Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on February 14, 2012 at 6:00a
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Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

Recruiting season apparently never ends when you're Urban Frank Meyer. Seeing the talent he's already picked up for next year's recruiting class makes me feel like the future is bright.

So I say welcome, Billy Price, and all the great future prospects to come to play for this great university. Just know, due to lack of a bowl game next season, I eagerly await your freshman season and whatever bowl game you make it to.

Let's get moving, shall we:

MEYER WANTS SPEED. Stefon Diggs' decision to commit to the University of Maryland last week left head coach Urban Meyer facing a reality which may hurt the Buckeyes' offense this season.

As Tim May writes for the Columbus Dispatch, Ohio State's roster lacks speed on the offensive side of the ball, and that certainly hurts this team's chance of putting up numbers this season with a new head coach coming in.

Many believe that Meyer lacks that explosive play maker like he had with Percy Harvin in his days back at Florida. This roster, as it stands, by no means has that offensive player that you must have your eyes on at all times, with the exception of Braxton Miller, who is still developing.

Maybe Diggs would've been a speedy, outstanding play maker from day one as a Buckeye, but that doesn't matter anymore. The Buckeyes are going to have to develop the speedsters they currently have on offense if they want to be successful next season.

Jordan Hall and Corey Brown, as May points out, are two players to watch as Meyer looks for fast players on offense who can make a difference. Also, it's wouldn't be wise to forget about Devin Smith, Carlos Hyde, and even Jake Stoneburner as guys who can complement quarterback Braxton Miller and Meyer's new offensive scheme.

LIFE WITHOUT THREEBLER. Last year on the hardwood, the Buckeyes had a classic inside-outside offense which dominated opponents more often than not. This year is a different story.

The Buckeyes' front court still remains a dominant force. However, the magic from outside the arc, which Thad Matta's team thrived on last season, isn't the same this year.

Entering this season, the Buckeyes were expecting to lose some three-point shooting talent with the graduation of Jon Diebler, a 50% shooter from downtown his senior year. Additionally, senior David Lighty's 42% shooting from three was going to need to be replaced as well.

In their place, Aaron Craft, shooting 35% this season, and Deshaun Thomas, shooting 31% this season have done little to make people forget about the two seniors from last season. The one consistent shooter returning was Buford, who shot 44% last season, but his numbers have fallen as well, as he is shooting 37% this year.

While these numbers are alarming, Ohio State is still one of the top teams in the NCAA this season. But their loss of an outside shooting game is certainly nothing to be happy about. It also will put more pressure on Sully, Thomas, and Buford to score in the paint and mid-range areas.

This problem hasn't become apparent yet, but if teams have a game plan and play like Michigan State's last Saturday, the Buckeyes could be in trouble.

Say you dislike him to his face.

ST. JOHN TO REMAIN. Athletic Director Gene Smith says St. John Arena, home to OSU's volleyball, men's wrestling, and women's gymnastic teams, will be around for a few more years.

The indoor facility, which was built in 1956, will eventually be knocked down and replaced with a smaller facility that is more economically friendly to the university. According to the Columbus Dispatch, the area may be turned into housing and classrooms for students as the university continues to grow.

However, for the time being, Ohio State will continue to renovate the arena which once hosted Buckeye greats Jerry Lucas, Jon Havlicek, and Bob Knight until a final decision is made on the arena.

DISLIKE IS SUCH A STRONG WORD. A poll from ESPN's Brian Bennett asks who is the "most disliked coach in the Big Ten?"

The poll selects four B1G coaches in Wisconsin's Bret Bielema, Michigan State's Mark Dantonio, Michigan's Brady Hoke, and Ohio State's Urban Meyer. Meyer finished slightly ahead of Bielema for the Buckeye's first win over Wisconsin in the Urban Meyer era.

Personally, while Bennett puts the word dislike to describe how you feel about these coaches, he might have just as well put envy. These coaches are disliked so much because they are successful. If there's one thing to take away from this poll, it's that people fear Meyer and what he's going to turn this program into. I for one am fine with having the "most disliked coach in the Big Ten."

