Friday Skull Session

By Elika on January 27, 2012 at 6:08a
82 Comments

Good morning, fellow citizens of Buckeye Nation! 

Somehow, a random sidenote about my In-N-Out craving last week sparked one of the greatest comment-reactions I've ever seen on a Friday Skull Session. In fact, it may have even rivaled the reaction to the news that a special delivery, by the name of Urban, was Columbus-bound.

So, if you must know, I'd give up Ohio State's 2012 season bowl game for some jalapeño poppers from Jack In The Box right now. You're all thinking "Yuck, Jack?! How could you, Elika?!" I know, I know... but I'm a sucker for things that have jalapeños, are stuffed with cheese, deep-fried, or come with a side of ranch. You could pretty much do all those things to a tennis shoe, and I'd eat it. I wish I was joking (and, if my mom is reading this, she's officially ready to disown me)... but, few things in life can beat an option that fulfills all four of those requirements. (Even without a side of ranch, Urban Meyer is definitely one of them.) 

And, as we always do (eventually...), let's get to it.

THE SENIOR BOWL-FOUR. The 2012 Senior Bowl in Mobile, AL kicks off tomorrow at 4pm EST. Ohio State will be well represented in the game with four players participating (Wisconsin has the most players in the game, with five), including: Mike Adams, DeVier Posey, Dan "Boom" Herron and Mike Brewster. 

For Adams, Posey and Herron this game will allow them to showcase their skills that they had to sideline for much of the season this year (five, ten and six games, respectively). Posey, who needed it most of all, has had a pretty good week down in Mobile. Here's a brief interview with Posey from the Senior Bowl yesterday, where he discusses a variety of issues, including his trouble at Ohio State. If you prefer reading, to listening, there's this interview as well. Many Buckeye fans aren't too pleased with Posey, given his hand in the recent violations, but it's nice to hear his thoughts on the whole situation and where his head is at now.

Adams in particular has really turned some heads, particularly with the way he carries his massive size on the field. Here's an interview with Adams, if you're really getting into the spirit of Friday, and putting off your work until Monday.

For a more in-depth look at how these guys have fared throughout the week, check out Alex's post on the Senior Bowl. To see the results of all these practices and workouts, tune in tomorrow.

SHERIDAN TO JOIN OHIO STATE STAFF. In case you missed the gray box announcement yesterday (don't worry, it wasn't bad news), The Lantern reported that Urban Meyer is adding former Miami Dolphins linebackers coach, Bill Sheridan to the coaching staff, most likely to fill Taver Johnson who is now at Arkansas. Ohio State has yet to make any official announcements, though it should be coming shortly. 

Sheridan just completed his second season in Miami, having joined the Dolphins after five seasons with the New York Giants, first as a linebackers coach for four seasons, and eventually as a defensive coordinator. Sheridan was fired after his fifth season with the Giants.

Perhaps the most striking thing about Sheridan's hire, is his ties to that school up north. Not only did Sheridan coach at Michigan for a few years under Llllllloyd (I actually counted out 7 L's... the things I do for you guys!) Carr, but he also fathered an actual Wolverine QB, Nick Sheridan.

Not that I would expect anything less from an Urban Meyer hire, but Sheridan apparently has a good reputation for his recruiting skills, as he was the recruiting coordinator for the Wolverines in '02 and '03, when Michigan pulled top 10 recruiting class both years.

This Sheridan guy has to be a good hire for Ohio State, I'm convinced it's some sort of peace offering from the college football gods for having built an entire program at Michigan on legends from the state of Ohio... right?! That's what I'm going with.

Ohio State vs Michigan memories.

 WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT... The first installment of the 2011-12 hoops-version of THE GAME happens this Sunday at 1pm EST, when the 22nd ranked Michigan Wolverines head to Columbus, to take on the 3rd ranked Ohio State Buckeyes. The Buckeyes' trip to Ann Arbor will take place on February 18th. Two basketball wins would cancel out a football loss, right? (I still need something to get me past that... I feel funny. Is this real life? Why is this happening to me?)

