Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick

By Kyle Rowland on July 12, 2012 at 10:00a
71 Comments
The Disciplinarian. 

From the moment Urban Meyer was hired, a supercharged cocktail of energy, enthusiasm and confidence went through the Ohio State locker room. From the coaches on down to walk-ons, everyone was in lockstep together.

The coaches not only salvaged a recruiting class, but flipped it from a middle of the road crop to a consensus top 5 unit. It made a mild winter in the Midwest even better. Spring practice started slowly by Meyer’s uber-high standards – the offense had trouble finding a rhythm – but the 15 practices ended with plenty of positive notes.

Since the spring game, however, Meyer has experienced his first bout of adversity in Columbus. On June 2, Jake Stoneburner and Jack Mewhort were arrested. The pair of offensive starters is not only an instrumental piece to Ohio State’s 2012 season but also is among its most valued leaders. Meyer didn’t waver, though; instead, he took immediate action, suspending the seniors and stripping their scholarships.

Nearly a month later, Jordan Hall, OSU’s most dynamic offensive player, cut his foot on a piece of glass and will likely miss the first month of the season.

Bad luck, indeed. 

But the headliner was linebacker Storm Klein’s arrest for assault and domestic violence for “violently and purposefully” grabbing an ex-girlfriend who is also the mother of his child.

Less than 24 hours after the arrest, Meyer took swift action, kicking Klein off the team. It was a move that surprised many, but Meyer has shown before that violence against women will not be tolerated in his program.

“The charges filed against Storm Klein violate the core values of the Ohio State Football Program,” Meyer said in a statement. “As a result, Storm has been removed from the team. It has been made very clear that this type of charge will result in dismissal. If there are any changes in the charges, we will re-evaluate his status.”

Some, maybe even many, will look at Ohio State and point fingers. Others will say Meyer runs a rogue program, giving the number of arrests on his watch at Florida as an example. But that would be unfair. Meyer has not created a culture of corruption inside the Ohio State locker room, and he certainly has never condoned disrespect towards women. For Meyer, that’s a zero tolerance zone. 

During Florida’s 2008 national championship season, cornerback Jacques Rickerson was arrested for felony domestic battery by strangulation. It took Meyer all of two minutes to boot him from the team. At the time, Meyer said, “Jacques Rickerson is no longer part of our team — that is not what our program is about.”

Klein's arrest did not help Ohio State or Meyer.

Instead of focusing on how a few college students have acted, the area to be highlighted is how the adult handled the decision-making process. In each instance, Meyer has evaluated the situation and served an appropriate punishment. Bobby Bowden, he is not.

Meyer admitted in November that he made some mistakes when it came to player issues at Florida. Similar to his burnout, Meyer said he would change the way he handled player misconduct. So far, he’s been on par.

To outsiders, Meyer may seem like he demands an awful lot, but staying out of trouble, especially when it comes to the law – even as a college student – shouldn’t be that difficult. Demanding discipline is nothing new in college athletics. Meyer has said a lack of discipline off the field can creep into players’ on-field performance.  

Klein is the fourth Buckeye to be dismissed in Meyer’s nearly seven months on the job, joining defensive backs Dominic Clarke and DerJuan Gambrell and running back Jaamal Berry, who were removed in January. But those circumstances were different with the outcome being little surprise.

All four situations, however unique, send a message to the team: juvenile acts will not be tolerated under any conditions. Meyer practices what he preaches. While decisions to dismiss players are hard on coaches because it can have a profound effect on a young person’s life, Meyer has a specific set of values set forward for every member of the team to follow. If any are violated, the action taken is absolute.

While unfair to Meyer’s own reputation, the acts of a few individuals also stain the good 100-plus other players helped build up. For more than a year, Ohio State has worked extremely hard at changing the program’s image. The coaches and team don’t deserve to be mentioned in a bad light.

There were murmurs circulating throughout media circles that Meyer played favorites at Florida, creating a “Circle of Trust.” A handful of former Florida players shed light on some of Meyer’s antics, though they each had an axe to grind over their own issues that transpired at Florida, bringing their credibility in question. Then several prominent former Gators came to Meyer’s defense.

Bowden was notoriously leinient.

When the issue of treating players differently arose, Meyer offered a rebuttal to his critics.

