Ryan Shazier Received a Second Round Grade from the NFL Advisory Board

December 30, 2013 at 9:37a    by DJ Byrnes    
War Damn Shazier

The grade is certainly surprising for people who have watched Shazier throughout his career (the kid can flat out play) but it appears the NFL's concerns about his lack of ideal linebacker size are real.

It will require some defensive ingenuity to keep Ryan Shazier's production at the next level in line with his college production, so it's a good thing the NFL is filled with brilliant defensive minds. 

Shazier-to-the-pros has been assumed since before the season began, and it'd be quite the (welcomed) upset if he were to stay.

Source: @KyleRowland



BucksFan2000's picture

My guess is draft "experts" look at his size instead of his tape.  Someone will get a steal.

Hovenaut's picture

Eager to see the linebackers that have a first round grade.
I'd expect Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr, but don't tell me Borland and Burroughs grade much higher than RDS.
I've watched London Fletcher for years - not every linebacker has to fit the ideal mold to perform consistently at a high level - which is exactly what Shazier has done the past three years.

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

luckynutz's picture

Not only is fletcher not prototypical size, he came from a DIII program in john carroll. Just goes to show you it doesn't matter where you come from or if you fit the mold. If you can play, they will find you.

Hovenaut's picture

And that's John Carroll University,
University Heights, Ohio.

"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

luckynutz's picture

Member of the OAC, same conference as Mt. Union, the school that produced none other than your top wideout in DC, Pierre Garcon. Oh, and is one of the premier small school programs in the country. Know them well from my days as a polar bear at Ohio Northern. Ohio has some of the best lower division football in the country. And the state school in columbus is not too shabby either...

741's picture

You guys have hit the nail on the head - Fletcher is proof that not every highly sucessful LB fits the prototypical mold. However, the difference is he went undrafted, and thus was not an immediate investment of millions of dollars as first round draft picks are today. Smart owners and their GM's can't afford to invest that kind of capital on anything short of a sure thing.
I'm not saying I don't think Shazier is great, but I will say that people who are paid a lot of money to evaluate college players talent and NFL potential have apperently suggested he is a 2nd rounder and they probably have had some success in their jobs in order to be in the position to assign the grade, and I see no reason to disagree with them.
If Shazier is really 230+ right now, I would think it would not be difficult for him to get to 240+ in a couple months as a full-time professional athlete, so I suspect the grade has more to do with just his size.

AllDay028's picture

Most people believe Mosley, Mack, and Barr are the top 3 LBs with Shazier being a little outside of that group due to his size. My guess is that those three get 1st round grades and Shazier gets a second round but would be the first to go if any team 15-32 wants an OLB.

BUCK-I-FAN's picture

comeback to tOSU bulk up a little more and then become a first rounder. It baffles me that people think it takes a certain size in order to be good. There have been a lot of " undersize " players who have had a ton of success. NFL loss is OSU gain.

OldColumbusTown's picture

It is now a heavily-leaning passing game in the NFL.  A LB like Lavonte David has thrived in Tampa because of his speed and versatility.  Shazier, I believe, is the perfect LB now to combat NFL offenses.  You don't need to be 250 pounds any longer to play LB in the league. 
He may be "graded" a 2nd-rounder by the Advisory Board, but all it takes is one team to recognize the skill set he brings to the table in order for him to go on the first day of the draft.  In a division like the AFC East/West or NFC South/East where teams are even more passing oriented, I'd find it hard to believe all would pass on Shazier in the first round.  Maybe he wouldn't be an ideal fit in the AFC North, or another bruising division, but I'd be shocked if he didn't go in round 1.

zachofaltrades's picture

Lavante David is the exact analogy I was about to make.

741's picture

Second Round - 58th overall pick.

LouBuck35's picture

Is the Advisory Board made up of the Browns' front office??

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

IBleedSandG's picture

Not that a 2nd round grade is bad, but RDS has speed and explosiveness that you just can't teach.
With that said, c'mon back to C-bus for your senior season, Ryan. Pleeeeeeeeease.
Edit: I'd love if he fell to the Bengals pick in the 2nd round, but that's gonna be a late 2nd rd pick.

We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from O-HI-O!

