Pryor Looking for Fresh Start

May 9, 2012 at 1:43p    by Alex    
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Maestro's picture

vacuuming sucks

biggy84's picture

Great article! I am very grateful to TP for what he did here. TP is, and will always be, a Buckeye. 

Nick's picture

"when I was a freshman by selling my pants for $3,000 just took away everything from me... The reason why I did it was to pay my mother's gas bill and some of her rent. She was four months behind in rent, and the [landlord] was so nice because he was an Ohio State fan. He gave her the benefit of the doubt and she said, 'My son will pay you back sometime if you just let me pay you back during my work sessions.' She ended up losing her job, and she and my sister lived there. Let me remind you it was freezing cold in November, December, and she's using the oven as heat... I was telling the NCAA, 'Please, anything that you can do. I gave my mother this so my sister wouldn't be cold, so my mother wouldn't be cold.' They didn't have any sympathy for me. It's not like I went there and bought new Jordans. It's documented."
 
WOW... I am glad the NCAA is here to help our student-athletes! 

tennbuckeye19's picture

If this is true, then I applaud TP for doing what he could to help his family, but I'm sorry, I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. According to most reports, he didn't just 'sell his pants' for $3,000 his freshman year. That was just the beginning.
Did you believe TP when he told John Gruden that he would often stop and pick up homeless people and buy food for them? 
 

Nick's picture

Didn't see that interview/exchange; however, I don't see why he would lie about that, im sure this is quite common amongst college athletes, Pryor just got caught doing it because of an FBI investigation that was leaked. Really just bad luck but I don't see anything wrong with him or Posey or even the Georgia receiver who sold his jersey. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

I'm not saying I think what he did was bad. I disagree with the NCAA rule saying that a kid can't sell something like a ring or a jersey or a gold-pants charm that belongs to them. Its a dumb rule. I just don't believe a word he says. 
 

yrro's picture

I think it's entirely possible that both are true.
There are a bunch of people who aren't as frugal with money as they could or should be, and when the heat goes out or the rent check comes wish they hadn't made a couple purchases the month before. Maybe he should have skipped the OSU tat so he would have had cash to pay his mom's rent later that year. But you can't go return the tat. A lot of people end up in those circumstances... doesn't make it smart or right, but it does mean that it could have been rent money was what he was thinking when he sold his pants, and that's where *that* money went. Not sure if it makes a moral difference to you or me, but it could explain the narratives.
 
Also, I don't think we should hold what the kid was driving his junior/senior years as evidence of his cash situation as a freshman. His mom got another job, he worked part time for a summer, whatever - most people don't stay completely desparate for money for several years at a time. And for all that that Nissan looked nice, it had a *ton* of miles on the odometer. I've got a similar old sports coupe, and at least until the paint start chipping everyone assumed it was much spendier than it actually was.

pcon258's picture

I'm not sure how I feel about TP. Prior to reading this, all I knew about was the cockiness, "the university of ohio state," and the tattoo thing. If he really was trying to pay his mom's rent/heating bill, then I take back every negative thing I've ever said about him, and redirect it at the NCAA. Not that he's by any means perfect, but if I were in his position, I would have done the exact same thing. I hold nothing against him. I wish him well in the NFL

Larryp713's picture

I really want to believe Terrelle, that he sold his memorabilia to support his family. I would like to think of him the same way I thought of Troy Smith; a bit of a troubled youth who came in with a lot of ability and potential, and became a much better player and person from his years at Ohio State, under Jim Tressell. There is no way to really know if this narrative is true, but I wish him all the best. I mostly enjoyed watching him play, with a couple head-scratching plays thrown in. I wish him all the best, and hope he beats out those Trojan prima donnas by season end.

Respectfully,

Larryp713

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I see so much difference in the way Pryor carries himself now versus when he was a freshman at Ohio State. I firmly believe this whole experience has humbled him, and if this transformation is genuine, this whole mess may have been the best thing to ever happen to him. One thing Tressel has always said about Terrelle is that he has an unbelievable work ethic (something many naturally giften people lack since they're used to things coming so easy to them). Tress has reapetdly stated that TP is a "perfectionist". After all this, I wouldn't bet against him, despite what the scouts say. If the Raiders go all in with an offense that plays to his strengths, TP has the potential to be great.