"That's probably a correct statement," he said. "We did do that. We do that here. We did it at Bowling Green and Utah. If you go to class, you're a warrior and do it the right way on and off the field, you're completely committed to helping us win, you're going to be treated really good. You're going to get nice gear. You're going to get to move off campus if you like. You get treated really good. Guys that don't go real hard and aren't committed, yeah, it's real difficult."

And if there are any missteps, you’re going to face consequences. That has rung true. It didn’t matter that Stoneburner and Mewhort are starters or that Klein is battling for a starting spot on the defense. They messed up and felt the wrath of one Mr. Meyer, just like Gambrell, who rarely saw playing time during his freshman season. Consistency has been Meyer’s forte when it comes to doling out punishments.

Meyer left the door open for Klein to return if there are changes to his case in the court of law, but even if he comes back – and it’s a big “if” – don’t expect Klein to be welcomed with open arms. He’ll face a set of guidelines that he must complete before he is fully reinstated.

Meyer wears many hats, but the role of Team Cop is not one he wishes to display. As fall camp looms less than a month away, the possibility exists that players could be involved in mischievous actions. Rest assured, Meyer will rule with an iron fist if needed.

But he’d rather sit back, relax and play the role of Good Cop, never having to worry about the local police blotter.

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hail2victors9's picture

Do you guys think Urban will be this strict if similar run-ins with the law occur in 3-4 years with his recruits?  If Spence or Bosa was arrested for a domestic dispute, would they be dismissed?  We have no reason to believe otherwise, just curious what you guys think since it was debatable in the past (by some). 

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

hodge's picture

I hope not.  I like what he's doing right now, but I was one of his biggest detractors with the way that he handled disiplinary issues at Florida.  Guys like Janoris Jenkins and some other guys got second and third chances--largely due to their talent (in my opinion).  I understand the desire to give second chances, but some things (like domestic violence) need to be zero-tolerance.  It seems like he's said (and done) all the right things so far towards changing that perception; and let's be honest--with OSU on probation, he really has no choice but to do so.  It does seem like he's been recruiting the right "type" of players, as well.  I'm on board with everything he's done so far.

hail2victors9's picture

Thanks, Hodge for looking at the full body of work and actually reading my comment.  And I agree about the commits.  Seems like some really good kids, and that's why I'd be rooting for Foster to go elsewhere, if I were a Buckeye.  He may not be a criminal risk, but from some accounts, he may have some character issues.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I would think it would be difficult for him NOT to be since he has set this precedent.

rdubs's picture

May depend on the offense.  I think he is pretty strict on hitting women.  Might be more lenient with drugs or drinking.

bucndc's picture

I don't know how it could be debated. Kyle gave you an example of a similar incident that happened on the 2008 NC Florida team. I'll do the math for you. That was 4 years ago. Meyer is not some fat hypocrit from Dayton that says, " Lets wait until all the facts are in", then reinstates the guy. There is precedence.

bucndc's picture

By the way Hail, whats the starting WR name at UM that roughed up 2 girls in their apartment and threatened to KILL one of their boyfriends, because he texted him? They conveniently dropped the charges. Do you think Meyer would have handled it the same way as Jabba? Obviously not. He didn't have to wait.

hail2victors9's picture

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2012-04-26/Michigan-safety-Josh-Furman-not-guilty/54558768/1
 You clearly don't know the whole story, and you don't know who you're talking about---Josh Furman is a safety, not a WR.  He doesn't start.  He is used primarily on special teams coverage.
 Only the people there know the true story, but I will go with what the court and reporters stated.  He didn't hit or threaten either woman that was there.  He was set off by a text message from a friend/boyfriend of one of the girls and threatened to go and fight him.  Apparently, the only physical contact was the girls trying to restrain him so he wouldn't leave the residence to fight the guy.
Charges weren't dropped; he was found not guilty.  He had an opportunity to plea bargain, but since he didn't assault anyone, he was insistent it go to trial.
I guess you're just naive enough to believe that a player should be kicked off a team immediately for being accused of something instead of getting the full story.  Good luck with that.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

bucndc's picture

You are right Hail. I was confusing Furman with Robinson. He was arrested also for destruction of property. All in all, its been a pretty tough year up there for UM players. How many have left the program since Hoke's arrival last year? 16, counting arrests, transfers and 5th year seniors he ran off.

buck-I.8's picture

I hate Michigan as much as the next guy, bro, but you don't know what you're talking about. Back off a smidge.