The Buckeyes go into the game with a three game winning streak (Indiana, Nebraska, and Penn State- following the loss at Illinois), while the Wolverines just followed up their 66-64 loss to Arkansas with a win over Purdue of the same score. This puts the Wolverines at 16-5 overall, with a 6-2 record in the B1G.

Want to help the Buckeyes get at least one win over Michigan? Check this out, and vote. It's your civic duty.

RIP D.C. KOEHL. It was a sad day in Buckeye Nation yesterday, as longtime Ohio State Sports Information Director to the men's and women's volleyball teams, D.C. Koehl passed away at the age of 61.

Men's volleyball coach Pete Hanson had the following to say about Koehl:

I am so thankful that D.C. had the opportunity to be with us in State College this past May to witness our finest hour as a program. I really feel like he probably was out there playing every moment on the court with our kids. Though he would probably never show outwardly how much he enjoyed that night, I believe that deep down it might have been one of his best Ohio State moments. Those thoughts make me very happy for D.C.

 

He will be missed greatly for his professionalism and support.  I have never met a finer BUCKEYE. He truly was a dear friend and colleague.

 PATERNO'S MEMORIAL. I'm not exactly a bundle of sunshine this morning, am I? But, regardless of your thoughts on the roller-coaster of Penn State and Joe Paterno news over the past few months, a sports related post would be remiss not to acknowledge the memorial of Joe Paterno, the winningest coach in major college football, that took place at Penn State yesterday.

For two and a half hours, approximately 12,000 gathered to pay tribute to the life of Paterno. The event included a variety of speakers, including a player from each decade of Paterno's career, the dean of the college of liberal arts, Phil Knight, chairman of Nike, Paterno's son Jay, and several others. Not surprisingly, nobody from the Board of Trustees spoke.

Phil Knight and Jay Paterno made the most memorable speeches of the event, but Phil Knight definitely stole the show, in his defiant defense of Paterno, asking "There is a villainous tragedy that lies in that investigation, not in Joe Paterno’s response to it. . . . It leads me to this question: Who is the real trustee of Penn State University?"

YOUR LINKS FOR THE DAY. A good read... Your weekly Lindsay Lohan Art Schlichter update... Confused by all the math, leading up to Signing Day? Lesmerises breaks it down for you... Well, this wasn't in good taste... Back to the future... I was a sucker for this one.

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Baroclinicity's picture

That link from EDSBS is pure gold.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Baroclinicity's picture

edit:  11W poll is working now.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Dean's picture

Still broken for me -- validation error.

cronimi's picture

Same here.

EDIT: It's working now!

SilverBullet33's picture

Nice work as usual Elika. But I must ask how you manage to not weigh 300 pounds? Or maybe your Twitter avatar is a fake. I've never seen such a love of food. I like it very much, your Twitter feed is amazingly informative on many topics. Keep it up please.

Buckeyejason's picture

Give her a few years...

BUCKEYES BABY!

Denny's picture

Are you serious? Christ, man, there's no reason to be a prick.

Taquitos.

Squirrel Master's picture

I think she only eats that stuff from time to time. the rest of the time she eats Lean Cuisine's with Wolverine meat in them. I hear it is low in fat and you lose alot in November! :)

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Buckeyejason's picture

I'm not being a prick..it's reality, the older you get the slower your metabolism gets. If you keep eating bad you are bound to gain weight as you age.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Elika's picture

Ha, it's likely a combination of age/metabolism, trying to keep a regular gym routine, and trying my hardest to eat healthy when I'm not pigging out on all the good-stuff you guys see. The twitter avatar is very much real, as is the love of food... and BuckeyeJason may be right, let's regroup in a few years.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Joe Beale's picture

I made homemade Jalapeno poppers one time. They were awesome.  The key is to bake them for 40 minutes rather than 20-30.  

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I've wanted to try that, myself. Recipe?

I like to make an untraditional version of chile rellenos: roasted (skinned) poblanos stuffed with pork, cheese, rice, onion, and herbs, all covered in a tangy, cheesy chipotle sauce. On a 1-10 heat scale (i.e., scovilles), they usually hit about a 7 - too spicy for grandma - but there are ways to tone down the heat.

