Here we are, two weeks into October and Ohio State has already topped their win total from 2012, thanks to a 52-49 win in Horseshoe West. #URBTOPIA feels pretty damn good.
Defensively, it was a night to forget—even if Zach Boren made an appearance at linebacker—as the team gave up 49 points to the Hoosiers.
Offensively? Oh boy... Braxton Miller, Carlos Hyde, Devin Smith and the rest of the crew put up 52, topping the half century mark in back-to-back games for the first time since 1996 (Rice and Pittsburgh). Miller accounted for 358 yards (211 through the air, 149 on the ground) to go with three touchdowns, Hyde rushed for 156 yards and accounted for two scores and Smith had two catches for 106 yards and two TDs of his own.
Let's party, Ohio...
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Embarrassing performance, that's all I have to say
So, this is the worst OSU defense since when??
Ever? We've never given up 49 to Indiana.
The North remembers.
Ever.
That was disgusting.
-The Aristocrats!
Never expected to give up that many points. scUM will have a field day if we don't adjust to the spread quick. But man is our offense electric?!?!
As always, I will take any win, anytime, against anybody and be happy.
That said, boy do we need to change some things about the defense. Get as whacky as they like and experiment away; we can't possibly get worse.
Ugly, ugly, ugly
Who is Mike? I think He had the high score for blocked Comments.
-The Aristocrats!
It was 52-49.
The South will NOT rise again!
Posted this a little prematurely don't you think? Glad you didn't jinx it. Worst Ohio State defense I have ever seen. Close to the worst defense in the country.
Yep, that was my mistake. Good thing nothing I type has any effect on what happens on the field. :/
Very superstitious writings on the wall
Story currently says "thanks to a 52-41 win in Horseshoe West." Should be 52-49.
/embarrassing (not the typo, the defensive effort)
P.S. I'm happy we're 7-0, but a Top 10 team this is not.
The good news is that our offense is practically unstoppable.
The bad news is that it pretty much has to be in order for us to win.
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Our offense is not unstoppable. We just havent played a defense thats capable of stopping it yet....
You say that as if there's one in the Big Ten that's capable of doing that.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Thats kinda my point. Were just not playing anybody capable of stopping our offense. Just because your Geo Metro can outrun every car on your street doesnt mean its fast lol. Too say our offense is unstoppable is just crazy talk. Hell just a few weeks ago we only put up 17pts against MSU now everyone wants to say our offense is unstoppable because were killing lowsy defenses??
Good news this is! Unfortunately, if Braxton gets hurt like he did at Nebraska last yr, how F--kd would our whole team be?
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
I don't know. Kenny looked in control. I was hoping that Meyer would have thrown him in there at the end of Nebraska and this evening. But I guess 'the wizard' ain't wrong on that one as well.
Win is a win, but winning by 3 to Indiana!?
“The minute we stop expecting greatness from our football program, we become Wisconsin.” Craig Krenzel
Silver Bullets shooting blanks.
Gordon Gee's signature is on my diploma. I'm proud of that. Class of 2008
52-49*
Indomitable in victory, insufferable in defeat.
Terrible performance. Giving up 49 to the Hoosiers? Pathetic. The pizza boy was right.
If this keeps up, I might soon be tipping Fickell for delivering me a large pepperoni.
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
My goodness.
awful awful awful. im sorry but its time to show fickell the door. this is not OSU defense
born and raised in Cleveland
We are a PAC team now. This is what it feels like.
Fickell...out?
I'm glad we're 7-0, but man. Sure doesn't feel like we just won.
I don't want to get dumped on for saying this, but I am thoroughly disgusted by our defense. Even if by a miracle we won the AP national championship, I would not feel any type of victory knowing how poor our defense is. I am a firm believer that defense wins championships. I know all of the hard corps, koolaid drinking Buckeye faithful's out there will call me spoiled or some other adjective to deflect my concerns for this team but I don't want our team to be perceived as a Oregon or West Virginia. Nobody takes them seriously when discussing national championship contenders.
Is it the youth or is it the coaching?
I can't figure it out. Early in the year I thought it was a scheme change, then I thought conservative defensive playcalling, then just that our weaknesses were very specific and teams had honed in what to do against us, then that our linebackers and safeties are just awful. Maybe all that is true or none of it. I've given up trying to figure it out. It is what it is.
Our offense can be special if it starts to consistently have the kind of drives it can and the B1g is bad, so we may go undefeated. Even if we're undefeated though, I don't think you have to worry about an AP championship. Not gonna happen with the points we give up.
Whatever the deal is with the D, something clearly has to change for next year. I really like Fickel and Vrabel, but maybe they have to go. Not sure why Withers is on our team. I watched UNC give up about a billion points in a bowl game when he was coaching there. Might be time for all new coaches.
The last defensive coach Urbz will or should give up is the one who coaches like his hair is on fire (and we all know who that is!)
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
I'm just glad they won. Do better in the next one boys!
You can kill a fly with your slipper or a cannon. Either way, the fly dies. -Ramzy
Step away from the ledge everyone.
Lucky play by Stoner...7-0
This defense is far far worse than I thought
Is it a coincidence that the side of the ball where URBAN cleaned house and took over looks like a FREAKING DEATH STAR COMING OPERATIONAL but the side that retained Tressel hires looks like swiss cheese?
How much more leeway are we going to give Fick?
Lets all hope that the offense can start faster and keep it up whole game, rendering our appoints offense much more predictable. That would help our d.
