Thursday Skull Session

By Jeremy Birmingham on January 19, 2012 at 6:00a
66 Comments

Good morning Buckeye fans and friends of the program. I hope you're all greeted with sunshine and love this morning.

As we move further and further away from the college football season and into the dead of winter, it becomes a bit more difficult to remember what happened from September to December, and for us, this year at least, that's a good thing.

Urban has the Buckeye machine rollin' right along, and after a year of being brutalized by the media, both local and national, it's quickly becoming "cool" to be a Buckeye again.

Just in the nick of time, too, because if we had to go through another year like we just did, I don't think I could take it.

 TURNING THE CORNER. With the dismissal of cornerbacks Dominic Clarke and Derjuan “Pee-Wee” Gambrell, the Buckeyes now find themselves staring a serious lack of bodies at the corner position squarely in the face. Rising star Bradley Roby returns, as does the oft-maligned Travis Howard, but after the two of them, there is little to no game experience to be found at corner for the Buckeyes.

Freshman Doran Grant, highly-touted out of high school, picked up some minutes on special teams last year and will be counted on to provide the Silver Bullets a boost, but who else will be there for the Buckeyes? Corey Brown has not been able to get on the field and stay there for any significant time due to injury and his off-the-field miscues.

With the departures of the aforementioned, the Buckeyes now have only four scholarship athletes to fill the cornerback spot.

There was a lot of discussion as to why Ohio State was working so hard to get into the conversation with Mesquite, TX CB De’Vante Harris (who committed to his father's alma mater, Texas A&M, this week) and West Roxbury, Massachusetts corner Armani Reeves, and maybe now we know why. Clearly, Urban was aware that some changes would be made to the roster's makeup, and the Buckeyes are putting a lot of faith in their ability to close the deal with Reeves, who is visiting Columbus now with HS teammate and fellow Penn State "soft commitment" Camren Williams.

If Reeves remains committed to Penn State, or decides to go to Michigan, it could put Urban and the recruiting staff in an unenviable position. Do they let it ride for 2012 knowing that 2013 recruiting class has some major DB talent in it (Ohio's Cam Burrows and Caleb Day, New Jersey's Eli Woodard to name a few) or do they extend some last minute offers to less-heralded players in the 2012 class to get the roster filled?

It will be curious to see how Meyer and his staff play this one.

 MATTA OF PERCEPTION? The Buckeye basketball team is in the middle of an unusual mid-season week off, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about the Buckeye hoopsters. Currently 16-3, the #6 Buckeyes are three four wins away from giving Thad Matta his 12th consecutive 20-win season to start his head coaching career, an incredible accomplishment for a coach who gets a lot of flak for his "in-game" coaching decisions. He is a three-time B1G Coach of the Year, and it appears that his career, (unless it's derailed by some physical ailment) is on the ascendency and his coaching tree is growing nearly every year. Matta's former assistants now hold head jobs at Arizona, Ohio, Charlotte and Dayton. 

Thad has been blessed to have some of the best players in Ohio State history suit up for him, but that credit goes almost entirely to him and his coaching staff, not because of the school's basketball legacy. Matta himself has pounded the pavement to sell a Buckeye program that was on the probationary ropes when he took over and deserves a lot more credit and praise from Buckeye fans than he receives, in my opinion.

While I don’t intend to spend too much time looking backwards, especially in criticism of a 17-point win against a Top 10 team, I couldn't help but question the decision on Sunday to keep the starters in as long as he did in the second half. With the crux of the B1G schedule upcoming, and the need for experienced depth in the overly-officiated conference (especially against the road team in any given contest), it would have made sense to let Sam Thompson, JD Weatherspoon and more get PT early and often in the second half.

Those players have stood up and played well when forced into action at Indiana, Kansas and Illinois, and will likely be called on again when the "Big Four" of Craft, Sully, DT and Buford find themselves in foul trouble in tough road environments.

I'm not sayin', but I am just sayin'.

**On an unrelated basketball note, if you felt that my story on Dennis Hopson in November was compelling enough to make you think about his place in the rafters at Ohio State, you can sign a petition here to let the school know.**

How would you feel about seeing JT on an NFL sideline?

 HOW DIFFERENT IS IT? According to ProFootballTalk.com, Jim Tressel will be interviewing to become the head man in Indianapolis after the Colts fired Jim Caldwell on the heels of their 2-14, Manning-less season.

