Bryant Denied Redshirt, Career Likely Over

By Kyle Rowland on January 2, 2014 at 11:22a
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Christian Bryant's career is almost certainly over.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – There was hope from Ohio State that senior safety Christian Bryant would be granted a medical redshirt and extra season of eligibility. Apparently, those positive vibes have been extinguished.

On Thursday, head coach Urban Meyer revealed that Bryant’s appeal to the NCAA was denied.

“I believe the appeal was denied,” Meyer said. “Not sure if there’s another one to come back for another year. He won’t be able to play in this game. There was a little bit of outside hope, but the injury was pretty severe. I’m not sure there’s another appeal process, but appeals haven’t been very good to the Buckeyes recently.”

That last comment was in response to Noah Spence receiving a three-game suspension for a violation of Big Ten rules. Meyer said yesterday that Ohio State was confident it would win the appeals process and Spence would be eligible for the Orange Bowl, but the Buckeyes came up losers in that appeals game as well.

When discussing the defensive woes that have plagued Ohio State this season, Meyer pointed to Bryant’s injury, noting that he was a good player and the team spokesman inside the locker room and on the field.

Bryant played in five games before breaking his ankle against Wisconsin. NCAA rules state a player cannot receive a redshirt year if they have participated in more than 30 percent of their team’s games. But Bryant also missed five games during his freshman season. When combined with 2013, he essentially missed an entire season of his career due to injuries.

It’s possible Bryant’s undoing was playing in the Sugar Bowl during his freshman year.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'm not even remotely familiar with this process but can somebody enlighten me on how Devon Gardiner can get a medical redshirt but Bryant can't?

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kholmes's picture

Here are the relevant facts as to why Gardner's may have been approved and Bryant's was not. I have to stress that I am not making any judgment on whether either decision was appropriate but just giving the facts to see why it might be the case that the NCAA would make the decision they did.
-The rule for medical redshirt says that a player can not play in more than 30% of the maximum permissible amount of games for that sport AND the injury must prevents them from competing in the remainder of the playing season.  For football, there are 13 maximum permissible games (12 games + 1 conf championship) so that means 3.9 games which the NCAA rounds to 4 games max.
-Bryant played in 5 games so if you go strictly by the numbers, he would not be eligible for a medical redshirt.
-Gardner played in 3 of the first 4 games his freshman year...so it counts as 4 games so he would fit this as long as he met the "prevents them from competing in remainder of regular season". That is where it gets questionable as this article shows he may have been able to play in the bowl game ( http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/rich-rodriguez-tate-forciers-... )
Summary: If you go strictly by rule as written, Bryant would not get a redshirt. As for Gardner..if the NCAA determined he could not play in bowl game, then his redshirt follows the rule as written. If Gardner could play, then it probably doesnt make sense he got one.
Again, I stress I am not making any judgment on either as there is always some room for individual judgment and I certainly dont have all the facts. I just wanted to answer your question as to why this may have been the decision.
References below - Attachment below shows an MSU compliance interpretation which give a pretty good detailed summary of medical redshirts.
https://www.msu.edu/~msuncaa/Medical%20Hardship%20Waivers.pdf

RedStorm45's picture

Gardner dressed and was the backup on a trip to State College, PA that year.  The NCAA is bull shit.

kholmes's picture

As I said, Gardner's case depends upon if he was really viewed as injured and if the NCAA ruled in that way. The article I linked puts that in question. Gardner met the strict gane requirement but it is rational to question whether he was really injured given the article above.
My intention wasnt to argue..I was just replying to the original poster wondering how it is even possible the NCAA could rule that way. As I tried to stress, I wasnt arguing one was correct or not but was just laying out the rules to see how the NCAA could possibly make that decision which is conditional on them viewing Gardner as injured. For Bryant, he clearly was injured but he didnt make the game requirement so once could see how NCAA possibly made that decision (again Im not saying its the right decision but just that it followed the rule as written).

M Man's picture

I can't add to or subtract from KHolmes' well-described essentials on the description about Gardner's medical redshirt under the rules.
This is by no means dispositive under the rules, but in the year for which Gardner was granted a medical redshirt, his only play, in those first three games of the year in 2010, was pretty inconsequential.  
In Game One (UConn) of that year, Gardner had one run for -4 yards and zero passes.
In Game Two (ND) of that year, Gardner did not play.
In Game Three (UMass) of that year, Gardner played a bit of garbage time.
In Game Four (Bowling Green), Denard Robinson banged up a knee, and sat for about half the game. This was the one and only game of the year that Gardner had any significant playing time.  He had a 7-yard td run and threw a handful of completed passes with one td pass.  The game-time at QB was mostly split by Denard and Tate Forcier.
Devin Gardner did not play again the rest of the year.
So at least per the medical redshirt rules, if you accept that Gardner had a season-ending injury (his season did in fact end), his early playing time was inconsequential and was not a sham.  It was widely felt that Gardner's early playing time against UConn and UMass was a bad mistake by Rich Rodriguez, who was at that time disciplining Forcier for poor habits in fall camp.  Forcier could well have played in both games and spared Gardner's actual redshirt.  Gardner's only real game was the Bowling Green game. 