As a Michigan fan, I find it delightful that OSU will soon be 11 - 0. With a perfect record, you can't do anything about Fickell. And your defense absolutely sucks. Now that he has a couple decent receivers and a decent OL, Denard is going to eat Ohio's lunch. And with a final record of 11 - 1, and no bowl game, it will still be close to impossible for you to can Fickell.
After the torture of defense under RR, I can tell you that Michigan fans are enthralled with Greg Mattison. The former DC of the Baltimore Ravens is the real deal.
And what is really crazy, Michigan's defense is being built with Ohio players that Ohio State didn't want. Given Ohio State's LB woes, it is especially delicious to see four Michigan LB recruits hailing from Ohio.
Comparing RichRod to Urban. lol Next you'll say Hoke is on Tressel's level.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Not comparing RR to UFM.
I'm comparing Fickell to Mattison (who, FTR, did D under UFM at Florida.)
Also, FTR, I'm happy with Hoke. We like a defensive minded HC.
Please come back after we eat your lunch. The fact that you dimwits feel confident now is just going to make it sweeter.
#fistpumpgobuckeyes
If greg mattison and the crap-shigan defense is soooo good, then why did 'bama beat you guys so bad? why couldnt you stop ND's crappy offense? give me a break!
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
Too Funny...your team finally plays a good game and now we're in trouble bc we didn't. I'm going to tell you the same thing I do my TTUN buddies that are from Ohio too. OSU will beat TTUN and I don't care if the score is 55-54...as long as we win and you guys can realize you should have lost last year which I do believe would make it 11-1 in the last 12 years...I'd say that's basic DOMINATION for the last decade. Anything else????
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I think Fickell AND Withers need to get it together or they will be gone FAST.
Could be withers, could be fickell. Could be we don't have any linebackers. It's a (slightly) different result if Sabino is healthy.
Nightmare win.
**Wait... we've got a really late flag. Unnecessary roughness on everyone, Indiana gets the ball at the one yard line for another shot to score. Because, why the hell not. First down.
Jim
Heacock.
Paul Haynes will be free after this season. Get the entire damn band back together. This is horses--t.
The North remembers.
Haynes has not looked good at Arkansas.
He was a great safeties coach. Out of his depth as a defensive coordinator. Hey, we know what that's like, don't we?
The North remembers.
Heacock is not the recruiter urban wants.
The recruiters Urban wants just gave up more points to Indiana than anyone in the entire history of the program.
The North remembers.
Yea. No arguement there. Just that heacock does not fit the mold of what urban wants. The answer is somewhere else. But who knows? I would prefer heacock to withers.
Yeah. Well, at this point, I couldn't care less about recruiting. We had regular top ten defenses starting nothingburger recruits like James Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, and Kurt Coleman. Now we're recruiting five stars and getting half a hundred dropped on us by a 2-4 team. We shouldn't be striving to be Oregon or Oklahoma State.
The North remembers.
Good luck firing someone after an 11 - 1 season. You're stuck with Fickell, at least one more year. Giving Mattison that much more time to beef up things in Ann Arbor, with more recruits out of Ohio.
Curious...are you going to be so enthused about Hoke and your great defense if you lose to MSU at home this week (again)? Just wondering. Please post your thoughts here if/ when that happens. Thanks!
I'd be happy to post again, win or lose. Several factors will help Michigan this year.
I do believe that Michigan is at least a year away from having the recruits on hand that Hoke, Mattison, and Borges want.
That defense didnt look so tough against Alabama....lol
Take it easy on him SPRESTON, he can't handle the truth. Typical Michiscum, facts don't ever seem to matter.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Again, why does this comment have so many downvotes? It's polite and well reasoned. Just because you don't agree with it does not mean you downvote it.
Because people won't follow the guidelines on voting. I gave him an upvote to counter all the bad ones, but I am only one man.
MMan and Rational, can't you keep the rest of your kind in line?
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes
There should have been seven or eight pass interceptions. It just looked like OSU lacked focus throughout the game.
That's going to be the score in the basketball game at IU on March 5th
-The Aristocrats!
Lets bring back heacock!! Fickell is not cutting it!!!
Purple Raider
Bad and sloppy play combined with questionable refs is not a good mix.
Should have been an 18 point win (Indiana converted two 3rd downs and one 4th down on that second-to-last scoring drive), but the refs definitely helped out the Hoosiers all through the game.
Agreed. We didn't have any calls go our way.
You are forgetting 30 yard double penalty too.
Can't blame the refs, blame stupid players. Another game with 10 penalties.
I dunno. It sure seemed like several questionable calls went Indiana's way. It seemed to me early on that the refs were doing everything to keep Indiana in the game. And one of the idiots on BTN was so abviously pulling for IU, I wanted to reach through the screen and grab him by the throat. You're supposed to at least try to be unbiased.
The onside kick should not have gone to Indiana, not to mention a couple of other plays. The play El Guapo ran for a long TD was in fact a TD, but the refs sided with IU, again. Thankfully, El Guapo did it on his next try from the 1 yard line.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
Folks, Shazier has as many bad plays at linebacker as anyone. He constantly over runs plays taking himself out of position. On most of the long TD plays by IU,he could have at least made a few tackles on some of those plays. I never hear him called out but he obviously has problems as well. Sorry for those that love him but damn.
