Counterpoints for Winners: How to Deal with BCS Trolls

By Jeff Beck on December 2, 2013 at 2:30p

We’re one week away from the final BCS standings, and your Buckeyes sit at No. 2 in the country. It’s been a hard road that included watching three different teams jump the Buckeyes in the standings despite winning each and every game on their regular season schedule.

All season fans of the Scarlet and Gray had to defend their team while the national media churned out a different “Ohio State doesn’t deserve it” narrative week-after-week. Now, faced with just two remaining undefeateds, the spin machine is running out of fuel, but that doesn’t mean it won’t attempt to run on fumes.

In years past, this would be an open and shut case. Two teams from major conferences with undefeated resumes would go to the national championship game. That’s how the BCS works. That’s how the BCS has ALWAYS worked. Yet there are some who choose to ignore all precedent and boldly claim a one-loss team should jump the Buckeyes because S-E-C!!!! To be clear, this won’t happen. If the Buckeyes take care of business in Indianapolis next week they’re headed to Pasadena for all of the marbles. But next weekend is an eternity from now, at least it will feel that way after you’re forced to listen to talking heads on national networks discount the Buckeyes and all they’ve accomplished.

So, in order to survive this final week of #narrative I’ve compiled a handy list of common arguments you might encounter over the coming week complete with cogent counter-points to fend off any and all trolls. Let’s get to it.

There's one!Caution, trolls ahead.

Ohio State Hasn’t Played Anyone

First and foremost you’ve got to remind the troll that schedules are made years in advance. When Cal was placed on the docket, they were a legitimate team. Playing them in Berkeley should have been a premiere matchup. Of course it wasn’t but that isn’t the Buckeye’s fault. Over the past 10 years the Scarlet and Gray have led the way in terms of scheduling quality out of conference opponents (see Texas, Washington, USC, Miami). You’d be hard pressed to find a national power anywhere else in the country consistently scheduling better prime-time out of conference games. Most of these have panned out…Cal didn’t, but that’s Cal’s problem.

The B1G is also down, there’s no denying it. But again, this isn’t the Buckeye’s fault. You can only play the teams on your schedule and they’ve handled every single opponent. Time and time again their schedule has been blasted in the national media, yet Florida State skates by in a weak ACC without scrutiny.

To put things in perspective, the B1G is pegged higher than the ACC in ESPN’s power rankings. If Florida State beats Duke next week they will have beaten the No. 20 team in the country and the No. 13 team in the country. If the Buckeyes beat Michigan State next weekend they will have beaten the No. 21 team in the country and the No. 10 team in the nation. Those potential quality wins are nearly identical. The conference strength is nearly identical. Yet Florida State is a world-beater and Ohio State has to deal with talk of an unprecedented scenario in which a one-loss SEC team would jump them. Again, it’s not going to happen if the Buckeye’s win out, but it is a great segue into the next argument.

A one-loss SEC team should jump Ohio State

Never in the 15-year history of the BCS has a one-loss team jumped an undefeated team from another major conference to go to the national championship. Hasn’t happened, wont happen. This is all you really need to come with, but if the troll is still throwing shade your way remind them that it’s not impossible to go undefeated in the mighty SEC. Three teams have done it over the past five seasons, and those teams have gone to the national championship.

I know it’s hard for the South to believe, but before their run of dominance there were 7 years of non-SEC BCS national championship winners and 5 years where an SEC team didn’t even play in the game. College football wont go into a seizure and die without them. Bottom-line, take care of your business on the field and you’ll have a shot. So far Ohio State and Florida State have. Auburn, Missouri and Alabama haven’t.

Ohio State’s Performance Against A Terrible Michigan Squad Was Reason Enough to Drop Them From Consideration

The Ohio State Michigan game is the greatest rivalry in all of sport. Records go out the window in this one. Fans who don’t understand that aren’t well-versed in The Game, so here’s a history lesson: over the past 44 years, the underdog in the UM/OSU rivalry has won 40% of the time. #STAT.

The Game is a season disguised as four quarters of football. Players at both schools are measured both by their overall win-loss record and by their victories in The Game.

In this particular edition, Michigan had nothing to lose, and they were playing in their own house. No one should be surprised OSU got their best effort of the season, and in a game full of adversity the Buckeyes were able to prevail. Style points aren’t a part of this equation. Winning is all that matters.