Elika's picture

Awesome!

My popper recipe (and I apologize, I don't measure things out) was pan frying a little bacon, mixing with cream and cheddar cheeses, stuffing the jalapenos and then dipping in milk, then flour... fridge for 10 min. Dip in milk, and then I did a mixture of seasoned breadcrumbs and panko. Put them in the fridge for 10 min. Then deep-fried to a golden brown.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Sounds yummy. I was wondering what was the trick for getting the breading to stick on the outside (on slick jalapeno skins), and it sounds like the multiple dipping + refridgeration helps with that.

Elika's picture

Yeah, the refridgeration definitely helps, though I'd also suggest letting it sit outside the fridge for 10 min as well before frying, as the colder they are, the more it could mess with the oil temperature when you fry. 

If you try it, let me know how it goes!

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Elika's picture

What did you do for the breading? I made some great homemade ones too, but deep-fried them, was wanting to try a baked recipe at some point.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Poison nuts's picture

Jack in the Crack poppers - mmmmmmm!

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Maestro's picture

I'm Phil Knight, I'm Chairman of Nike [applause].  What a way to start a speech.  The next time I have to speak publicly I am going with that.  I will make sure to pause and wait for the applause.............man the crickets after that will be hilarious, to me only, but whatever.  I don't know that I have read a more self felating memorial speech ever.  Well done Mr. Chairman.

vacuuming sucks

Pam's picture

Phil Knight lecturing on ethics? PUHleeze

Elika's picture

To be honest, way too many people paused for applause and/or laughter, for my taste.

Charlie Pittman even yelled for them to shine the spotlight on his son, and then yelled, "THAT'S MY SON!"

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Buckeyejason's picture

It's weird having a man with so many ties to Scum on our staff, no? I'm sure I'm just being paranoid.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Squirrel Master's picture

Well we'll find out when we play scUM and Denard Robinson completes 10 passes for 40 yards or more in the first half while Roby sits out with an "unexplained" injury. Then we should know something is fishy!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

This might throw you over the edge - I have a smoker and made the following:  Jalepanos stuffed with 3 different kinds of cheese, taco seasoned beef, and wrapped in bacon - then smoked until they were oozing hot vessels of incredibly smoking goodness!  YYYYyyuuuummmyyyy!!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

OSUNeedles's picture

I think I just had a foodgasm...

cronimi's picture

There's a bbq joint here in Charlotte (Midwood Smokehouse) that makes something similar (except 1 type of cheese and no ground beef). They are effing delicious. To make them at home whenever you want ...? I am jealous.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I have to say, picking up that smoker was one of the smartest things I've done - MAN is food just better with that smokey taste!!!  MOINKs are one of my favorites as well - they are meatballs with a cheese center, wrapped in bacon!!!  Simply freakin amazing.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

RBuck's picture

Since the Senior Bowl is not shown in my TV listings, I assume it's on the NFL network. Correct?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

DarkBeer's picture

When you're ready to graduate from poppers, try Atomic Buffalo Turds

 

 

Poison nuts's picture

I watched the Joe Paterno Memorial yesterday. On the whole - I was a fan. From what most speakers had to say, he took a lot of kids and helped them become righteous members of society. He donated a good portion of his personal wealth to his university in the name of selflessly helping the greater good.

On the other hand - I was pretty turned off by both Phil Knights speech and the crowds reaction to it. Particularly when he said Joe Paterno fulfilled his obligation properly in the Sandusky matter. Standing ovation? Facts are facts. Jerry Sandusky - a known pedophile that Joe Paterno "turned in" years earlier was working out in the football facilities weight room a week or two before being indicted. That's an area of the school Joe Paterno had direct control over. Allowing a man who people witnessed perpetrating the most disturbing and disgusting crimes a person can commit continued access to your facilities is inexcusable. The 12,000 people who gave a standing ovation when Phil Knight said Joe Paterno acted accordingly in the matter, were wrong. The fact that the man has died does not excuse the fact that a horrible error in judgement occured. The fact that the CEO of Nike says everything is cool - doesn't mean shit.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