There is no need to apologize for calling out a player who is underperforming. I don't understand the sensitivity around here for demanding better from those who have the potential. We all know the talent on this team shouldn't give up 49 points to Indiana under any circumstances, but they did, and that's not acceptable. This team should be judged by more than its record, it should be judged by its improvement, effort, and execution. There is more to this story than 7-0 and I am disappointed in what it could mean for the remainder of this season and for next season. It is dangerous to just see that goose egg in the L column and call it a day because this team should not be proud of its performance.
At the end of the season, if they are 12-0, is anybody going to complain?
Some might. But the point is that if they play this badly in any of our last 5 games (OK, except Illinois; our second team could beat them), 12-0 won't be happening.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
My point is this year is a wash as they aren't eligible for the postseason, I have said for some time that Sandler needs to go and I'm not sure Vrable if really a coach we can afford to have on staff. We need somebody that can take charge of the LB's and coach em' up. These guys are both "Buckeyes" but not what UFM is looking for in his plan.
Yes I would still want a defensive coaching change by next year...
So generous of you "Blucinic" to give the Buckeyes wins the rest of the way, except a loss to the Michelin Crapperines.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
Some of the most talented players on D are also the youngest as well as the ones who screw up the most fundamentally. Not much of a surprise! Maybe, hopefully thats the case and not the defensive coaching.
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
I concur.
The South will NOT rise again!
Fickell coaches the linebackers too
Then Fick needs to go too. I can't place all the blame on the coaches, you need really good ATHELETES to stop a spread offense, we ain't got em' on "D".
Top ten offense yes, but this d needs to really get better at tackling. Don't help the lbs are so thin that born has to play.
This is how WVU feels, only we're still undefeated.
We won by 18 then Indiana fluked 2 garbage time td's....
we also had a punt blocked again and have been forced to play zach boren at lb. the problems are execution not scheme. Bryant still takes bad angles and Barnett did not have a good first game back. At the same time other than the last couple mins, Indiana is a pretty good offense and not sure our expectations are in line with our ability in the back seven.
BINGO
TWO frosh QBs ate the D alive.
Fickle can't scheme and Vrable might ave been a great player but he isn't a COACH.
Seriously? Scapegoat hunting if you think the d line coaching is the problem. And the scheme is fine shown by all the 3 and outs and then shazier or Bryant or Barnett or Johnson or grant lets up a huge play on third down.... Same stuff those guys did last year. We have depth problems.
ehhhhhhh please no buckeyes should be given out not a buckeye performance
that's unfair to the offense which more than did their part ...
On defense maybe, matti.
I think El Guapo and Braxton both had good games.
Still WAY too many dropped balls from the receiving corps. Why can't these guys catch the friggin ball, consistantly?
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
There's a reason a lot of our defensive backs are 'playing D' no hands whatsoever. Dropped 2 consecutive picks and at least 5 good chances at one.
We may start to see Withers get more control of the D.
Everyone relax we won and were 7-0
Giving up 49 points and winning feels like a loss. It was an atrocious performance, it's impossible to relax after this
Lol your probably one of those fans who are happy when we go 11-1, make it to a bowl game, and then lose. You look back at the season and say hey we were 11-2 thats solid! I expect more from my Buckeyes. Being 7-0 is great but the way our defense has looked its like passing a test with a D-. Sure you passed but man do you need to hit the books more....
Easy. I am in no way happy with the defense but people are overreacting.
I really dont we're overreacting simply because these same problems on defense keep getting worse. Something has to change and im pretty sure Urb regrets the fact that he kept Fick onboard...
Well when you D gets decimated by injuries, of course it'll get worse.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
The defense was terrible BEFORE the injuries! Dont try to make excuses for the lack of defense thats been played. Just man up and own the fact that something is not working wheter its talent, coaching, or both!
This is the WORST Ohio State defense I have ever seen. If I'm Meyer, I meet with Vrabel, Fickel and Coombs first thing on Sunday morning and read them the riot act. If the defense continues playing this lousy, they're jobs won't be theirs next year. This is first-year grad assistant quality defense we are seeing. The defense must get better next week and for the rest of the season or else we will likely see a 9-3 season. The losses: Penn State, Wisky and TSUN. Yes, Denard must be going nuts waiting for the final game of the regular season where he will put at least 42 points on the board against the miserable Buckeyes defense. Mattison will find a way to stop Brax and OSU will be embarrassed royally. I don't care if Fick and Vrabel are former great players for OSU, they can't coach. And Coombs is just as bad. His secondary is a joke! Indiana should never, ever, score 49 points on the Buckeyes. I also hope the polls drop OSU to 14 or 15. After this fiasco of a win, they deserve a much lower ranking. Sorry if I've offended any OSU alums out there.
Why does everybody forget Withers is co-defensive coordinator?
Especially when he's the one who put out the gem of "we only gave up 15 points, that's all I care about" after the UAB game
The Co part is why. Urban made it clear that Fick is in charge.
My bad on that one. He's just as guilty of the bad defense as the other coaches.
Indiana scored 34 legit points on the defense then the nonsense at the end when the game was over happened.... But go ahead and revise history.
Ohio State is not going to lose to Penn State or Wisconsin. But Michigan is going to eat your lunch. The delicious thing, for a Michigan fan? It is going to be awfully hard for Ohio to get rid of defensive coaches, especially Fickell, after an 11 - 1 record. You are stuck with your defense for at least another year, and Mattison is sitting still. Feel the pain of Michigan fans when we had RR and absolutely no D.
Last year was our worst year in decades. We had a head coach who has no business even being a coordinator. A true freshman quarterback in a bland offensive system and absolutely no coaching. Against you, he overthrew three wide-open touchdowns that he easily completes this year.