BUCKEYE HOOPS. After a close game against Purdue and an upset loss at home to end OSU's 39-game win streak at home to Michigan State, the Buckeyes dropped from #3 to #6 in this week's Coaches Poll.

The top five consists of #1 Kentucky, #2 Syracuse, #3 Missouri, #4 Duke, and #5 Kansas. Michigan State is the only other B1G school in the top 10 at #8.

This week, OSU will be playing on the road against the Minnesota Gophers at 9 tonight and agaisnt the Michigan Wolverines on Saturday.

LOS LINKS: The first super conference?... Butch Davis is back in the NFL... Shapiro continues to haunt Miami's dreams... Sandusky's former daughter in law will not let him see her children... Q&A with Nicki Meyer.

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Lucys Daddy is a Buckeye's picture

If they knock down St. John's Arena, the Skull Session will never be the same.  Is there any way to start a petition to save the place for this reason alone???

...And when we win the game, We'll buy a keg of booze....And we'll drink to old Ohio til we wobble in our shoes...

LadyBuck's picture

I don't know, but sign me up. I don't want to lose St. John's. It's housed so many greats, from bands to athletes. You can't go around knowcking down tradition and history. 

VestedInterest's picture

St. John  Arena, is in pretty bad shape. I recall looking over the plans for the area once it was taken down and there was an in depth breakdown of the issues St. John faced. Sagging foundation was of primary concern as I recall causing some entrances/exits to be un-usable. Restroom facilities I believe no longer met code requirements and there were significant concerns in regards to de-icing the roof. Hate like hell to see it go myself but the problems she faces are killers.

Ethos's picture

ack! don't link an 18meg file my work limits that stuff I almost lost internet privs lol

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BTwrestle04's picture

Over an 18mb file?! You have to be kidding me.

VestedInterest's picture

That is the file I was referencing though lol...yeah it's huge, but well worth the time at home if you want to know what will be happening on campus as time goes by.

cal3713's picture

The Horseshoe has grass in the report's renderings... I'd ask for my money back.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I still prefer the atmosphere St Johns provided to basketball games.

I think dislike is the correct way to describe my feelings toward Brett Bielema. There are coaches with more success that I respect who go about things the right way.

BTwrestle04's picture

Please don't disgrace my name like that. That man does not deserve two t's. His name is Bret Bielema, not Brett.

baddogmaine's picture

I'm going to believe that what Purdue did was an aberation. The Buckeyes do play defense and can stop the hi=gh ball screens that killed us. What MSU did is another problem altogether.

It has been a long time since OSU played Duke and FL, and in that long time we have played some decent but not strong teams. Our record, our statistics have been the product of a schedule that gets played up when its convenient (B1G best conference in the country) but who really thinks that Indiana, Illinois, Wisconson are tough tests? It may be a small number of teams that can expose us the way MSU did but the number is not one. And any team with a good coach and good athletes is going to believe that what MSU did can be repeated.

I have been saying for weeks that mid- to uptempo basketball when only three guys on the floor can score is not a great plan, because a guard that does not have to cover Smith at all, that does not have to stick with Craft outside, that can ignore whoever comes in off the bench is available to collapse on Sullinger. Without an outside game you kill the heart and the beast dies.

It seems to me there are two ways and only two ways to fix this. We can live with 55 points a game if we cut down possessions - play WIS basketball. We have better players than WIS so can do it better. But our guys have been allowed to play carelessly and getting our turnovers down to Badger proportions will not be easy. And that is not how Matta wants to play.

The only other choice is to develop not necessarily points but threat of points - to make the other team think that Smith, Craft, Scott, Ravanel will shoot if allowed to and will  make will make enough that their defenders can not automatically leave their guys to help on Sullinger. This is not going to happen by Matta just saying: you have green lights,fire away. Shots have to be made. As painful as this might be what gives us the best chance in March is taking some for the team now. Running offenses through the guys who have not been shooting. This probably means sitting Thomas becwuse I'm not sure he can execute a game plan that instructs him to pass, not shoot. But unless and until opponents feel that they need to defend every Buckeye on the floor teams with athletes will do what MSU did. It won't help us to spread the floor to pull defenders away - if defenders don't spread because they don't fear whoever they are supposed to be guarding we will have guys open from outside who won't shoot or can't make and Sullinger will continue to get surrounded.