Nappy's picture

As much as I'd like to see him succeed, I doubt it happens with him playing QB

Fan of bacon since 1981

BrewstersMillions's picture

I've been pro TP from the day he uttered the famous "University of Ohio State" line. Dude is far and away the most physically gifted QB that ever wore the Scarlet and Gray and but for tatgate would have gone down as the greatest OSU QB of all time. He would have set records that would not be touched and would have taken OSU to a 4th straight BCS game. His 'attitude' (and mostly talent) is exactly what Tressel coached teams needed if they ever wanted to topple an SEC opponent. He was brought in to close the gap and fans didn't like all that came with it. He will always be on my All Time OSU Depth Chart, probably number 2 behind Troy.
This piece just makes me like the person more. I've always loved the player.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Not sure where to start. I have always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I just don't believe him. Am I the only one who was rubbed the wrong way by this? The guy was wearing a Burberry scarf on Twitter at the time. His mom co-signed a car for him. Was he doing 'the lords work' when he ratted his friends out to gain access to the NFL? Let's ask his bro Posey how blessed he felt last year sitting the bench watching his draft stock plummet. Sorry, TP has not learned a thing--still making excuses. Gold pants his freshman year? What about the MVP award from the bowl game? Hoe did he pay for all that ink if he sold just one pair of pants to pay utility bills?

Maybe I am being unfair, but that whole 'poor me' thing is just too much. I would have mote respect for him if he said 'hey, I was impatient. I was a celebrity at 18 and thought the rules didn't apply to me. Sorry Buckeye Nation. Sorry Coach Tressel.' Hell, he could have said a million other things and I would not have reacted this way. You want a Buckeye redemption story, see MoC. Not interested in what this clown has to say anymore. Sure are some short memories out there.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Couldnt agree more Angel. There are a ton of short memories out there.
Just for craps and gigs-how did you feel about Pryor when he was stomping a mudhole in the Big Ten and when he won two* BCS bowls?
You were cursing his name during the Rose right? Or when he smacked Arkansas in the mouth were you up in arms against him, burning him in effigy?
 

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

William's picture

This. Although I'm sort of between the two of you on this issue. I don't buy Pryor's I was paying the bills excuse, although I could care less if he was even selling his own shit in the first place. Then again he did throw his teammates under the bus to ensure his placement in the supplemental draft. Even with all of that, I sure as hell was cheering him on when he was a Buckeye, those two BCS bowls were absolutely glorious, especially when TP and co. fisted a "vaunted" SEC defense for 28 points in the first half. I will also be rooting for him in the NFL. TP is an enigma, he did MANY great things for our program while also tarnishing it a tad, although Tressel is mostly to blame for that. To sum it up,"Once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye" or however that idiom goes. 

tennbuckeye19's picture

I don't think anyone will dispute his on-field achievements. If they do, they're crazy. As a player, TP was excellent. And as a player, I was glad he was OSU's QB. His talent and ability are tremendous. I never questioned his work ethic or his effort. He was outstanding.
BUT, as a person, off the field, that is where most people have a problem with him. 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

No criticism for his on-field activities. But my comments are not about whether or not he will make a good NFL qb, or whether or not he was a good qb for tOSU. My comment is about his off-field decision making and his continued efforts to make us believe his totally non-selfish reasons for doing what he did.
Sorry, but I don't give people a moral pass just because they are a freakishly talented athlete. I am very grateful for the wins he gave us. I wish this had not happened. I wish he would have broken records-- but he didnt. Instead he made bad decision after bad decision. Now the only broken record is the one where he says it wasnt his fault and it was so unfair how angry people were at him.
My memory is not short nor is it selective. I remember the good and the bad -- I just dont let one excuse the other.
 