And yet, you only beat us by three points. At home. In our worst year in DECADES. Go ahead, talk smack, but don't forget your place as our perennial b*tch.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Honest questions:
I really don't want to talk smack, but I think this will be much more of a challenge for Ohio State. And I can't understand how Indiana scored 49 against you tonight.
@ thebadowl: Wish I could upvote 10x
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
I can't wait to read Ross's article this week.
"Everyone relax we're 6-0."
-WVU, prior to the TT game
This.
The North remembers.
Very well said! Everybody wants to relax and smile because we won the game! Screw that we have MAJOR problems that need to be fixed! Now is not the time to be poking out our chest and pointing at our record!
You said it even better. To be satisfied with this 7-0 is to be satisfied with "good enough" instead of the best we can be. It's immature.
I would say it's immature to constantly whine when the team keeps winning.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Screw WVU
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I can't believe I just saw that with my own eyes... Wow...
I am kinda feeling the same way.
this thing was 4 hours of ehhhhhhh other thing can the buckeyes just play nightgames against godd teams this sucked felt like a noon game vs uab also no more big ten network please a man can only watch so many state farm and case ih commerials
A win's a win. I guess.
Because we couldn't go for three.
I can't fault these guys for not being good. There just not good, and you can only coach a player so much. What ticks me off is a lack of intensity and the fact that they're running around like chickens without any heads or hearts.
Fickell has co-coached the D for serveral years and they have been outstanding. Anyone faults him for last years' D clearly has his own head up his ass since he was heading the squade and Heacock was coaching the D like he had been when we were great on D. If you're going fault the Head Coach last year, then you damn well better do it this year.
So it seems to me it's a personel thing. We DON'T have the players PERIOD. We need to get this through our thick skulls. We DO NOT have the Defensive talent that we need. And just like the Offense needs to adjust to a new system, so do they.
So quit talking like a bunch of women straight from emotion.
Everyone understands this & it's not about just how many points we give up on a given night, but it's the lack of improvement. Just when we thought maybe they turned a corner, something like this happens. I think if we slowly get better over the course of a season, people will be patient with an inherently leaky D. But when it gets WORSE, CLEARLY, then why shouldn't we panic?
How many players were we missing tonight guys? How can you expect improvement with a depleated LB core and one and a half DBs that have any talent?
How can we expect any improvement from a Head Coach who has consistently refused to remove the starting QB when we have a comfortable lead? Hell even Indiana changed their QB at the end and it helped them.
Again, our second string D should hold Indiana under 30 points.
I don't agree with this. This is a vastly improved Indiana team, playing with a chip on their shoulders, at night, at home, making Ohio State stay at a Howard's Inn 20 miles from the stadium.
Lol improved?? Yeah ok, at the end of the day they are 2-4 and its Indiana for crying out loud!! We will let you rant about keeping the coaches. The big difference is last year the whole team stunk and it was clear that Fickell was in over his head! No way can you say that about Urb! He's a top 3 coach so we would be insane to fault Urb! Not saying he doesnt share some of the blame because he is the HC but last I checked he doesnt run the D at all....
OUr linebackers and safeties are weak, but there are multiple players on the D-line that will be playing on Sundays, and both Roby and Howard (yes, Howard) will be playing on Sundays too.
We have quite a bit of talent, but we do have weaknesses at LB and Safety.
It isn't the players, or at least not JUST the players. We have more talent on D than all but maybe 20 teams in the country. Something is wrong with our scheme, playcalling, or coaching emphasis.
What is it that our offense is doing that's so special? I think I've seen a matter of five of the same plays all year. Had we had any less talent on the O we'd have a lest two losses this year.
I don't see the talent on the Defensive side of the ball, unless by talent you mean potential. And you can't win on potential.
The point is you don't see the talent on D because of the coaching and scheme.
As far as the offense, I'm not sure how you can ask that question. Do you believe that it is typical to score the number of points our offense is scoring?
With our talent on offense yes. I think we'd score similar amount of points playing Tresselball (I see a lot of similarities with this offense to the one in 2006).
So you're saying that Indiana exploiting the exact spots where we're injured is due to scheming? Should we have recruited a few players for this game to replaced the injured, or called some up from the minors?
The players aren't out of postion, they're not executing. They don't want it. Some of that is due to coaching, but if you can't get yourself up for a game ain't no second party going to.
2006 Offense aka the Greatest Offense Of the Tressel Era scored over 50 exactly once. FWIW.
You seem to have a highly selective lens on things. The Defense gets all the excuses in the world (injuries, on the road, no talent, etc) but the offense gets absolutely zero credit for lighting the scoreboard on FIRE in ways unseen before around this part of the country. What Urban has done with the EXACT SAME CORE group of offensive players that struggled to complete ONE ENTIRE PASS last year vs Illinois is nothing short of VOODOO and WIZARDRY if you ask me. C'mon dude.
I agree, majority of the same players from last year and LIGHTING IT UP!!!
Yeah he seems stuck on defending the defense and its coaches. This swiss cheese zone defense failed to stop Indiana!!
And with Braxton, I would argue that we have a bit of a different dimension and not to mention a completely different offensive mindset. I said it reminds me, I didn't say we had the exact replica. We're talking about comparing a coach that never went on 4 downs and kicked FGs when he could to the exact opposite.
Why does Urban get credit for the offensive "wizardry" but none of the blame for the lack of Defense?
I never saw this free ride for Fickell last year as head coach, nor Tressel for that matter.
