Monday Skull Session

By Jason Priestas on February 13, 2012 at 6:00a
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Good morning, you charismatic, intelligent and better-than-average looking reader of this fine site. Still smarting from the thumping on Saturday, are we?

Look, I am, too. That was the the worst forty minutes of basketball we've seen from a Thad Matta team in a long time. Matta's teams just don't get dominated, but make no mistake, they were dominated by Michigan State.

It didn't help having Dayton native Adreian Payne go off for his annual WRECK-RIMS-IN-HIS-HOME-STATE performance (15 points on 6/6 shooting in just 20 minutes of action), but what won this game for the Spartans was their defensive effort.

As The Only Colors points out, the Buckeyes had not been held below 42% eFG in any game this season and Izzo's squad held them to 28.3%.

Ultimately, this is just a tough loss to a good basketball team. Sparty dropped some early games, but how many of you would be surprised to see Tom Izzo's team in another Final Four?

It's also a teaching moment for Matta. This team clearly misses Diebler and Lighty and must play unselfishly if they are to beat elite teams later in the season. I believe this is still a very good team that will do some damage in the tournament.

As long as they don't run into Kentucky, that is. Billy Donovan's Florida team has played Kentucky, Syracuse and Ohio State -- all on the road -- and he sees a UK/Orange final. Until Jared Sullinger can get into a groove, I have to agree with him.

Kentucky's Anthony Davis -- much like Michigan State's Payne -- is the type of player that may give Sullinger fits on both ends of the court. These athletic bigs also foreshadow a problem Sullinger may run into when he takes his game to the NBA. He's too small to play 5 and not agile enough to play 4 at that level1. Then again, Kevin Love is playing pretty solid ball for the Timberwolves, so what do I know.

LINING UP NICELY. The Buffalo Bulls have filled the open date on the 2013 schedule, setting up the first-ever meeting between the two schools, which will net Buffalo a cool million and Buckeye fans an excuse to finally go with the all-wings tailgate spread.

The Bulls have been a hot mess, going 5-19 in the two seasons since Turner Gill departed for the Kansas, but it is worth pointing out that they put up nine more points on Akron than Ohio State did last year.

2013 is the year most of us are eyeing as Meyer's first good shot at a national championship in Columbus. The talent will be in place/matured, it would fit his theme of doing great things in his second year on the job2 and the schedule lines up perfectly.

The Buckeyes get three cupcake out-of-conference games (Vanderbilt, Florida A&M and Buffalo) in Ohio Stadium, Wisconsin, Iowa and Penn State at home with just the House of Horrors that is Purdue's Ross-Ade Stadium and a trip to the Big House to end the season as the only true road tests.

Conversely, 2014 is looking burly. Flip the home/road conference games from 2013 and then replace Cal and three patsies with Navy (in Baltimore), Kent State, Virginia Tech and Cincinnati. True, Kent State is nothing to get worried about and three of the out-of-conference games will be played in Columbus, but how many years do you see Ohio State playing three BCS conference schools before league action begins?

PAIN IS JUST MISSED TACKLES LEAVING THE BODY. Judging by player Twitter activity, it looks like Mickey Marotti's beast factory is working just fine in Columbus:

Excellent.

 A PERIODICALLY ACCURATE NETWORK APPROVES OF THE MEYER HIRE . The college football masterminds at CBS have named Urban Meyer the top new coaching hire of this offseason.

In a bit of a surprise, Arizona's Rich Rodriguez edged out Washington State's Mike Leach for second place on the list, but that's nothing compared to the one pundit at CBS that voted Meyer "Most Likely to Fail".

Given that it's CBS, it's hard to tell who that one voter may have been. Was it the Buckeye-hating, super troll Brett McMurphy? Or maybe it was the guy that's bad at looking things up (the SEC was 29-27-1 in bowls against the B1G at the time of that tweet, since deleted). Or maybe it was the guy that struggles with reading comprehension.

There are a handful of guys that will win wherever they go. Jimmy Johnson was certainly one. Nick Saban qualifies. And you can add Urban Meyer to that list.

Considering the name and resources behind Ohio State, Meyer will only fail in Columbus if your definition of failure is back-to-back-to-back national championships out of the gate. But then you'd be crazy and nobody would take what you had to say seriously.

