Paterno to Retire at Season's End

By 11W Staff on November 9, 2011 at 11:11a

The gray box returns and bad news, although this time not for Ohio State fans.

Joe Paterno announced today that he will retire as Penn State's head coach at season's end, after a 46 year run in Happy Valley. While it is unknown whether Paterno was already planning on stepping down after 2011, it doesn't matter as his fate was sealed after information leaked about his knowledge of the child abuse scandal involving former trusted assistant, Jerry Sandusky.

In a statement released shortly after news of his retirement started to surface, Paterno said:

"I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief. I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can."

He went on further, saying:

"This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more. My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this university."

After an unbelievable run, which features a major college football record 409 wins, it is unknown how the latest revelations at Penn State will impact their football team going forward. Something like this could certainly negatively affect a team for the remainder of the season, although they may have lost their final three games regardless of the circumstances. With Paterno retiring, it could also help the team rally to try and "win one for the gipper" to send Joe Pa out on top.

Either way, one of college football's great legends is leaving the game, in a way none of us saw coming or could be pleased about.


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Bucksfan's picture

He should be fired by the end of the day.  I gave him the benefit of the doubt until I read that he knew about it and basically didn't do enough.  He acknowledges that truth, and as long as that's the truth, he should no longer be coaching at Penn State.

jack's picture

terrible way to end a brilliant career, but now that I think about it, just how brilliant was it.  every penn state player he ever coached received their moral code from a man who turned the other cheek on a child rapist in his own house.

Denny's picture

Can't imagine him actually going on the road for their games after Saturday. It'll be far too ugly if he does.

Everything about all of this is sad.


Maestro's picture

It is terribly sad.

I have no idea how Mike McQueary sleeps.

vacuuming sucks

Denny's picture

McQueary = Herc from The Wire. Discuss.


OHIOinME's picture

"I have no idea how Mike McQueary sleeps."  -Maestro


Yes! Thank you!

Matt's picture

He sleeps just fine, thank you.  

Sought after recruit, think Penn State!  Might I remind you that a lot of shit is going on at Ohio State right now, and the Nittany Lions have never been investigated by the NCAA.  Of course, maybe if i had called the cops about that kid being raped, rather than ran to my daddy, Penn State might have been investigated.  But then again, I probably wouldn't be the WR coach at PSU, either.  Success with honor!

Matt's picture

For me, the saga places Tressel in a slightly different light.  Tress deserved to be fired for his NCAA violations, but at least his bad actions were arguably motivated by his desire to protect his kids from harm.  Paterno's motives seem to cut in precisely the opposite direction.

Bucksfan's picture

That depends on which facts you choose to accept and which you discard.  Both coaches could be accused of putting winning over anything else.  "Protecting the kids" could just be coach speak for "Taking action likely means lost football games."

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Not sure I agree.  Tress knew before the season started and easily could have sat the players involved for the first few games.  I do NOT believe Tress in ANY way put winning first. Not only is it  illogical given the teams we faced the beginning of that season (Miami was the third game), but everything we know about Tressel is contrary to this.

Tressel was protecting his kids. PSU was protecting adults at the expense of kids. Not even in the same playing field.


On a side note, some people at BSD have concluded JoePa should not come to C-bus for the game because of the the things 'we' will say and do....

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jenks's picture

I wouldn't say everyone at OSU or Camp Randall would do something wrong, but I wouldn't put it past a few. I would say the same thing at just about any other school, too. I wouldn't so much fear for safety because they can keep teams physically separated fairly well, but it will get into their psyche.

Bucksfan's picture

Really?  First of all, you're wrong about the penalty only being 2 games.  They would have sat out for at least 4 games, if the AJ Green case was any indication...since he basically did the same thing.

You think we could have beaten those teams easily?  Joe Bauserman starting?  Jordan Hall?  No Mike Adams?  No Devier Posey?  Maybe the first 2, but Miami would have rolled us.

Again, I'll reiterate that this is a "whatever you choose to believe about the man is your business" type of situation.  You want to believe Tressel had the kids' own interest at heart, that's fine.  I can just as easily justify his actions being about winning championships, Heismans, and nothing else.  Tressel saw first hand what star player taking improper benefits can cost the program, not once, but TWICE.  Maybe he was tired of it and took a chance.