And again, I think it is a bad idea to be blinded by our statistyics. What has happened so far in the year is a lot different from what we can expect in March. We're ready to compete in the Big Ten (for the most part), I don't think this team is tready to compete in the Big Dance.

Becomming so is do-able. I am not saying that I think we're doomed. I am saying that the loss of Dieber and Lighty means that Matta can not continue with an offense that is based on having Diebler and Lighty available unless and until he deveops guys who can provide at least a partial replacement for what Diebler and Lighty provided - the threat to score if not tightly guarded. Maybe IN and IL and even Purdue were flukes - MSU was no fluke. No one on MSU performed way above his head. Even Payne was taking good shots. They just carried out a game plan as a team. Our offense as it is presently constituted can be shut down. We need to become more diversified so we can make it harder for teams to collapse on Sullinger. We have a month to do it.

Squirrel Master's picture

Good morning Bad Dog! As someone once said to me, "You know you can write these huge long opinions on a blog post and not take up space in the comments section!"

just an FYI! I have no idea what you said because I have limited time in my life!

 

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VestedInterest's picture

If you've read one, you've read them all...

tl;dr

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Baddogmaine = the James Michener of 11W commenters.

baddogmaine's picture

Aww Squirrel, I'm touched that someone as busy as you took the time to leave me such a thoughtful respose. I'm honored. And the level of discourse in the comment section is improved too.

Squirrel Master's picture

lol. that is kind of the point. I am on here alot and still don't have time to read all that.

but A for effort!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

pcon258's picture

unlike everyone else, i have no real work to do, and read the whole thing. i have to agree. as hard as it is to criticize the polls when theyre giving us respect, i really dont know if we'd beat the kentucky's or syracuses of the world. we can bully the overwhelming majority of teams, but theres only so much sullinger can do by himself. i dont know who its gona be, but somebodys gota step up. if buford plays like he did in the second half of the purdue game, theres no stopping us

German Buckeye's picture

We project to be a #2 seed in the tourney now.  I'm ok with that.   I hope we go in hungry and take each and every game like we coudl lose.  I'll be happy with a Great 8 appearance. 

rider1's picture

     tOSU should keep Butch Davis on some kind of retainer to evaluate recruits. The guy is the BEST judge of high school talent as it translates into college and beyond that I have ever seen. Look how many players NC has had drafted in the 1st 2 rounds. That said, he could never get that talent to produce on Saturday when it matters. 

jfrank373's picture

I know Urban wants that "fly off the film screen" athlete, but I think there are a few on the team. Philly Brown (who is extremely fragile, hopefully Coach Mariotti can fix this) is a very accomplished track star, Jordan Hall has some serious allusiveness, and Devin Smith and Verlon Reed are both great athletes. 

Everyone is always talking about the next Percy Harvin but he is such a rare athlete it's like waiting for the next Dwayne Wade or Dwight Howard. There's only one that comes along in a few years, and hopefully you're lucky enough to get him on your team.

Kurt's picture

Agree.  Percy is a great athlete, but he wasn't a household name until Urban and Dan Mullen found creative ways to utilize him in their offense.  Urban and Tom Herman are surely strategizing ways to do the same with the Philly, Smith and Reed.  I'm not too worried, the system will make stars.

Jdadams01's picture

He wasn't that big a name? Huh? He was the #1 high school player in the country and made an impact his freshman year on a national championship team.

djidell's picture

According to Rivals Harvin was the #1 overall, Andre Smith #2 and Beanie Wells #3 in 2006 class.

Squirrel Master's picture

Plus I wouldn't leave out the possibility that Urban will reinvent the position to meet more of a power run spread like Ross pointed out using Bri'onte Dunn and Carlos Hyde. Warren Ball could be a factor as well. When Ross broke down how the running plays develop, I can see Dunn bustin it up the middle like Harvin did. Only difference would be that these guys couldn't run it out wide like Harvin did. So who knows. I do think Reed is an Xfactor.

Edit: Could use Dunn for up the middle then create a blocking scheme that would get Braxton to run out wide. It would be the opposite of Tebow and Harvin.