DOC TRESSEL FINDS A HOME. Former Buckeye running backs coach Dick Tressel -- older brother of James Patrick Tressel -- was hired as the offensive coordinator at Carleton College in Northfield, MN. 

Just a few months ago, a columnist reporting from a laptop in his basement speculated that Doc could be heading towards retirement, so it's nice to see he'll have an opportunity to continue coaching. Before joining his brother in Columbus, he was the longtime coach of Hamline University in St. Paul and still has family up there, so it appears to be a win-win.

FOR ONE DAY ONLY, YOUR 100% LINSANITY LINKS: Comments some Knicks fans wish they could take back... One NBA draft analyst called it... Carmelo who? Yes, that was an extremely insensitive show of support on Friday night... Jason Whitlock goes full racist... And later apologizes... Finally, Metta World Peace with some words of advice for Lin.

  • 1 While it's long been a foregone conclusion that Sullinger is NBA-bound after this season, we're hearing that there's a slight chance he could return for his junior year. Not enough of a chance to bet the house on, but more of a chance than there was at the start of this season.
  • 2 Bowling Green (2002): 9-3; Utah (2004): 12-0 and a Fiesta Bowl win; Florida (2006): 13-1 and a SEC and national championship (you may remember that game).
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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I still have high hopes,for this team. They need to get hot near the end and keep it.

The distance from Love to Sully appears to be huge to me. Love's game has more depth. Sully seems limited.

I want to be excited about the workout comments but dont the players always post comments like this?

Defend Youngstown's picture

Being intimately familiar with the strength and conditioning world, I can tell you for certain that what Marotti does is a lot more intense than what used to go on. Not that Lichter was necessarily bad to begin with. It's going to be a rough February for the boys.

DJ Byrnes's picture

Let's remember though, Kevin Love is the best power forward in the game today. 

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German Buckeye's picture

Kevin Love is a legit 6'10, 260lbs.  I seriously doubt that Sully is 6'9.  From what I can see on TV, he's probably closer to 6'7.5 to 6'8.  Is two inches a big difference at theat level?  Don't know.  I'm only 5'9 but I can guard guys 2-3 inches taller pretty well.  I have decent hops though for my height.  Sully doesnt appear to have an explosive leap. 

I'll be happy for a Sweet 16 again with this roster. 

Squirrel Master's picture

When it comes to Sully, only thing I am going to say is Charles Barkley is barely 6'8''. Sully reminds me alot of him and if he can get a sweet 3 point stroke like Charles then he will be solid in the NBA.

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SPreston2001's picture

Barkely was alot meaner and strong in the paint. Sully doesnt seem to play with that dominating force that Barkley did. Sully reminds me of Glen "Big Baby" Davis with a little less athleticism. 

Squirrel Master's picture

no way is sully like Big Baby. First of all, yes big baby is more athletic but he doesn't have half the offense sully has. Sully is very sound with his moves like Barkley. Second, Big baby does not rebound very well. Sully is an excellent rebounder and great at boxing outs. Big baby rarely if ever tries a 3 pointer. Like Barkley, I think sully can be efficient at the 3 to make it a weapon!

Seriously, I may be a homer and think Sully is going to play well in the NBA but even experts who take fandom out of the equation will say you are way off. Especially if you compare the 2 when they are both in college. Davis wasn't even the best player for LSU at the time and Sully is a National player of the year candidate.

in regards to Barkley vs Sully, Barkley was a very mean player. Fouled alot! Sully can be aggressive without having to resort to anger. Plus the NBA is different now. Aggressive but not angry is how the game is. Look at Cousins in Sacramento. The guy gets in trouble when he lets his anger take control. Sully just needs to keep expanding his game for a PF role and not get stuck being a center. If you do think he will be a center then I can see why you would think he won't succeed. NBA is a different league and guys who are not natural fits can succeed. Just look at the recent examples, D.Wade, D. Blair, Chuck Hayes, Dirk Nowitski (a guy who has revolutionized the 7 footer).

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Charles is 6'4", which makes him all the more amazing.

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BuddhaBuck's picture

<Angry Asian Man>

Congratulations to Knicks fans for being racist and for Jason Whitlock on being a giant piece (or splatter) of santorum. The "apology" was weak and he should be fired for his original comment.   