Not doing the right thing ALWAYS backfires.  Instead of taking his lumps and turning the kids into the NCAA, he lost his job, got Ohio State in boiling water, exposed Ohio State University's AD and President as being only about winning, vacated everything they were working towards anyway, and left the B1G without a premier national power.  NOTHING is worth protecting for that.  NOTHING.

DallasTheologian's picture

There was an agent involved in the Green case... big difference.

awwwwwwop's picture

I am pretty sure the NCAA actually cited the AJ Green case in its ruling on Ohio State, but added on an extra game for not coming forward with the information once they knew that they had recieved improper benefits.  I am not saying you can trust the NCAA or its consistency, but taking them at face value, it was a 4-5 game suspension in December or August.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

NC_Buckeye's picture

Explain the Miami suspension lengths then. They weren't near as bad as what the Tat-5 received.

I think the NCAA singled us out because of public outcry and what was going on with Miss State & Newton's dad.

Bucksfan's picture

Because it was based on $ amounts received.

NW Buckeye's picture

BS.  Miami players did not get comparable suspensions to other athletes who received like amounts of improper benefits.  Players ranging from $100 to $700 received a one (1) game suspension.  Other players from other schools received from 2 to 4 games for the same amount of benefits with one game added if they did not volunteer the information when questioned.  And, the dollar amounts were figured on benefits that you could actually put a price tag on - dinners, hotel rooms, etc.  No dollar amounts were figured in for the evenings spent with prostitutes (at least I did not see any of those figures in the reports).  

Also, the Boise player who took ~ $14,000 got a 6 game suspension - one more than Posey got for around $700 that the NCAA said was work not performed despite depositions from the employer and fellow employees that verified the work had been done - including cell phone records that proved he was on the work site for all hours paid.   

All this just implies that the NCAA does not enforce sanctions equally, nor do they care. 

btalbert25's picture

Didn't they get 5 games because they were allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl?   The NCAA threw Ohio State a bone and let them play, in exchange the suspension was a little more stern.

NW Buckeye's picture

They got 5 games because one was added for not being completely honest on the first round of questioning.  The "play in the bowl" thing was there because of a clause in the NCAA bylaws that allows them to commence the sanctions the following season when playoffs or post season games are involved.  The suspension would have been 5 games regardless of when it started. 

DarthSweaterVest's picture

No, they threw the BCS and the Sugar Bowl a bone as the BIG and the Sugar Bowl petitioned to let the players play as the SUgar Bowl didn't want to lose out on ratings/money

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Umm, if we handle the situation internally, bench the kids the first two games, maybe NCAA would have levied more sanctions, maybe not (see the UM scandal for proof of this--not your speculation). 

Oh, and if you think this Tress would have handled this the exact same way minus a federal investigation, you are just plain wrong.

I guess Posey, Adams and TP had everything to do with the D's four interceptions in that game, huh? Think what you want.  You want to lump what JT did in with this PSU tragedy, do your thing. Even if its misguided.


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Bucksfan's picture

We got 15 points in that Miami game from Barclay, and that was with Pryor at the helm.  There's no way Bauserman leads the team by himself into range of the Uprights or scores any TDs.

You can handle a situation internally and suspend the players for 2 games all you want.  That doesn't mean the NCAA doesn't hand down its own penalty.  Having an agent involved didn't matter.  What the NCAA has been levying as punishment is based on dollar amounts received.  The NCAA didn't suspend the Tat-5 for Tressel's lie.  They suspended them for 5 games based on what they, the players, did.

You guys need to chill about the Tressel-Paterno comparisons.  It's bound to happen.  Neigboring states, same conference, 2 scandals involving coaches that didn't speak up when they should have.  There are a lot of similarities.  Saying one is worse than the other is what I'm warning Ohio State fans about.  Getting all high and mighty with moral supremacy is absurd.  It has been my opinion all along that Gee and Smith should no longer be employed at Ohio State for the way they handled the scandal, and yet our board of directors did nothing.  Tressel was never fired.  Tressel's actions exposed OSU as a win-at-all-cost institution.  No one person should be above the integrity of the school, and Ohio State botched its opportunities to express that loudly and clearly.  Maybe had they set an example, Boom Herron and Devier Posey would have thought twice about taking that job.

Penn State should be getting rid of a LOT of people, and it looks like they will be doing that.  Paterno should be one of those fired by 5PM today.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Having an agent involved DID matter as I believe it is a separate violation in and of itself.