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Gah I hate it when I have to upvote a meeeshigan man.

J.Mo's picture

<sarcasm>NCAA really does a great job of protecting student athletes and being fair.</sarcasm>
F**k the NCAA

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

But we can give Devin Gardner a redshirt.  Bullshit, NCAA.

Class of 2010.

UFest57's picture

He will be missed. Class act. Best of luck to him in his future.

Buck Commander's picture

I'm tired of all the anti Buckeye shit with the NCAA ESPN ABC BCS SEC THEY CAN ALL KISS MY ASS..........putrid sickening I say

Every time I set my DVR to record Biggest Loser......It always records Wolverine Football Games!

aphill89's picture

I mean it was a stretch, but it still sucks.  Great player and great overall guy.

"The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes 

Buckabroad's picture

And the hits keep coming. I wonder what difference it would have made if we were in the SEC?

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

LouGroza's picture

There would have been a redshirt year given. Along with an undetermined amount of cash with zero repercussions.

RedsBuckeyeBoy's picture

ZERO repercussions?! How soon we forget about Johnny Manziel's potentially season tarnishing first half suspension versus Rice.

Denny's picture

Ugh, this past week.

Taquitos.

theybege's picture

I find the idea of the 2011 sugar bowl, the game that potentially put him over the edge, sickening. Oh wait, we didn't play that game, remember?

Osu2105's picture

The thing that makes it worse is that a) he wasn't apart of the Tat 5 so he was never ineligible and b) the NCAA wanted Pryor,posey and company to play because of ratings and money. They can take away that game from the record books but I promise you they didn't give away one penny they made off that game. What a joke

DeepSouthBuckeye's picture

Just so I am clear: The NCAA will count the Sugar Bowl when it hurts the Buckeyes appeal, but will forget, erase, and remove from existence the game if it means tOSU beat an SEC team?
Sounds about right...

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Brutus's picture

This is gray box worthy in my opinion.  The worst news we've had in a while as far as I'm concerned.  By all accounts, Bryant seems like a pretty good dude.  Very bummed for him. 

umbyosu's picture

How does the Sugar Bowl count as a game, since this game does not officially exists in the record books?  There was a rumor that OSU beat a SEC team, but my memory has failed me!!!

Jonnferrell's picture

The Sugar Bowl win was vacated, but the loss somehow still counts for Arkansas.  

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toad1204's picture

The NCAA makes about as much sense as a screen door on submarine, Bollerman's play calling during 'that' season, Hoke's appetite, the secondary problems,  Penn Staters holding onto the past, why Dantonio cant smile, why the girl in the next cubicle over thinks having conference calls on speaker phone is a good idea...

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

popeurban's picture

Ramzy said it better than I can:

 

 
 
 

Hovenaut's picture

Doesn't take away what he was able to do while he was able to go. 
CB should be as equally as proud for continuing to be such a leader and great teammate while on the sidelines, I have no doubt he'll do the same Friday night.
 

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

airbuckeye's picture

This shit with the NCAA will just keep going on untill the Schools decide they have had enough of paying these Ass Hats for the Fing BS they keep handing out. Maybe once everyone gets on the same dam page and goes to 4 Super Conference's of 16 or 18 teams and there own play off system.
Then the can tell the NCAA to got F _ _ K its self and form there ruling body to over see things and let the new body know either do it right or your on the food stamp line. But i don't think any of us will every live long enough to ever see it.

Barnsey69's picture

New Year, same NCAA bullshit.

Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes!

GoBucksToledo's picture

Can only imagine how disappointed Christian is but have to thank him for the many years of awesome play.

RedStorm45's picture

Haven't seen him on any draft boards, probably a bit undersized for the NFL?  But here's to 2014 turning around for him and hoping he gets a shot to make a roster in the league somewhere.

northcampus's picture

I think Bryant will go the route of Marcus Freeman (fast track into coaching).  We could see him back in Ohio Stadium very soon as a GA under Meyer.  He's got a bright future in coaching (if he wants to go that route).

bucknut3011's picture

I'll second that.  There's a ton this guy can offer and pay forward.  Hope he keeps a positive outlook.   Would love to see him on Meyer's staff.

AJW_16's picture

Worst. Week. Ever.
Ok, maybe not, but I can't help but notice some negative vibes going into Friday. Let's hope they're not affecting the team.

"Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you." 

Curt Heinrichs's picture

Never having played sports at a high level or had an ankle injury, I was wondering if this length of recovery is typical. Since he's in his 20's and is in relatively good physical condition, shouldn't a bone heal within 6 weeks or so? I was thinking (wishfully, probably) that he'd be back in plenty of time to get back into game shape and back on the field for the end of the year. 
 
Any medical types out there that could answer this for me? 

Will in Arizona's picture

Ohio State is not legally allowed to disclose the extent of his injury without his permission.  We don't know how severe the injury was, but based on the immediate reaction, you had to think it was devastating.  Perhaps a full break, perhaps ligament and other soft tissue damage as well.
 