Maestro's picture

wuurd

vacuuming sucks

Muss_15's picture

Obviously Joe Paterno legally did what he was required to in passing the information along to those who could investigate and take care of the issue.  That was the best response.  However, my issue comes with why did he not question why Sandusky was still in the locker room?  Or why Sandusky was still working with a children's charity?  I mean everytime I saw the guy, I would be thinking about the act that was witnessed in the locker room.  I guess my main problem is that he didn't follow through with the investigation.  I would want to know, one way or another, what was found.  I have the same problem with the guy who witnessed the act and every single person who knew about it. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

That's about as good as it can be stated there Poison. Well done. Imagine how you would act if you went to work each and every day for years and saw a guy who was accused of this kind of stuff. I mean we are talking thousands of days at Penn State where Sandusky was there. Sure, Joe, you reported it...and then you saw him. EACH.AND.EVERY.DAY. And for people to say "well at that point it wasn't on Joe" they are wrong too. It absolutley was on Joe given the fact that the guy controlled Penn State football. Every inch of it. He alone could have said "Jerry stay out of State College" and NO ONE would have opposed him. But if he does that he has to answer why he did that. And if he answers that, he has to tell people what he knows-thus damaging the brand. That was the goal from the outset, wasn't it? The preservation of Penn State Football. The guys who always did it the right way.

Get the @#$# over yourselves Penn State. The high horse you have been riding on these last 45 years is at the glue factory. No one in their right minds is fooled.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

My feeling on Joe Pa is this - he did a great deal of good for a great number of people and that should never be forgotten.

What else should never be forgotten is when face with the fact that Sandusky was sodomizing / molesting / fondling / whatever he was actually told in the shower room of his football facilities, Joe Pa did the minimum required by law, then washed his hands of it.  Had he put in the same minimum effort into his coaching and recruiting efforts - he would have been fired.  Had his players put in the same minimum required effort into their weight training, film study, and effort out on the field - they would have been benched or kicked off the team. 

In the end, Joe Pa was a decent individual who did a great deal of good in 90% of his life but made a very very very hideously bad mistake that cost a great number of people pain and suffering.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

DMcDougal24's picture

I think it's important that everyone remember that we don't know what Joe knew. I don't think that one mistake should define a man's legacy. I realize many feel differently, and that's okay, but just remember that we may never know what actually happened in State College.

BrewstersMillions's picture

That's wrong. All sorts of wrong. The facts are out there actually. This is what baffles me SO much. It is common knowledge what Paterno knew. Read the grand jury report. This sort of thinking is what PSU fans are clinging to.

Joe didn't make one mistake. Each day Sandusky was around after these things were reported Paterno and Penn State continued to make a msitake. And yes, it does define a man's legacy when kids get hurt and Penn State football is the vehicle that allows this to happen.

CEO's are held responsible when their companies are accused\found guilty of all sorts of harrassment. Joe was the CEO of Penn State football. The organization failed. He led the organization. Do the math man.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

DMcDougal24's picture

I have read the grand jury report and disagree that my previous post was "all sorts of wrong." We know that Paterno was told that there was inappropriate conduct in the locker room. The issue of what he knew and to what graphic detail is contested.

We know that Paterno told his superiors. What happened after that we have NO IDEA except that Paterno did not call the police. Perhaps there was constant reassurance from the higher-ups that they investigated the matter and that it was without merit.

I'm not saying that all of you are wrong for saying Paterno should have done more. I'm just saying that we don't know what happened and you have to leave room for that. Also, Joe Paterno was not "the CEO of Penn State football." He was the head coach of Penn State football and the organizational structure included people that were higher on the food chain than he was. I get your point and there is no argument that Paterno should not have done more. He admitted himself that he should have done more. I just don't like people assuming things that they don't know and never will know.

BrewstersMillions's picture

"We know that Paterno was told that there was inappropriate conduct in the locker room"

Forgive me here but if that is how you are referring to it, I am thinking you didn't read the Grand Jury. Snapping a rat tail at a kid in the shower is inappropriate. What was reported and written in that report is beyond that.

 

"Paterno did not call the police"

DING! Winner. That is exactly my point.