While I do not know if Tressel's demeanor and personality will translate to NFL success (given the opportunity for it), I do know that he is a man that most players respect and listen to, and that he would likely be the most "unique" head coach in the league. It's a different beast when you're trying to motivate and develop millionaires versus the entitled college athletes that JT was so often surrounded by (of his own choosing, of course) at Ohio State.

Given the chance, I know I wouldn't bet against him, especially if he's fortunate enough to inherit a team with Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck taking the snaps.

H(ATE) FROM THE IZZO. I have a quasi-confession to make that will please in some way my nephew Isaiah if he were (able) to read it: if the Buckeyes didn't exist, I would probably be a Michigan State fan.

Tom Izzo solidified my adoration for him before Tuesday night's one-point loss to Michigan in Ann Arbor.

“So if you are asking me do I respect John Beilein? Tremendously. Do I respect Michigan? Tremendously. Do I like 'em? Not one bit.”

Ahh, good ol' fashioned hate. It's nice to see it can still exist, and of course, as Kyle Kalis helped point out, the UM folks find a way to make it easier and easier with every tiny success they achieve. 

 TEAM AMERICA. Ohio State commitment Se'Von Pittman will be participating in the International Bowl, a high school All-Star game in Austin, Texas on February 1st. That Wednesday is national signing day, and Pittman will sign and fax his letter of intent from Austin at a breakfast that morning.

Current Buckeyes Ron Tanner and Michael Bennett participated in the International Bowl in 2011.

QUICK SLANTS. The Boss is back... Ok, so sports reporting is LITERALLY getting awesome... Art imitates life, but some of these might surprise you... If you're ticking off Hollywood, I figure you're winning... Do you have any other choices?

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acBuckeye's picture

Jeremy..... 16+3 does not = 20.

BucksfanXC's picture

Clearly the PSU game at home is an auto-win and doesn't count. (goes and knocks on some wood)

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Nerkbuckeye's picture

He just wanted to see if anybody was actually reading his articles-- apparently, you're the only one.

popeurban's picture

Well said on Thad deserving ALL of the credit.  Without his recruiting, Ohio State basketball would still be second tier in the B1G.  He is the man!

 

 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Thad certainly deserves MOST of the credit, but I suspect that a few other people helped set the table, possibly behind-the-scenes, and thus deserve some credit as well. I just know who, or to what extent. Andy Geiger?

BuckeyeNation's picture

I love Thad Matta, he's an awesome coach and the 20 win seasons are great and all, but i'm afraid that unless he wins the the big one soon, he'll just be the John Cooper of basketball. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Do I have any other choices of SNL characters that should have been one-offs? How about almost ALL OF THEM since about 1985?

Orlando Buckeye's picture

Stefon and the new Drunk Uncle are pretty funny.  The list was missing a few truly unfunny characters like Pat and Stuart Smalley.  Meanwhile, I like the Ladie's Man.

 

Humor is subjective.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm being overly harsh, but SNL's golden age was between late-1970s and mid-1980s. There have been numerous funny characters since then, of course.

And this criticism is coming from a curmudgeon (me) who has found only two movies in the last fifteen years or so side-splittingly funny: There's Something About Mary and The Hangover.    

There has been a lot of very funny stuff on t.v. programs not named SNL.

William's picture

Have you not seen Step Brothers?

Doc's picture

You better check out The Hangover II then.  I thought it was equally funny as the first.  The humor is pushed farther, but still funny.

"Say my name."

BuckeyeEd's picture

We Need a couple of corners.

 

Matta is a great Coach.

 

Tressel will be a winner where-ever he goes. He is a Winner, as is Tim Tebow.

cbusbuckeye's picture

I think we've all heard enough about Tim Tebow...

BuckeyeMark's picture

I saw the ad for the T-shirt thanking Tress for a decade of excellence.  Can we get one that says "Thanks Tress for cheating, lying, and covering it up so our reputation took a huge hit, our only SEC bowl win got vacated and the NCAA bowl banned us"?  That's the T-shirt we need....

I don't get the Tress love.  He did great things but he also did terrible things. 

And I look forward to Urban Meyer being so great that Tress' decade of excellence is forgotten in the joy of a decade of championships.

otrain2416's picture

Tressel will always get the love because he was a great coach and did one thing that a lot of OSU coaches couldn't do: beat scUM.

