Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on April 10, 2012 at 6:00a

Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

Well, the long wait for the college football season begins. And while it may only be a couple months of waiting, it's still not easy, especially with all the great headlines that are going to be made this upcoming year.

But before we dive head first into football season, I just want to say how jovial I was hearing the news that Deshaun Thomas will be back in Columbus for his junior year.

A season which ended so poorly has a somewhat happier ending. And now, we don't only have football season to be thrilled about but basketball season as well.

Granted, Thad Matta's team isn't going to be as good as this squad was this year, but Jared Sullinger isn't easy to replace. The Buckeyes will, however, have talent and that can only lead to a promising season.

So with that, I've finally cleared my head of Ohio State's 2011-2012 season. Now it's finally time to move forward and see what Urban Meyer has up his sleeves.

Let's get rolling:


CIRCLE OF TRUST. The end of Urban Meyer's career in Florida was somewhat of a mystery. Meyer had won two national titles, was attracting every big name recruit, and was running one of college football's elite programs. Meyer said he left to spend more time with his family and for health reasons, but perhaps there were more sinister reasons for his departure.

Sporting News' Matt Hayes recently released an article with a slew of charges against the current OSU head coach for his days at Florida University. The article alleges that Meyer let the Florida program fall into the control of its players and that Meyer had helped create this culture which set Florida's program back.

Hayes cites that Meyer had let star players get the better of him. Percy Harvin allegedly was fed up with strength and conditioning drills one day that he refused to continue. The next day, apparently the team was playing basketball as conditioning instead of running.

The article continues to discuss how Meyer failed to control the rampant drug use on the team. Several of his players including Aaron Hernandez, Brandon Spikes, and Janoris Jenkins had tested positive for marijuana. Additionally, Jenkins, Chris Martin, and Kedric Johnson were all arrested in separate incidents for marijuana possession, although these incidents did occur under Will Muschamps' tenure.

There are many more stories and allegations in the article, but it is clear that some unpleasant things happened at Florida. I'm sure some of these stories are blown out of proportion and that many things were lost in translation. All I know is that these things mentioned this story happen on every college football team.

How shocking it is that players use drugs on teams, or that a star player freaks out at a coach or his team? Not very, but while these things aren't positive, they do happen and it's up to the head coach to help find practical solutions to these issues. Hopefully this is what Meyer preaches here in Columbus.

BACK TO THE PRESENT. While Meyer's last days at Florida have been scrutinized and called into question, very few are debating the excitement he has created with his plans to completely revamp the Buckeyes' offense this season. Few, in fact, are more excited than his players who have said nothing but positive things about the new offense.

“Teams should be scared, I think,” Stoneburner said. “The way we practice and the way our offense is set up, with the guys we have, it’s going to be unbelievable out there. It’s going to be a show."

Even offensive linemen are getting excited about the potential of gaining big yards on every play next year.

“I just think it’s really exciting being out there knowing the guy running your offense is Coach Meyer,” left tackle Jack Mewhort said. “Anything can happen at any time. You can score on any play.”

While it's great to see that players are so passionate about Meyer's system, there are still plenty of holes that need to be filled. OSU has plenty of talent at quarterback and running back, but Ohio State still lacks an offensive talent to take all the pressure off these two positions.

Receivers, tight ends, and fullbacks need to be ready because anyone could be called on in this new offensive system.


Percy Harvin: basketball enthusiast.

BURKE IS BACK. Just when it looked as though the Buckeyes were going to lose some competition in the Big Ten next season, it looks as though Michigan will get back their star point guard back.

Trey Burke, like his former high school teammate Jared Sullinger, will return for his sophomore season. Burke was the Big Ten Freshman of the Year last season and helped lead Michigan to the NCAA tournament. Oh yeah, and then they lost in the first round to Ohio University.

Burke is a truly phenomenal player and will only continue to get better moving forward. Let's just hope Aaron Craft's defense is still up to par like last season.

It will certainly be interesting to see how this rivalry develops because both are arguably the best point guards in the conference.

SATURDAY FUN DAY. For all students who can't even wait until the spring game, this Saturday students will be able to check out the team's 10:45 a.m. practice at Ohio Stadium. All that is needed for admission is a student i.d.

After the practice ends, students will be able to walk on the field and chat with coaches as well as players. Students will be able to tour the team's locker room, visit the press box, and much more.