There is no reasoning with someone who feels tOSU is a win-at-all-costs institution.  That is absurd.  There are many examples of how we are NOT that kind of place (no oversigning, no outright payment of players, recruiting violations, ect). Besides, how easy could the University have covered this up this if they had really, really wanted to? Inviting the NCAA to investigate along side of them when they first found the e-mails was certainly a shady thing to do, right?

You irritated me with your characterization of Tressel, but saying this about the University has really pissed me off. Tressel was never fired???? I guess it was a coincidence his 'retirement' just so happend to be at the time of the scandal. Gee and Smith, as inept as they were at public relations, were never implicated in any cover-up. Calling for Gee's head is ascinine.  You want to be mad at the University for something, make it the way the went about sacrificing Posey--that was pretty win-at-all costs with a freshman QB, huh?

Neighboring states and being in the same conference does NOT qualify these two situations to be compared whatsoever.  The only thing they have in common is being college football coaches and their actions resulting in scandals. Equating a coach who doesnt report infractions to the NCAA to not reporting FELONY CHILD ABUSE to the police is perposterous. I dont think any of us are now relieved that the attention is focused elsewhere--to insinuate that is a disgrace the victims involved and offensive to me as a human being. THESE TWO THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.

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Bucksfan's picture

Then why did the NCAA suspend Pryor, et al. for MORE games than AJ Green BEFORE we knew Tressel lied?  We didn't know Tressel lied until February.  So, get your chronology right before you go spouting off about penalties.

Gee came out and said in an interview that he had to worry more about being fired by Tressel than the other way around.  That's beyond embarrassing.  Smith tried everything in his power to make sure Tressel got off as lightly as possible...suspending Tressel for 2 games and fining him.

You can whine and moan all you want about what you think the University may have done behind the scenes.  None of that matters.  What matters is what the University needed to do in public, and failed to do it.

Sacrificing Posey?!  What?!  That's an NCAA suspension, not an Ohio State suspension.

Anyway, my expectation was for Ohio State to act strongly and with its integrity in mind.  They didn't.  It's embarrassing, and it's not something I stand for.

Penn State has a lot of heads to roll.  We'll see if they do.  If they fire Paterno this week, then they will have done something that Ohio State didn't have the guts to do.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I forgot, the NCAA is so fair and judicious in their rulings that it MUST be because what our players did was so, so damning.  Chronology, shmnology. Explain the Boise player then smarty-pants.

Gee made a joke to provide some levity, yeah definately a fire-able offense. I dont have too many excuses for the disaster of a press conference, but to call for Gee's firing over that statement makes you look like an idiot.

Regarding Posey, do you follow these stories or just 'spout off' about them? Pretty sure his attorney, and some distinguished folks around these parts, were up in arms that Posey had some documentation to support his side of things and the University would not consider it and thus, no appeal.  We look like we are taking a 'stand' and Mr. Posey, allow me to introduce you to the wheels of the bus.

I have never been on a horse as high as yours, so tell me, how's the view?



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Bucksfan's picture

Right, because that was the ONLY time Gee has said something boneheaded regarding football.  The guy has never said anything admirable regarding football while at Ohio State, dating back to his first term.  As the highest paid public university president, he makes us all look like football-obsessed jack*sses...and he needs to take more responsibility than he does.

Again check your facts.  It was the NCAA that did not consider the evidence Posey presented, not Ohio State.  And it didn't matter what he was paid or how many hours he worked, anyway.  That type of job (from a booster) needed to be approved by Ohio State's compliance office in the first place, and Posey didn't get that done.  It's no shocker that Ohio State hasn't appealed.

High horse?  How about we start breeding a culture of compliance and excellence at Ohio State instead of buffoonery?  How about we go 5 years without having an improper benefits scandal?  There's nothing about which to be on a high horse in the first place.  If the Tressel scandal didn't knock you off of the high horse we were already on, there's something wrong with how you view the situation.