</Angry Asian Man>

Two glaring deficiencies were brought to light on Saturday (1) tOSU b-ball has no reliable 3-point shooters and (2) no one to penetrate to the basket with any real consistency. I agree with Jason, unless something changes, UK and Syracuse (and any other long, athletic teams: i.e. Kansas, Baylor, Missouri, UNC) will eat this team for lunch.

 

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Irricoir's picture

I think that his apology appeared sincere. It actually was one of the better genuine apologies I can remember. If you can't look past a man's mistakes and see him in his humility, if he garners no forgiveness from you then I ask, how will you be judged? You may not make a similar mistake but we are are prone to things we wish we could do or say differently.

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BuddhaBuck's picture

A more sincere apology would have been a tweet @JLin7. How about that?

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Denny's picture

A tweet to the guy doesn't really do a whole lot (w/r/t signal-to-noise). A column or in-person apology would do much more.

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flipbuckeye's picture

Easy to be apologetic and humble when the axe starts swinging.

William's picture

Agreed. Whitlock raised hell about Don Imus's comments, but then he goes and spouts off this garbage. The man should be fired for his utter ignorance.

TheHostileDwarf's picture

Hard to take your offense seriously when you use quite an offensive political epithet yourself.

BuddhaBuck's picture

Would you have preferred I just wrote "piece of sh|t"? or classed it up and just called him a fcuk face?

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pompano buckeye's picture

What a stinking, fly-crawlin', maggot-eatin', pile of BUDDHABUCK!  Keep your unnecessary, unwanted, and unwarranted political- point-of-view comments to yourself.  Your BBall comments, however, were okay.

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BuddhaBuck's picture

Since I can't edit my original entry, I'll just use the following:

piece (or splatter) of santoruc replace with: fcuk face.

Did not intend this to be political. Sorry @HostileDward @PompanoBuckeye and any other 11W readers. #RealApology

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pompano buckeye's picture

Accepted.  (Now, see? The rest of the blog-o-sphere can take us fine folks here at DubYa World as fine examples of how the give-and-take of minor disagreements should be handled!)

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BuddhaBuck's picture

#GoodPoint Apparently I woke up on the wrong side of the bed. #LoveMondays

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Jason Priestas's picture

Thanks for handling this "in-house". As always, 11W is a politics-free zone.

BuddhaBuck's picture

Dually noted Jason. It won't happen again.

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AcrossTheField11's picture

Sully looks soft on offense and defense.  He shined last year much in part to the outside shooting of diebler and slashing ability of lighty.  Teams this year can focus much of their attention on stopping Sully so in games where the rest of the crew don't show up, we're fighting a n uphill battle.  I hate to say it, but him not leaving after last year hurt his draft stock considerably (see Jake Locker).

Furthermore, regardless of his career numbers and his game against Purdue last week, can we all agree that unless Buford does something heroic during the tournament that he's been a pretty big disappointment? 

Here's to hoping Matta can get this thing under control in the next month so we can hopefully be watching a team that might do some damage in the tournament because right now I see them getting bounced in the sweet 16. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Normal Buck's picture

Wasn't Jake Locker a high first round pick?

AcrossTheField11's picture

Locker went 8 overall.  If he'd have left after his junior year he was all but a lock for the #1 pick.  Sully will still probably go top 10 overall but last year he was looking more like a top 3 pick. 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

VestedInterest's picture

With the impending lockout, he didn't realistically have much of a choice, he made the right move imo.

TheHostileDwarf's picture

I believe Cal is a road game in 2013, home in 2012.

JLP36's picture

Was Carlos Hyde a redshirt frosh last season or a soph?  Thought he was a frosh, but keep seeing him referred to as a JR for next year?  sorry to be off topic

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Maestro's picture

Went to Fork Union, enrolled in Jan 2010, played some in 2010 as a freshman.  Is a Junior next seasonl.

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JLP36's picture

Time flies, I guess

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

That was one of the most painful basketball games to watch.  Frankly, I only got through 3/4 of it before I had to go to a funeral, and I didn't even bother to watch the last 10 minutes when I got home.  I didn't feel like ruining the mood from being at a funeral house for 2 straight hours.  If they bring that game to the tourney, they'll be lucky to make it out of the 1st round.