Because he doesnt call the defense! He has implemented his zone-read offense but he leaves the defense to the coordinators.
"he has implemented his zone read offense" or he brought it with him from Florida while Herman implements it? I mean it's a scheme for crying out loud. Braxton stands back, and claps his hands while the center calls. Whooopie! It scores a lot of points. That's good don't get me wrong.
And as head coach he has no say or nothing "of his" vested in the defense.
C'mon guys. Let's not be Urban junkies just because the guys is a PR genius ... I mean don't get me wrong I'm glad he's here.
Umm no Urban and Herman have worked together to install the current offense. And Urban is a PR genius?? Are you somehow saying Urb is overrated or something?? If the offense is so simple then why does it put up so many points?? If its just Braxton clapping his hands then why cant teams seem to stop it?? Give me a break buddy you will never win this arguement. Urb has a team exploding on offense that struggled complete a single pass last year! If Urban had his hand in the defense and that was his specialty we would give him some grief but he also has a helluva resume that shows he knows how to win. What has Fickell shown us?? Nothing!!!
Yep. Urband and Herman worked together, while Fickell and Vrabel live on an Island with the D. Meyer has no idea about Defensive scheming and the like.
Urban overraded, absolutely not. Not the superman we make him out to be and bit teflon with the help of the media. Just a tad. But that's ok ... I quite enjoyed the ESPN propagan..er uh documentary, and all that "bringing the juice."
Besides, Urban coaches the Special Teams - man have they been lighting it up! That's Fick's fault as well.
LB and Safeties are weak? Forget about the D-line? How many sacks today? More huge rushes. Big plays all over the D. Gave up big plays on ST also.
embarrassing that 3 people gave that a +1
Have you read some of the comments? The 3 +1's are the embarrassment?
Pretty sure degrading women, or any other group of people, is going to be the real embarrassment in any situation.
Degrading women? Women don't act on emotion? I was actually taught and explained this by women.
Grow some stones, wouldja? ;)
Whatup, antiquated, misogynistic belief system!
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Wait, don't tell me - some of your best friends are black, right?
Casual misogyny, like casual racism, is Not Okay. And definitely not appropriate for this venue.
Political correctness is not OK either. Casual misogyny, casual racism? WTF kind of BS is that? I don't think he was "degrading" women.
Here's a shocking statement: There are differences between men and women. Who knew?
edit: I guess I hurt somebody's feeewings. :( sad face.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
Again thanks! Come right out with it. A nonsensical claim and then an even more irrational comparision to racism - add the Women's Ed 101 qualifier "casual" and you surely don't get an emotional response.
Good luck with everything.
I think Woody would say, "There isn't room for feminism on a football team. This is not a girl's game."
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
Wow. I can't believe this is my first comment on an 11W board, but, man, that's one of the most misogynistic things I've read on this site in a long time.
Yes, we're thin at most defensive positions. Yes, we're playing a host of freshmen in a new defensive scheme. But when INDIANA - a perennial bottom-feeder in the second-worst conferences (Sorry, B1G) in the country - lights up your D for 49, you're talking about more than injuries. You're talking about a defense that came in unprepared and undercoached. The defense looked solid against MSU and managed to stanch the bleeding against Nebraska. I don't care if we're playing our student trainers in the secondary - we should have no trouble against IU.
Misogynistic. Wow big words. But reading your posts, the proof is in the pudding. Thanks!
I find it interesting that male commentators can complain about how dispirited and underwhelming the defense looked and not be called "emotional."
Our defense needs work. I didn't say Fickell and Withers should be fired - now that's an emotional response. I said the defense looked undercoached because they gave up a shit-ton of points to a middling team. Yes, we're dealing with injuries, and yes, we're playing freshmen (and a fullback at LB), but the level of raw talent on this team is such that we should be able to at least somewhat contain an opponent like IU.
I just feel like our defense gave up at the end of the game
This I can agree with.
But then I again, I felt that no one had their head in the game, including Meyer.
Never thought I would see a time when the Buckeye O has to out score teams cause the D can't stop anyone.
Kevin
OH!!!!!
Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University
Denard is gonna eat this defense up if something doesn't get fixed....
And I'm going to break every TV in my house watching him doing that spoonfeeding crap he does.
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
Your drawing doesnt look anything like shaggy bub! (damn, i just acknowleged he looks like shaggy)
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
It's a play off the feels bad man meme.
Lol he does it in reference to "eat em up" Lol spoonfeeding...
I hate to imagine how many pts. scUM is gonna get on our D.
Glad for the win. Indiana did a great job of exploiting Ohio State's weakness. The long runs went right where Sabino would be. Catches across the middle, where OSU is not strong at middle linebacker. The only really bad plays on the outside were while Howard was out. The Silver Bullets are razor thin at linebacker and thin in the secondary. It looks like Boren has potential at linebacker, but he needs more practice reps and full induction into the scheme. Thought the line got some pressure, and the secondary did a pretty good job, but it was a tough night for the linebackers, and I don't think there is a fix for that this year. If Smith had caught those two touchdown passes, this was a double digit win. It was also obvious that none of the close calls were going to go OSUs way tonight.
"It is foolish to expect a young man to follow your advice and ignore your example." --Don Meyer Hall of Fame NAIA Basketball Coach
Finally someone with some sense and reality.
This defense plays better with Howard Island.
All of you were saying I was crazy for naming him my midseason MVP, but tonight was enough proof for me!
/Duff'd It
Absolutely agree. Howard has been overlooked by a lot of people, and he gets picked on when people are trying to avoid Roby.