As for his mistake, yeah it was bad everyone makes them. But at the end of the day he wasn't the one who traded the jersesys. You can't judge a man/ coach based off of one mistake. He did a lot of great things for OSU and the community around him. Part of the reason he was fired was due to ESPN blowing it way out of proportion because they hate the BIG 10. How long did ESPN talk about the South Carolina scandle where they gave thier players around 55k worth of extra stuff in multiple sports. It got swept under the rug while the whole Chris Paul trade was going on. At the end of the day I'm very excited for Urban too but don't forget about the man in the sweater vest he did a lot of great things too.

btalbert25's picture

He got fired because he lied, when he got fired was a result of the powers that be at Ohio State not handling the situation correctly.  In all honesty, the press conference in March should've been Ohio State saying we had to part ways with coach.  From that first press conference on, Smith mishandled the situation.

His 5 year show cause is evidence that the NCAA thought he did something very wrong. Tressel's actions got him fired, not ESPN.  It's irrelevant what happened elsewhere or who did what somewhere else.  Pointing the finger and saying well this is happening at that school is meaningless.  He broke rules h e lost his job.  If he's half the man everyone says he is, he would be the first person to say he deserved that fate.

Squirrel Master's picture

I'm sorry but I will forever remember the night I saw OSU win the NC in 2003 against Miami. For that I will still believe in Tressel. People make mistakes. You can't dwell on them and forget the positive times during those 10 years. and there were some really good times.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

I never said people shoudln't remember the good times.  I absolutely enjoyed the good times.  The NCAA stuff definitetly didn't sour what happened at all, even the Sugar Bowl that we gave back.  It happened on the field and I witnessed it and was overjoyed by it.  I don't care if it was taken away later, to me Ohio State won the Sugar Bowl. 

I was simply stating that it wasn't ESPN that got Tressel fired.  Tressel got Tressel fired, and he would admit as much if he is the man of character we all believe him to be.

Squirrel Master's picture

well true. He made his mistake and must own up to it. I agree with that statement. I do have issue with how some say he is not overall a stand up person and really trash his reputation. I feel we all make our mistakes and when we do we should own up to it. but doesn't make a person bad.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Seth4Bucks's picture

Ungrateful much? How old are you? Do you remember the futility of the Cooper years? He of all those Michigan losses? Tressel is a man like everyone else here. He made a mistake that he paid dearly for. But don't confuse that action with the rest of his accomplishments. He recruited all the players for that bowl win and he coached that team to the 'W'. All those Big10 titles, BCS rings, Michigan domination, and NT ring don't mean anything to you?

BTwrestle04's picture

You arrogant little prick. Jim Tressel is the one who brought this University back to national prominence. With it, came all the hatred as well. He is a family friend of ours and I can speak very highly of his character. All of his players would say the same thing about him as well. I'm guessing you never had the privelege of meeting the man in person. 

aplumb100's picture

If you can't see the incredible man that we had as a coach for ten years you are just arrogant. Yes. He made a mistake. Yet, one decision, especially a decision to protect your players, should never be what defines him ESPECIALLY IN THE EYES OF THE BUCKEYE FAITHFUL. The dude is a good man and deserves at least a little bit of your respect. You're a buckeye for crying out loud. 

O-H-I-O

biggy84's picture

Terrible things? Tress had players that sold their own belongings! Read the transcripts troll!

 

BTAlbert- Espin and Sec apologist?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I vehemently disagree with all of what Buckeyemark wrote, but I could at least deal with most of it - people have differences of opinion. However, saying that what JT did was "terrible" is just plain absurd. Maybe he's trying to water down the meaning of turrible to such an extent that even Sir Barkley cannot beat that word into the ground any further . . .  

btalbert25's picture

I don't know if you are calling me a troll or refering to my comment, but I never said he did terrible things.  I said he got fired for lying. I'm not SEC or ESPN apologist at all.  I'm saying it's meaningless what happens elsewhere, all that matters is what happened here, and ESPN's coverage doesn't drive what the NCAA does.

It's stupid to keep talking about it anyway because it's in the past.  We have a new coach now, a better coach now, and it's a new era in Buckeye football.  Love Tressel for his time here and what the program was able to do while he was here, but it's time to move on.  Whether you believe he's a saint or a cheater doesn't really matter.  I believe he was a football coach, one that did a great job, and has no moved on.  The rest of us should too. 