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btalbert25's picture

I don't think Sullinger looks soft.  He's in there banging around all game long, I think why he's not as good as last year is because there's no one else that is a legit threat every night.  Diebs was going to hit a 3 if he had the shot last year, defenses had to keep him honest.  Lighty at times was able to step up and go off at times.  Bufford was a consistent threat last year too.  SO the defenses had to keep honest.  Who consistently poses a threat to the other team that draws defenders away from the middle?  Nobody.

Also, this year kind of suckes for Sully because it was supposed to be the year where he was able to be more of a 4.  Remember, he came back for that purpose.  Things were looking like Amir and maybe Raveneau would be able to play down low and Sully wouldn't be so much of a post player.  Well that hasn't panned out either, and neither guy has stepped up despite plenty of opportunity.  Sully Reminds me a lot of Patrick Patterson who played at UK a couple years back.  During the 2 seasons with Gillesspie he was a post player, who certainly was undersized to do so the next year.  The guy had the talent to be potentially the next Jamal Mashburn at UK.  He could hit jumpers, he could post up, he could even drive to the basket a little bit.  His talent was never realized until his last year when Calipari took over.  I was hoping to see a little more of that out of Sully this year, but it appears that either Thad wouldn't do it, or there was no one worthy of playing center full time for Sully to not be on the post all the time.

Baroclinicity's picture

I don't get to watch all of the games, but I thought Amir looked pretty good in the games I have seen him play in.  Have I missed something with him?

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btalbert25's picture

I was under the impression he was going to come in and be a factor though, like playing center all year and Sully was going to be more of a 4.  There are some games where I don't recall Amir getting any minutes at all or if he does they are minimal.

Squirrel Master's picture

Matta's shortening of the bench has been a head scratcher, not that its unusual. I just don't know why when there is an obvious problem that he doesn't try to correct it with that bench. Amir Williams played really well the last time he got significant minutes. Granted it was against an unranked team but he had a nice nasty streak going. I am with you, I don't see why Thomas is that much better to keep Sully out of position than move him to the 4 and Amir at the 5. or even Ravenel, but I think talent wise Amir is becoming a stronger player and has the height.

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btalbert25's picture

How tough must a workout be, though, if guys who are clearly in pretty darn good shape already are getting beat up right now.  I remember when a Mc Donald's All American basketball player transferred to Louisville and Pitino told him you are too fat and too slow to play for me.  The first day Pitino put him on a treadmill for 2 hours.  The guy said right then and there I thought oh man what have I gotten myself into here.  Amazing how a player could come from and elite school, transfer elsewhere and be told he wasn't in basketball playing shape lol. 

That's great though, come the 4th quarter where the other team is tired and struggling, the Buckeyes will still be fresh and pounding the other team into submission.

bassplayer7770's picture

Amen to that last sentence.

German Buckeye's picture

So anyone who attends the games have an idea on Sully's actual height?  Don't most programs inflate the roster sizes (i.e. Tyrelle Pryor was listed as 6'6 for over 3 years and once measured indpendently, came in at an actual 6'4).   Doubt Sully is 6'9.... 

ArTbkward's picture

Based on nothing aside from my own opinion, I always assume everyone's roster is inflated by 1-2" per player which means the actual height difference between players is essentially correct.

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Baroclinicity's picture

I remember Charles Barkley was always listed at 6'8", and he was like 6'4" or something like that.

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btalbert25's picture

I'm not sure how the basketball guys come up with their size, but I have a buddy who works for the Bengals and he swears the football heights are off because they measure them in their cleats.  He said it sounds funny but the guys are noticably shorter with their spikes off.

SPreston2001's picture

I dunno Ive seen TP from about 5ft away and he looked every bit of 6'6. Im 6'3 and looked to have me by a few inches. Also I was at the spring game last year when he didnt dress and I swear the dude can play TE at the NFL level. TP was a freak of nature...

Buckeyejason's picture

If You look at the team photos from 2008, Pryor is standing right next to Todd Boekman and looks a Tad bit shorter than him..Boeckman was measured a hair under 6'5 I believe.

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Buckeyejason's picture

All these guys are usually listed 1-2 inches taller than they really are...except some cases they get listed shorter like Daryl Baldwin who is listed at 6'4"...and Is clearly about 6'6"

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costinjr's picture

to anyone who watched that video..."Boom!"

