Important Notice Regarding Potential NCAA Violations on Eleven Warriors

July 30, 2013 at 5:42p    by Jason Priestas    
136 Comments
Braxton Miller and Demetrius Knox

Sunday night, offensive guard Demetrius Knox committed to Ohio State, becoming the 15th member of Urban Meyer's 2014 class. Knox, a 6-foot-3, 290-pound guard from All Saints Episcopal in Fort Worth, is considered a 4-star talent, considered the nation's No. 6 guard in the 247 composite rankings.

As many of you already know, Knox is also a a member of this site and has not shied away from commenting and interacting with with other members, both prior to, and after his commitment to the Buckeyes.

Which means we have a small problem.

Several site members are Ohio State boosters and according to the kind folks in Ohio State's compliance department, interacting with Knox on Eleven Warriors – even something as seemingly innocuous as a reply to one of his comments – is considered a secondary NCAA violation.

We've asked Demetrius to lay low on the site and although he's not thrilled about it, he's agreed to do so. Here's what you can do: Avoid replying to any comment Knox has made or will make going forward. Especially if you're a booster.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Go Bucks!


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buck-I.8's picture

Doesn't the NCAA basically consider all fans as boosters?

AndyVance's picture

Not exactly, but close. Here's the skinny:

Boosters, referred to by the NCAA as “representatives of the institution’s athletic interests,” include anyone who has:

  • Provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any sport at the university.
  • Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs.
  • Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization.
  • Arranged for or provided employment for enrolled student-athletes.
  • Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.
  • Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families.
  • Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.

Once an individual is identified as a “representative of the institution’s athletics interests,” the person retains that identity forever.

Crimson's picture

Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.

Yes, that makes every person who has ever uttered the words, "Go Bucks!" a booster.
Do they award you with a certificate certifying that you are a booster (for the sake of certification)?

cronimi's picture

I think you're reading too much into this. Though I haven't looked at 'official interpretations' or enforcement of the rule, I can't believe (even if it is the NCAA) that anyone who supports a team/school would be treated as a booster. Where the line is drawn is unclear, but I'd think the "involved otherwise in promoting" would have to be in an official, or at least quasi-official, capacity (though such capacity would not be required for the other criteria).

Crimson's picture

Tommy Boy always solves these problems.

LuckyDAWG685's picture

Does this then mean current and former students who bought season tickets are considered boosters?

Buckeye Nuthouse Member 2011-13 season
Block "O" 2012 season

Urban Nation Army's picture

seems like it... damn
Would that mean that when I saw Dylan Thompson on his official visit, if I had said something to him that would have been a violation?

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

hodge's picture

No. Students don't make donations to purchase the tickets--they only pay fees. If I recall correctly, to purchase season tickets as an alum you need to make a donation to the school. 

cronimi's picture

Yes, exactly what Hodge wrote. You have to join the Buckeye Club or other, more costly 'club'/group in order to get the privilege of buying season tickets. Students just pay the student season-ticket price.
While the booster definition is broad, it is not all-encompassing.

AndyVance's picture

Kudos to Jason and company for getting ahead of this issue upfront. The NCAA will at some point have to revisit its policies on impermissible contact given situations like this and yesterday's note about the M*ch*g*n booster/Twitter CEO.

popeurban's picture

I'm starting to believe is will not matter for much longer.m the o'bannon suit seems to have the NCAA scared and I believe they will not exist much longer in the capacity we have known them.  

oh_dad55's picture

No comment.

Oh_Dad

Citrus's picture

Thanks for mentioning this. It does point out how silly some of the NCAA rules are.

omahabeef1337's picture

This is a great example of a stupid NCAA rule.

harleymanjax's picture

Really! No 11W? But Twitter is still OK?

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

buck-I.8's picture

Twitter falls under the same rules. Technically tweeting at recruits opens the door for a violation, but it isn't so simple to spotlight.

dubjayfootball90's picture

Now I am stepping on eggshells. Stupid rule. Gah! Oh well, even though it is stupid, it is not hard to comply with now that the 11W staff has made us aware of it. If not, then it could have escalated into a bigger problem, maybe. But such a stupid rule.

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

danman9450's picture

Nothing shall be said to the one which we do not speak of.