William's picture

Gee doesn't make us look like football obsessed jackasses. In fact he has done the opposite as university president. He is taking this university to unprecedented academic heights. We're already tied with Texas for 13th best public university in the nation; at the the rate OSU is ascending, OSU may be on terms with UVA, or UC-Berkley when Gee steps down.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

The only buffoonery around here is your initial comparison of our situation and PSU's. You are wrong about tOSU not backing Posey--they could have and didn't. Period. My point in that was a counter to your assertion that we are a win-at-all costs university, as not lobbying for Posey is the exact opposite of that kind of institution. I guess u are too busy telling me to check my facts to back up your opinions. And like William pointed out, firing Gee for saying dumb stuff doesn't make any sense. Besides if that were a legit basis for firing somebody, you would certainly be unemployed.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Sorry for the threadjack here.

Angel, since you work in the Child Protective Services realm maybe you could do a blog entry on the victims. I've read a little about victims of pedophiles developing their own sexual problems, inabilities to develop healthy relationships, trust issues, as well as a trend to become sexual predators themselves. But I figure you're probably more qualified to address this...

For instance, what is the likelihood that Sandusky, himself, was the victim of a sexual predator as a child?

We keep talking about feeling sorry for the victims which got me to wondering what road lies ahead for them.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Highly likely, but understanding the difference between a sex offender and a pedophile is a good place to start.  Sex offenders offend children in lieu of having sex with someone else, meaning they would rather have sex with an adult, but there is not one willing or able to at that time, so they offend the child instead.  A pedophile, however, is actually attracted to children and they are the source of the sexual arousal. Sandusky is an obvious pedophile and the majority of these kind of offenders are created by being victims themselves.  In addtion to the trauma, shame, and blame felt by the once victims, the abuse can retard their development and thus they are sort of stuck at whatever stage they began being violated, so sometimes the age of the targeted victim is correlated to the age at which they were victimized themselves. Beyond the loss of innocence in this case is the loss of the ability to recover from the trauma.  Without the opportunity to effectively process the events, there is a high likelyhood the victims do suffer some form of sexual deviance (not necessarily offending children, but can be hyper-sexual or have adverse feelings toward sex), engage in risk-taking activites, suffer frpm ptsd, depression, anxiety, self-esteem issues--basically every adverse mental health situation you can imagine.  Because of the nature of this abuse (man/boy), there is a high degree of shame involved and the probability of the child self-reporting is very low.  Thus, speculation of course, it is doubtful these kids, now young men, have effectively dealt with these issues and I can say with almost certainty that if they have not had any interventions, they have all the aforementioned issues as well as substance abuse problems and violence somewhere in their lives to a degree. So, the short answer is yes, amoung all the victims there is a good chance someone grew up to be an offender.  All is not lost however.  With the right theraputic approach, they can heal from it.  Hopefully now that the story is out there and the curtain has been lifted, those who have not sought any kind of help now may be empowered to do so.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

Pretty much as I expected. It's shocking to see it listed like that though. "The abuse can retard their development" made me instantly think of Michael Jackson. I believe the rumor is that Joe allegedly molested him as a child.

Added to all of the above, of course, is that all f Sandusky's victims were already behind the eight-ball in coming from at-risk backgrounds.

Thank you for writing that. And thank you for doing what you do.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I appreciate the kind words, but no thanks necessary.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

JLP36's picture

sensitivity lessons from the school that has fans that throw bags of piss at the other school's band...


Jdadams01's picture

I'm not a JoePa fan, but this is sad for him that it ends this way. I do believe, though, that the key statement there is "I wish I had done more." Penn State fans deserved more. The players deserved more. Most of all, those kids and their families deserved more.

Mike's picture

Joe Pa won't last the season.

The only people I feel for in this mess are the kids who's lives are ruined.  I don't feel the least bit sorry for Joe Pa or anyone involved with Penn State athletics.  The Penn State fans don't deserve this, only because no fan base deserves this.  But let's remember, they were the loudest critics vilifying Tressel for doing far less while preaching from their pedestal about the "moral high ground."

Lastly, at the root of this is a fundamental difference between Ohio State and Penn State.  Tressel and Buckeye Nation at least understood that nobody is bigger than Ohio State.  With Joe Pa refusing to step down after being asked by the board, and delaying his retirement to the end of the year, proves that Penn State IS Joe Paterno.  They will struggle with the aftermath of this scandal for a long time.