"Also, Joe Paterno was not "the CEO of Penn State football." He was the head coach of Penn State football and the organizational structure included people that were higher on the food chain than he was"

Come on dude, you can't actually believe that can you? Joe Pa could have moved a mountain at PSU at no one would have said otherwise. The facts are out there. Each and every one of them. It isn't speculation, it is common knowledge what Paterno knew. The fact that he said he wished he did more should tell you that he knew what was going on, otherwise, why think you should have done more?

 

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

DMcDougal24's picture

Obviously we are going to disagree so it is pointless to fuel the fire. I just ask that everyone take a step back and admit that they don't know all of the facts and that the grand jury testimony, while stated under oath, is in no way conclusive and that matters discussed in that report were contested immediately after its release. I mean you almost act like Paterno was hanging with Sandusky in the office every day and high-fiving on the way out of the locker room.

Just to be clear, I'm not defending Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno admitted that using hind sight he wished he had done more. But please people understand that there are areas of gray in this tragedy and issues that will never be resolved regarding Paterno's inaction. Paterno will be judged for his conduct, but not by us. Perhaps it's just because of my time in law school, but there are areas of this story that cannot be proven and therefore should not be tossed around as fact.

onetwentyeight's picture

Sure Paterno is not legally liable in this instance. I don't think any of the JoePa critics are advocating we toss him in jail or before a court. But there's more to the Story that just the legal aspect of it. Joepa was a public figure and a sports figure. It seems clear to many of us that there are enough facts out to meet the burden of proof in our own minds as to whether or not he committed a GRAVE, grave moral error (in not bothering to stop Sandusky for 10+ yrs, not bothering to follow up on any of the alleged victims, etc). The evidence needed to meet this standard is obviously less than what is needed legally, so that's why JoePa was never charged. But just because he was never charged doesn't mean we can't accept the facts which are available and conclude that he more or less enabled a monster. 

You say "Paterno will be judged for his conduct, but not by us." ... then I ask, who gets to judge him? Obviously none of us knew the man personally. And I dont begrudge his family or personal friends for mourning him. But I dont get the PUBLIC outpouring of grief from people who never knew him. "Us" in this instance is the court of public opinion, and I think that he rightly deserves to be condemned here. 

 

To put it in lawL school terms: JoePa may have passed Crimlaw and Crimpro, but do his actions pass muster as far as Legal Ethics goes? 

DefendOhio's picture

What part of hearing little boys involved with coach Sandusky in the shower wouldn't set off an alarm to you? There is no excuse for this. Fact is he was told about little boys in the shower with an old asst coach. That alone should be enough to stop it if you're Joe Pa. No excuses for this sorry old P.O.S. Paterno. 

Pam's picture

The Prez of PSU and the AD told Joe in 2004 that they thought it was time for him to resign after 3 losing season. He told them he would decide when to retire and showed them the door. Who can do that if they are not the highest link in the food chain? Anyone who is familiar with State College knows that Joe had no bosses and whatever he said went.  He was way more than just the HC of Penn State football.

Maestro's picture

Watch any fairly recent interview with JoePa and you know exactly who ran the show at PSU.  He is completely dismissive of anyone who questions anything about PSU.

vacuuming sucks

DMcDougal24's picture

I know that practically speaking he was the man in charge at Penn State, but if they wanted him out they could have removed him. They just never had the stones to stand up to him. The organizational structure is what it is

BrewstersMillions's picture

We aren't arguing their ability to fire them. Yes, technically speaking, Joe Pa was the not highest dude on the org chart. We are arguing his ability to say "GTFO JERRY AND STFO" and no one would have argued with him. That is what my point is. But instead, everyone in the know-all the crotechety rich old men-decided that the brand was more important and did nothing until absolutley forced to. To hell with each and everyone of them, Joe included.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

William's picture

Agree with everything you've said on this topic Brewster.

BrewstersMillions's picture

Well said Pam.