Catch 5's picture

Glass houses mate. I think the count for OSU since Meyer took over is 12 or 13, and that is just since December.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

hail2victors9's picture

He was arrested.  You're right.  But the destruction of property was him trying to lift a disfunctioning parking garage gate so he could leave the garage.  He should get 15-20 years for that.
16, huh?  Feel free to list them and we'll go from there.
 
And before you list big Will Campbell's run in with the law (destruction of property), I'll do it for you.  He tried to slide across the hood of a car like they do in movies.  Let's just say he didn't make it.  I pray this hits Youtube at some point, because it's flat out hilarious.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

bucndc's picture

disfunctioning? The garage was closed. Hail, you don't have to be so defensive.
As far as Robinson, you left out the good part. He got arrested again because he failed to show up in court for the destruction of property charge. Clearly, not one of the brightest bulbs on the UM team. He must have been a roommate of Stony's.

bucndc's picture

So Hail,
Given all the crap that Hoke has allowed, let's go back to your original question. Will Urban be as strict with a starter? Robinson gets arrested a second time for not showing up in court. Hoke does nothing, kid's reinstated, no worries.
Now, let's say Stoneburner decides not to show up in court for pissing on the side of a building. How do you think Urban would react?
Something tells me, Meyer would freakin have a melt down. I can guarantee Stoneburner wouldn't play this year.
That's the point I was making. Question Meyer's integrity? You might want to look at what's going on in Ann Arbor.

hail2victors9's picture

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7832883/michigan-wolverines-jerald-robinson-facing-warrant-arrest
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7835991/jerald-robinson-michigan-wolverines-makes-court-appearance
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigans-jerald-robinson-delays-pretrial-hearing-on-destruction-of-public-property-charge/
http://www.annarbor.com/news/crime/u-m-receiver-jerald-robinson-to-return-to-court-in-july-as-his-lawyer-waits-for-video/
So there is the full story as reported by the media on Jerald Robinson.  If you notice, he was set to make a court appearance today at 9am; so I'm not really sure how you think this should have been handled differently when it's not been fully determined if there's anything to handle.
I wasn't questioning Urban's integrity.  I simply posed a hypothetical question based off of past history at Florida...remember, back when every Buckeye in the world hated him.
Stonum is the only questionable action on Hoke's part.  I like that he gave the kid a chance to clean up his act under his watch, but when he failed to do so, he was removed from the team after he messed up again.  If Robinson is found guilty, he won't be playing for a while (4 games is my guess).  BTW, our punter was suspended 4 games to start the season last year for "violating team rules."

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

buck-I.8's picture

I think very few of us were offended by your quandry, Hail. I have the same questions about Urban as you do, I won't hail him as a saint until he gives me a reason. Just don't listen to the mouth breathers

buck-I.8's picture

Hail, I think about that a lot. But Stoneburner is a guy that Urban likes a lot and people might consider him in " the circle of trust." He certainly showed no mercy there, and I think he knows his standards have to be higher at a B1G institution, despite the sacrifices.

buckeye76BHop's picture

To the troll above...yes I do believe he would.  Imagine that...someone must have this week off.  You've been everywhere on 11w commenting Hail...and yet again...making ignorant statements.  No one (especially me) cares about what you think.  Do you think Hoke should be more firm ???  Because he's been the lenient one...Hail...got any debate for that.  I've seen suspensions but no one kicked off the team.  Not to mention one tTUN player was involved in domestic violence...please don't go there Hail. 
To Kyle...I could have gone years without seeing that Hayes article again.  You just give ppl like this above, supposed "facts" to make so called debatable discussions over "speculations"...not factual situations.  Other than that, great article. 

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

hail2victors9's picture

Since you're so anti-Michigan everything, maybe you should just hit the mute button when you're calling out Michigan.  You don't know what you're talking about, either, but this seems to be the norm with you.  It's funny to me that you call me a troll all the time but I've seen several of your fellow Buckeyes call you out on being more of a troll then this scUM fan.
Daryll Stonum, our #2 (at worst) WR was dismissed from the team this past Winter after driving to a probation hearing without a valid driver's license.  Yes, when Hoke first show up Stonum was arrested for DUI and Hoke suspended him for a full season (costing the kid a year of eligibility).  I guess that's the leniency you're referring to.  If you mean Furman, go up a few comments.
If you re-read my comment, I say that Urban hasn't given us ANY reason to believe that this isn't how he will handle things going forward.  I commend him for the way he has handled everything at OSU.  I think he was a little too hard on Mewhort and Stoneburnner, to be honest.  I simply posed a question, without accusation, if the OSU fanbase feels like he'll stick to his guns if a great player he has known since HS recruitment runs afoul.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

rdubs's picture

The suspension of Stonum was nothing more than a redshirt.  I think that was a very dishonest spin of a "suspension" by Hoke.  

hail2victors9's picture

Except he [would have] lost a year of eligibility.  There is a difference. 