Jdadams01's picture

This. I thought Paterno trying to corner the Board of Trustees into letting him finish the season was selfish. I don't think Paterno being the public face of that university is smart right now. Especially travelling to other schools. I've always thought that Paterno hanging on so long there was all about him and not what was best for the school. Now I have no doubts.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I also feel bad for the players on that football team.  Those kids had nothing to do with this.  They're just trying to get an education and play some football in hopes of having a career either in the NFL or in their field of study, and then this big shitstorm happens, and the future of Penn State football is thrown up in jeopardy.  It has to suck.

The fans, I feel less sorry for.  They're a bunch of douchebags to begin with, but I can say that even they don't deserve something quite like this.  If it were something similar to OSU/USC/BSU/GT/UNC/etc, they'd totally deserve it. 

I feel most sorry for the victims.  They're the most important people at this time, and justice is the most important thing. 

Class of 2010.

DJ Byrnes's picture

The sound you hear is Urban Meyer cackling and screaming, "THE PRICE ON A BRICK JUST WENT UP, OHIO STATE"

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

SLVRBLLTS's picture

Haha I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking "Well that just drove up our ante for Meyer." I really need to get my priorities straight.

"Because we couldn't go for three"

BuckJI's picture

I'd recommend not reading any Penn State blogs.  They're turning Paterno into a martyr so fast he'll be canonized before kickoff.

Luke's picture

Black Shoe Diaries has actually done a mostly fabulous job.

Jdadams01's picture

Agreed. If Tressell had sat on info about kids being sexually abused, I'd want to beat him with a bat.

Denny's picture

Agreed. Grovich especially has been writing some very well-thought out pieces.


ArTbkward's picture

Also agree.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...

(Also, I'm not a dude)

BuckJI's picture

True enough.  The comments are where everything goes downhill.

Jdadams01's picture

Agree on this. Should have clarified above.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Black Shoe Diaries has actually done a mostly fabulous job.

Luke, you mean the site and not the commentariat, right? Because I think the commentariat at BSD are still maintaining Paterno did nothing wrong and are ready to canonize him. Just sickening IMO.

Jason Priestas's picture

Yep. While Luke does have a bit of a... ahem... conflict of interest here, the new crew at BSD has been doing a bang-up job on the editorial side since they took over following Hubbell's departure.

Denny's picture

At the bar on Monday, Luke showed me his 'ALL SBN EVERYTHING' gold chain.*

*It's still in beta-testing


jenks's picture

That's like trying not to look at a terrible car crash. Especially when it's almost lunch time.

jfrank373's picture

So how much sleep is Jim Delaney getting right now?

Philly White's picture

In the end, after all the praise and accolades we have this:

Joe Paterno, bystander.


William's picture

I'd go a bit more Westboro Baptist on Joe Paterno and say:

Joe Paterno, perv enabler...

BrewstersMillions's picture

We have a winner. There is going to be a ton of bleeding heart BS about Joe Pa and his legacy but this dude was part of the reason Sandusky did this for so long. That is exactly the reputation he will always have in my eyes going forward.

Kyle's picture

As Batman once said, "Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain."  The reality is few coaches leave their schools on good terms.  Most are fired for not getting the job done and some are fired for scandals or NCAA violations.  Most aren't sullied by child molestation but the point remains.  There was always agood chance Paterno was going out as a villain.  He's had a temper tantrum every time somebody suggested he should step down because he was too selfish and determined to do it his way (I also think what happened to Bear Bryant plays a big part in his mentality).



Mark's picture

Everyone involved who knew what happened, needs to  If they are allowed to stay until the end of the season, that's bullshit.

I agree with Maestro about McQueary.  If I would've witnessed what he witnessed....first off, the situation & Sandusky would've been dealt with.  And then I would've called authorities as i would be the one probably going to jail.


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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

It's situations like this where humanity is truly disappointing.  First, you have the person who did this.  Second, you have the people who allowed this to continue, both actively and passively. And third, and the people who disappoint me the most, are the backseat drivers, innocent bystanders, holier than thou's and hypocrites that come out to point fingers.

Read my entire screen name....

Jdadams01's picture

If you are referring to those of us so we are sickened by JoePa as the "holier than thou hypocrites", then I'm kinda disturbed. I'm not perfect, and I'll gladly admit I mess up a lot, but people who let kids get raped without consequences deserve to be called out and shamed.

Denny's picture

I think we're rapidly approaching the point where everyone just tries to show that they're so much more offended by the situation than others are.

Helen Lovejoys, all of us.