Ohio State is All Offense and No Defense

Since when has this been an impediment to getting into the national championship? The media was salivating at the thought of putting Baylor or Oregon in the final game this season. The only difference being defenses were able to down those prolific offenses. Tom Herman is still searching for the team capable of beating his. The Buckeyes are second in the nation in rushing yards, third in the nation in points-for and sixth in the nation in total team offense. That's about as good as you can get. Sprinkle in a defense that bends but doesn't break (coming in at 18th in the nation in points against) with the exception of the Michigan game (which we've already covered) and you have a pretty damn good football team.

The Buckeyes don’t pass the eye test

After all other arguments have been soundly thwarted, the troll you’re dealing with will have no choice but to resort to the dreaded “eye test” angle. This is a cowardly maneuver because it can’t be disputed with fact. It’s purely subjective and it will sound something like this: “Ohio State has won, but they don’t look good doing it. They just don't pass the eye test for me.”

Here’s a team that won ugly all year but went on to win the national championship against one of the best college football teams in history. Here’s a team that looked unstoppable all season then got their a#$es handed to them in the national championship.

The "eye-test" is a fairy-tale. All that matters is winning. How you look doing it is a non-issue.

If the Buckeyes win they're in, I can't stress that enough. If Auburn was going to jump Ohio State it would have happened this week based on the knee-jerk reaction of voters and a still un-public Coaches' Poll. Even with the improbable win Auburn remains behind the Buckeyes in both the human and computer polls. A relatively comfortable lead in the BCS, a public Coaches Poll (we see you SEC funny stuff) and most importantly a top-10 victory against Michigan State will be enough to get the Buckeyes to the big one in Pasadena.

You're going to encounter a lot of people who have a problem with that so keep this document close...and your trolls closer.


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Baroclinicity's picture

Great points all around.
The only problem is that those who think Ohio State does not belong if we beat MSU this week are pretty much people that you can't reason with, no matter what facts one might present.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

buckeyemanda's picture

It's a sad reality an undefeated #2 beating a one-loss #10 in a champ game means nothing to them. Misled under the guise of the B1G "being nothing."

cinserious's picture

You can't argue with crazy just like you can't argue with math. Although crazy might be able to argue with math.

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Stinson's picture

This is amazing. 

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes

BucksfanXC's picture

This IS amazing, and what's more amazing is I've never seen it used before. Kudos.

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Alhan's picture

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. It could go either way since I'm sure people actually haven't seen this before even as widely used as it is online.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

buckeyemanda's picture

This kid is way too rad to be considered overused. He looks like me as a Buckeye fan fighting the trolls, man.

Maestro's picture

I've never seen it used.

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igo43's picture

I've never seen this used, nor have I ever seen it before now.

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Who ever heard of a mellow winner?" - WWH

BucksfanXC's picture

I had legitimately never seen it before and that's amazing considering how much time I waste spend online.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Alhan's picture

Huh. Color me surprised. Seems like it gets linked in every comment section on reddit. Fair enough!

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

cplunk's picture

The SEC coaches will completely and shamelessly vote the SEC champ game winner number 1 if either FSU or OSU loses, and some will do it even if we win.

J.Mo's picture

Should the B1G coaches f**k with their polls and, should Ohio State and Florida State win, vote this way:
1. Florida State
2. Ohio State
3. Northern Illinois (assuming they beat BG)
4. Ok. State
5. SEC Conf game winner
6. 'Bama

americanpilot1's picture

OK now let's focus on MSU otherwise the same thing that is going to happen to Auburn vs Missou could happen to us.

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Zimmy07's picture

Teams who have won 24 or more games & do not have a National Championship during that streak:
Washington (39 games) 1908-1914
Toledo* (35 games) 1969-1971 - they did not play anyone who is currently an FBS team, so I'm not sure if they were really a major team in that time frame.
San Diego St* (25 games) 1965-1967 - they were not a major team in this time frame.
Boise St (24 games) 2009-2010
Nebraska (24 games) 1901-1904
Ohio St (24 games) 2012-2013

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

The MAC was division I at time, and so was Toledo.

cronimi's picture

The MAC is still Division I-A (a/k/a FBS). They're just not an AQ conference.

Zimmy07's picture

I was wrong about them not playing any FBS teams.  I should have said any teams that are currently in AQ conferences.

Nutbuck1959's picture

 Very tired of hearing who in the SEC would have beaten Bucks..... No proof at all.. They do not want to admit the (SEC) are down. Still an excellent league..

klfeck's picture

I could not agree more. I'm glad someone besides me recognizes the fact that the sec is down. You can't have two teams like auburn and mizzou go from 2 wins to conference contenders in one year without a soft league. Yet the same media that loves the sec blasts the b1g when Minnesota and Indiana do well. Hippocrits.