I also believe that Urban will talk with Belichick some this off-season and look at how NE used those 2 TEs. Could we possibly see Stoneburner and Heuerman being used like Gronk and Hernandez? If so, could that lead certain 5 star TEs to want to come to OSU? I like to think so!

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Jack Fu's picture

It's not just good shooting percentages that OSU lost in Diebler and Lighty - they were a gigantic reason why Sullinger was so effective last year. As Luke Winn pointed out, almost half the time Sullinger was fed the ball in a post-up situation, the pass came from Diebler. Why? In the Buckeyes' usual 1-4 set, a feed into Sullinger from Diebler on the wing, with the other three Bucks spread around the floor, put defenses into an untenable bind:

Consider an opposing team's options once the ball is fed inside:

1) Double-down off of Diebler, who (according to Synergy scouting data) scores at a 1.53 points-per-possession clip in unguarded catch-and-shoot situations.
2) Double-down off of Lighty, who scores 1.26 PPP in unguarded catch-and-shoot situations.
3) Run Lauderdale's man across the lane to seal off Sullinger's left shoulder ... leaving Lauderdale, a 1.70 PPP scorer at point-blank range, wide open.
4) Cover Sullinger one-on-one in the post, where he scores 1.12 PPP.

Unless your defense can recover in time not to leave Sullinger's teammates open after a double-team, the most efficient choice might just be to single-cover him in the post. When that's your best available option, you're not in great shape ... and now you can understand why the Buckeyes have the nation's No. 4-ranked offense.

Now I haven't seen these kind of number ran for this season's offensive personnel, but anectodally I would have to think that Smith, Craft, Buford and Thomas are not providing the long-distance threat that Diebler and Lighty (or last year's Buford - his 3P% is down 7 points from last year) represented. Teams are likely more willing to double Sullinger because they are not as afraid of getting burned by this year's perimeter guys as last year's. I haven't paid for a KenPom subscription this year, but it appears that Sully's facing more doubles and I would be willing to bet that his turnover percentage is up and his assist rate is down. In my opinion, that's a direct effect of not having Diebler and Lighty out there.

baddogmaine's picture

Thanks for this Jack Fu, it's good to see some analysis here, rather than just clever (and too often insulting) quips. I have stated that given our play level at this time Matta has two choices to improve our chances in March: reduce the number of points we need to win by slowing tempo, or trying to develop players other than Thomas, Buford Sullinger as scorers, precisely to take pressure off Sully.I'm also on record as saying that we will struggle in March unless we do change/ improve. What's your feeling?

Tommy's picture

You keep saying we should slow tempo to reduce the number of points we need to win, but unless slowing the tempo causes us to become more efficient and raises our points per possession, this will do absolutely nothing.

Against Mich St we scored 48 pts in approx 64 possessions (per kenpom) for .75 PPP.  Say we had successfully slowed the tempo to create only 58 possessions, we would have been expected to score only 43 or 44 pts total.

In order for a change in tempo to make any difference, it would have to lead to a fundamental change in something else that would in turn change our, or our opponents, PPP.

BuddhaBuck's picture

Vacancy in the Speed Department - "My fast is faster than your fast". If only guys like James Jackson, James Louis (twitter!!) and Jamaal Berry could have somehow stuck around. Hopefully we'll see the lightbulb go on for Philly Brown.. and then there's that new guy, Riquan Southward... I'm also guessing that Pantoni is making the boys faster as we speak... 

Urban Jealousy - "If people are trying to bring you down, it only means that you're above them." And he hasn't even coached a game in S&G yet. Amazing.

The Threebler - can Matta somehow recruit him for March Madness?

Stuck to the Bench - I know I'm not the only one who's wondering where Amir Williams (a real 6'10" long player) was vs. MSU. While inexperienced, his size alone would have been better served against Payne. Unfortunately, he sits at a mere (pun intended) 5'0" when glued to a chair. You gotta give him reps when it doesn't count (February), so he can contribute when it does count (March/April 2nd).

Also, welcome Billy Price. 

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BTwrestle04's picture

How exactly would Pantoni be making them faster? You mean Marotti?