People are free to interperet what his actions were however they want.  Some say he was protecting the players some say he was covering up to win.  Some just say read the transcript and even after reading the transcript people still have differing opinions.  Only Tressel knows what was truly going on in his mind when he sat on the info. 

Personally, I don't care anymore, I'm ready for Urban's reign of terror over the B1G.

biggy84's picture

Was referring to Mark as the troll, BT as the apologist.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, being an apologist is not the same thing as being a troll, which is much more objectionable. In certain contexts, apologetics are quite respectable (e.g., theology). I'm a JT apologist. I was a John Cooper apologist up until he "lost the team" in 2000.

You are an eSECpn/oversigning apologist. You frequently make excellent comments on this site and I, for one, will always welcome your viewpoints, but let's keep it real. I don't know if your occasional sympathy for certain practices that are more closely associated with eSECpn is related to your proximity to UK (both literally & figuratively), or if it's just because you like playing Devil's Advocate, but it's apparent nonetheless.

btalbert25's picture

I like to play devils advocate, and let me just say this, there is no soft spot in my heart for the SEC.  I do have to deal with the truly most annoying fan base in sports though, Big Blue Nation on a daily basis, and have most of my life.  My thoughts on oversigning are just my personal opinion.  I don't think it's as despicable as most because number 1, I don't think the horror stories everyone always turn to are the norm when it comes to oversigning.  Secondly, it's only become an issue in the last year or 2.  People can say well social media and the internet have brought it to the forefront, but these tools have been around a long long time.  I think the outrage over oversigning is there because right now their teams are winning. You don't hear to many people complain when Ole Miss does it, but boy when Bama and LSU are in the top 5 that's all you hear about.  Also, the SEC is basically doing away with oversigning.  So, what will we complain about when they still field damn good teams? 

So, again, my point has been and will be the B1G and it's fans need to look at what we can do to get better.  Every football program makes a ton of money, put it to use hiring some coaches who know how to put together a decent game plan.  Hire some guys who can actually evaluate talent to find recruits who will play good football at your school.

For ESPN, I just dont' care what they have to say.  I've accepted that we are the biggest threat to their best product.  If the B1G would've signed a deal with ESPN, Ohio State would be who they were cramming down everyone's throat all the time.  I've accepted it.  I'm tired of the constant pissing and moaning about ESPN.  If you are that offended by what they say, do something about it.  There have been a number of posts and comments on here addressing the issue especially the last year or so.  Venting is one thing but the ESPN whining has been going on for years now. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good points, but you're suggesting "that's how it works" in regard to oversigning (assuming new rules are not introduced) and the eSECpn machine, so instead of complaining about such things, BT schools need to deal with them.

Okay, but the PR game, the "spin" game, efforts to present one's hostile competitors in a negative light, etc. are also - for better of for worse - part of how things work nowadays.

Therefore, if you're being consistent, you'd also "accept" that part of today's realities, too. And if people affiliated with the BT are successful at turning the media/PR cultures more favorably in their direction, and it "helps them to get better" at winning fball games, then when our opponents start expressing their own reverse "outrage over [our PR efforts, etc.] . . . because . . . their teams are [not] winning [as much]," at that point you'll say our opponents are "pissing and moaning," too, right? 

In other words, our pissing & moaning won't have been in vain. In the meantime, maybe you ought not piss & moan about other people complaining.

btalbert25's picture

Fair enough, I can only use my own life and experiences as a base for my comments so I look at this situation like I look at my life.  I want to better my position in life, many do.  So, I constantly look at how I've handled specific events, whether they are job or family related and think how could I have done this differently?  If I don't get a promotion, I ask, what do I need to do to make sure I get it next time?  I can honestly tell you, when I don't get the promotion and someone else does, I'm not concerned with that person.  I'm concerned about what I need to do better.  If that person cheated, lied, became buddies with the boss, whatever, it's irrelevant to me.  They succeeded and I failed, what can I do to make sure next time I'm more prepared? 

For what it's worth, I constantly put SEC fans in their place for pissing and moaning about Ohio State making title games even when as they would say, they played no one and it wasn't fair.  I'm very quick to put UK fans in their place when they talk about Ohio State cheating, as they are one of the most corrupt schools all time, and tell them maybe they should worry about their own program.  Anyway, perhaps you are right though complaining about people complaining may not be a great practice, just trying to get people to look at things and think a little outside of the box.  It's pretty boring when a specific topic is mentioned and everyone starts the old South Park angry RABBLE RAVEL RAH screaming mob. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, you have a very healthy attitude toward your own self-improvement, self-advancement - for that, I commend you.