"It is foolish to expect a young man to follow your advice and ignore your example." --Don Meyer Hall of Fame NAIA Basketball Coach
I don't think OSU has the players on defense. The ones who are good enough are just to young.
I think the moment that epitomized what pisses me off so much was the OSU players just standing there on the onsides kick as Indiana recovered it.
We've choked bigger leads than 11 this year, and yet they're acting like the win is already secured
The defensive coaching sucks, and the players just aren't very good either. We need some really strong defensive recruiting classes over the next few years if we want to fix this
Yes, I was far more frustrated with the defensive players' efforts than anything else. I could almost imagine the whole defensive team not getting to eat the victory dinner, and having to practice instead.
This year is so bizzare....when's the last time we really felt good about our offense winning a game and cringed when the D is on the field. Its like feast or famine with our D. They are either intercepting passes, and sacking quarterbacks.....or.....they are missing assignments and tackles. Very undisciplined play. Coach did not look happy at all.
Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.
Can not wait for Ross' defensive breakdown. But, man, does he have his work cut out for him. As do the coaches.
It's too late at night to worry about it...
- Good beer? Check!
- Buckeyes win? Check!
- More good beer? Check!
- Pretty ladies (and guys for the ladies)? Check!
It's a win for everyone!
Go Bucks!
It's gone from sharks to piranhas to agrivated guppies. Sad.
Not sure I agree. Our kickoff/punt coverage unit seemed to do rather well overall. THEY are the piranhas.
I absolutely agree. I love their scheming of kicking it to the goal line, and trying to make them get to the 25 yard line. I'm sure by doing that, they gain an extra 4 yards or so of field position, assuming the average start is at the 21. I love the aggressiveness, and feel the piranhas are living up to their name. Instead of watching every other team kick into the endzone and get touchbacks, watching the Buckeyes on kickoffs is rather exciting.
We have no linebackers. Chill out people.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I have to imagine Devin Smith is slightly relieved that with everyone talking about how bad our defense is, his drops have been almost overlooked.
Especially when the defense had more dropped interceptions than your dropped passes
Had he had 0 drops, we might have broken 63 tonight.
/Duff'd It
Thank goodness we don't have to play in a bowl game this season. I don't even want to think about how many points Oregon, Oklahoma or whatever other teams would score on us.
I agree. We are the most overvalued team, ranking-wise, in the country. If we could get our defense of old, we would be unstoppable.
I was just saying this very same thing to my girlfriend!! Man im glad we cant go bowling this year! We would seriously get steam rolled!
I understand why everyone is talking about the Defense but tOSU left 17pts on the field, missed FG and two dropped TD passes by D. Smith
It doesn't matter if we scored 100 points. There is no way we should've given up 49 points to IU. One bad bounce on that last onside kick, and they easily could've scored to beat us. Our defense blowwwwwwzzzzz! I do not want to become Texas Tech. Actually, we've started to become like Indiana - high powered offense with no D.
Don't forget that "head up his ass, WTF was I thinking" INT. in the end zone.
I stand corrected, make that 24pts (lmao, that's kind of ridiculous to say out loud considering we still put 52 on the board). Good call BIGBILL992001!
I'm gonna touch on the same points mentioned because we all see them:
Offense, and to a degree, special-teams are not the problem. Defense is where we're getting hosed by any team with a pulse. My kingdom for a healthy, technically sound LB corps...And the injury bug is really gutting our secondary too. Grant looked so lost.
Denard is already thinking about how many times he's going to do the "eating cereal" thing against us. 7-0 never felt so dirty. I'll relax in a few days, and my hyperbole will subside, but right now? Nope. The defense needs an enema.
I can't wait for Ross to try and explain the DERP I just saw, if anyone can break it down so I can wrap my head around this defensive performance he can. Right now I feel like a 3 year old who was handed a theoretical physics exam. My beer even tastes weird.
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
Notice, he is only pretending to eat cereal. Hoke already ate all of the real cereal.
It's one o'clock in the morning. We managed to survive a close game (that shouldn't have been so close). Let's have our Victory Meal (beer?), and then worry about what needs to be done.
Okay :(
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
Lol wow guys youve never seen anybody do what Denard does?? Its not eating cereal it stands for "eat em up". Lol geesh....
Lol, nope never saw it before he did it last year, The Game wasn't the first time, it was when they were playing somebody else prior to that. It could mean "Admiral-Commodore Needs Vegan Soup" and I'd still be just as annoyed.
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
From ESPN:
Cereal, Golden Corral Buffet, whichever... The program has been starving for an obvious reason:
F5: Do you find it ironic that Michigan's LB corps is largely being built with guys Ohio didn't want? To wit,
Jake Ryan, LB from Ignatius in Cleveland.
Ben Gedeon, LB, Hudson.
Mike McCray, LB, Trotwood.
Michael Ferns, LB, St. Clairesville.
Maybe Ohio State is recruiting nationally, but Michigan fans are completely happy with the linebackers coming out of Ohio. And they have a chip on their shoulder, since they weren't "good enough" for Ohio State.
Alabama was completely happy with your scUM linebackers too!
Three of those four guys aren't even enrolled yet.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
I don't like feeding trolls, but
You keep harping on all of the kids from Ohio that are playing and will be playing for the Sun and Bloo. Every team in the B1G, maybe minus PSU and Wisconsin, maybe Nebraska, is loaded with kids from Ohio. And all the MAC teams, who put out a few good players now and then that make it to the NFL, are loaded with kids from Ohio. And, Notre Dame is loaded with loaded with kids from Ohio, too.