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

AC1972's picture

76BHOP -  I Think you are reading too much in Hail's orginal post.  It was a fair question.  For the record, I think Urban would be very consistent years from now with "his" recruits.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

Agreed,  bhop take it easy man.  it was just a question.   who's really trolling here?

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Take it easy, bro. Even if Hail's questions were intended to be rhetorical - and that doesn't seem to be the case here - they don't warrant such hostility.
I don't even see why you'd expect Hail to get into Hoke's policies and/or track record concerning players' rules violations when he was responding directly to a post concerning Urbz on a Buckeye blog. It's not like he preemptively attacked Urbz, out of context, or something. Hail might have "gone there," but it was Kyle's post that led us there in the first place. 
Thus, your reaction seems petty.

sir rickithda3rd's picture

as a coach i can say it is really hard kicking a player off that you like and is extremely talented.

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

Hoody Wayes's picture

"To outsiders, Meyer may seem like he demands an awful lot, but staying out of trouble, especially when it comes to the law – even as a college student – shouldn’t be that difficult."
It seems to me that - having attended my first game at the Shoe in the 70's - "staying out of trouble" is becoming more and more difficult, for college football players.  

bucndc's picture

http://annarborchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Comments-for-the-Regents-Meeting-1117111.pdf
 
What did they do about the kicker at Michigan that raped the girl at the frat party? Oh yeah, he's still there

bucndc's picture

Hail,
You obviously don't know the whole story on Stonum. The guy had 3 alcohol related arrests while at Michigan, prior to turning 21 years old. He drove to see his probation officer with a suspenended driver's license, so they through him back in jail. Given all that it still took Hoke a month to come to his decision to remove him from the team. That is freakin lenient. Hoke's got nothing on Bobby Bowden.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I think Hail's initial question was actually quite fair regarding if Meyer will be as strict in years to come in terms of discipline with his recruits. That is a fair question.
I'm not sure what is to be gained by bashing Hoke and UM on this topic. In my opinion, this shouldn't be about comparing one program with another, its specifically about Meyer and OSU.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Oops . . . I didn't read down this far before making a similar comment higher up in this thread.

Jugdish's picture

Personally, I resent Hail's question. Why speculate about the future? Look at what Urban is doing now. Coaches learn as they gain more experience in the business and learn from any past mistakes. Urban will continue with the same effort to protect the program and tOSU. I am really proud of how UFM has handled every situation thus far and I cannot believe he will be any different in the next 4-10 years.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

tennbuckeye19's picture

I stand by Hail's question as being fair.
You say 'why speculate about the future', and then you yourself speculate about the future with your comment that 'Urban will continue with the same effort to protect the program and tOSU'. How do you know?
I am also proud of how Urban has handled each situation that has occurred thus far, but none of us know for sure if he will continue to be as strict in years to come. 

Jugdish's picture

It is OK to disagree, but for a UM fan to question the integrity of tOSU Coach is out of bounds. UFM has done nothing to deserve any criticism from anyone. I anticipate (looking at glass ball now) that Urban will make us more proud of OSU than Hoke at UM.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

hodge's picture

I don't mind him doing it, because it's a well-known fact that he did, in fact, give a lot of his better players second chances at Utah and Florida.

bucndc's picture

Read the Post. Hail was insinuating that 4 years from now, Meyer would change his policy of no tolerance for violence against women. The Posts responded. I am sure Hail posted that to see what kind of response he would get. I think most of the rsponses were appropriate. Hail brought up Hoke's actions with Stonum etc. Tennessee it's a freakin forum. What else are you supposed to do but make comments and comparisons?
 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

We all tend to read into questions from the "enemy camp" by assuming we know the questioner's intent.
A question from a Michigan fan - "Do you guys think Urban will be this strict if similar run-ins with the law occur in 3-4 years with his recruits?  If Spence or Bosa was arrested for a domestic dispute, would they be dismissed?" we tend to interpret as . . . "Do you Buckeye fans really think Urban will be this strict . . . [then you are fools!]." But our abilities to read intent into words/arguments aren't always that reliable. 
If a Buckeye fan asked the exact same questions, we'd probably read their intent differently - i.e., that he/she is asking "innocent" questions without any attempt to insinuate something about Urbz's future behavior, etc.   