PittBuckeye's picture

I keep thinking the same thing about hyde falling to the browns. Late rd 3 they trade up to bag him. Make my Christmas.

bostonbuckeye's picture

Don't you put that evil on Hyde! 

InvertMyVeer's picture

Or they could draft Hyde with a high first round pick, use him for a season or so then trade him midseason for a worse first round pick #BrownsLogic

Football is complicated...

Brandon26841's picture

I've NEVER seen the NFL Advisory Board give anyone a first round grade. They're extremely conservative when it comes to letting kids know where they're projected to go, which makes sense when you think about it. They pretty much tell them the worst case scenario.
I don't see any way that Ryan Shazier isn't a first round pick after the combine, but who knows. Some of the best linebackers in the league aren't much bigger than Shazier (Kuechly - 6-2, 235 / Lavonte David - 6-1, 233 / Lawrence Timmons - 6-1, 234 / Daryl Washington - 6-2, 235); size isn't going to be as huge of an issue as people are making it out to be.
I don't see any way that he doesn't declare either.

Chris Raiden's picture

This pretty much covers it. I'm guessing they've got lawyers telling them if you tell a kid he's a first round pick and he slides out of the draft, you're going to get sued.

Conroy's picture

I honestly don't think this is that surprising.  Traditional linebackers don't get drafted very high regardless of how good they are, and Shazier definitely is not a 100% ideal prospect.  

okiebuck's picture

His size hurts but his speed offsets that a little bit. Like the rest of our back seven he needs work on his coverage skills.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

TMac's picture

In last years Draft only 2 LBs were taken first round, and the Heisman finalist was taken second round.  So that advisory doesn't seem to be out of line. 

d5k's picture

2nd round is probably the most likely round where he would get drafted.  There's a chance he could go round 1 and a chance he could go round 3.  The former is probably slightly more likely than the latter.  But early 2nd round is probably the average position for him right now.  I'm glad the paperwork isn't erring on the high side for these guys.  You should only get a "1st round grade" if you have a high likelihood (like 60%-70%+) of going in the 1st round.  In other words you should be projected top 20 consensus.  Shazier is on the 1st round bubble.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Come back for your senior season Ryan and Coach Marotti will help you pack on 15 - 20 more pounds of muscle.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

droessl's picture

15-20 MORE pounds? We don't need Scott Steiner at LB. 

HotSauceCommittee's picture

He can come back, gain 20 lbs, change is his nickname from RDS to "Big Bad Bootie Daddy"
DROESSL holla if ya hear me? 
Damn it. Now I am going to be spouting of wrestling quotes all day!

LouBuck35's picture

Big Poppa Pump is the poster child for bringing the JUICE!!!

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

popeurban's picture

UV.  That was hilarious!  Don't watch pro wrestling anymore, but if they are all characters like this, then I see that I need to start again.  

ScarletNGrey01's picture

You guys are cracking me up, funny stuff.  Problem is, Ryan Shazier is listed at 6'2" and 222 pounds.  Rob Ninkovich is 6'2" 260 pounds.  Sheldon Richardson is 6'3" and 294 pounds.  Adrian Clayborn is 6'3" 280 pounds.  So ... I stand by what I posted.  Funny stuff though.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

2014nationalchamps's picture

come back, get bigger and stronger(if thats even possible) and get drafted in the top 10 next season.

O-H-I-O  for life

Bucks777's picture

If he just adds ten pounds of muscle that is enough size and strength!~  He can do it!
225 lbs, strong as an OX and can flat out fly!!!  1st rounder all day long!

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

C'mon Ryan, come back for another year!  We luv ya man!!  We'll be sad if you go, but understand.  I do think if he comes back for another year the draft stock will go up.
Go Bucks!! 

Go1Bucks's picture

Ive seen at least 3 boards with Shazier going mid to late first.  Ill stick with that, if he leaves.
...and one with Roby going late first.

"I will pound you and pound you, until you quit." -Woody

Knarcisi's picture

RDS strikes me as a kid from a solid family who values his education and is genuinely enjoying is experience at tOSU. There is some unfinished business here, too. Hunch says he comes back. 

BoFuquel's picture


I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

TexasBuck11's picture

I've always been told that size doesn't matter...what gives?