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Jabba the Hoke's picture

No, when the two teams that make the championship didn't even get to bowl games last year it shows top to bottom strength.

Sorry no sarcasm font on my phone.

HighBallAce's picture

You know what, just let Ohio State play Auburn AND Alabama and I promise you, Ohio State will beat them BOTH!!! Neither team has overly great passing offenses. Both are predominantly run based teams which Ohio State has shown they can handle! Florida State will clearly be the harder team to beat!
ESPN is showing a centerpiece right now where Danny Kanel and Collin Cowturd and some sling blade lookin mo fo who's name I forget, Paul something, anyway, Kanel is against the two SEC people. They are jumping all over Kanel. ESPN's agenda is very clear in this. 

CMike82's picture

Cowturd is a complete bag of crap. He prefaced his argument for a one-loss SEC team to jump an undefeated OSU team by pointed out how many players from SEC schools were taken in the first round of the NFL draft and LSU "dismantling" OSU in the '08 NCG. Two things that had nothing to do with what was being discussed and furthermore ZERO TO DO WITH THIS SEASON!!!! This is the type of blatant favortism these a**bags at ESPN exude. If the SEC is so dominant then why did two perennial mid-tier programs from the Big 12 immediately make an impact in the SEC? Texas A&M last year and Mizzou this year...undoubtedly there would have to be a period of acclamation for such a tough conference schedule. Why the instant success?
Also, that slingblade lookin' mo fo you mentioned is Paul Finebaum and all day yesterday he too lobbied shamelessly, with the help of ESPN of course by broadcasting his radio show on ESPNU, proclaiming that while Urban Meyer is a great coach, OSU's resume just doesn't stack up against Auburn's or any SEC team for that matter and it just shows that ESPN is pro Ohio State and anti-Auburn/SEC...utter hogwash!! If you're going to use 7 straight BCS titles as part of your ammo for the SEC, then you have to take into account 24 straight wins in an AQ conference like the B1G for Ohio State.  Our body of work looks better than Florida State's.  When we beat MSU on Saturday, we will have wins over the #10 and #21 ranked teams in the country.  Assuming Florida State beats Duke, they will have wins over the #13 and #20 ranked teams in the country...pretty evenly matched.

Block_O's picture

"OHIO STATE IS ALL OFFENSE AND NO DEFENSE"  Looking at stats, our 2002 National Championship team defense holds the #2 spot for most yards given up in one season (4492). Look how that season turned out. Think back to that time, were we all bitching about the D then? The D came up big when it needed to and our offense did the same, no different than this year.

weirdscience's picture

So true. While I'd rather our D be lock-down, they've been opportunistic at the very least this year. Also, if I could only have one of the two, I'd take a good rush D over a good pass D. One thing that correlates pretty tightly with winning is being about to stuff the run. That was something the 2002 team did relatively well. 

Doc's picture

I would love to see Bert's poll sheet.  It really will be interesting to see where he puts us if we win Saturday night.
Buckeyes have to win Saturday, or all of this BCS talk will have been nothing more than mental masturbation.  I sure hope we are more focused this week than last week, I'm looking at you defense.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

It really will be interesting to see where he puts us if we win Saturday night.

The final coaches poll is public. Just like in year's past the final poll will be very different than the one this week. The extremely low votes for the Buckeyes will suddenly disappear when the trolls have to put their names on the ballots.
Contrary to popular opinion I fully expect Ohio State to widen the gap over Auburn in the human polls after they beat Sparty.

TilstheHun3's picture

Nice icon :)

What is this? A center for ants?!? How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read if they can't even fit inside the building?

SC Buckeye's picture

I don't remember seeing a forum post about it.  Isn't that against the rules?

nm_buck's picture

Annoy the media.... BEAT SPARTY. 

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

dc28's picture

When dealing with people who hate on the Buckeyes and troll just remember this: "Never Argue With an Idiot, All They Will Do Is Bring You To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience"

"Never Settle For Second When First Is Available"


rdubs's picture

My favorite response to "Who has OSU beaten?" is "EVERYONE" literally everyone we have played (for 2 years) we have beaten.*
* This is pending next week, which I am not looking past at all.  MSU is a capable team and if we miss tackles like we did against ttun (which we really hadn't done much of all year), we could very easily lose that game.

2morrow's picture

That is perfect!