AndyVance's picture

He's a lineman, not Lord Volde... Oh, wait. Damn.

Deadly Nuts's picture

The C.E.O of Twitter got busted for bullshit like this rule yesterday.

LEBRON

Deadly Nuts's picture

Stupid rule is stupid.

LEBRON

OSUStu's picture

Sshhhh.  Don't tell anyone about Meechy's access to the premium lounge. 

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

lljjgg's picture

Dumb NCAA rule, but obviously none of us want to jeopardize our Buckeyes in anyway! Duly noted.

harleymanjax's picture

But more importantly............Are UPVOTES a violation?
If so, we have a HUGE problem!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

CentralFloridaBuckeye's picture

I hope that they don't call the upvote police on us.  This isn't good. 
Seriously though, the NCAA needs to take a good long look at the rule book and determine what really makes sense.  There are just so many little nit picky things.  We'll see what happens.
Go Bucks!

buckeyedude's picture

I think you're getting the hang of this, Harleyman.
So let's use downvotes instead. Downvotes are the new upvotes.

 

 

Deadly Nuts's picture

Downvoted...

LEBRON

Phillips.449's picture

Hurry up and put the code in so we can reverse our "fat finger" upvotes.  I swear they were all accidental. Stupid iPhone

BuckeyeChief's picture

Welp Jason and Co, you have now hit the big time. Funny I deleted a comment I was going to make on this being a violation (in jest) a few weeks ago.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

ManBearPig's picture

As soon as Meechy committed this topic crossed my mind. Anyway, I am glad we caught this early.

I breathe Linux with a topping of Buckeyes...

FitzBuck's picture

Wow couldn't think of something more innocent than what Meechy and other members have done on this site in plain view. Very dumb rule but will comply.

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

Grayskullsession's picture

Sorry Meechy. Hope to see you back on the site after you enroll!

"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."

BME_Buckeye's picture

Wait, so when he enrolls at OSU, does that mean its no longer a secondary violation?

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

Crimson's picture

Once he enrolls or signs his LOI, whichever comes first.

FROMTHE18's picture

Knox knows, or should know, how much we appreciate his participation on this site as a fan/prospect/(and now) commit. He's one heckuva dude and hope he can get back involved full time in the not so distant future.

buckeyedude's picture

I know that The Man We Don't Speak Of is thankful you changed your icon/avatar, FROMTHE18. He didn't tell me(no violation), but I'm certain he's glad.

 

 

FROMTHE18's picture

let the icon thing go. its an icon, on a website, that is the size of a thumbnail, that is now irrelevent. moving on.

buckeyedude's picture

Did you take your nap today?

 

 

Unky Buck's picture

You know we can't do that. We have an epic thread dedicated to Bucksfan changing his icon. It's what we do...it's who we are.

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Whosisbrew's picture

This is beyond stupid.

Hovenaut's picture

I just want to formally declare that I will be compliant in compliance.

I am not the Last Dragon, therefore I do not possess the power of the Glow.

HighBallAce's picture

Do I get special seating privileges now that I'm a booster?....hehe
Was soooo tempted to put a pic of boobs up and call myself a "boobster" now that I've figured out how to put up pics on here but alas I digress. 

Toilrt Paper's picture

SOOO, if you are a U of M fan or some dumb blond, you can talk to him and congratulate him all you want.
Ya that makes sense.

buckguyfan1's picture

Ok, get in line people...

DefendYoungstown's picture

Thank you sir, may I have another!
 

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Philly White's picture

I don't know why I'm posting this here, what with this being a football web site and all, but let me go on the record and say how great Fort Knox is. I see a lot of big things in Fort Knox's future. I think with some hard work, Fort Knox could be a household name in a few years.
Anyway, decide for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Knox

denner's picture

Silly rule.
How are those comments different from the 11W community questions for recruits?
 
 

Unky Buck's picture

I really don't know if this true or not, so someone, correct me if I'm wrong, but since the 11W staff is actually asking the question and there isn't actual interaction with users, I would think that this is fine.
I should say I haven't had a chance to participate, but from what I've read, I've always assumed that we provide the questions to Jeremy or any of the other awesome staff members and they essentially ask the recruits.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I have a serious question:
What about those playing fantasy football with him?  I actually thought about this when he brought it up.  Would it be better for him to dissolve that league, too?