The doors will officially at 9:30 a.m. and students will be allowed to stay until 2 p.m.

LOS LINKS. A different perspective on Sporting News' article... Happy 100 years Ohio State athletics... Michigan safety suspended... Baylor facing NCAA violations... Players protest for Isiah Thomas.


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Baroclinicity's picture

Meyer has said the offense has a ways to go, and the players think it's going to be a show.  Makes it hard to gauge exactly where we are at in that respect.  Is Meyer being humble, or are the players getting ahead of themselves a little bit?

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Buckeyeneer's picture

I've got a source close the the coaching staff who said that we need to temper our expectations a little bit on the offense this season. He held out that things may change as the spring and summer progress, but the offense still needs a lot of work and needs more time to adjust to the new system. Still, glad to hear that the players are buying in. That's the first step!

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JasonBuck's picture

I thought "Michigan men" NEVER got arrested...I mean according to Mgoblog only Urban has ever had players arrested...all I can say is thats pretty funny!

thorvath22's picture

I thought our basketball season was a success, it didn't end poorly imo, sure we lost but it was a great game.

I think perhaps the football players have just been so used weak practices that now they are practicing at a higher level that they are more confident...I'm worried about their execution and big play ability more than anything

The D will be pretty good though.

I say 9 or 10 wins.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Gotta disagree with you here... While I think the basketball season was a great success, that last game was a terrible way to lose.  You can't give up a 13 point lead and lose in the final minutes and come away with anything other than a very bitter taste in your mouth. 

I'd also think this D will be great.  I see us winning 8-9 games this year.  Maybe more if a playmaking WR or two can emerge.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

In basketball, every team except the NC ends the season with a bitter taste in their mouths. Did you catch the Syracuse players after OSU beat them in the regional final? It's the nature of the beast.

It was a very good season.

Ethos's picture

I liked this comment on that sporting news article:

Chris Curnutte
Matt Hayes is a sour UF fan who's based out of Orlando, FL who is, very unprofessional I might add, using his position at the sporting news to air his disdain towards Urban Meyer. The same man who wrote an article back on July 13 of 2009 praising Coach Meyer. Want proof? Here it is:


Matt Hayes is just another hypocrite writer in a looooong line of terrible journalists



Freakin owned by blogger commenter.  haha.

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Ethos, nice share... That is awesome... hahahaha

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FortMeyer's picture

In this article from 2009 Hayes has Jim Tressel 3 spots below Brian Kelley in the best coaches list and never mentioned Tressels national title in his accomplishment rundown. A little OSU hatred? Back of the line son. May show the issue in going after Urban.

The_Lurker's picture

Um..."five with sights on the top five" - RichRod, Paul Johnson, Tom O'Brien, Butch Davis? At least Gary Patterson is legit. The best line under RichRod is "Don't let year one fool you."

Buckeyejason's picture

12-0 is possible IF....Braxton makes huge strides in his QB development and leadership skills, the O-line can play well..not nessarily great, and the Defense generating a consistent pass rush game in and game out. Realistically I see struggles, 10 wins max. Next season you would hope to be a true contender.


BrewstersMillions's picture

I like what your doing here and a early look at the schedule does lend some credit to what you are saying. 10 wins seems like a lot for a new culture (a bad one! OH MAN ITS SO BAD SN!), system, S&C regime, and the like. 4-0 should be a forgone conclusion, I worry about Sparty because its Sparty. Nebraska is a toss up but I do think our defense is going to be good enough to keep us in a lot of games if\when the offense struggles to make the big plays. Still see that as a W. IU and PU are wins, bringing my total to 6-1 (Im assuming a Sparty loss for sake of argument) @ PSU is where it starts to get interesting. For all intents and purposes, I'd like to think by game 8 the offense has its identity established while I don't see the D struggling much at all. I think this might be one of those "That's not a moon that's a space station" games where the B1G takes notice of what Meyer has built. PSU has big W written all over it. Illinois-lol. W.

That leaves a road trip to Wisky-And I hate those. This one worries me tentativley. I'll throw an L at it.

Finally-Michigan. I refuse to think Denard Robinson can do what he did last year. In the shoe no less. This is a W. It has to be. Its our season and senior day. I can not imagine a world in which this team isn't blood thirsty while Michigan may be looking ahead to what could be a B1G Championship game for them.