BuddhaBuck's picture

Ha, yes. Marotti. I must have wrote Pantoni because I started following him on Twitter. Oops.

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ChicagoBuck's picture

Pantoni's database is magic.  I creates 40 times rather than records them.  Now you know why Urban values Pantoni so much. 

superbuck's picture

Got a question? What did Diggs see at Maryland ? Their QB is transfering and two other players are also leaving. All were starters last year. Can't figure this out does not seem like a great future in

maryland.

OH-IO

Baroclinicity's picture

From what I hear, Maryland is pretty close to home.  Could be wrong... anyone out there, feel free to correct...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Denny's picture

His high school is about 10 miles from UMD's campus; it's close to home. I have no clue how Edsall is going to take advantage of his athleticism (vanilla playcalling), but it's often hard to out-do the draw of home.

Dear lord is College Park a depressing campus town though.

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cplunk's picture

I live in DC- Maryland is about ten minutes from his high school. Plus his two best friends from his high school team both also committed there. Couple that with the fact that Maryland has put several wide receivers and tight ends into the NFL and it makes a degree of sense. 

Buckeye in Athens's picture

On the currrent roster, I really think it'll have to be Philly Brown and Devin Smith as "the speed guys". 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

No offense to the writers on this site, but quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of the Percy Harvin comparison for every single player on the Buckeye's squad.  So what, we don't have a person that possess that type of lightening fast break away speed.  That doesn't mean our offense is going to suck ass all year or until we do.  We still have quite a bunch of players that do have enough speed to inflict leathal wounds to the opponent.  How about we focus on what we do have instead of bemoaning there are no Percy Harvin's on the team yet. 

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VestedInterest's picture

Yeah I have to agree. Felt this way for awhile (since Diggs decided to stay home) so what, we didn't get him, we'll be fine. But I swear to little baby Jesus himself, one more reminder that we don't appear to have "that guy" may result in pea soup projectile vomitting.

William's picture

We actually have two guys on offense with some serious speed. Devin Smith and Corey Brown. Missing out on Diggs blew, but we have two guys that are just as athletic on our roster. Corey Brown ran a 10.4 in the 100, and Devin Smith was a state champ in the long jump.

btalbert25's picture

The writers bring it up because Urban brings it up.  Is there speed on this team?  Absolutely.  Is it enough for the 2012 schedule?  Probably so.  He needs that great athlete for a national title run though.  Did you see the game when Florida beat Oklahoma in the national title game?  Tebow got the MVP, but Harvin is the reason they won.  There was no answer for him on the field.  He would get the ball and Oklahoma couldn't stop him.  It's no surprise that once he left Florida the team fell off a bit.  Sure they were good in 2009, but they were missing a little something.  They were BCS good, but not national title good, and we've seen that a lot in Columbus.  He may be just as responisble for the legend of Tim Tebow, as Tim Tebow is.  Without Harvin, they were just another good team.

As I said there is enough talent to win the B1G, but that's not what Urban and many of us want.  There are definitely playmakers on this team, but there's not just one guy who every time he touches the ball has a chance to burn the other team.   That's what Urban wants, and that's what it'll take to go play Bama in the title game and beat them.

hodge's picture

Amen, brother.  I'll drink to that.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I get the impacts, I'm just tired of the constant references to it affixed to the idea that we can't win a title without a Percy Harvin, which I think is a bullshit argument.  I could be wrong, but I really didn't see that type of player on either LSU or Alabama.  What I did see is a stiffling defense and an offense that did enough to win the games because of smart play calling, fundamentally sound football, and limiting the mistakes. 

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

See I think you need a player like that to keep an elite defense honest.  Ohio State is going to have the incredible defense, the 2012 recruiting class and the start of the 2013 class.  Set up an offense that has an elite playmaker and all the sudden, it's a whole different ball game.  Why not have 2 elite units instead of just one.  Both teams in the title game were extremely good on 1 side of the ball, and average on the other side.