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

AndyVance's picture

That would come under the heading of if those players knew him prior to his commitment. If they formed the league prior to his announcement, my understanding is that they're all probably fine, but should probably walk on eggshells just to be safe.
The sucky thing for guys like Knox who want to interact with a team's fanbase but also get the recruitment process over and done with is that the two desires appear to be mutually exclusive if you want to avoid all possibility of potential secondary violations.

Calgarybuck's picture

The other 9 members of the league have been advised of this article and will avoid any contact with meechy.....We'll honor whatever decision is made by meechy concerning the league, however I hope we do get to play through since it was an open invitation by him, it's strictly for fun!
Have a good night gents! 

Poison nuts's picture

Can a staff member clarify for certain if this applies only to recruits or does it go for current players too? Not that I communicate with either recruits or players, but I did want to know the difference. Also, hopefully this doesn't stop the community interview series?

"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill" - Detective Rustin Cohle.

Crimson's picture

These restrictions end on NLOI day (or, I assume, when they enroll early).

Unky Buck's picture

See you on February 5, 2014, Meechy

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BassDropper's picture

Yet there are thousands of creeps who message these kids on twitter. I cringe when I see OSU fans tweeting recruits and it seems to be the same ones over and over. I would really like to put some of these people on blast but I cant with the position I am in.
I think there is a big difference between tweeting and someone coming and wanting to talk on a messageboard. Meechy clearly wants to post on this forum, so I feel it is ok for fans to talk to him like he is any other poster, except he is the best football player at his position in the entire nation.

DIRECTIONER

steensn's picture

What if you are just a creepy 30 year old Walmart fan? Is it ok then?

harleymanjax's picture

I think this is all a dasterdly plot by Buckeyevstheworld to keep his #1 spot on the 11W leaderboard!

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

FitzBuck's picture

I was wondering the same thing. So I began tracing the origins of the serial down voter because it just didnt make sense to DV Meechy.  Believe me you don't want to know how deep this rabbit hole goes.  This guy is connected to big oil, Enron, the illuminati and aliens.  I can't give you everything but from what I've found the plan looks like this.  
1. Hold the lead for helmet stickers
2. ...........................
3. Take over the world.  
Buckeyevstheworld I'm on to you.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

Crimson's picture

I swear there was something about underpants in the plan . . .
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151040/the-underpants-business

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

NCAA and their evil empire makes me so mad!

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

Calgarybuck's picture

TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!!!! 

razrback16's picture

Well that's pretty ridiculous. Kid likes coming here to chat with us and the NCAA thinks they can rule his life by telling everyone they can't interact with him. Utterly absurd. Hopefully the school presidents will get together and kick the NCAA to the curb sooner rather than later.

USMC11917's picture

Hey, the NCAA needs a piece of the action too. Meech can't get any upvotes if the NCAA can't get theirs!!

HighBallAce's picture

Someone should start a screen name of NCAA so they'd get "theirs!" Unfortunately I don't think anyone would upvote them. They would set the record for downvotes.....lol

spqr2008's picture

What I'd like to do is see if Buckeye fans are a class and could file suit against the NCAA for violating freedom of assembly(by forcing Ohio State, which is a state institution and takes federal money through pell grants and student loans, to enforce their rules which could violate student and alumni 1st amendment rights).  Any opinions from the lawyers out there?

cronimi's picture

Eh, I wouldn't take that case. NCAA is a private institution, not a state actor. NCAA is not "forcing" Ohio State to do anything, and Ohio State (state actor) is not restricting assembly or speech rights of private citizens (i.e., members of 11W nation). The Compliance Dept comment to 11W is out of an abundance of caution, as there may be "boosters" (as defined by the NCAA) on this site. I (for one) am confident that I am not a booster in the eyes of the NCAA, but still I won't be commenting on Meechy's posts except/unless it is to respond to its substance, not to give a shout-out -- assuming he actually will post here before next February.

spqr2008's picture

That's what I figured.  I just want to end the NCAA, and the best way to do that is to simultaneously attack it from as many fronts as possible.  