 

DMC-We do know the facts man, that's what I'm saying. I just can't get over the notion that there are people who are saying we don't know enough to judge. We absolutley do. It is out there. A failure to recognize the ugly truth is the problem-that is why Joe will be a saint in State College and a villain to people who actually read the facts available. The guy knew and didn't stop it. AND COULD HAVE. This wasn't Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. This was Penn State Football. Joe said Jump, the school would ask him how high. No one in college football wielded the sort of pull over an entire school like Joe.

 

Like what? What areas can't be proven? He Knew. He didn't act. He said he should have. What else am I missing that can't proven?

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

DMcDougal24's picture

Please consider this hypothetical and decide if it would change anything. It's purely a hypothetical, I haven't heard anything regarding its veracity or anything that would lead to it being what actually happened.

Assume Joe Paterno noticed Sandusky on several occasions after he was told of the shower incident. He then went to his superiors again and informed them that he saw Sandusky around campus and asked about the status of his previous report. The higher ups tell Joe that they referred to matter to campus police, have investigated the report and found that it was without merit.

Does that put Joe in the clear? Does he still have an obligation to call the police?

This is just a hypothetical that first came to mind. There are plenty of different scenarios where Joe Paterno may have been reassured that Sandusky was innocent.  My main point in this whole thing is that we don't have all the answers and it's really unfair to jump to conclusions when we have only one person's side of the story.

BrewstersMillions's picture

That's where we differ then-and you've already hit on the fact that we won't agree with one another. We have at least two people's side of the story. McQueery's grand jury testimony and Paterno's weak quasi death bead confessional. One guy said he saw what he saw and told Joe and another said he should have acted differentley.

In that hypothetical, maybe he gets a little more clearence in my eyes but, and pardon my gutter talk here, if my aunt had a penis she'd be my uncle.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

DMcDougal24's picture

lol I'm glad we could end this conversation with a laugh. I certainly respect your opinion, but disagree until more comes out.

Poison nuts's picture

@DMCDOUGAL24 - I don't do a lot of online bickering - and that's not my intention here. I wrote something earlier and stated that on the whole, I believe Joe Paterno did plenty of good. What I wrote was more speaking to Phil Knights speech about the Sandusky incident and the crowds response. It was probably a subject best not brought up by Phil Knight in the first place - but it was. You're right nobody yet knows all the details - including Phil Knight. So when he uses a memorial service to to tell the world that Joe Paterno handled it properly - well - from what I know & believe, I have to disagree. The standing ovation after hearing that was, IMO, a group of decent people who wanted to feel better about a man who, from all indications, made an error in judgement that ended up ruining lives. When I think of Joe Paterno - I don't necessarily think poorly of him at all. But if someone says to me that he did what was right in the Jerry Sandusky matter, I won't stand up and applaud either. Even if that someone is the best shoe salesman in the world.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

BrewstersMillions's picture

People are speaking different languages about this.

 

"Inappropriate actions" is how some people say it. "Systematic Child Rape" is how others see it.

"Lapse in judgement" is how some people say it. "Years of making the same mistake over and over every day" is how other people see it.

 

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

Poison nuts's picture

Well - regardless of how politically correct I choose to be when framing my statements - "years of making the same mistake day after day" does sum up my general feelings on the subject. I just try to say it in a way that won't polarize my opinion from someone who sees it differently. I find most people tend to shut down and just argue their side of things if you don't use some finesse. You know - catching more bears with honey...I'm a father of a young child and have some pretty strong feelings when it comes to this (Sandusky/pedophiles) subject. That said - I do have to stop short of condemning everyone at PSU or saying that Joe Paterno was an evil man - that's just not how I see it.

"Do not pass me, just slow down - I can move right through you" Superchunk - Precision Auto.

DMcDougal24's picture

I agree with everything that you said. I don't blame the people at the memorial service for giving an ovation to Knight's speech, but the portion of the speech regarding Paterno's conduct was inappropriate for the event. Just as I criticize those for taking what we know and assuming other facts in a negative light, I criticize Knight for taking the facts of the case and jumping to conclusions and placing it in a positive light.

The event is a horrible tragedy under the facts we know. There are people that are racing to make it worse and there are people racing to make it better. I want people to stay in the middle and understand that there are shades of gray that will never be made dark or light.