 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

JakeBuckeye's picture

The only problem I have with your stance is that I know how you feel about Tressel. You adore him, just like me and many others. If you are going to hate on/blame one of them for the problems this program has went through, you have to blame the other. Tressel is 10x as guilty for what this program went through compared to Pryor.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I do love Tressel, but this article is about TP and his recent comments which still lack maturity and accountability. Tressel is another conversation entirely.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

William's picture

Maturity and accountability? Because this reeks of immaturity and lack of accountability: 

"It was humbling, but I learned from it. When I was coming into Ohio State ... I had some type of ego with me. I felt like this stuff humbled me and brought me back down to the ground -- like, your stuff stinks, too. I'm just trying to be the best person I can be and best quarterback I can be.

 
 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Umm, more like this:
"I don't think I deserved [being punished] in that way, because of the reason I was doing it. I felt like I was doing God's work in a way, and I was getting driven into the ground."
I appreciate his flowery comments regarding humility and I genuinely hope he has at least learned that lesson. I appreciate his contributions to tOSU. Yes, I cheered him on every single second he was a Buckeye. But that does not erase what he did nor can he disguise why he did it.
His resistance to accountability gives him away.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

William's picture

So do you hold Tressel, or Pryor and co. as more responsible for our NCAA problems?

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I hold them equally responsible. How about TP say a little something like "I made a mistake. I let a lot of people down. Doing the wrong thing for the right reason is still doing the wrong thing."

Is that too much to ask? And please explain how any of this has to do with Tressel or anyone else involved?

TP is no longer the 18 year old who made a stupid mistake. He is a young adult who should be perfectly capable of exercising some humility.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Less we forget, Terelle Pryor and Co.'s action ultimatley led to the new era of OSU football we are all on the verge of really enjoying.
I do jest, in part. I know at no point during his time at OSU was he saying "Ohhh sweet. I'm gonna get Meyer here for you, Buckeye Nation!". On a more serious note, however, the worst thing that happened to OSU in years was done in part by Pryor. The end result of that worst thing is Urban Meyer.
Pryor did more good than harm for OSU.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

WoodysGlasses's picture

It's tough to say he did more good than harm until we see how Urban Meyer plays out. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

At no point in JT's tenure would I have said "Gimme Jim over Urban". In my world, we have College Football's best coach (count your blessings, Saban). From where I am standing, Ohio State won at College Football.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

WoodysGlasses's picture

Okay, but you can't see into the future.  If by some chance Urban pulls a Rich Rod, I doubt you'll be saying TP did more good than bad.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Three stops, one a big time program, and Meyer has done nothing but win big. I can not see into the future but I'm comfortable enough saying he's going to win again. History is on our side dudes.

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WoodysGlasses's picture

I'm just saying the jury is still out on whether TP did more good than bad.  It's hard for any coach to have the success that Tressel did.

William's picture

Les Miles, Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer. There are 6 coaches that had roughly the same amount of success or more than Tressel did in the past decade. It's not as rare as people woud have you think among coaches at big time programs. 

WoodysGlasses's picture

I would disagree about a few names on that list.  Regardless, how such naming 6 coaches demonstrate that it's NOT rare?

William's picture

Because 6 (7 if you include Tressel) coaches shared relatively equal success at Top 15 programs during the same decade. His accomplishments amongst coaches at Top 15 programs were much closer to the norm than they were the extreme. 

johnblairgobucks's picture

come on Brewster. 2002, 2003, 2005?

biggy84's picture

Something to keep in mind about TP is that the media made several allegations against him that were proven to be false. The tabloid media sensationalized so many things during that time that people assume most of the stories they read were true. After all the investigations by the NCAA, not assertions by agenda driven media, TP was found guilty of selling a few trinkets. The rest is nothing more than assumptions that are based on snarky media, and opposing fans.

741's picture

I like to believe I'd have the same point of view here even if this was a troubled QB from a rival program, and my point of view is this:
Don't allude to some story you are going to expose to the light of day some day in the future when you write your autobiography... If there is a truth that needs to be told get it out there now. Why wait?