USMC11917's picture

Cooperation, Granted!!

collisionbend's picture

What if you had the ability to format a recruit's comments differently so that we could plainly see that the commenter was a non-signed commit - perhaps a background image or a certain color border. It would be a fairly simple thing to do, considering that you have membership profiles and such: All it would take is a piece of logic that raises a certain flag and dumps a class on his comment, then a couple of rules in your CSS to adjust the display.
Something small like that could help us out, especially when some usernames are identificationally ambiguous, and it would reduce the burden on the recruit.
Just a thought...

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
AndyVance's picture

A black stripe, perhaps...

buckeyedude's picture

This got me to thinking(scary, I know): I wonder if there was a way to highlight/indentify OSU alums on 11W? 

 

 

droessl's picture

or make TTUN fans' avatars have a yellow band around them? 

jfunk's picture

Or just make it so you can't comment on/upvote any of his comments.

Scotch: It may be too early to drink it, yes; but people it is never to early to think about it.

jeremytwoface's picture

I was really wondering about this...
I joked about up-voting his comments being a violation.
 
It's a very stupid rule but...
Rules is rules

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

MN Buckeye's picture

Damn, I guess Meechy will not be hanging out in the 11W Premium lounge any more. At least there will be more food for the rest of us (until February). 

jeremytwoface's picture

Question:
Is it a secondary violation to even mention him by name? Or by user name?

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

HighBallAce's picture

It would be my guess that he will still hang out on here, just under an anonymous screen name.

Idaho Helga's picture

Dammit, now I know who took the last of the free tacos.  :(

MN Buckeye's picture

The last thing I would want is to cause an issue for Urban and the football program. While the rule may not make sense in our context, it was put there for a reason and the staff here, as usual, are right on top of it. Better to avoid any potential problems.

Idaho Helga's picture

I didn't read every post here yet, but I have to admit, I was worried that we might be violating some NCAA poop (not the word I prefer, but we'll go with "poop") here.  I'd hate to lose Meechy as a poster here because it isn't fair to him (ugh, this is just the beginning with the rules Nazis in Indiana) so might I suggest:
Can the grey signature that appears at the bottom of the post for Meechy have some sort of a reminder that he is a recruit and do not respond?  No, probably not. It wouldn't matter.
#1: I wonder about trolls.  They'd love to grab a phony handle and get tOSU into trouble until they are eventually outed.  #BertWOOSOOIE  #FloridaButtHurt They could send $20 to the alum association and qualify from what is posted here.  ;(
#2: Meechy could change his name here, not mention anything about personal experiences and still get his posts out.  The man is savvy so he could just post (1st amendment anyone?) as a fan.  He can write a book when he's 35 and has enjoyed the long NFL career and tell us how great it was to be on a national championship team, etc and what total Richards the NCAA was the whole experience.  And the day he leaves tOSU he can regain his rightful login.
#3: I have to think, if there isn't 10 or 100 already, #2 is already in motion for players at every high profile university.   Hey NCAA, I'm 19 and I'm wayyyyy ahead of you dorks in social media.  You actually fax your press releases.  To my virtual fax.  Which of course, you haven't heard of yet.
Sorry, this might put me in the dog house with the compliance dept.  By the way, I meet all the criterion of NOT being a booster (I am an Alum but never joined the society as I moved away and if I go to a game I buy on the open market!  I can give a hearty "Go Bucks" but that's about it for the list.)
Go Elevenwarriors, Go Bucks! (Dammit, proof I'm a BOOSTER?)

Haybucks's picture

I bought Sparty season tickets to get good seats for the Buckeye games.  I sold all others (at a terrible lo$$ - even the ND game).  Those season tickets had a booster fee attached.  I was thinking they were the most expensive pins and magnets I ever bought. Now, it appears there is some value left! So, if Dantonio get a little smug about this rule, let me know.

I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
 

Maestro's picture

Duly noted good people.

vacuuming sucks

ToothBuck's picture

Oh that silly NCAA. I agree with Idaho though, Meechy still can change his name, simliar, but not own up to it and post like the regular folk at least unitl NLSD. I know  a few here have done the same to evade some of Jason's watchful eyes after posts poor in taste.