As I've argued before, though, that attitude/approach is absolutely right for the players and coaches, but we're not players or coaches. We're fans. If, as fans, we perceive that a huge (nearly monopolistic) media empire is operating in ways that are hostile toward Ohio State and the BT, our recourse is not to pay coaches more money (although maybe we could donate to athletic depts, etc.), work harder in the weight room, recruit better players, and so forth - that's where Urban Meyer and company come in. Our recourse is to impact the system economically, politically, culturally, and so forth. Some of us who are in media-related industries, ourselves, or in politics/policy, or so forth, might have more resources at our disposal for impacting the system than other fans, but we all do our parts.

Btw, I am guessing that you don't work in a political field. Everybody has to deal with a certain amount of "office (or work site) politics," but many of the issues we discuss here concerning oversinging, the eSECpn machine, etc. are very "political" matters, which are not resolved strictly on the field of play. 

btalbert25's picture

No, not in politics just a desk jockey.  I agree with what you are saying completely about how fans can impact the system.  As I said in another response, I'm totally in favor of it and have tried to do my part when something particularly offensive happens, whether it be on TV, radio, etc.  It doesn't even have to do with Ohio State.  Just in general, I've tried to take up action when it is needed. 

When I originally complained about people complaining, my point that maybe I never made was that people like you, Pam, and myself are by far in the minority.  So just coming on and ranting about something you don't like is pointless because just complainging on an Ohio State blog where everyone agrees with you gets nothing accomplished. 

For example, look at the comments in the Buckshots about Schliter's new trouble.  The first thing some people did was run to ESPN's website to see if they had it posted on their site!  Then came back here and said (Paraphrasing) OMG ESPN has this on their site, they see this as news, I can't believe it. 

This behavior is so counterproductive!  That's EXACTLY what ESPN wants Ohio State fans to do!  Can't tell you how many times a story has come out or someone has posted an article on ESPN's site and people run to see what they are saying come back to the blogs and complain and link the story. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, many fans react in counterproductive ways - good examples!      

Maestro's picture

Rage on RFR.

vacuuming sucks

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm not a big Rage Against the Machine fan. This is more my style . . .

btalbert25's picture

Another thing about the SEC and ESPN.  It really doesn't matter what they do or say or report.  That's always been my point.  It's not the SEC, ESPN, oversigning, or hillbilly fans fault that the B1G sucks.  I'm concerned about what they B1G can do to improve.  I'm not concerned with pointing fingers and complaining while we stand pat and do nothing to improve our own situation.

Some of the B1G gets it.  Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State have put together good staffs and are paying good money to bring in quality coaches.  Illinois is making some good hires right now.  It's much more useful to say what are we doing wrong than it is to whine about not getting respect from ESPN.  Alabama oversigning has nothing to do with mediocre to poor teams the B1G continues to field.  Richardson getting a suit in Tuscaloosa is meaningless to Pryor getting tatoos in Columbus.  We need to deal with our own problems and quit worrying about what's fair or what other programs are doing. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, it is possible to chew gum & walk at the same time, fight a two-front war, or whatetver other cliche we can think of: i.e., support the efforts of Ohio State and other BT partners to improve while simultaneously supporting efforts to undermine our hostile competitors (e.g., eSECpn). 

btalbert25's picture

I can agree with that however, do you believe that most are actively working to undermine the other side?  I have a pretty good feeling that answer is no, most of the outrage is contained to the comment section of blogs and message boards and not much is actively being done. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

We do what we can. For many BT/Ohio State fans, that means simply tuning into, or logging onto, eSECpn programming less often. Others of us go a few steps further.

RBuck's picture

Get your facts straight BM. The FTM and subsequent bowl ban was a result of the Bobby G. crap which happened after Tressel was gone. IMO that one's on compliance and Smith.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

acBuckeye's picture

BuckeyeMark..... were you alive the past 10 years? Aside from being responsible for one of the top 5 most dominant football programs in the country over the last decade, we love Tressel EVEN MORE b/c of the person he is, and b/c of how much his players loved him. He made it his life's mission to turn kids into young men, and to teach those guys life lessons that they could take with them long after they left the university.