ArTbkward's picture

The '13 schedule certainly does look ripe for the picking.  As head coach, Meyer has never played in Ross-Ade Stadium so I think the era of mustache domination comes to a close.

I'm also very excited about some of the upcoming out-of-conference away games.  '13 Cal, '14 Navy in Baltimore, '16 in Oklahoma, '17 in North Carolina.  I love trying to get to these games to get a taste of a football Saturday outside the B1G.  I went to the UW game in Seattle in '07 and had great time, people couldn't believe we would fly from Ohio to Washington for a football game.

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

The team, overall, just looked terrible on Saturday.  Every team has a bad game(s).  A perfect example of this is North Carolina.  They got humbled by FSU and then lost at the buzzer to Autsin Rivers and Duke (who we THUMPED at home BTW).  And I am sure they will make a typical UNC Final Four run.  As the original post stated, this was just a bad game for the team overall.  I think we will can still run away with a B1G title and conference tournament if the team starts playing better and consistant.  That is not to say they won't drop any more games during the last month of play OR during post-season play either.  But people need to step away from the ledge right now.  The "Matta needs to go tweets and forum posts" are effing rediculous.  Can anyone ever remember having ANY expectations of tOSU basketball teams prior to his arrival in Columbus?  Seriously?!?  The last time I remember having serious expectations for tOSU basketball was when we had Jent, Burson, Jackson, Funderburke, etc. in the 90's.  People need to realize that though this team is LOADED with talent, they are still VERY young and are gonna have these problems.  Just like in football, there is ONE fanbase that is CRAZY happy at the end of the season.  And 100+ disappointed fanbases. 

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Nappy's picture

Sully needs to put those 25lbs. back on.  Maybe Elika can teach him about calorie intake.  He was able to move people out of his way a lot easier last year and it looks like he struggles to even get his shot up this year.  We need Sully to dominate or this team is just mediocre.  There is not enough offensive firepower in the 6-7 man rotation Matta uses.  

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Ethos's picture

I will be impressed if they win their first game in the tourny.  The way they look now, I doubt i'll even watch it.

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William's picture

^ Perfect example of a fair weather fan. 

Ethos's picture

When it comes to basketball i've never been a fan in general.  I rarely watch them, but with all the hype this year I found myself drawn to watch a few games.  I am not a fair weather fan, just don't see anything that overly impresses. 

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William's picture

That's exactly why you won't watch the game? Because they were overhyped and now you're disappointed. You also choose to watch them just because they were hyped, that's clearly the makeup of a fair weather fam. I don't get the people who only support the football team, support every damn team that is sponsored by the university, not just football.

Denny's picture

There's also no real need for whipping out and comparing everyone's fanhood; everyone likes what they like, and to varying degrees.

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Squirrel Master's picture

well my 2 cents is if you don't follow the sport, then don't comment about it. don't say, "I have never been a fan but I think they will barely make it out of the first round."

2 things, 1. most likely they will be a #1 seed in a bracket. #1 seeds never lose. 2. Obviously if you watch very few games and watched this past Saturday then you will think that. Overall, this team will make it to the sweet sixteen, I will guarantee it, and should go to final four. First round flameouts are not what this team does. They may struggle against decent teams sometimes but if we are talking about playing a 14-16 seed in the first round, they are too good!

 

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cbusbuckeye's picture

I follow BBall very closely and I have to disagree. This team is very capable of a first or second round upset. Saturday proved that when Sullinger cant consistently put baskets in or get to the stripe this team becomes very average. Unless someone gets hot down the stretch (looking at you Buford and Thomas) we will be in trouble come march.

Squirrel Master's picture

we will have to see then. I think I have a better chance of being right. First round loses do not happen often if at all for #1-#2 seeds. Now I am not arguing that this team doesn't have flaws and need some major correcting in order to make a championship push, but historically top teams don't lose in the first round. Don't sit here and tell me losing to MSU means they will lose in the first round. Get serious!

Saturday only proved that when 2 very good teams come to play against each other, when one is off, it can get ugly. I have said it many times this season, all 4 loses can be attributed to varying situations that tend to happen. If you bet on them happening then you will lose because they are not the norm. Brandon Paul may in his career break 30 points again in college, MAY! 43 points was ridiculous. Kansas, OSU was not prepared to played without sullinger. Indiana and Michigan State are 2 very good teams. Can't win them all folks. and OSU has already shown Indiana how fluky their win was. OSU still plays MSU again. I am sure it will look totally different.