Fugelere's picture

I actually used that very response to a LSU fan I work with.  
He had no answer.

MN Buckeye's picture

You mean LSU did not go 12-0 this year?

Alhan's picture

What would happen if every SEC coach voted tOSU dead last even with a win? Would they face repercussions other than general national backlash? (Loss of votes, sanctions, etc)

It's a very conspiracy theory point of view and I know it won't happen, I'm just curious to know what would actually happen.

"Nom nom nom" - Brady Hoke

cplunk's picture

Nothing would happen.
This is even more true this year- losing your vote wouldn't matter. The polls mean nothing next year. The committee can take any four teams it feels are the best under its criteria. Ranking in the AP, Coaches, or Harris polls is not one of the criteria.
Essentially, if the SEC coaches wanted to vote a big F-you to OSU, this is the perfect year for them to do it. The only repercussions would be either meaningless (losing their vote for next year) or merely public relations/outcry. And you can bet a portion of the media would defend them as "having done what was necessary to get the best two teams in the final"

GOOMBAY's picture

Watching plenty of ESPN on a sick day. Major narratives:

  • FSU's weak schedule a non-factor due to blowouts. 
  • OSU has "struggled" through a similarly weak schedule, which is determinative or - at least - cause for skepticism. 
  • OSU has not beat a top 10 team this season. 
  • OSU "definitely" would have lost 2-3 games in the SEC.
  • Auburn penciled in as beating Mizzou and talk of "deserving" and "shame" should they not make the NCG. 
  • Myriad (laughable?) hypotheticals for not only Auburn, but also <wait for it> Alabama to make the NCG. 

​I'd like to quote the immortal Lou Brown: "Me, I'm for wasting sportswriters' time. So I figured we ought to hang around for a while and see if we can give 'em all a nice big shitburger to eat!"

misterbulbous's picture

- there's also been times where OSU has taken a knee to avoid running up the score.  Heck, about half the head coaches in the BIG are from OSU...
- SEC folks don't watch BIG football.  I've got people all over my workplace in Kentucky chanting the "OSU is terrible" mantra - yet they only get info from ESPN.
- All week the only two themes presented in the UM-OSU game were:
1.  Michigan is awful
2.  Michigan is famous for upsetting an undefeated OSU
(I think this is all the UM kids heard all week and it sure fired them up).
-  There are some pretty awful teams in the SEC.  Florida, UK (winless), Arkansas (winless?), Ole Miss, Miss State...

BuckeyeChief's picture

LMAO, at least we would only be a 2-3 loss team in the SEC, last few years everyone said 5!

"2014 National with it!!!"

Big Riz's picture

Another ESPN narrative: Auburn should be rewarded for the perseverance and teamwork they have shown by doing anything possible to win their last 8 games. You know why they had to do that? Because they LOST the week before. How about some credit for winning 24 straight?!? Doesn't that make OSU 3x more deserving? How about a narrative of coming back from NCAA sanctions, not letting that tear this program apart, and not putting up a L in two seasons?

USMC11917's picture

OSU "definitely" would have lost 2-3 games in the SEC.
Based off what? Auburn and Missouri were close to winless in the conference last year yet both go all wins but for one each. So again, we'd lose at least twice why?

opus's picture

Paul Finebaum, self-proclaimed King of SEC Media, says that the ESPN and national narrative has been against the SEC and Auburn.
You can see for yourself on the Paul Finebaum Radio Show, currently being simulcast on ESPN.

Colorado Buckeye's picture

I'm literally in shock watching this and hearing them talk about how there is a national skew AGAINST the SEC.... when literally all you can find on ESPiN is bobble heads spewing how great and powerful the mighty SEC. Once we finish taking care of business against Mich St, i hope Mizzou beats the crap out of Auburn. None of these SEC trolls are talking them up and I would love to just see them explain how great the SEC is when a mid-level Big XII team can go in and win the conference in their 2nd year!

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever!

Shangheyed's picture

Indeed it didn't take A&M or Mizzu long to figure out the SEC... and Vandy a powerhouse this year...
SEC Is down bigtime... where is Florida?  Georgia? Tennessee?  I think at one point the SEC Pundits(AP) had the Bulldogs at 4 or 5 in the country... who knew they were talking about year end losses...
It makes business sense for ESpin to take down the B1G, which is really the only real CF competition Espin has... Too much power there and indeed influences voters across the country.  ESpin does what is in it's best interests as a company... Mickey would be proud! 
What can be done about it?  Are there Anti-Trust Laws being broken... just need to turn on ESpin its every's comical now.
CNN has to always say "a TIME WARNER COMPANY..." Why wouldn't ESPIN have to stay clearly they own the SEC property to broadcast SEC games after each time they mention the SEC?  That might keep them honest?  
Mark May said.... "The SEC is stronger conference, SEC is an ESpin property... " ahhh I would love to hear Mark May say that...