Idaho Helga's picture

Thanks.  This NCAA crap is worse than IRS code.  I do accounting and computer work for a living.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

It's funny, because I had actually been a little concerned that 11W was not an unqualified plus when it came to Knox's recruitment -- I'm thinking here in particular about comments that expressed impatience with him for his alleged dalliance with UCLA.
But I understand why it has to be this way, even if we'll miss his unique perspective for the time being.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Denny's picture

Being mad because the NCAA is stupid >>> being mad that you can't try to interact with on the internet with a high school kid who might play for your favorite football team 

Taquitos.

Maestro's picture

Ha!

vacuuming sucks

BUCKI06's picture

Wow, the NCAA really has their ish together.  Props to 11W though for being on top of it.

"As long as we're keeping score, we're gonna try to win this thing." - UFM

ohiowhitesnake's picture

so you are saying adding him on Facebook is a bad idea?

741's picture

Not only have I not commented on any of his posts, I've never even upvoted him.
My hands are clean.

ScarletGray43157's picture

The NCAA was founded in the early 1900s when there had been several years in succession where there were many deaths, DEATHS, on the football field.  The NCAA made rules changes to protect the players on the field.  
The case can be made that the NCAA has outlived its usefulness.  

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

buckeyedude's picture

And leather helmets.

 

 

nfischer's picture

Thank goodness Meechy didn't know about this earlier or he would have delayed his commitment.  :)  

One Bad Buckeye's picture

Can we still communicate via plethora of up votes for all his comments?

"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."

XUbuckeye's picture

Some of these NCAA rules really make me scratch my head. 

"So when you get knocked on your butt, get up, get over it, and then next time, kick their ass." - Woody Hayes 

Aesculus.'s picture

I'm going to start planning for a future without the NCAA.

11/8/2014 @Michigan State aka Payback

Knarcisi's picture

The NCAA rules are outdated as is. Them trying to keep up with the social media is like trying to get a model T Ford to go to the moon. 

Knarcisi's picture

And sorry, but actually glad I asked the question. Wouldn't want to see ESPN troll my name across the bottom. Then my wife would REALLY think I spend too much time on here. 

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I is NOT booster.  I buy tickets through StubHub or my aunt.  And I'm a cheap ass that doesn't donate shit. 

Class of 2010.

buckeyedude's picture

All I can say is:

 

 

cronimi's picture

As I noted above, NCAA is a private association, not a state actor. First Amendment/Bill of Rights only applies to state action. So the first amendment is irrelevant/inapplicable.

theDuke's picture

I believe, as part of the Bill of Rights, it is always applicable. How is this not a form of censorship, either for 11W or for Meech? Kudos to 11W for doing the right thing, which is to look out for our student athletes. That being said, you're right, the ncaa is a monopoly and wants to maintain that status (i think you referred to it as a "private association" lol... they're also a not for profit association, amirite? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-07-09/NCAA-Mark... ) . So they do things like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/sports/wrestler-hoping-to-inspire-thro...  
 
More proof that emmert and his jack booted thugs would rather line their coffers and run college sports like a sweatshop in Guiyang. tOSU's paranoia of the NCAA is troublesome but warranted... http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136263n   

theDuke

cronimi's picture

I'm not saying what the NCAA is doing is right, my comment in that post was to point out that a private association or other non-state actor cannot be sued/tried for violations of the First Amendment.

buckeyedude's picture

The NCAA may be a "private association," but it sure acts like a state/federal agency, what with it's inefficiencies, tedious bureaucracies, antiquated systems, and uneven justice.

 

 

hit_the_couch's picture

The NCAA is such a nazi organization. 

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

BSTP DeCon's picture

 

 

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ArizonaBuckeye's picture

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-

urbanwarfare's picture

Hey NCAA "let my people go"

Oyster's picture

Well, it looks like Buckeyevstheworld status on the leaderboard is safe, for now...

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

1stYrBuckIClub's picture

Fortunately, as a booster we are frequently informed about what is and is not permissible regarding contact between us and commited recruits. Ohio State compliance is very thorough, and I would hope since we're supporting the university that we'd all avoid anything that could harm it. Unfortunately, it seems a little stupid that one of our fellow 11Wers is now in message board purgatory until signing day. 

Dougger's picture

I'm glad that OSU was keeping an eye on things. If the ncaa can read this..
Youre Just the worst. 