William's picture

Btalbert, I think you're going to see that with the 2013 class. The 2012 class was stellar defensively and the 2013 class may very well be stellar offensively with Marshall, and possibly Foster, Breneman, Zaire, Green, and Trubsiky. These two classes will put us in national title contention in two years, along with the stellar 2011 class.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'm not arguing against having a few of those players on our team - what I am trying to say is that is not an absolute requirement to win a title - please see team from 2001 - 2002 season.  We will have the overall talent, especially on defense to crush anything the opposing team throws out there offensively.  As it stands now, we will also have a fairly decent level of talent on the offensive side as well.  Throw in a great coaching and conditioning staff, a very good offensive game plan and we will certainly be in the title conversation - with or without a game breaker on the field.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

I totally get what you are saying.  I would like to see Meyer get the tools he wants so he can get the team in place he wants.  That's all.  He's a perfectionist, I want to see him get all the tools he needs for perfection lol. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

And I hear you, too, but it's also possible for an offense to reach a very high level without having a Harvin-esque freak of nature.

Except for when Reggie Bush was there, several of the Pete Carroll offenses at USC didn't have a flat-out unstoppable playmaker. Obviously, they recruited very well overall, so they tended to rely on having a stable of tall WRs who ran great routes, excellent OLs, and accurate (but not spectacular) QBs, etc.

The 2010 Stanford offense was devastating without a freakish playmaker.

Heck, Urban Meyer's 2004 Utah offense was pretty darn effective. A few years later, when the last remants of Meyer's Utah players were seniors, 2007 Utah sliced and diced Bama's defense in the 2008 Sugar Bowl.

Off the top of my head, other notable offenses that had no dynamic playmakers: ILL in 1999 and 2001; Michigan 2003; Texas 2009; Kansas 2007 . . .  

btalbert25's picture

I can agree with that.  I also think there were several Ohio State teams that if they just had one more piece they would've been legit BCS title contenders.  The team that beat Arkansas and the team the won the Rose Bowl were very good teams, but could you imagine either of those teams with a really dynamic threat.  Of course, he probably would've been underutilized in the offense that Tressel and Bollman liked to run, but honestly since Ted Ginn have we ever really h ad a player who could take it to the house every time he touched the ball?  Teddy could score on an end around, screen pass, kickoff, punt return, running Shot Ginn, and going deep down field.  Granted he never won a BCS title either, just makes a team really dangerous when they always have that homerun threat. Maybe TP was that player, but he wasn't used that way. 

I don't think we are really in disagreement here.  It's definitely not neccessary to have that guy to win a title, but it doesn't hurt.

PharmBuck's picture

Jalin Marshall

"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again," said Meyer. "Do it a little harder next time."

Rooster Buckburn's picture

Wonder if there might be any thoughts about getting Kenny G on the field in another skill position besides QB?

Doc's picture

Rooster, this is way off topic, but I saw a early '80's Honda this morning with a very faded Reagan bumper sticker on it.  The Gipper lives on!

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ChicagoBuck's picture

We are too thin at QB to try this.  You can't risk injuries at a position that is paper thin. 

Bam_Childress's picture

we have track guys on our team with elite speed, but can they translate that speed to the football field?  So far I havent seen it,  but maybe meyer and co. can change that!

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William's picture

Corey Brown has burned defensive backs on several occasions, it's just been a matter of whether he actually could catch the ball.

btalbert25's picture

It's more than just burning DB's though.  Many WR's are fast enough to run past a CB.  It's about being extremely fast and being shifty.  Harvin could take a hand off, catch a screen pass, or go down field.  He had the ability to run past guys and also make them miss.  No questions Smith and Brown are fast, but are they the kind of athlete that Harvin was is the question. Jordan Hall has that shifty, elusive quality but not that speed, other guys have the speed but not the elusive quality.  So it's not just as easy as well that guy runs track he's really fast. 

When I think of a Harvin type of athlete playing college football today, I think of the kid from Oregon they call the Black Mamba.  Dude is unreal.  That's the kind of player Urban is after, watch some of his highlights and tell me there is a person on the Buckeyes even close to that kind of weapon.

Squirrel Master's picture

You talking about De'Anthony Thomas at Oregon? Dude is fast but we'll see this year how he holds up to a much larger work load now that James and Thomas (QB) are gone.

You are right, Harvin wasn't just fast. He was elusive and actually very strong. Hall has all the skills, maybe the trainers can get him a bit faster. I also like what I hear about Dunn having good vision and a decent burst. Make him faster and we could have a large bowling ball version of Harvin.