By my count, that's two losses-Sparty and Wisky. This is all contingent on the offense making the progress it never made last year-even with Braxton. Miller got better the offense as a whole? Not sure. The staple here has to be defense. Shazier, Simon, Hank and Roby have to make big plays. Everyone else is more than welcome to but just have to play within themselves.

I do like that Meyer's emphasis on ST will continue to make that a strength for OSU. As I type this out, I thought I'd disagree with you. I'm on board Jason. 12-0 is a tough look. 9-2 is a real possibility as the only 4 games I CAN see us losing are UW, UM, NU, MSU and two of them (NU and UM) are home games.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

10-2 seems about right. I agree, the offensive transition will be difficult at times, but they should be fairly cohesive by the stretch run, especially in time for the Michigan game - which is the Buckeyes' bowl game this year.

Assuming that the kinks are worked out toward the end of the season: the lack of a dynamic, speedy playmaker on the outside to complement Miller and the stable of RBs might limit the offense from being an elite unit; however, the (hybrid power/spread) offense can still be very productive without that Harvin-type player. Miller, excellent RBs, great TEs/HB, serviceable WRs, if the OL stays healthy, and a top notch offensive staff collaboratively running the show. The example I keep using is ILL 1999 (which was more traditional "pro-style," but maximized its talent). This offense won't be there much of the season, could be dangerous toward the end.

Meanwhile, the D should get back to being the Silver Bullets, especially - as Jason mentions above - they can get a consistent pass rush, hopefully aided by N. Williams or 2-3 of the stud DE and/or rush-LB (Leo-type, e.g. Marcus) frosh. 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I really don't see the Buckeyes losing to Wisc this year!  I have a feeling that Urban wants to shove it down baby Bret's throat after that ridiculous flap he raised about poaching recruits.  He will have his players all fired up to go out and humiliate them in their own stadium.  I could be totally off base here but Urban does seem like the kind of guy that holds grudges and loves to get even and baby Bret pissed him off royally.

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BTBuckeye's picture

Still hard for some people to believe these 18-22 year old college football stars smoke weed, huh?

Ah, a Brandon "eye gouger" Spikes sighting...smoking herb and gougin eyes!!




buckeyechad's picture

hahaha I was thinking the same thing, "Apparently Coach Meyer had players who... smoked the reefer!"

Jdadams01's picture

We go 8-4 or 9-3 and I'll be giddy. Mostly just want to beat scUM.

Squirrel Master's picture

Good morning fellow buckeye fans!

First of all, I lived in North Florida in my formative years and believe it or not, I did smoke the pot! If you wanted the best stuff you went to in or around Gainesville. Its all over the place down there. Urban would have had to be the CIA in order to keep his players from smoking weed down there. And I was there during Spurrier and Zooks years and guess what, they smoked pot then too. Pointing out now adays that players from that area are possibly smoking pot is like saying players from Miami are possibly abusing Cocaine, hello Captain Obvious!

I would also like to point out that Percy Harvin, Bradon Spikes and Hernandez seem to be doing quite well in the NFL. If they were such prima donna's as that article says they are, NFL teams would have nothing to do with it. This article is pure hate and biased!

and the other point about not having high expectations for the offense this year, if they score 15 points a game it would be better than last year. I find it hard to believe that even in a revamping year they couldn't do any better than the Bollball offense of Dave, Dave, Dave, Punt! If Urban and his cohorts can't do any better than that, then monkeys might fly out of Run-Fido's butt!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Nutbuck1959's picture

A guy named Squirrel Master smoking reefer?  Shit the bed!

BoFuquel's picture

Just Beat Miami, And then worry about going 2-0. GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Bobcat04's picture

My only concern for the basketball team going forward is that Matta, for the first time in his career, seems to have cooled off in recruiting while some other B1G teams are taking off in that area.  To me, it's scary that we are probably going to have to scramble to get a Ravenel-like transfer this year, after the last 3 years' unquestioned success.  I hope he can turn it around and get a couple more folks to join Marc Loving in '13.

RedStorm45's picture

With a roster of 12-13, it's hard to go recruit with one senior.

I don't think we need a transfer...Williams, Ravs, Spoon, and D.T. down low though Tank may move out to the 3 aaccording to his "mentor."  Our D will be crazy good with a shot blocker down low, and Craft, Smith, and Thompson bothering guards on the outside.  Plus, I believe Jent is staying so that's another year of the current offensive system they're running.  They're pretty well set with a 10-man lineup if Matta chooses to go that deep (Scott, Sibert, Ross/Thompson, Spoon, Ravenel).