BuckeyeJim's picture

The Poll was still not working for me. Also, Matta is tied at 32% with tsun. Let's get out the vote for Matta.

btalbert25's picture

I can't understand why, during the man's memorial, would someone bring up the Sandusky mess anyway.  Just honor the man for God Sake and don't bring up the most troubling chapter of his life in his memorial.  Leave that kind of crap for interviews with the media and just honor the great things a man did in his life.

   

Squirrel Master's picture

I agree! Don't make the man's funeral a platform for giving your opinion. Have some respect!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

biggy84's picture

The allegations against Sandusky didn't start with the 2002 incident. Any discussion of the 2002 incident without acknowledging why Sandusky "retired" in the late 90's is unfair in my opinion. This was not an isolated incident.

NC_Buckeye's picture

I've been trying to hold my tongue on all of this since the man's passing just happened a few days ago.

But Biggy what you say above is the most important thing to keep in mind as far as Paterno's culpability. After the original incident in 1998 (the one that WAS actually investigated by the PSU police dept) -- trust me -- there wasn't a person in the PSU Athletic Dept who didn't know about JS showering with a boy. And that included the entire PSU coaching staff (not just Paterno). That's why JS was forced to resign... ahem, retire at the age of 55. Is that conjecture on my part? Yep. But as an observer of human nature I'm willing to bet it's a fact.

Think about it. How good are people at keeping secrets in your office? Right. That's what I'm saying. Human nature says people are naturally going to seek out and repeat "why JS just retired out of the blue".

And in reponse to DMcDougal24 above. You need to read about Vicky Triponey, the Vice President of Student Affairs at PSU from 2003-07. She was forced out because of her clashes with Paterno for wanting to hold Nittany football players to the same standards as other PSU students when they had run-ins with the law.

There's not a doubt in my mind that Paterno had the keys to the kingdom in State College. Both the football program AND the PSU institution in general.

[Edit: Need more proof of Paterno's influence. Look at this Deadspin article:

Today's Wall Street Journal reports on the events behind Triponey's resignation: According to the Journal, not only did Paterno lobby for the power to make disciplinary decisions about football players himself, but he threatened then-Penn State president Graham Spanier that he would stop fundraising for the school if he didn't fire Triponey. Paterno's position, the paper reports, was that he did not want Penn State's code of conduct to be applied to athletes. And he encouraged football players not to cooperate with PSU Judicial Affairs' disciplinary proceedings in the case of one major brawl because, in the words of the Journal, "they would have to testify against each other, making it hard to play football together."

Gives a whole new meaning to Paterno's "Success with Honor" credo. Hypocrisy at its finest.]

 

 

AltaBuck's picture

I knew about Triponey but had not read JP's radio quote.  That really pisses me off. Pot Meet Kettle.

Even Paterno—when he appeared on a local sports radio show in the fall of 2005—proclaimed that “that lady in Old Main” (referring to the university’s administrative building) didn’t know how to deal with students because “she didn’t have kids.”

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William's picture

Phil Knight is a massive douche. Waiting for an applause at Paterno's memorial service? Scumbag....

DefendOhio's picture

It's amazing how ESPin has been glorifying Joe Pa with this coverage. Makes me sick to my stomach. I think of those poor children every time I see them parade him. Ugh

William's picture

BUT Tressel rigged a raffle in the 80s!!!!!!!

Maestro's picture

I read that his body language at the raffle was heard by people and questioned.

vacuuming sucks

Squirrel Master's picture

I heard Phil Knight gave a speech at the raffle and he didn't get any applause so ESPN decided to frame Tressel!

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Maestro's picture

Very suspicious

vacuuming sucks

thatlillefty's picture

haha, wtf is this guy doing?

Throw something at him

buckz4evr's picture

He's trying to hide the fact that he is on his computer   lol

ArTbkward's picture

Someone had to knit/sew that ridiculous thing.

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Squirrel Master's picture

all he needed to do is turn a sweater inside out. it would work all the same!