You just now realized that Ohio is the hotbed of high school football? How old are you BLUCINIC? 12?
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
Expected us to struggle at LB, but not along the front four. This is really bad. I like Vrable's fire and clearly he's a great, great player and Buckeye, but for the second year in a row LB talent has not really been developed. In spite of lack of depth, we should not need Zach Boren to bail out the linebackers.
As for the DL, lack of pressure has to get fixed. Early in the season, we jump-started it with blitz packages. With LBs this depleted, not sure that can do it this time.
As for the secondary, I tip my hat to them. There were several plays where they tackled poorly, but a lot of the night they were charged with the task of covering receivers for over 7 seconds. I think the strategy of playing off your man and giving them room and then breaking on the ball brought a lot of incompletions tonight.
My hope is trusting that John Simon and others took tonight personally and will respond. I am confident that Simon will have this DL looking mad as hell the next couple of weeks.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
I really don't think our front 4 was that much of a problem - they did give up one big run. When the QB is getting rid of the ball in 3-4 seconds 75% of the time, it's hard to get to him. We need to be physical with the wideouts at the line of scrimmage, instead of just allowing them easy 7 yard outs and slants untouched.
Yeah, I'd not bother to post that "all I do is win" video. When Ohio State has arguably the most embarrassing defensive output in team history, it really doesn't matter if they put up 50 on a putrid defense.
The anger sprinkled on our D is justified, but I (even if I get a million -points) have to point out that every single 50/50 call went to IU and none went to OSU. Cases in point: the first down pass that went against us, the double personal fouls against us, the onside kick that went to IU, continue...
This was the worst officiated game I've seen all season. I hope every one of the referees suffers terrible food poisoning and can't ruin our next game as they're busy on the toilet (where they belong).
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
I still think Urban should've kept Heacock. Indiana... wait, INDIANA scored 49 pts?! (-__-) D has been inconsistent and awful all season.
"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"
well urbz its about time to dig into the limitless pocket of tosu and bring in someone who can coach the d... as far as the recruiting goes let your 2 rings take care of that. i cant even begin to tell where all the problems are but if we are all this piss*d imagine what urban is saying!
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
In anger, I have to note:
Kevin Wilson, your insolence has been noted by Lord Meyer. We were planning on going on easy on you, but those questionable onside kicks have fanned our rage. Prepare for a 100-3 game next season at the Horseshoe.
Love, Buckeye Nation.
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
We gave up an average of about 3 points about every four minutes tonight
The North remembers.
LIKE x 10
Come on, man, nothing questionable about those onside kicks. They were a bad bounce away, on that last onside kick, from beating us.
After taking a few minutes to digest what I just saw...
Listen people....Right now we are bitching about ugly wins instead of ugly loses.
Our defense has no depth and we are so thin that we are playing our starting fullback at linebacker.
Urban Meyer has come in here and taken this dumpster fire to 7-0. We know we aren't ready for the big boys yet. This team is just not very good. Yet because we have a great head coach we may possibly go undefeated with a team Fickle only won 6 games with last year.
Meyer has a plan and he knows what he is doing. Trust the man. He will get it done. It is hard to motivate a team that has nothing to play for and he is doing it...
It is going to take another year or two to get the depth to compete for a national championship. We will be ready to make a championship run by Braxton's senior year. We will beat Michigan. We will go to a quality bowl game next year and probably win.
I say play the freshmen LBs along with Shazier. could it get any worse?
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
Two freshmen, just on defense, screwed up royally: Cameron Williams and the kid, can't remember his name, that substituted for Travis Howard when he got hurt.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
Never expected to give up that many points. scUM will have a field day if we don't adjust to the spread quick. But man is our offense electric?!?!?
also, that was one hell of a terribly officiated game.
the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS
Hey, "a win's a win." Yeah, right. I think that Ohio will be 10 - 0 in a few weeks, with impressive shootout wins over Purdue, Penn State, and Illinois. And will then be 11 - 0 after stiffening up and beating Wisconsin. And that's when the fun will begin.
I cannot tell you how much I am looking forward to the Michigan game. I am anticipating an exciting visit to the horseshoe, and I'm not an Ohio fan. Neither Michigann OC Borges nor DC Mattison will have to show any wrinkles to win out for Michigan over their next five games, setting up the game between 11 - 0 Ohio and 9 - 2 Michigan. Ohio will be ranked higher, will have a perfect record, will have a freshman QB with gaudy stats, will be playing at home, and this will be their "bowl" game. Can't lose, right?
Like I said, I'm a Michigan fan who is really, really, looking forward to the classic game this year. I'm glad for a return of Michigan and Ohio to their rightful place at the top of the Big 10 Conference. Oh, and given how Michigan's defense is playing, and their offense, unless something changes in Columbus, I see Ohio getting killed. Aren't you looking forward to seeing Ignatius alumni Jake Ryan come to the Horseshoe? I know he's ready to come home to Ohio for a fun visit.
The Bobcats still are undefeated.
Class of 2010.
'Braska should have kept Solich.
I will be here to post 4 paragraphs of me laughing at you if Michigan loses. You went out of your way to come here and make an account to try and hype a team who hasn't had a defense in almost a decade. Get the fugg outa here clown.
Ya know, you're right about a couple of things. We won't really know until they play the game, and I really am looking forward to it. And you're right that Michigan hasn't had a defense in a long time. (Has it been a decade? Shudder.) But here's the thing. RR is gone, and both Hoke and Mattison are defensive minded coaches. I will completely grant that Michigan isn't there yet. They just aren't.