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I could be totally wrong about this, but it seemed like Ravenel was maybe not in top condition this season. For example, the reason that A. Williams played in the 1H of the 'Zaga game was Ravenel asked to come out after playing a rugged 4 minutes.

If this is true, and Ravenel commits himself to a brutal offseason conditioning program, he could become a more consistent rebounder and defender at the PF position (possibly with Williams at C and DT at the 3). 

Ravenel actually has decent offensive skills, but this year he was unable to guard athletic bigs and he was only so-so as a rebounder (considering what's expected of him).

Squirrel Master's picture

From what I recall during the Zaga game was Ravs and Sully both having 2 fouls early and that is why Amir got PT.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

chitown buckeye's picture

I think that situation was the Syracuse game. I could be wrong though.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Squirrel Master's picture

you are correct sir. We both were talking about the syracuse game. Amir didn't play much in the Zag game and if Ravenel couldn't handle playing 11 minutes then I am truly concerned. I am sure that was not it though.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm pretty sure it was the 'Zaga game. Sully went out with 2 fouls with about 8.5 minutes left in the 1H. Ravenel came in for about 4 minutes, got winded, and asked for a substitution. The only option was to insert Williams at that point. Williams had a block and played good post defense in general and kinda held the fort until HT.  

LadyBuck's picture

That was definitely the 'Cuse game. The Gonzaga game was when Craft absolutely took over in the first half to carry this team on to the next round. Sully got 2 cheapies really quick in the first half the 'Cuse game, followed by 2 quick ones on Rav (he usually makes his fouls count). Amir had to go in, and he tried to lay that one bucket in, resulting in a 'Amir! Amir! Dunk that motherf*****" from Craft on national television. He didn't play too much against the other teams in the tournament, though. 

Squirrel Master's picture

I wouldn't say Thad is cooling off. He doesn't have much wiggle room with scholarships and wasn't sure if Sully and Thomas would return or not.

Even if Tony Parker doesn't come, still looking at a starting lineup of Craft, Smith, Ross/Thompson, Thomas, Williams. That is still good enough to be one of the best in the B1G. I would prefer if there is no transfer out there worth grabbing to hold the schollie till next year and go strong. Plus, Florida, UNC and others have a year or so where they don't have a strong recruiting class because of all the returning players. Not every team is like Kentucky! Plus it is harder to recruit new players and kick out the ones you don't like anymore like in Football. Saban would hate being a basketball coach.

Matta could only bring in 2 players this year even if he wanted to. I think it should be Parker or no one and go with what he has. As long as this team has Craft, they will be good!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

GABuckeye's picture

Cooled off??  See 2011 - Shannon Scott #6 PG, Amir Williams #4 C, Sam Thompson & Laquinton Ross #13 & #16 SF, and Trey McDonal #14 C (all according to ESPN).  I don't care what team you are.  That's a damn good recruiting class.

nickma71's picture

The article is meant to make Ohio State look bad. No other reason....And the players probably think the offense is good because Bollman isn't factoring in.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

First, let me say, 11W is not just a fun community; it's one of the better outlets for Buckeye sports-related journalism. Also, Lesmerises usually does good work, himself.

That said, the talented 11W staff consists partly of budding media professionals - several of whom have earned paid opportunities in recent months - and thus they tend to be protective of the media/journalism industry. In the article linked above, Lesmerises never once questions the quality of Hayes's journalism.

I get it - media professionals defend their own, similar to professionals in any other "guild." Often, that self-defensive posture serves useful purposes. Unfortunately, the current state of "journalism" is so generally poor that this defensiveness is turning into a willful denial of the media's crumbling foundations. 

Here's the deal: journalism is as much a process, as it is a result. The most important thing is to do it the right way, not to throw b.s. against a wall and hope that it sticks. In terms of journalistic fundamentals, Hayes's piece was shitty journalism, simple as that. Some of his recklessly constructed allegations might turn out to be true, but that wouldn't vindicate his shoddy process. Good journalism doesn't rely on luck.

It's about time for the solid journalists to call out the junk peddlers; otherwise, those junk peddlers will drag the hardworking guys into the gutter with them.   