Whoa Nellie's picture

If you need any more ammunition, ask them when Auburn became so awesome, and not just the flavor of the week.  After playing crappy against Miss St?  After losing to LSU by 2 TD's?  After the miracle between the hedges?  After a second miracle v. Bama? 

“Don’t fear criticism. The stands are full of critics. They play no ball. They fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down on the field are the doers, they make mistakes because they attempt many things.”

opus's picture

They barely beat a 6-6 Washington State team. They barely beat a 7-5 Ole Miss team. They barely beat a 6-6 Mississippi State team. They blew a three-score lead against Georgia, which caused them to need the Hail Mary in the first place. 
Clearly this is the resume of a championship team.

TommyWayne's picture

Well, wins are wins. I do remember an OSU team from 2002 that scraped by a few. The big difference is that one number advantage in the L column.
If Auburn was undefeated, I wouldn't have a problem with them being above OSU (well.. I mean, personally I would have a little bit of a problem, but rationally I think I could accept it).

Colorado Buckeye's picture

but their a team of destiny!

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever!

Maestro's picture

Destined to have at least 1 loss when the season is completed.

vacuuming sucks

TommyWayne's picture

No True Scotsman all over the place. It's a moving target when they want to hit OSU.
"You shouldn't count the win streak from last year" -- Will gladly mention the SEC streak of championships and Alabama's recent history in general.
OSU wins big -- "It was bad competition!"
OSU eeks one out -- "See, they're TERRIBLE!"
A team loses (specifically after Oregon lost) - "Well, they weren't playing Oregon football, so we'll have to work this out somehow."
The SOS argument - despite OSU being right up there near anyone who's not in the Pac -12, even being ahead of FSU and the formerly beloved Baylor (in most), they get no love -- rather, other's get no hate. Not to mention FSU's win against Clemson still looks "good" despite Clemson being inflated by a relatively terrible Georgia team. The SEC is also being dominated by two middle-of-the-road Big 12 schools (I mean, they're contending immediately in this "almighty super awesome mega conference of amazomg FOOOOTBAWWWW!!!") Which goes to show that, hmm, maybe the strength always was a bit of truth coupled with a rather large amount of the chips falling in the right places followed by a self-perpetuating cycle. The SOS is simply an argument that may have been true in recent years but, really, this is the year where that rhetoric isn't valid, which is sweet. 
I'm sure there are other moving targets here, but if anyone is trying that, it's best to simply ignore them because if they're starting with No True Scotsman, they're going to keep that up.
**I accidentally a thought

llong83's picture

I've been doing some reading and have come across some very good articles in regards to ESPN and the SEC this weekend...i was completely livid yesterday after watching ESPN's COMPLETELY biased media coverage yesterday(MARK MAY), and really couldn't understand it. Since we're all B1G representatives, we need to make it loud and clear that ESPN has a clear agenda to place the SEC at the top of the college football mountain. And that agenda boils down to dollars...
They have an unprecedented deal with the SEC where they will be controlling all SEC digital content...

Buckeyes...or Nothing

ScarletGray43157's picture

One game at a time.  Keep winning.  Let everyone deal with it.  The continuing story...

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

BuckeyeChief's picture

My favorite part of the story is how the SEC mentality is on par with Idiocracy; no one can think for themselves, and keep repeating the same reasons over and over. At least one guy on my ship (A UF fan) said "Auburn 'cause I hate him (Urban Meyer)". That was honest and he has been a pretty fair guy all year in regards to the Buckeyes.

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BuddhaBuck's picture

Assuming Mark May can read, someone please forward this to him immediately.

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Bucksfan's picture

When someone says Ohio State hasn't played anybody (after they play and beat Sparty), tell them the Bucks have played and gashed 3 of the nation's top-10 defenses, including #1.  Auburn is only 1-1 against the 2 that they played from the top-30.

Big Riz's picture

They have already started, by saying that Michigan State hasnt played anybody, they are a paper tiger, and a win over them means nothing. I just love how an Auburn squeaker over Ole Miss means so much more than a potential win against #10 MSU...