OSUBias's picture

Apparently we are supposed to freak out any time someone asks a question where one possible answer to the question might be something unpleasant for OSU.
The question was fair, especially given Urban's history at UF. Hail is as rationale as they come, don't usually see him troll this particular fanbase.
@hail, I hope he sticks with his funs on any type of discipline issues in the future. As has been noted, it's only speculation at this point, but I think the fact that he is setting the precedent early and it's so much more in the spotlight due to the atmosphere surrounding the program right now leaves him a lot less flexibility in the future than he had at UF.
As to the rest of backlash against UM and Hoke, I'd pose a similar question back to you @Hail. Do you think Hoke has been consistent in his dealings with situations like there? Do you wish he'd been harsher/more lenient? I'd always lean towards too harsh and then let them work their way back into good standing than the other way around, but that's just me.

Slider...you stink

Portland Buckeye's picture

I also thought Hail's question was valid and innocent. As other posts have mentioned, it will become more difficult for Meyer once he's been around the team for three+ years and developed long term relationships.
Personally, I think Hail brings value to the threads since he has an outsider's rational perspective. He asked a thought provoking question. There was no need to rub a couple bad scUM incidents in his face...BuckeyeNation would be viewed much more favoably if we could all save those comments for the truly rude scUMmers during Michigan week!
@ Hail, Honestly I'm trying to put my past prejudices aside regarding Meyer. I couldn't stand him at Florida and didn't really trust him when he was rumored to be hired, but so far I couldn't ask for anything more. He's handled these unfortunate situations well so far, so he's earning my trust and I'll give him the benefit of doubt regarding future incidents. Maybe his time off has given him some perspective. At some point maybe I'll be able to trust him implicitly like Tressel. Fingers crossed his coaching career ends better!
I still can't believe how much has happened without Meyer coaching a single game. This has become the eternal offseason.

bucndc's picture

Fido,
I can smell that bs clear in DC. Get a grip, man. What exactly was Hail insinuating? Meyer would forget what his policy is in 4 years? Geez dude, you seem to apologize more than Obama.
I have no problem with Hail's question, but I certainly am not going to lick his boots. Ask away, get a response. It's that simple. I don't have a problem with anyone calling out a "troll". I do not like the term. The net is made to be shared by any and all. I often times comment on UM sites and I am always attacked for my opinions. Far more than Hail is, ever.
If I worried what UM fans thought about me or my comments, I wouldn't post on a UM site. Some on here need to get over their sensitivity. This ain't the lady's tea room.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

I hope you get the banhammer dude.   congrats on making yourself look very very foolish. 
...lady's tea room?  get outta here.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

Pam's picture

"Do Not Discuss Politics or Religion
Sorry, we just don't want any of that stuff around here and discussing one of those topics is the quickest way to earn the banhammer. There are plenty of other places on the internet for you to talk about politics and/or religion."
 

Baroclinicity's picture

Amen.
Crap!
Jokes aside, I agree.

bucndc's picture

What??? mention a name and you are talking politics? Not sure where you are coming from, but we are all talking religion...........buckeye football baby.

Nappy's picture

It's best to just leave politics and political figures out of it.  No one comes here to read about that stuff.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Pam's picture

"Geez dude, you seem to apologize more than Obama."
 
a name that belongs to the POTUS=politics

bucndc's picture

Wow, thanks Pam.

bucndc's picture

I will definitely have to be careful. I like to use the word bush a lot. People never know whether I am talking beer, a past president or just the fact my wife has not trimmed properly.

Denny's picture

But you made your comment just before tea time :(

Taquitos.

buckeyedude's picture

I agree with your comments Bucndc. I used to go to Mgoblog and "troll" occasionally, if you will, but it's pointless.

 
 

Irricoir's picture

On the subject, is there a good reason to visit another teams site? This is the only one that I visit because it gives me information about the upcoming year. The thing I enjoy is most of the people in this community. What purpose is served in going to another teams site? I ask this not to point the finger at anyone but only because I might be missing out on something and should give it a try. I have no interest in arguing or trolling but maybe there is something else that I haven't thought about?