Johnny Ginter's picture

i agree with like 99% of what you're saying, and we definitely love doug here (as does like everybody else who writes about OSU sports, blogger or otherwise), but i think you'll find that pretty much all of 11W would agree that hayes' article was mostly BS

Run_Fido_Run's picture

And we can't say enough that 11W is the creme de la creme.  

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

"top shelf, homie"

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Jdadams01's picture

11W = Pineapple Express

Hayes = the Snicklefritz

Squirrel Master's picture

If you are referring to the movie, 11W is way better than Pineapple Express!

11W is the Mel Brooks of blogging and college sports related stories! They are Blazing Saddles, Spaceballs, Men in Tights, Young Frankenstein, History of the World: Part 1 with a little bit of Three Amigos thrown in!

Hayes is "The Cryin Game". Spoiler alert, the chick.......has a unit!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Jdadams01's picture

Not the movie Pineapple Express itself, but a scene from it. Rewatch and you'll know what I'm saying.

William's picture

Squirrel Master doesn't understand, he'd be the one that would get the snicklefritz. 

Squirrel Master's picture

Speak for yourself. I know what snicklefritz is and just so ya know, straight out of Gainesville you would find the best Blueberry ever. It was awesome stuff! Defintely not any snicklefritz!

Do you even know why they call it Pineapple Express? and don't give me the baby sex crap they say in the movie.

Still say that movie kind of sucked. I like Seth and Danny. I hate Franco. Guy is a douche. I would take any Mel Brooks movie over that crap!


I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

William's picture

Was being facetious but alright.

Squirrel Master's picture

you don't joke around with the squirrel master about bud! You get cut!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

FortMeyer's picture

The 2012 offense will cater to our strengths as opposed to running what we have come accustomed to time and again. If a play doesn't work we certainly won't see it again. Even on bad days I think we will move the ball up and down the field. That is the exciting part of the entire equation. The punt will be moved back on the list of favorite plays.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Still, I am excited to see a Bryce Haynes fastball break off Ben Buchanan's fingertips at some point this season.  

RBuck's picture

The upcoming season will be one to just sit back and enjoy. There's no pressure on the team, coaches or even us fans. The Buckeyes will win more games than last year and as we all know, anything beats last year. This team is going to be fun to watch.

Long live the southend.

buckz4evr's picture

Even if some of the b.s is true, I believe Meyer learned from those mistakes by backing off recruits he think are the prima donna, entitled, attitude type players.

Johnny Ginter's picture

yeah, i think its silly to think that an adult man can't learn from past experiences and change his approach to coaching somewhat, which is something matt hayes doesn't seem to grasp at all

Poe McKnoe's picture

I think you mean "doesn't want to grasp at all"

bassplayer7770's picture

I saw that David Nelson tweeted saying he'd stand by Coach Meyer's honor any day of the week.  I also saw that Dodson apparently said the allegations about "bumping" into recruits was false.  Not that it's surprising given that the article has a pretty obvious bias.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

“Teams should be scared, I think,” Stoneburner said. “The way we practice and the way our offense is set up, with the guys we have, it’s going to be unbelievable out there. It’s going to be a show."

 You cannot help but be excited at statements like this

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

btalbert25's picture

I'm really excited about the offense.  Sure it's going to have growing pains and maybe the 2012 Buckeyes don't have a playmaker, but does everyone remember the historically terrible offense that marched on the field in 2011?  2012 will certainly be a major step forward.  They can double the production of last years offense and still be mediocre, but also a 10-12 win team.  The Big 10 isn't that good, the non conference schedule is not tough at all, and the defense is going to be very good. 

I can easily see these team winning double digits.  Will their offense be elite and national title caliber?  Probably not, but it doesn't mattter if they are in 2012 anyway.  What it will be, is much improved, and with the talent they have on the roster now, it'll be good enough to beat most Big 10 teams.

Urban needs the playmakers to win the national title, not the Big 10.  He's got the talent, and no the team finally has a coach who knows how to utilize offensive players.  They'll be good enough to win most of their games, and with a coach that owns big games, we'll see a win against that team in piss and blue.

LadyBuck's picture

My vocal chords will never forget last season. I cannot tell you how many times I was standing in the student section screaming "PASS THE BALL FORWARD" until I couldn't talk. Pretty much every freaking game. I felt like we went back in time in the worse way possible. I feel like an offensive system regularly incorporating the forward pass will be a huge step forward, no matter what. 