William's picture

Or it could be that people are just pissed or upset that something like this could happen. I know its hard not to make a snarky smart-ass remark to every post on here for you.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Everyone forgets that they've never actually been in that situation. We love to blame people for the bad things that happen, but always fail to put ourselves in the situation. No one knows how they are going to react until they get hit the mouth. In order for this to happen, many people made some egregious mistakes, but we are, indeed, human.  I'm not saying people are without fault, blame and what not, I'm saying that people need to cool it.  This is a terrible situation and all people want to do is bitch about it.  How about we try to move on, learn from it and work on rebuilding these kids and their families.  No one wanted this to happen.

Read my entire screen name....

btalbert25's picture

It's sad how many times stuff like this gets covered up instead of getting dealt with.  Some many times the Victim never gets justice because powers that be want the situation to go away. I know my university had a rape on campus, the girl who was raped was given a bunch of money and the school paid her tuition at the school of her choice when she transferred.  All of this was done so that the information about the violent crime on campus never got reported. 

So many times this kind of crap happens.  People are convinced to keep quiet or paid to do so, and in the end justice never gets served.

I can't stand when people try to compare this to Tressel too.  Number 1, we have no idea why Tressel did what he did.  We have a half assed press conference to draw our conclusions about the situation.  Comparing the 2 is stupid.  We aren't winners because what Tressel did wasn't as bad as what Joe Pa didn't do.  Lives were ruined in Happy Valley, and the story alone should make everyone feel horrible because it is a tragedy.  We shouldn't be happy that it happened to Penn State, or happy that our coach and our scandal doesn't look so bad now.

Also, though no NCAA rules were broken here, the NCAA absolutely needs to jump in here and destory that program.  How can they sit idle when one of their member institutions had something like this going on for so long where no one even attempted to stop it.  They need to show so leadership here as well and prove they are about protecting kids at the end of the day.  Will they have the courage to get involved?

Denny's picture

Standing O for your third graf here. Spot-on.


Buckeyejason's picture

The fact that he didn't go out of his way enough to get that perv kicked out of the program makes me feel no remorse for the ending of his coaching career. Reading the Paterno worshippers on BSD makes my stomach turn.


NW Buckeye's picture

This sucks.  Yes, it is a shame that one of college football's icons is going down in flames like this.  But, there is no way he should be on the field for the remaining 3 games.  The Grand Jury saw fit to indict the AD and CFO, but leave JoPa alone?  The AD and the CFO only found out about the details of this because Jo brought it to their attention, and Jo knew more that he is letting on (from one of the many articles on this):

In explaining his actions, Paterno has said he was not told of the graphic nature of an alleged 2002 assault by Jerry Sandusky, a former assistant coach, of a young boy in the football building’s showers. He said the graduate assistant coach who reported the assault, Mike McQueary, said only that something disturbing had happened that was perhaps sexual in nature.

But yesterday, a person with knowledge of McQueary’s version of events called Paterno’s claim into question. The person said McQueary had told those in authority the explicit details of what he saw, including in his meeting with Paterno the day after the incident.

Just how is it that the Grand Jury is not after JoPa as well as the others?  The law is very specific on this.  Both McQueary and JoPa were under legal obligation to report this to law enforcement officials, not just their superiors.  And, McQueary disclosed to the Grand Jury exactly what he told JoPa. 

Now, JoPa is offerring his "retirement" not resignation at the end of the season and telling the Board of Trustees to not waste their time on him.  He will be gone. 

HE WAS GOING TO BE GONE ANYWAY AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  Just how does his "retirement" change anything that was not going to occur at the end of the season?

Penn State will have to endure the intitial public outcry, but they will be far better off next season.  They get a whole new coaching staff - one that they now have the luxury of pursuing full time.  There will be no NCAA sanctions.  They lose no scholarships, there is no post season ban.  Yet, the crimes that were comitted are among the most greivous of acts imaginable.

Contrast that with schools that recieve NCAA sanctions for players recieving improper benefits.  Yes, those schools deserve santions, but for the NCAA to completely ignore a scandal that will give college football the worst black eye ever is ludicrous to say the least.  Above all, the NCAA wants to insure the integrity of the game.  To turn a blind eye to situations like this is almost as bad as PSU officials not reporting the crimes in the first place. 