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btalbert25's picture

I knew his last name was Thomas but couldn't remember the first name.  Anyway, every time he touches the ball there's a chance he's going 20-90 yards for a TD.  That's all I mean.  I don't think there is a guy on Ohio State like that.  I haven't seen the tape on Marshall but I trust the opinion of Alex and he seems to be very high on him.  He'll probably be that player.

Squirrel Master's picture

I would like to have that type of speed but not with every player. Only issue I had with Oregon is they had no strength. When they ended up in a beat down with a tough team, they struggled. I think 2 years ago that player was Legarette Blount but we all know what happened there. They have ridiculous speed but no real power to balance. Urban will have balance. I see that with the recommitment of Dunn!

I really like the base the buckeyes have with a good combination of decent speed and power. Throw in Jalin Marshall and could be looking at a very explosive team in all facets.

above the arguement is about Percy Harvin "types". In reality, whether there is a future Harvin type coming to this team, the current talent will look vastly different than it did before under Bollman. You will see the rebirth of players who we have been previously disappointed with. This I do know! So speed or not, what is there will produce a world better than last year.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

I don't really think it needs to be every position on the field with elite speed, but I definitely think a player or 2 with that type of explosiveness would be a nice compliment with physical and tough players the team has as well.  

Squirrel Master's picture

exactly. Oregon is all speed, no power. They try to kill you with speed and most of the time it does work. but I would like some of that speed with the power OSU does have. I think it will be a lethal combo.

many talk about the tag for power RB and scat RB as "lightning and thunder". Why not have that as the motto for the whole offense?

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

I think if you look at what Urban was able to do in Florida that's what they were able to do.  You had a speed guy like Harvin(though I'd say he was a unique combo of both) and nasty physical players in the trenches and at QB for that matter.  Oregon is definitely a speed/Finesse team, which is great to have, but yeah lets have a little thunder to go with it. 

Squirrel Master's picture

great point. Yes Florida had Harvin but they also had Tebow. Would you agree that maybe we already have that Harvin type in Braxton Miller? Then we would actually need a Tebow type, not a Harvin type.

Think of it like this way, Florida had an inside power runner in Tebow then the burner hybrid in Harvin. Ohio State has inside power with runners Hyde, Dunn and Ball ala Tebow. Braxton could be the burner hybrid ala Harvin only from the QB position. When you are talking about a running attack, they both can meld into those 2 position quite easily. Passing is where things change a bit but that is Urban's job to develop. I really believe the tools are there. I also believe those tools are shiny and new because they were barely even used last year.

and my point only goes so far in regards to 2012. 2013 will be totally different once Marshall and others show up.

It is a bit funny but for once I have not even had a thought for a week or so about the Defense, until now. That line is going to wreck havoc. The offense may not need to go 90 yards that often.

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Yeah I can see that happening.  Only think I worry about is the  "lightening" being the QB.  A bigger QB like Tebow could take all those hits and bounce back.  I fear that Braxton may not fare so well.  Then again he took a lot of hits last season and seemed to be alright mostly.

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The damage and hits Braxton took last season can be DIRECTLY related to Jim Bollman's ridiculously conservative and amazingly easy to predict play calling - not to mention his pathetic job at OL coach!  That will no longer be the case this year and Braxton will most certainly have the advantage of, dare I say it, the unknown of what play is coming next on his side!  I doubt if Braxton takes the punishment he did last year!

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Braxton can't get hurt if all we run is Dave.

 

Bollman's song:

All we run is Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave, Dave

No matter what.

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VestedInterest's picture

Let's not forget that UFM is not Rich fricken' Rodriguez who consistently tried to pound square pegs into round holes...

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If the B1G team fans already hate Uncle Urbz now, I can only imagine how much they will hate hime when he starts destroying them on the recruiting trail AND the gridiron...

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I know there's been some clammoring for Amir Williams to get int he game over other options(mainly Ravanel) , and as much as I'd liek to see that, something leeds me to believe that he's not ready. Obviously the coaches see him in practice every day, and they see the other guys and they leave him on the bench. I'm wondering what he's missing. Not many McDonald's All Americans ride the pine though...