Doc's picture

BT is right, amongst others, the offense will be less "offensive" this year.  We will see increases in production and scoring and still be a statistically middle of the road O.  I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle of Urbz's grumbling and the players unbridled enthusiasm.

10-2 is very do able.  In my mind.  Nebraska was beaten before Miller went out, and MSU was ugly from the word go last year.  My concern is Wisky in Madison.  They are always tough to beat and they will be pissed off over last years loss.  PSU is up in the air.  Who knows what they will be like?  AACC is a home game and our de facto bowl game.  If they don't come out with their asses on fire they shouldn't even suit up.

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Doc's picture

Can we get one of our student members to go and check out practice on Saturday?  Being able to have a free pass to roam Ohio Stadium would be cooler than the other side of my pillow.  I would love to see the locker room and press box.  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!! SOMEBODY GO AND TAKE PICTURES AND REPORT BACK. 

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LadyBuck's picture

I was going to go to practice on Saturday. Why not? It's free. 

William's picture

I'm going, will definitely get some pics if I can.

Colin's picture

I shall go and take pictures. I will also attempt to become bros with Urban and some players to gain inside scoops to the team. Finally, if possible I will infiltrate their bathroom and report back the quality of the luxurious toilets I will surely encounter.

cbusbuckeye's picture

I will be there. I doubt we will be able to report back with pictures of the locker room though, I had the chance to tour it last fall and we were given a VERY VERY strict "no photogragh" lecture before being allowed inside.

Doc's picture

I doubt you will be able to take pics too, but any bit of "insider" info would be cool.  Thanks to you all.

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Jdadams01's picture

I mainly want to hear how the players look up close after the off-season conditioning program. who looks slimmed down, who's huge, and how many of your friends it takes to equal Chris Carter.

William's picture

I remember walking to Convocation and seeing Chris Carter, the guy looked like a bowling ball, he was huge. Definitely wonder how much he has slimmed down. 

buckeyechad's picture

I dont know if anyone knows what surgery it was but Zack Boren just tweeted this

"Praying for my little brother @j_boren50 after his big surgery this morning."

bassplayer7770's picture

I was hoping somebody here might know more details.  Was he injured?

Bucks43201's picture

The sports media is general is a lot like the political media.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

spqr2008's picture

My guess for Jacoby would be that he's getting his wisdom teeth out.  Still risky if they put you all the way under, plus, how good the dentist is at removing them = how little pain you have afterwards.  I'm sure we would've heard from Urbz if he was actually hurt.

William's picture

That's interesting, I must have had the best maxillofacial surgeon in the world haha, had three impacted teeth and was at school the next day. Always laughed at people that complained about getting their wisdom teeth taken out, thought it was nothing.  

Doc's picture

It all depends if it is a bony impaction or soft tissue.  It also depends if the teeth are tipped or not and which way if they are.  A soft tissue impacted straight or distally inclined tooth is a whole lot easier than a full bony mesially inclined one.  Just my $0.02

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southbymidwest's picture

Hmmm, daughter #1 claimed that knee surgery was FAR less painful than wisdom teeth extraction- was off the heavy pain meds almost immediately after knee surgery. Was still a very unhappy camper for a full week after her extraction, and had a very highly recommended oral surgeon.  And yeah, she has a high pain threshold.

faux_maestro's picture

It all depends. My wisdom teeth were painfull but I felt ok after about 2 days. My girlfriend was still miserable a week later. Hers were the kind DOC mentioned.

Your mom told me she wants a Dicken Cidar.

Brutus's picture

Well, if it is surgery for wisdom teeth, then I can only hope that he comes out feeling like this afterwards, and with the video to back it up:


Man, I wish I could feel that good just once.


Catch 5's picture

Coming from a Bama fan, I realize that the beat reporters down here get a lot of flack for their treatment of Saban, but that Lesmerises article is a joke. 

The Sporting News also writes of former Florida safety Bryan Thomas, saying he was given a medical hardship to clear a scholarship spot ... Meyer's reputation in this area is not one of a coach who constantly oversigns at the expense of current players who are following the rules but not producing. Some other SEC coaches have a problem with that.

So, despite the fact that Hayes has just produced a player that specifically says Meyer told him to "move on" since he wasn't wanted, and despite the fact that he was presented a medical hardship offer one day after he told the coaches he wasn't transferring, he gets a pass because he doesn't oversign?  Come on, at least Saban had medical determinations done over a long period of time before offering medicals - and he got a WSJ article dedicated to him.  Thomas went on (after graduating from FL) to play in 23 games over two seasons at N Alabama, becoming an all-conference player in the process.