You can say that I am being reactionary.  OK.  But, having been a youth sports coach I recognize that there is absolutely no reason to protect anyone who rapes a youth, particularly a person in authority.

Imagine that this would have happened in the NFL, NBA or MLB.  The team involved would face severe penalties, most likely in the form of fines, and possibly the siezure of ownership by the league.  For the NCAA to sit on the sidelines on this is reprehensible. 

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Crippling Penn state's football team doesn't do anything except create a living, breathing, poop-sandwich memorial to one of the poop-sandwichiest things to happen ever.


NW Buckeye's picture

I am not suggesting that the NCAA seize anything.  However, if they are all about protecting the integrity of the game they need to do something.  Can you name one other collegiate scandal that is as sickening as this one?  And, to suggest that public opinion will sufficiently remedy this situation is ludicrous.  College football and the NCAA gets another black eye by doing nothing about this.  I have friends who are not college football fans who think the NCAA is a joke.  Their inaction on this and other legal incidents (LSU Q for example) simply goes a long way to fueling those thoughts.  Come down hard on a school for a player or players accepting improper benefits as little as $100, yet ignore the multiple criminal actions perpetrated by those involved in the game.  I'm just saying that the pro leagues have a code of conduct that prohibits criminal acts.  The NCAA needs to get on board with this as well if they really want to protect their image.  And, if a poop sandwich needs to be created to make sure it doesn't happen again, so be it.  But right now the clear message they are sending is that they really don't care about criminal activity at a school, they just don't want athletes cashing in on their 15 seconds of fame.  Screwed up morality. 

See the post below quoting Jalen Rose.  That is not a minority opinion. 

joel121270's picture

Sadly, you are correct and I agree with this whole heartedly. I am not saying this because of "thank God it's not OSU" (which I must say thank God!) But how can they sit idley(?) by with something like this? Of course, I am sure they will say we'll see what happens in court.

Riggins's picture

Guys, I know it's an easy emotion to run to after all the pains we went through with Tressel's exit, but we really don't need to say "Well at least Tressel wasn't involved in something this bad."  We know it wasn't.  It's stating the obvious.  This tragedy goes beyond college football.  Let's save the Tressel justifications/comparisons.


Buckeyebrowny919's picture

does anyone get the feeling from ESPN that Paterno is being "wrongly made the villain?"

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cronimi's picture

I wouldn't know as I no longer read espin website or watch their programming (except for CFB games).  But it wouldn't surprise me if that was their angle on the story.  Maybe they've been reading some of the BSD coverage.

jenks's picture

I'm slightly inclined to agree with BSD. Paterno has a part in this, but he's not the lead. My disagreement is that Paterno is the face, life isn't fair (especially with the media), and if anyone should know and understand this, it is Paterno himself.

SilverBullet33's picture

JoePa is responsible on some level but I agree that it's unfair of him to be the face of this tragedy. Sandusky just by being the less famous of the two is getting somewhat of a free pass. The WWL just yesterday had Tom Rinaldi put together what came across as a tribute to Sandusky as a coach. The victims families immediately came to mind. Horrible.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

hard to disagree



Bucksfan's picture

Except for the fact that Jalen's statement makes no sense.  The question to be asked is how can Joe Paterno be allowed to coach the rest of the season?  Period.  End of question.  There is no other qualifier needed.  This is not in the NCAA's jurisdiction.  It is in Penn State's best interest to get as far away from Joe Paterno as possible.

RBuck's picture

I think that Paterno should be gone immediately. But in reality he hasn't really coached for years, Hell, the TV cameras last week caught him nodding off during their game; they quickly panned away.

Long live the southend.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I do believe sources have confirmed that JoePa fulfilled his legal obligation.  If that is the case, he technically did nothing that broke federal, state, or NCAA laws.  Could he have done more - yes.  Should he have had done more - he said so himself, but he didn't have hindsight then.  This is just a terrible situation, and we shouldn't dwell on why it happened other than to learn from the mistakes made.

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William's picture

How did he fulfill his legal obligation? What police officer, or social worker did he call to report the abuse? Because according to PA law that's what you are supposed to do, not report to your athletic director.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I said "according to sources."  This appears to be where it's at right now, although I have seen some reports saying that he could be charged on other accounts.  So as things stand right now, there's only a moral basis for his firing - which could be enough - if you want to assume that this whole thing was his fault (FYI - reports say that he also told the VP of PSU - still not a cop).  Personally, this is a terrible thing that has happened and I think that instead of trying find scapegoats and vigilante justice, we should focus all of these emotions on helping the victims.