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Squirrel Master's picture

either him or at least Ravanel! My perspective is they need to have a big man at the center position so that Sullinger can move over to his natural position of forward. Thomas is obviously better than Ravanel and Williams but it doesn't help when Sullinger is the only big man presence. That is how sullinger was more effect last year with Lauderdale. It is also how I see teams dragging sullinger out away from the basket so they have clear lanes to the hoop. Thomas is not going to stop anyone from coming at the basket. He just is not that good on defense. I just find it hard to believe Amir would not be better on defense and rebounding than Thomas.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Williams, although young, has to be be at least as good as Lauderdale on the court.  Who would he start over, Smith? 

Ravanel doesn't do it for me... he's not a center either and I don't think team would have to honor his post game. Last thing we need is a guy that they dont have to defend, and can double down on Sullinger without any sort of fear of the open man burning them.

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Squirrel Master's picture

yeah, I can agree with that. and I do think either Ravanel or Williams would be more of a liability on offense compared to Thomas.

I just think that this team is struggling on offense but not because of play at the post. It is all perimeter. So taking Thomas out would really not be that much of a detriment to the offense. Williams would be a huge boost to the defense and that is what is a big problem.

and not sure about you but my suggestions are for a change up to at least start the game. Amir doesn't have to get more minutes than Thomas. Just more minutes period! Shake it up a bit right?

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Thomas needs to be on the floor because the other team has to honor his offensive game. Smith has proven to be effective, when left alone but that's streaky at best. I think Williams would play ahead of Smith in a true C, PF, SF, SG, PG scheme.

 

The one thing i LOVE about Smith is his effort. He never gives up on a play. Ultimately I think that's why he's starting.

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Last year we usually played 95% of the game with Craft not Lauderdal anyway.  I think it is time for our shooters to get a run, Sibert or Ross.  I know they are probably not good enough on defense but at this point we can just stick them on the team's worst guard and let them go.  For me, the answer to this team's shooting woes is not on the floor.

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

you're not saying that they play over Craft, are you? I mean, he's crafty.

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Thad Matta's Buckeyes have won the regular season B1G title 4 of the last 6 seasons, including the last two years, but they've also had two consequetive Sweet 16 exits. At this point, winning the B1G title is alright - but they've kinda been there, done that . . .

So, last week, I was pissed off by the woeful performances against Purdue and MSU, but now I figure, hey, they might as well find out what they're made of. If they can't fight through this adversity, get mentally tougher, figure out how they're going to attack the better defenses with this 2012 offensive mix (2011 is history), it wasn't ever going to matter, anyway.

I really have no idea whether they'll get there this season, but at least we won't get blindsided like last year. Either they don't mid getting called pu--ies by the other team, or they man up. There's really nothing to lose at this point except their pride. If they come back angry, motivated, and focused, but come up just short in the NCAA tourney, then they'll have lost something. But, right now, this team isn't laying enough on the line for us or them to be fully emotionally invested in the final outcome.      

SCBuckeye's picture

I may be mistaken, but didn't Carlos Hyde have a lot of break-away speed? Also, good hands and size? It will be interesting to see how he develops this year.

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SCBuckeye's picture

He was also developing very quickly until the twiiter incident.

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Doc's picture

What twitter incident.  I dont follow it so I'm outta da loop.

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bassplayer7770's picture

I believe he tweeted about not getting enough playing time or something to that effect...

btalbert25's picture

I think the Illinois game he got what 2 touches and they didn't come until late in the game.  He Tweeted out of frustration.  I don't think his development had much to do with that so much as they coaching staff reduced his role and leaned on Boom and Hall more. 

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http://whynoplayoffs.com/audio/BNFRR21312.mp3

this is a bucknuts radio show, and in it, ryan shazier, the guy who averaged ten tackles a game for the last 4 games of the year, said "i feel like i missed alot of tackles and reads." this kid is gona be a beast

 

 

sorry for the completely unrelated post

nickma71's picture

He went for two against Minnesota. It isn't as though he was responding to "get used to it". His real last name is Massengill. He had it legaly changed.