Perhaps the way in which coaches get reputations as ones who cut and ones who don't shouldn't be based on whether or not they oversign, but rather whether or not they actually cut guys. 


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Squirrel Master's picture

I may not know the whole story but from what I have read and keep hearing is that its not who does it, because seriously most SEC coaches do it and many others, its that Saban somehow does it ALOT! Sometimes a player just doesn't cut it for the coach and if that player isn't willing to play ball or is refusing to do whatever, then the coach does what they can. Maybe its underhanded, maybe its not. Sometimes you have to fire someone who is just not working out, and do it for whatever reason. Saban probably has just cause for some of these, but why so often?

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Catch 5's picture

Well, you kinda make my point.  You say Saban does it a lot.  How so?  Yes, he oversigns a lot, but oversigning is not really hurtfull to the players in and of itself.  It is cutting players, forcing late greyshirts, and falsifying medical hardships that is wrong.  Where are the accusations from these cut players that Saban is doing all these things?  At most you can point to one guy in a WSJ article that says far less than what Thomas has said here, so why is Saban's reputation so much worse than Meyer's?  Or to that point Jim Tressel's?  JT had James Jackson come out and say he was told to leave, and he felt it was because OSU was oversigned (which was false).  If he had guys coming out saying they were cut, why not Saban - who supposedly does it so much more?  My point is that maybe we should form these reputations from actual events, not fan-based perception of rivals.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

Maestro's picture

Squirrel, don't take the bait.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Do run some kind of macro, where if any sites list keywords "oversigning" and "SEC," your computer gets an alert, sending you automatically into Bama/SEC cyber-defense mode? Do you get paid to perform these cyber defense duties on behalf of Oversigning, Inc., or is it strictly volunteer work? Personally, I feel that you should be compensated for your spamming . . . errr, I mean persistence.

Catch 5's picture

No.  I read 11W most every day as I find it a very informative site and as I have said before to this very question, I am seeking to expand my fan experience beyond the SEC.  For the most part I don't comment here as it is an OSU fan site and I have little to add to most subjects discussed since, as I mentioned, I am mostly learning about the particulars of this team/fanbase.  I do feel that I am at least partially knowledgable about the oversigning issue, and feel that the OSU fanbase's response to this article will be quite telling about their motives behind many of the negative views they lend toward Saban and the SEC.  Are you really against oversigning because you feel it screws the players, because it helps a rival team/conference build dominating teams, or because you just need a reason to ridicule said rival?  If you feel oversigning screws the kids, you cannot feel good about that article.

Make their asses quit! - Nick Saban

buckeye76BHop's picture

The article is bull shit and that's it! End of story...players are either good enough to play...or not. Despite what conference it is.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

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JakeBuckeye's picture

A season which ended so poorly has a somewhat happier ending.

You've got to be kidding me. The team made the Final freaking Four. This was the same team that everybody on here was crying out how we were going to be eliminated in the round of 32. Great season and a great ending.

buckeye76BHop's picture

Love your view points Danny (especially about OSU BBteam gaining better competition by Burke coming back and the new offense getting praise from players).  Now for the bad part...I read that BS article on SN and I'm SO glad you point out (unlike the idiot that wrote it) that this happens on every NCAA football team to a certain extent whether it be drug use to incentives or players that get favoritism (look at TCU and their pot situation...but you don't see much on that anymore or any other major CF scandal for that matter besides Ark and Petrino ridin dirty).  These guys at SN and Matt Hayes are on a smear campaign for no reason but to get their names out there and try to do what SI did to Tress.  Joke!  Glad you guys at 11W stayed classy and didn't draw any REAL conclusions based on previous players from FL with an ax to grind and a writer who wants to look like a supposed 3 month long investigation actual found anything.  Not to mention...look at what happened to OSU after Tress left...you can draw ALL kinds of assumptions from that.  As you could make assumptions about Meyer leaving and what then happened to FL afterwards.  OSU's football team needed a change and a change for the "better" is what it's going to get!  GO BUCKS!

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."

"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."

Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987 

FortMeyer's picture

OC Billy Gonzales released a statement calling the account in the Sporting News of attack by former player on him as "inaccurate. It didn't happen".  Along with David Nelsons recant of the story it is slowly being torn apart.