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chitown buckeye's picture

Not trying to be negative but more realist. I don't think this team is an actual threat to win the tourney. There are just to many glaring holes in the team. (use of bench, shooting, etc )When its going good and we are shooting well everyone feeds off of that and shoots well too. (ie Buford) But when things get tough we do not have that go to guy that can secure us two points. Some will say Sully, but he is all we got and teams will simply double and triple team him and force another player to win. Thomas and Buford are way to speractic and you cant win in the tourney that way. It is amazing to me how much of a difference Diebler and Lighty made to the team. Lighty could always find a way to the basket and stop momentum and obviously Diebler was typically spot on. We are missing those two key components and hell even with those components we were bounced out of the tourney. So why do people think we can win without those components? I know we can get hot and magic could certainly happen but as the season has progressed and competition has gotten better we have not improved.

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btalbert25's picture

They are a legit sweet 16/Elite 8 team, they've beat some darn good teams this year.  They just need someone other than Sully to step up.  If they play like they did against Duke, they can win it all, if they play l ike they did against MSU they'll struggle to get out of the Sweet 16.  Saturday's game was frustrating to be sure, but there are other games where it's like wow this team is damn good.  The thing is, Bufford and Thomas need to step up and play with consistency.  When Sully hits them with a pass and they are wide open, they need to knock down those shots and keep the D honest. 

I wouldn't be shocked if this team made the final four, but I wouldn't be all that surprised to see them lose to a team like Baylor in the Sweet 16 either.

chitown buckeye's picture

Totally agree! We have the capabilities of going deep but you just dont know what you are going to get each night with this team. I hope they gel and play well but I'm just not real confident in them. People continue to say this is a wake-up call and the players seem to being saying the same thing in the sense of we are going to work harder, ect.. But they said the same thing after the Illinois and Indiana losses as well. I was givinig them the benefit of the doubt on those losses due to a single player playing lights out for the illini, noone truley knowing how good Indiana was at the time, etc. It just shocks me on how they can lay such an egg on that stage Saturday night!? That should have been tourny atmosphere and mindset.

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luckynutz's picture

You are talking about michigan state...in case you haven't noticed, izzo is a beast of a coach. Look at their schedule every year...they play the toughest non conference schedule you can possibly play, and lose some games early. Izzo stresses defense, rebounding and hard nosed basketball. So the fact they came in and frustrated sully from the jump shouldn't surprise anyone. By this time every year, izzo has his teams playing their best ball. Its the early season beaings they take that round them into form. Matta is a hell of a coach too, and you can bet he's going to take this loss, use it for what it is...a teaching point, and send a message to his team. When you become one dimensional, anyone can beat you. Not to mention in terms of depth, the B1G is the toughest conference in basketball top to bottom. Nothing pretty about it...its a 40 minute slugfest. Did they look bad Sunday? Sure they did. Every team has bad days. But don't go wasting all your money on guns and knives just yet...there's still a lot of basketball to play.

Squirrel Master's picture

Saturday!!

I agree. There needs to be accountability with this team. Matta needs to sit these guys if they don't bring it. I see no reason why the next game he shouldn't come out with Amir Williams at center and bench Thomas, then have Buford ride the bench to start the game and play Sam Thompson. Buford will get the message and start to tame his inconsistant streaks hopefully. If not then Thompson may blossom into a fine player. Then I think Matta will figure out that although Thomas may be a better player than Amir, moving Sully to the 4 spot and putting Amir at center will be better suited. I just don't know why Sully is starting at center. He would be so much better at the 4 with a big man at center hence why he was so much better last year with Lauderdale.