Whosisbrew's picture

Because no one will buy his book if he does.

741's picture

No one is going to buy his book 5 years from now either.

Whosisbrew's picture

*shrug* I don't think people will buy his book if it came out tomorrow.

allbucksallthetime's picture

I have no idea whether or not TP was honest in this piece nor do I care.  IMO, TP had a great career at OSU.  He, and all involved in Tatgate, have paid a heavy price for their mistakes.  TP alone missed his final year in college, which would have surely been a very good one, was publicly disgraced by the scandal that brought an end to the JT era, and missed 1/2 his rookie season without pay for what he did.
He has and is paying his dues as he approaches year 2 in the NFL.  I wish him well and hope he is successful.  Go Bucks! 

Bucksfan's picture

I'm in the same boat.  With the good came the bad.  It's over.  There's no going back.  There are only 2 Ohio State quarterbacks since the mid-1970's that can claim they won a Rose Bowl.  He's one of them.  And I believe he and Craig Krenzel are the only Buckeyes to score back-to-back BCS/major bowl MVPs.  He was also one of the best 3rd down QBs to ever play college football.
He gave us a lot to look forward to and a lot to cheer for.  But I'm sick of rehashing the bad.

buckeyemitchell's picture

i would love to see him succeed. the one thing i always admired about terrelle pryor is that he is always himself and he doesnt care if you dont like him. i think he made some unwise decisions but you need to make mistakes to learn from them.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Guys, please don't put me and William in the position of attacking Tressel. Not the case. JT is to me what Woody was to my dad. I love the guy. But in terms of success it isn't as though what he did was unattainable. With the exception of the out and out domination of Michigan (which I think any coach will be hard pressed to do with Hoke running the show), Meyer can easily duplicate JT's run. Urban is a better recruiter-as far as coaching up talent, its hard to say as Meyer has worked almost exclusivley with studs while at Florida but his time at Utah makes me thing he'll be just fine with the diamond in the rough type of guys too. I guess I offended people by saying Meyer is a better coach than JT, sorry if thats the case but the facts don't lie.

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RedStorm45's picture

"Pryor did more good than harm for OSU" LMAO.
It doesn't matter whether we disagree with the rule or not.  The rule is the rule.  They know that.  They broke it.  Now the team has to pay the price while TP escaped to the NFL.  Ratting out teammates to the NCAA is real classy.

BrewstersMillions's picture

And if our stately, senator like coach didn't move past an email warning him of his players' transgressions, the entire 2010 season would still be on the books. We would have had to endure 4 game suspensions out of the tat 5 and move on from there. But instead, on the precipice of what could have been a national championship season, JT covered up, lied, then lied about the cover up.
Keep just blaming Pryor though.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

William's picture

I'd stop trying to be rational. Sometimes people want a scapegoat, and it's a lot easier to blame a 21 year old kid than it is to blame a 50 something year old community figure. 

Buckman's picture

Let's not forget Pryor is not allowed to even be involved with tOSU for like another four years.  He has done his time.  Pryor did nothing more wrong than anyone else involved in last year's debacle.

I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.

JACK TATUM

Irricoir's picture

I am a bit jaded by the kid. I don't feel that he has done anything to warrant "Trust". The things he's done are not criminal nor anything egregious, but have cast the University in such a bad light that I am starting to tire of him. I have no idea why I read this article. I guess his name still commands some type of attention. The only thing I am interested in is how well he performs on the field. I am not interested in the past and don't want to hear anymore excuses. I really would rather him not write a book, or more to the point, have someone else write a book for him. He will be forever shadowed by tatgate. I am already tired of the constant reminder.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

JakeBuckeye's picture

And chances are you don't hold Tressel in as bad of a light. Which is a complete double standard that is entirely too common in this fan base. I am still endeared to both of them.

RedStorm45's picture

I'm pretty sure the guys that stayed didn't rat out teammates to the NCAA.

osubuckeye4life's picture

Come on everyone he's just doing God's work so let's just let him live!