Yes, he drove me crazy at times with his football philosophies, and yes, he screwed up with the Tat-5. But don't call a person like Tressel out, especially a person like Tressel, if you yourself have never made a mistake in your life. And to my knowledge, he NEVER did "terrible things." He screwed up once. But I bet if you asked him if he would go back and do things differently in regards to the scandal, he'd probably say he'd do a few things a little different. But it wouldn't be to save his job, it would be to protect those around him b/c that's the type of person he is...... a humble and unselfish person. Maybe you should be a little more grateful that we, as a fan base, got to enjoy his services at our beloved university for an entire decade!

None of us will ever forget about it either, no matter what Urban, or anyone else does. Being the head coach at The Ohio State University should be more about just winning football games, people!

And don't put so much stock into our reputation, vacated wins, bowl bans, etc. This is Ohio State.... we will be just fine despite what the biased media would have you believe.

 

JasonBuck's picture

Obviously this is the only guy on 11W who is a saint.  I mean who couldn't be pissed at a man trying to protect his players at the cost of his own reputation (sarcasm).  Buckeyemark, as we are ALL buckeye fans here, writing something this inflammatory shows your absolute lack of class, however, since you are a buckeyes fan (we assume, unless of course you're a scUM fan posing as a buckeyes fan) you are forgiven.

BuckeyeMark's picture

I'm not a troll - been here a long time, and I'm certianly not a scummer (thanks for that).  I'm also not a saint (who is?).  I'm just a huge Bucks fan who is fed up with the Tress love.  Saw the Tshirt ad this morning and it just rubbed me the wrong way.  Truthfully I think I probably wouldn't be so mad at Tress if he hadn't written "The Winner's Manual" (which I own and read) and constantly preached character and then gone on to violate everything he himself had preached.  When Saban is found out to be a liar and cheat will Bama Nation be stunned?  No.  They all know it's coming.  The "when" just depends on how good Saban is at covering up and how long he can keep the media in his corner (my guess: a long time). 

I didn't mean to derail the board, and I didn't mean to upset the world.  I just don't get the unmitigated Tressel love.  It's like people going on and on about Barry Bonds.  Yes, he hit a LOT of homers.  But - excuse me - did you know about these allegations that cast a pall over everything he's ever done?

For me the pall of hypocrisy, lies and deceit (for which there is NO excuse - not covering for players or anything else) colors everything about Tress.  I hate that but so it is.  He presented himself as flawless.  He was and is deeply, deeply flawed.

And I agree - we have a new coach and I just need to get over it and move on.  Better days are certainly ahead.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's cool, you're welcome to express your viewpoints, but if you're more careful to avoid the hyperbole, you'll probably get a warmer reception - e.g., suggesting that what JT did was "terrible" and that he "violate[d] everything he himself had preached." Really, everything?

Also, we all lie, to some degree or another. Among highly ethical people, the lies would be "white lies" and/or very infrequent. For most of us, we try to be as honest as possible, but sometimes make mistakes (or sin), including when two values come into conflict (e.g., wanting to protect people we love, but also trying to adhere to ethical principles).

JT never presented himself as flawless - you see, that's a lie right there! By your logic, I can now conclude that, you sir, are a liar! After all, if you're caught in one lie, therefore you are liar. I hate it, but it so.

If you believe that JT is "deeply, deeply flawed," I shutter to think how you view the rest of humanity.

acBuckeye's picture

Well said Fido. And to further elaborate on your point..... the media presented Tressel as flawless. The very same media that couldn't wait till he screwed up so that they could crucify him as being "fake."

 

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Is it possible to have a discussion about Tressel's transgression without being accused of being a hater by one side or the other?

His teams won a lot of games. His teams beat Michigan at an incredible rate. His teams were almost always in the NC discussion. His teams appeared in three NC games. And of course, his team won OSU's most recent NC.

BUT...

He knew about some of his key players violating NCAA rules in the spring of 2010 and told no one. He signed a compliance document he knew was false (which probably sealed his fate). And when the story finally broke before before the Sugar Bowl, he did not come clean. In fact, he never really stepped forward, rather OSU approached him as a result of the university's internal investigation.

These are BIG mistakes.

Do they erase all his accomplishments? No. But he deserved to get fired. Did he sacrifice himself for the good of his players? The program? The university? Maybe. Only he and Gene Smith know the answers to those questions.

I choose to take the situation at face value and go on what we know. What we know is that he was a very successful coach who made a big mistake. The university benefitted tremendously from his success. And it suffered quite a bit from his mistake. In the end, I think the good outweighs the bad and will moreso over time.