I like football

droessl's picture

No... I wasn't talking to a committed player. I was talking to ehh... Knemetrius Dox.. Yeah, that's it! 

 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Mindy Drayer is reporting that it was Will Muschamp who tipped off the NCAA concerning this secondary violation.

Earle's picture

She has diagrams that show that the recruit may or may not have actually commented on 11W, but that several boosters definitely responded to his comments.

Italics are for emphasis.

63tinman's picture

O'Banish Ye, NCAA! O'Banish Ye like a Merchant of Pants that are Golden by the Shores of Skin-dried Ink.  Fear not, Young Ballers, for the morrow will soon rise where casting one's gaze upon a Lake of Mirror shall impart no such Evil lurking past your visage, and no longer shall you feel its foul and heated breath upon your neck! Thee Mighty Benjamins shall arise and conquer this Oppressor, where Reason has failed to tread. O to thee H, Young Ballers and Fanatics! Long live tOSU.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in Michigan now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not Buckeyes,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That wore Silver Bullets upon Saint Urban’s day.

MN Buckeye's picture

Wow! Buckeypoetlaureate has some competition!

ChazBuckeye's picture

I thought this from the beginning but figured someone would know early on and put a stop to it if it were a 2ndary violation.  To me, I think it's stupid that NCAA has all these silly rules considering the way social media is used today as well as the internet.  To me, they should be worried about tSEC after seeing the types of cash being shown on instagram (Ole Miss, Bama and others).  But what do I know;-)

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

In some fields of endeavor, such tricks are done deliberately, choreographed to distract the customer's/public's attention away from the real problem (or more sensible purchase) to some other trifling matter/object. "Don't look over there . . . look at this shiny object over here!"
In this case (NCAA/SEC), it's not a "conspiracy," but rather where we are in the evolution of a convoluted system.

ChazBuckeye's picture

Fido:
I mean no conspiracy theory stuff with my comment above.  I look at it more of a confliction of interest as far as the Media is concerned (like ESPN and so on).  They don't want to report stuff that may affect their long term contract, like the one tSEC has with ESPN until "2026!" That may be more to do with my comment:-)  It's definitely not a conspiracy;-)

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Oh, no, sorry, I didn't mean that you were suggesting there are any conspiratorial dynamics at play.
Rather, I was lamenting along with you that, in some industries/fields (e.g., politics or sales), they actually have to hire "messaging" consultants to run that old trick, "look over here, not over there!" whereas the NCAA inadvertently runs it free-of-charge for the SEC.
Along those lines, we also tend to assume that big organizations dislike it when the systems in which they operate are characterized by a lot of red tape and heavy-handed, hyper-complicated regulations; in fact, they often thrive under such conditions.
The big organizations that at least try to play by the rules can hire lots of smart people to get around the obstacles, while their less sophisticated competitors get bogged down. But it's maybe the ethically-challenged big organizations that most benefit because they'll be more willing to stretch the limits as they encourage their smart people to find creative ways of playing the system against itself.

ChazBuckeye's picture

Lamenting fits this situation and many with tSEC/media.  I really didn't think you were but noticed you replied to my comment.  Wanted to make sure you didn't think I'm like many who feel that ESPN or any of the media are "out to get OSU."  They just like to make sure their point is heard about our fav team.  As you stated, lament for the SEC/media is sort of like this... ;-)

Lament for my cock...sore and crucified, I seek to know you;-)

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

hail2victors9's picture

It's a good thing there aren't any Michigan fans on this site.
 
 

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!

~Bo Schembechler

spqr2008's picture

Well, Hail, you can still talk to him.

gobucks96's picture

No he cannot!!!
 
lol
 

Yenots11's picture

NCAA - perpetual buzzkill

Go Bucks!! 

"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam!"

-1 HS
gobucks96's picture

I'll post just after him and everyone can act they think I'm the cool one.. 
 
 
 

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Dear NCAA, go die somewhere. That is all.
Go Bucks!

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

Yamosu's picture

So I assume both my donations to 11 Warriors and to Ohio State non-athletic fund would make me a booster.  Do I get a hat or something?

Knarcisi's picture

Wait, what happens with our forum questions for the verbal commits?  It's indirect, so what's after a secondary violation?  Lets call the NCAA. They'll hire a committee and have that one figured out by 2020.