If he could be back on the field, you know he would be.  I don't think anyone has ever questioned his passion for the game - it was evident all the way back to his Glenville days.

cdub4's picture

I am not a doctor, but 6 weeks seems awful quick to set a broken, and regain enough strength, flexibility and stamina to play top level college football. I would think 3-4 months at the earliest. He may be jogging now, not sure.

elitesmithie's picture

Hopefully we can turn this negatives into an "Us against the world" type mentality. Urban has a history of finding reasons to have a team play angry. Between Spence and this he should be able to manufacture that pretty easy.

OSUStu's picture

Well, regardless of all the other bullshit:
Thank you CB for being a terrific player while you were able and a leader when you were not able.  Good luck with whatever the future holds.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

BME_Buckeye's picture

Mental note to come back to this article.

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Bucks43201's picture

N C A A
Not Cool At All

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Bucks43201's picture

or
National Communists Against Athletes

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

2014nationalchamps's picture

good luck to Bryant in the future. Hopefully this injury doesnt ruin his future. I can see a team take a late round flyer on him or him signing with whoever he wants as an UFA. Regardless, we're behind you all the way. Go Bucks.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Good luck to Bryant!
Nuck FCAA!

whobdis's picture

It can be frustrating at times to be a Buckeye fan..I was thinking this yesterday as I watched LSU's Hill run rampant over the Iowa. The guy is on probation for rape..then sucker punches someone..yet doesn't miss a minute of field time. AND Espn barely mentions it..they are too busy covering Hyde's 'push'. And stating his punishment may not have been strong enough. We've seen this over and over again..many of the NCAA rule 'experts' stated OSU would not receive a bowl ban but we should know better. I've heard many in the program thought Spence would be reinstated..but no. Meanwhile..they actually reduce penalties to PSU for the atrocities committed. Does anyone really think they would reduce ours given the same circumstances.

azbuckeye's picture

Wonder if any of this would be different if there was no Gene Smith?

RedsBuckeyeBoy's picture

I'd like to know how Ja'Daveon Clowney can afford to drive a Chrysler 300. When Pryor was caught speeding in a Nissan 350z, it made national news and everyone seemed to question how an amateur athlete could afford to drive a car like that.  
Oh wait, South Carolina is an eSECpn school? Move along-nothing to see here, folks...

Bucks43201's picture

'zactly. Oh and the guy was speeding like he's in a freaking NASCAR race, but I guess it's okay to joke about because it's ESPN's darling. Lucky he didn't paralyze or kill some poor person, or himself.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Furious George 27's picture

Cowherd said he dominated the game with batting down two passes, of course he didn't mention the fact that he was on the field with the rest of the D that gave up over 400 yards which would have been more if not for the kick return TD. 

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I wouldn't jump to conclusions. People made the same mistake in regards to Thad Gibson's 300.

klfeck's picture

If 2010 was wiped from the books, shouldn't he be eligible for another year...........
 
In all seriousness, this kid missed 10 out of 48 regular season games, what is the harm in allowing him to come back for a lost season? How is amateurism being protected exactly? God forbid this young man be allowed to reclaim time lost while in service to the NCAA and his school. God forbid he be allowed to showcase his skills for a potential future with the NFL. Why not be reasonable and allow him to play 10 games next year.  Maybe it is time for the NCAA to define a limit on the number of games a player is allowed to participate in instead of years allowed. This could really come into play with extended playoff seasons.
 
My .02
If the NCAA is in the business to make money off the talents of young athletes, the NCAA owes those same athletes the opportunity to showcase those talents for their own profit. Grant was injured in service to OSU/NCAA. They owe him 10 games.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Crumb's picture

This pisses me off to no end. This young man deserved another year and anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

00Buck's picture

To the politicians of the B1G, and the NCAA, they can kiss my BUCKEYE ASS...  we are still paying for Tatoogate.......... and I don't give a crap who knows how I feel, the Big Ten, is afraid of tOSU becoming a dynasty, and no no no that would not be good for college football,  makes me sick to my stomach WHAT college sports has come to....  The SUITS GET the millions,,,,,,,, the players eat the trash.......  Wouldn't bother me if every collegiate just flat QUIT...........  and when the money stopped...... so would the politics.  SPORTS IS NOT WORTH WATCHING ANYMORE !   My OPINION  like it or not 

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raiderred's picture

Such bullshit. NCAA screws us again. What a surprise. 

D-Day0043's picture

Farging bullshtein.... The NCAA are a bunch of cork sucking suminum batching ice holes...

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Jonnferrell's picture

That was a skillful use of alternative cursing, D-Day.  +1 to you!

"I'm still hungry." --Brady Hoke

D-Day0043's picture

That was my Roman Maroni impression from the movie Johnny Dangerously. :-)

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tracyre's picture

If you ask me (ok no one did but I'll add anyhow) Gene Smith is NO HELP and a HUGE LIABILITY.