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chitown buckeye's picture

Exactly!! Im talking about MSU!! What type of talent do they have compared to ours? Everything you said is spot on... Izzo is a hell of a coach and his team is ready to play and ready to play hard so what happens when we run into them or a team like them in the tourny?? We will get beat! You say Matta will use this as a teaching tool but what evidence has been shown throuhgout the season that Matta has used any of the losses as a teaching tool? we played a very tough non conference schedule in Duke, Kansas etc. Why are we so much further behind then MSU? I dont want to come off as being to negative becasue I want the BUcks to win and succeed! My point is simply everyone keeps making excuses for our poor performances or staying positive on how the team will learn from this, etc.. But the fact is they havent learned from any of there losses. MSU is beginning to play good basketball and I wouldnt have cared that we lost to them but it was how we lossed. Uninspired basketball and the refusal to use the bench! Do I want them to win the NC? Yes of course, however I'm just going by what my eyes tell me and major improvements and changes have to be made for us to get to the final four.

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Squirrel Master's picture

Actually I think MSU has very comparable talent to OSU! not to mention a much more mature team. and I don't think OSU is much further behind that MSU. I think it will be a different game when OSU goes to MSU at the end of the regular season.

I would however like to see a line-up change.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

chitown buckeye's picture

Squirrel I think we somewhat agree on the assesment of this team with me being a bit more negative. I just feel like this team has no identity right now. When things are going great everyone plays well and typically shoots lights out. When the going gets tough and we are in a close game I dont have alot of confidence in our guys to make the play that we need. You are right a loss to MSU is not the end of the world. I hope your right and we play a much better next time. I just get a feeling we havent found ourselves yet and we are in the meat of our season. It was very frustrating to watch us play poorly but also to see a defense confuse us. I expected Matta to make changes and for the 100th time still doesnt make changes. Its just silly to me to play a group of 6 people all game whether they are playing well or not when there are possible gamers on the bench.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Squirrel Master's picture

I guess I am being a bit "glass half full"! lol

we do agree that corrections do have to be made. The first 2 months we were waiting to see Ross play and where is he? We expected Amir to get meaningful minutes and instead see Sullinger out of position. I am no expert nor am I a coach but I am pretty sure I can say that accountability and matchups are necessary for success. It was obvious that SmithJr couldn't keep up with his guy during the Wisconsin game, so Matta tried Thompson and it worked. His length shut down the perimeter game of UW in the last 3-4 minutes. That was huge! Doesn't mean smith is less of a player, just means the match up worked better for thompson. Now with Sullinger, he is a true forward. No reason he should be starting at center to get your "best players" on the floor. Should have your best player at the position he fits best then build around him. Thomas is great but I don't want him out there if it is a detriment to the NPOY candidate. In fact, not sure why he is not the bench player that comes in and lights it up. Not like he starts out on fire anyways!

but I do think there is way too much talent and Sully will not allow an early exit in the tourney. That much I do believe in and will argue stubbornly. Now a championship.....I need to see changes!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Ethos's picture

careful, william will call you a fair weather fan.

"What do you need water for, Sunshine?!" - Coach Coombs, if you don't love this man, you have no soul.

Pam's picture

I went to the Princeton-Harvard game Saturday night so I missed our game. What I came away with after watching those two teams was if the lights went out in the arena, they could still play. They are so in sync with each other, passing the bowl a minimum of 3 times Hoosier style, lots of layups and back door cuts. Neither team has a "star" and quite frankly it wasn't at all boring to watch like I thought it might be. I have a feeling that the Buckeyes and other teams from the BIG or ACC would have trouble with defending the offense of Princeton. Their band is made up of a guy banging on a plastic pumpkin and a woman playing a toilet bowl and the rest whatever instruments they can rustle up. They aren't TBDBITL, but they were entertaining. I had a blast

buckeyechad's picture

With everyone hyping up the new Dlinemen, I think they may have trouble beating out Steve Miller and Kenny Hayes in the future. Our dline should be nastyyy.

funky123's picture

You call that an apology by Whitlock? That was more about him and his ego than an apology. What would happen if a white sports writer tweeted something like that about a black player?

awwwwwwop's picture

then we still wouldnt talk about it on 11W

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Denny's picture

Yais.

Taquitos.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

but what if Michael Vick were white?

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BuckeyeSki's picture

He would be referred to as Gritty or Hard-nosed by Joe Buck and Troy Aikman?

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Denny's picture

I don't know -- maybe I should crudely photoshop an image from Madden 2k12 to see what he'd look like.

Taquitos.

TheHostileDwarf's picture

What if God were one of us?

Northbrook's picture

Michigan would suck so bad it would be a sin. Wait, it's that way already so God must be one of us.

funky123's picture

Really, this is where I heard of it first.