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

BrewstersMillions's picture

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
 

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Irricoir's picture

Okay, I get that. Just curious how you or I knowing Penn State, helps Urban beat Penn State. Hey, I am not judging you guys for visiting other places. Enjoy yourself. Just not seeing the need, not for my intentions at least. Please continue to enjoy.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

hodge's picture

I have a lot of Michigan-loving friends (in fact, the ones who I talk football with the most--outside my girlfriend--are Michigan fans), so I like to stop by Mgoblog a few times a week to see whats up.  It's not required reading for all Buckeye fans, but I like to keep abreast of what my friends' team is up to, so I'll be more informed when we talk football.

Irricoir's picture

Great reason. I am learning.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I guess its a matter of preference really. I've always loved football because of how simple it is to the eye but how nuanced and complex it is the deeper you look. Some fans can see and appriciate a 35 yard post pattern TD for exactly what it is-a well blocked, well set up, well run, well thrown play that leads to what looks like an easy TD (You've seen enough football, you know the kind I'm referring to. The one where the QB and WR look like their playing catch). I love knowing why that play in that situation worked for the team I cheer for. Maybe its ego, but if I know a team struggles to play Play action inside the 50 and their safeties leave the middle of the field open, I can, as a fan, look and say "oh watch out for this here" moments before it occurrs. I am not sure I'm properly putting into words but watching my team win isn't always enough. Sometimes (most times) I like to know why my team won the way they did and part of that comes from knowing what your opponents are good at\not good at.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

hodge's picture

@BREWSTER - Speaking of that, I'm really hoping that Ross delves into the x's and o's of every game during the season: both before and after.  Previewing with schemes each team runs, strengths/weaknesses, etc. and then following up with what worked (and what didn't) and why.  Speaking of x's and o's, if you haven't already, but Chirs Brown's The Essential Smart Football, tremendous read.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I really want to. Haven't gotten a chance to pick it up yet.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

BrewstersMillions's picture

Oh there is absolutley no connection  between my knowing PSU and Urbs's knowing PSU. I can assure you, however, that Meyer will know PSU inside and out without the help of a fan blog. My point is this-as a fan I'd like to know what my team has in terms of opposition. Time is our only truly finite resource so in a 24 hour period, the time I have to consume football info will always have an OSU lean but if I want to discuss football with anyone from another fan base, I'd like to know what I'm talking about a little.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Irricoir's picture

Nice point too. I do the same about Alabama since thats where I live. I just don't visit there blogs and honsetly I keep up with them pretty adequately with information I receive from here. Good info though. Thanks.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

buckeyedude's picture

You must get sick of hearing "Sweet Home Alabama," Irricoir. 
My brother was a Marine(back in the early 80's) stationed @ Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, and just for the hell of it became a temporary Auburn fan because he got so sick of hearing that tune and the Bama fans.

 
 

Irricoir's picture

I am pretty familiar with that area. Yeah, I get sick of that and sick of hearing "Roll Tide". The Auburn fans arent 10% as boisterous as what the Bama fans are. Maybe because they have accomplished about 10% of what Bama has. IDK

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

hodge's picture

Sun Tzu = Flawless Victory.

bucndc's picture

IRRICOIR,
What is the single greatest thing about the internet? The ability to amass information with very little effort. I don't come on this site to swap spit with any of you.

Irricoir's picture

Hey, If I gave you the impression that I wanted to spoon then I sincerely apologize. I would ask you what type of information you wish to gather but I don't think you will be around here long enough to answer. Take care pal.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Nappy's picture

lol, this may be my favorite comment today

Fan of bacon since 1981

bucndc's picture

I thought it was a pretty good comment also. Don't take offense , I was just funning on you.

buckeye76BHop's picture

"Do you guys think Urban will be this strict if similar run-ins with the law occur in 3-4 years with his recruits?  If Spence or Bosa was arrested for a domestic dispute, would they be dismissed?  We have no reason to believe otherwise, just curious what you guys think since it was debatable in the past (by some)."
This is what I replied to....if you're a Buckeye fan, then you're going to defend what UFM has done so far (regardless of his, We have no reason to believe otherwise).  As far as the Philosopher King (www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxPSzz0LBY)...I'm not as impressed as tTUN fans are...sorry.  Hail may be fine to some others...I just still think he's a closet OSU fan...that's why he comes here so much.  He switched sides after 2004-2010.  Then he went back after last year;-)  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

DJ Byrnes's picture

Woah, Lenin. Urban Meyer has had to deal with two public pissers and a girl-slapping back-up linebacker with middling talent.
Let's wait before we start hailing this as some sort of new era of OSU discipline.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.