"If you read the grand jury document very closely, Joe fulfilled his legal obligation," he said. "The other questions that everyone has, only Joe can answer. He will do that when he's got the right opportunity. The front yard of his house in front of his car is not the place to do it."

Authorities have said that Paterno, who testified in the grand jury proceedings that led to the charges against Sandusky, is not a target of the investigation. But the state police commissioner has chastised him and other school officials for not doing enough to try to stop the suspected abuse.

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jenks's picture

23 Pa Const Stat 6311:

that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313.

Joe only had to report to his superior. Once he did, the superior became liable.

I saw (but didn't read) that SI did a story on how Joe might still be in trouble for perjury based on conflicting reports about what McQ told him and what he told the grand jury. Maybe then it comes up he didn't actually report to his superiors...?

Also, he may still have had a civil duty and get sued there, but I don't see that going anywhere.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Yea, I've heard he could potentially face perjury if he lied about what he was told and/or obstruction of justice if he softened his report or didn't report all the details to his superior.

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sharkvsghost's picture

The same PSU commentariat who have insisted that JoePa was more than the "face" of the program over the last several seasons, now want him exhonorated on the basis that he is only the "face" of the program. Ironic, no?

swing hard in case you hit it.

BuckeyeChief's picture

imho most of the stuff I've read or heard on ESPN is anti-JoePa.

PS I bought a t-shirt at the nike outlet store that is scarlet and gray and says "Hero to Villian"; at the time, it was made as a dis shirt to Lebron James (they also had one that said "It's good to be the King"). The longer I've had and worn the shirt (only to the gym) it makes sense; you die a hero or live long enough to be the villian.

JoePa f*cked up; Tressel f*cked up. 2 different situations, one was holding info regarding a fed case that could've / should've been disclosed but in the grand scheme of life nobody was significantly hurt as far as we know. In the other, well, lives are shattered.

Fuck the world. I'm going for a run; JoePa fucked up, but I really respected him as a coach, served with guys who are family friends of his, and I didn't want to see him retire like this.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

Paterno may still face charges. Michael McCann, Sports Law Professor, explains the various legal dealings that may play out.

If the federal Dept of Justice gets involved (several lawmakers are alleging a violation of the Clery Act), then there is still a possibility that he may be charged.

Given this I would expect the PSU BOT to not allow him to coach another game.

NW Buckeye's picture

This is exactly why it is premature to say JoPa did what was required.  There are so many ways of looking at this.  Did he relay the info completely?  Did he do his due diligence to make sure it would not happen again?  Lots of questions.  Heck, as far as the perjury question - does JoPa even remember well enough to have perjured himself?  Even without questions about all of this my wife and I thought he was displaying signs of dementia when interviewed earlier this year and last (my wife worked as a supervisor on a dementia unit for many years and has a lot of experience in evaluating individuals).  What a mess.  And, as the article points out, the civil lawsuits will begin soon.  I would be surprised to see JoPa weather this storm and survive more than 2 years.  Confusing events take a huge toll on seniors.  Whether you are a JoPa supporter or not, this is a very sad situation for someone of his age to have to endure.  But, we reap what we sew......


Bucksfan's picture

Oh man, you can't give him a pass just because he's old.  He refused to step down all of those years, even when the University administratin wanted to move on.  If he was too old to do the job, then the decision to step down should have been made for him.

No, he could have charges filed against him if it turns out the details he relayed were inaccurate - it's called failure to report a crime.  It can be a big deal if they can prove it.  The fact that an investigation is going on is reason enough to part ways with him now.

NW Buckeye's picture

I actually agree completely with you.  I only brought up the age thing because it is out there, but he should not get a free pass because of it.  My mother in law was murdered by an 82 year old man.  You can bet your sweet a** we did not ask the judge for leniency because of his age.  He was sentenced to life in prison and died there. 

NW Buckeye's picture

Paterno is done, the Trustees had balls.

NC_Buckeye's picture

ESPN just reported that Paterno has been dismissed as coach.
Effective immediately. Tom Bradley will act as interim coach for the remainder of their season.

Sounds like Spanier has been dismissed as well.