Bucksfan's picture

Exactly.  There's always some sort of nonsense comeback whenever you throw statistics in people's faces.

Iwearmocs's picture

Don't forget to mention we had Vandy scheduled this year before they bailed on us.  While that game wouldn't seriously upgrade our strength of schedule, its always fun to counter with a few jabs about how the SEC is scared to play us in our stadiums.

Sean N's picture

We've been hearing for years how a middle of the pack SEC team would beat Ohio State.  This year they had their chance.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

The Buckeyes beat the school up north but took a statistical whipping in the process. But it's not all bad news for us OSU fans. Ohio State’s defense ranks 30th, allowing 355.8 yards per game. For comparison sake SEC title foes Missouri (385.4) and Auburn (414.3) rank 52nd and 75th respectively.
So the Buckeyes, on paper, aren’t nearly as bad as some might think they look on the field. It's easy to overlook those lousy SEC stats when SEC shills outnumber us.

Maestro's picture

but, but, but what about offense? I mean what about special teams?  I mean what about coaches?  I mean what about historical rivalries?  I mean what about mascots, a tiger would eat a Buckeye easily.

vacuuming sucks

Coqui's picture

If they mention Strength of Schedule, ask them why they aren't saying they should jump Florida State?
If they mention crappy teams, ask them why they thought Alabama was worthy.  They played less teams with winning records.
If they mention margin of victory, ask them why Auburn has so many close wins against 6-6 teams?

Big Riz's picture

Last night Jesse Palmer went on a tirade about SOS and how OSU has no quality wins and their best OOC win is Buffalo, which proves Auburn should jump them. A quick look at the schedules shows that Auburn played Arkansas St, Western Carolina, and Florida Atlantic. Sooooo, their premier non-conf win is FAU and that means something?

Maestro's picture

Trolls, they are a plenty.
This reminds me of many debates/discussions that I have had over the years of posing on CFB football boards.  The humongous vast majority of people who write about college football and post on-line have very little historical perspective.  
Ask fools like these how many undefeated seasons Florida has in their 108 seasons of playing football.  Answer is ZERO.
Going undefeated is incredibly rare and incredibly difficult.  It is therefore rewarded when it occurs at the highest levels of college football. 

vacuuming sucks

BuckeyeChief's picture

+1000 points for me, I just got a Bama fan to admit if we play Auburn, he wants us to win!!! I AM ON FIRE!!!!

"2014 National with it!!!"

Jeff Beck's picture

Really well done. Love it.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Awesome!!! I've been bitch slapping SEC homers since the Auburn / Bama game!  This just adds some bullets to the chamber!

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ogama843's picture

I cant see your chart. :( 
**oops, this was supposed to be in response to boojtastic.

Holy Buckeye!

ogama843's picture

Be very wary... While we argue all this bullsh-t, Michigan State is slithering into a coil ready to STRIKE and bite us in the ass. Stay focused and don't let it happen!!!!
We will have a whole month to make trolls eat sh-t if we win Saturday.

Holy Buckeye!

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Game, set and match.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

GrizzledWarrior's picture

I think the most important point outlined in this article is this : if your team is a in an AQ conference and you have hopes of reaching the MNCG, DON"T LOSE!!  This is how the BCS system operates and has always operated.  DON"T LOSE and your team WILL be rewarded. Always remember and don't ever forget that!!  NOT LOSING A GAME is the most important qualifier. Everything else is secondary - by a long shot.  This is why Buckeye fans should feel secure, if they beat MSU, about reaching the Title Game. Okay, I am repeating Jeff's words. My apologies. But it bears repeating. I love my Buckeyes and my fellow Buckeye fans. But please, spare yourself unnecessary angst, anxiety and frustration.  Don't get caught up in all this mindless and senseless banter about scheduling and conference strength and eye-test BS and whatever else some tool happens to pull from his or her ass. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE WIN!!!  If there is a zero in our loss column, or any team's loss column, that is what matters above all else.  In trying to figure this shit out, one must remove their own brain, put it on a shelf and install the BCS 'brain'.  Then you will realize zero losses is far above any other qualifying crapola.  Quit being masochists by listening to the talking heads. As I see it, when they argue against OSU (in this case) to the degree that they do, what they are really arguing against is the BCS system. And they don't even realize they are doing so. Sometimes they even end up arguing against their own argument without knowing it. They throw more horse shit than a top of the line John Deere manure spreader, for crying out loud. They are no more insightful or expert than we are. But they do have one thing that we don't have  - a national platform.