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Northbrook's picture

Tress pulled the wings off Tinkerbell.

onetwentyeight's picture

But i thought ESECPN was ANTI-B1G? What conference does Penn St play in? Why is ESPN edifying a child rapist enabler who was the patron figurehead of one of the most important teams in a conference that they're supposedly trying to take down?

 

To all you eSECpn conspiracy folks: Wouldn't the JoePa scandal be the PERFECT nuclear bomb hit-piece mushroom cloud to just cast over the entire B1G conference, if you were ESPN and you had an axe to grind ? What gives? 

 

 

Squirrel Master's picture

its not ESPN vs B1G! It's ESPN vs OSU. Some reason Tressel must have taken their poptart or something.

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onetwentyeight's picture

I honestly think this ^ may be the explanation. We will see soon enough. If the Urban Regime (GOD I love the sound of that) is treated differnetly by ESPN than how we were under JT then we can all probably conclude ESPN (or certain ESPN personalities) had something against Tressel, not necessarily the program. 

 

 

Squirrel Master's picture

That is a very good point. I would expect ESPN to slurp Urban like they used to at Florida. If they don't then we know where things lie. The answer will come this year!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

biggy84's picture

Tressel did not allow free reign to the media while he was in charge. I think that fact rubbed a lot of insecure reporters mad that he didn't kiss their ass.

btalbert25's picture

All I know about the JoePa ordeal is, I'm in no position to call the man scumbag or old P.O.S. like others have. What I do know is, there were thousands of lives made better because of JoePa.  The university was better because of his generosity.  Now I'm not saying that excuses his inaction or him not calling the police or whatever else people think he should have done.  Kids were hurt by his inaction.  All I know is, whether you want to admit it or not, Penn State, college football, the B1G, and hell the world for that matter was better for having Joe Pa around.  He helped way more people than I have ever or will ever be able to help. 

I don't know, anyway, I just feel like maybe we should all take a look at ourselves and our own lives and not be so quick to judge someone else.  I don't love Joe Pa I'm sure not calling him a scumbag.  I'm also sure not listenning to Mr. Knight's opinion. (who knows how many kids have been abused by his company making shoes and clothes that Americans love to wear.)  At any rate, we are all going to be judged for how we lived our lives at somepoint. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Last week, I pointed out that, if we're going to condemn JP for inaction/denial/blindness in the face of Sandusky's despicable, shocking crimes, then the list of condemned would be very long and it would include some of our uncles, grandparents, friends-of-the-family, etc. Most fortunately, we have progressed beyond the days when such inaction/denial/bindness was almost the social norm, but we can talk about this shame of silence without assigning to ourselves the power of damnation.

Keep in mind that when we refer to a crime as a "shocking," we partly mean the impact it can have on survivors, witnesses, people who know the criminal(s) and/or victim(s), and the public at large. At the extreme, people who are "in shock" as a result of a crime might go into a daze, become numb, have a sense of detachment, derealization, depersonalization or dissociative amnesia. More often, such effects are much less severe, but the crime still might seem kinda surreal to people who are at least semi-close to the situation. "Jerry Sandusky did what?" 

I'm not saying that JP experienced anything like that and I am by no means excusing his inaction/denial/blindness (or worse). However, it is not unusual for individuals to react in such ways. It is the job of culture, law, institutions, etc. to lay down relatively clear standards of how different people (citizens, family/friends of the accused, police officers, employers, etc.) are expected to respond to various types of wrongdoing and/or crimes. When the culture is sending murky messages (like in the past), that doesn't let individuals off the hook for failing to act in moral ways, but one case of inaction/denial/blindness shouldn't receive an excessive portion of the shame, either.     

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

This is waaaaayyyy off topic but this is just too funny not to post (especially since I can't stand kickers):

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/expect-delivery-billy-...

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Squirrel Master's picture

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncfrecruiting/midwest/post?id=1490

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH, we knew this already! In fact I would go as far as say OSU dropped him before he dropped OSU......

 

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Bucks43201's picture

736.

(Days since Tsun has beat tOSU in basketball. The streak continues Sunday. Bucks: 76 Wolves: 59).

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ArTbkward's picture

Off topic but here is a link in case anyone wants to post things about Craig James, like he killed 5 hookers at SMU.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)