In the meantime, I hope he gets the Colts job. Football is better with him in it.

Maestro's picture

Excellent post.  It's still an open wound, especially with a 6-7 season in the rearviewmirror, and people have a hard time not being very emotional about Tressel.  Thanks for your measured response.

vacuuming sucks

BuckeyeMark's picture

Ohio Guy in New Jersey - thanks for saying that.  that's what I'm trying to say.

Maestro's picture

Take notes.

vacuuming sucks

BTwrestle04's picture

That wasn't at all what you were trying to say. Specifically, nowhere in your original post does "the good outweighs the bad" convey itself in the slightest.

Seth4Bucks's picture

I get that maybe you're not as eloquent as our OSU brother in NJ*, but the overall theme and point of his post and yours don't really marry up all that well. Maybe it's what you were trying to convey in the first place. But all those other Buckeyes (myself included) called you out on what was written because it came across as ungrateful, arrogant, and spiteful. Most of us on here can and will respect you for your opinions as long as they're well written. But if you come across as a troll then don't be surprised at the reactions.

 *Because really that's pretty well written and it's evident that he either put a lot of thought into it or has a knack with words.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Although Tressel drove me crazy at times with his conservative nature, he was a great man, a great coach, and did incredibly great things at and for the university.  He was an incredible mentor to his players and staff, was an ambassador to the university and did some fantastic things for the community. 

Having said that, he made some serious errors in judgement, for whatever reason, and he got deservedly fire for that.  Although I will never understand what drove him to do what he did, I will always have a soft spot in my heart for The Vest and wish him all the luck in the world.  I know once the dust has settled, he will be welcomed back with open arms just like Woody!  He has earned it and he deserves it!!!

On the bright side of this entire dark period - we now have one of the, if not the best coach possible guiding THE Ohio State University football Buckeyes to heights that we probably can't even imagine!!!

 

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Doc's picture

That is the crux of the entire Tressel mess.  He is a great man and coach, he spoiled us for ten years.  We just endured a very hard season.  Tress will be welcomed back, heck he might get a plaque in the stadium right next to Woody's.  It will take some time and victories to forget the slip ups he did at the end of his career at OSU.  Those are the last images we have of him so those will be the brightest for a time.  I've made a comment about the shirt as well.  I thought a "Thanks for the mess Tress" shirt would have been appropriate 9 months ago.  I'm still sad he is gone, but I wouldn't want him back.  It's hard to explain.  I also wish him well and hope he has success in the future. 

"Say my name."

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Thanks for the kudos, guys.

When it comes to the Ws and Ls, Tressel will be hard to match. In fact, I don't think anyone with enough seasons will come close to his record against Michigan - it's almost perfect (and I don't vacate seasons we all saw on the field...he's 9-1 against the skunks).  There's no denying he had the football program in a great place before this mess. It has less to do with his coaching, especially on offense, and more to do with his formula. It was a winning formula.

I don't know about him being a great man. He's a man. It seems he tried to do the right thing most of the time. He failed miserably in his last season in that regard.

You can't...repeat, CANNOT...knowingly sign a false compliance document. It's huge mistake. But I still think he would have survived the whole thing had he come clean at the Sugar Bowl. Bench Pryor, Herron, Posey, Adams, Thomas, Whiting, and anyone else involved. Take the inevitable beating. And then the NCAA likely gives you a slap on the wrist.

Fortunately OSU landed on firm ground with Urban Meyer, who is probably a better coach but who might not have as good a winning % as Tressel while at OSU.

Pam's picture

My fellow Buckeye in NJ: wherabouts do you celebrate our greatness?

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Hi, Pam - I'm in NNJ, a town called Maplewood.

Pam's picture

Know it.  I lived in Jersey City before moving to Princeton. Are you a transplant from OH or a Jersey boy?

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Ha! I lived in JCy for five years in the Paulus Hook neighborhood.

I grew up in Columbus, and moved to NJ after graduating from OSU

Pam's picture

Highland Ave. a couple blocks from St. Peter's College.  I too grew up in Cols. and moved to NYC after graduation.  Nice to meet you!

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

You too!

Jersey backs the Bucks!

buckeyebru's picture

Hey Pam

 

I live in Hunterdon county and from Cincy

Bru

Pam's picture

We could form our own fan club.

Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

We could!

Nice to meet you too, Bru!