years). I just can't say their reign is dead until they stop winning 10 or more games with relative ease.
I'd also like to get your opinion on the Buffalo Bills of the early 90's. Dynasty or no?

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

NeARBuckeye's picture

Wow. I guess they don't think they're going to have Hernandez after this year.

Buckman's picture

I would say he will be more of a backup to Gronk and Hernandez and will fill in if either gets hurt.

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Seth4Bucks's picture

Ugh, I hate the Pats . .. I'll be rooting for Ballard though! And not a bad gig for him, 540K and he's not doing much for it.

yrro's picture

Except for doing physical therapy on his knees day in and day out and hoping he can still walk at 50 :P

Alex's picture

Spoke to Jake and he was surprised by this but handling like a professional. Pats have exclusive rights after this season but if no deal struck he becomes a UFA. Wouldn't shock me to see him back with the GMen

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

if he gets back healthy and is still with the Patriots, this really pisses me off. Ballard does not deserve to be playing a back-up roll anywhere

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

RedStorm45's picture

With Gronk and Hernandez, it might be tough...but I'm guessing 1 of those 2 will leave and that means he can be playing starter-ish minutes since they use 2 TE formations a bunch.

Nappy's picture

Gronk won't be going anywhere after signing that extension.  Hernandez would be my bet to leave but who knows what they have planned.

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Nappy's picture

As a Colts fan I hate seeing Buckeyes go to the Pats.  Hopefully he can use them to get healthy and then go play for a team who doesn't have an M grad playing QB.

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GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

@Maestro, agree with you on the Pats. I don't like them a lot, but I think years from now when we look back at this era, the Patriots will always be mentioned with the 70's Steelers, 80's 49ers, and 90's Cowboys.   No one lets themself view them as a dynasty yet because they are still playing, and people probably think if they tank and fall apart, that will somehow tarnish the lagacy. I could be wrong.  
 

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