But you know what? I'm happy whether Michigan wins or loses this year. You know why? Our defense is rapidly getting better. Mattison knows what he's doing, and is recruiting guys who want to play for him. If Michigan wins this year, largely with recruits from the RR era, that's both an indictment of the terrible defensive coaching under the RR regime, and also praise for the great job Mattison and his position coaches are doing with defense.
The other thing I'm happy about? Whether Ohio goes 11 - 1 or 12 - 0, you are stuck with your defensive coaching staff, and it isn't good. And that isn't trolling, that's the truth.
No you are definitely a troll. You can tell by all the down votes on the dozen or so posts you have had here TROLLING. You have spent your time telling us how your team will pound OSU and how OSU cannot recruit but scUM can and it's our home state boys scUM is recruiting to beat OSU. Typical scUM fan. No you're not trolling.......This is an OSU site.
Don't worry about the #TROLL, guys. It'll be great fun when little bro Sparty punks their FRAUD of a team next week.
Everytime I look at this, I smile: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=322450333
...And Braxton's a sophmore.
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *stops to breathe* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"There is a force that makes us all brothers, no one goes his way alone." --Woody Hayes
ROLL TIDE!
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
@BLUCINIC "And that's when the fun will begin." The fun has already started! The Buckeyes are a perfect 7-0 on the year and Michiscum still sucks with 2 losses. Now thats fun times. Your on here babbling about how your really, really looking forward to the game this year. I'm sure you chat up your pals about how scUM will prevail again. But late at night, when your hugging your Brady Choke autographed buffet plate and staring at your Desmond poster, those same old scary feelings creep in like the boogey man. "We can't stop Braxton." "Urban Meyer." "What if their D is healthy." "Could John Simon snap shoelace boy like a twig." "We've only won twice since 2000." Reality sets in, and you find that it's a really bad place to be a scUM fan.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
No shit? I'm glad you said that, because I would have never figured it out.
"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." Charlton Heston(1924-2008)
If it hasn't been established by now, the OSU coaches need to chalk this up as another lost defensive season and go from here on out as focusing on an all-out offensive assault on the remaining opponents until, of course THE GAME ,when all records and previous strategic tendencies go out the door. the offense by far has been the strength of this team and without it being this good, we would'nt have won half the games this year. Time to morph into a Big-12 team and try to out-gun the rest of the opposition.
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
I really don't know how to describe the 2012 buckeyes. On offense we are unstoppable, but sadly,only because we play in the big ten. Our offense has put up a lot of points but I still feel like we only have 1 playmaker. Braxton is a great runner, a slowly improving passer, and an all around a great problem to have. Our defense use to be a bend but but don't break defense, which I hated, and is now a bust but don't lose unit, which I hate even more. I honestly hate to be negative on reviews but I view it like this, our offense was pathetic last year. We could not score points, we didn't run well, and we didn't throw well. This year we have seen an offensive resurgence without many,or any, 1st round draft picks on the roster. But on the defensive side, we have at least 2 first round draft picks and many complimentary players who will be drafted. Yet the defensive side has been a been a glaring weakness. So how does the offensive side improve while the defense does not? I believe the honest answer is coaching. I don't think you should replace coaches after going 7-0, but it would be nice to see a defensive identity. It would be nice to see a defense that adapts like our offense has. It would be nice to beleve that on 3rd and 11 our defense has an advantage. And yet I still don't know how to define our 2012 buckeyes, because so far we have been the perfect problem.
Its an overall young defense (& offense for that matter) in an upset environment & they pulled it out. Go bucks...
I have the Solution......Bring in Tressel as a "D" coordinator...Might have to disguise him by removing his vest....no one will notice.
Quite unsavory.
Just about everything has been said so I won't rehash the negatives but what about scheme?
Corners are always playing 7-10 yards off, no contact at the line and giving up dink passes, (especially over the middle where lbs are weak) which turn into huge plays due to poor tackling/bad angles. The other thing that bothers me is an utter lack of pressure. Too few blitzes (i don't recall any last night) or disguised coverage. I know, personnel is weak, but that's when scheme can really help. I'm not really an x and o guy, but I think out defensive game plan was terrible from a scheme and play calling standpoint, similar to Cal and UAB games.
Wonder what that bus ride home was like. Like most of us, Urbs was not happy.
We are actually playing a different scheme now. It is more aggressive and gives up more big plays along with some three and outs.
This was an ugly win, but hey, it's a win. Last I checked we're still unbeaten right??? Unlike TTUN;-)
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Indiana is better on offense than Michigan state by a mile. You are blind if you don't realize that. They throw the ball better than anyone we have played this year. They are one of the worst defenses in the country. Last night was not a ton worse defensively than vs Nebraska. Other than the nonsense in the last couple minutes.
Sounds like we need a group yoga session.
Wow - this thread is crawling with angry. Kinda like that slime in Ghostbusters. Hey Blucinic - you're doing a heck of a job representing fans of your team...keep up the good work!!! "Greg Mattison rules bla bla bla, Ohio sucks babble babble, we're recruiting Ohio better than you blipity blaplity" All very original, super intelligent stuff man! Thanks for making me feel better today....
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I'm getting tired of the butthurt on this post. Our team is 7-0 and are looking like a team that is still learning their schemes under a new coaching staff. Stop the whining and let's support this team instead of attacking each other.
-The Aristocrats!