Five Things: Michigan

By Chris Lauderback on November 27, 2011 at 2:00p
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AP: C. OsorioOrhian Johnson and company shot blanks all day

The Buckeye offense shocked everyone by showing up and playing an aggressive brand of football but it went for naught as the Silver Bullets were once again completely overwhelmed by talent at the skill positions. The result was a 40-34 defeat at the hands of Brady Hoke's boys, the first in eight tries by that team up north. 

Michigan's first win since before Facebook was born officially brought back the hate in the rivalry as too many Buckeye fans were getting spoiled, viewing victory as a foregone conclusion. With Denard Robinson shredding the defense in spectacular fashion, Hoke igniting his fanbase with "Ohio" blather and now Urban set to come aboard and bring OSU back to prominence, it's going to be one hell of a battle on November 24, 2012 in the 'Shoe. 

But before we turn the page to next year's edition of the best rivalry in sports, we must first take our medicine in the form of what could actually be the last Five Things of the year if the Buckeyes bail - or are forced to bail - on the bowl season. 

braxton's heroics come up just short

As a true freshman making his first start in The Game, Braxton Miller did virtually everything he could to overcome the defense's inability to even slow down the Wolverine offense. 

What will hopefully not overshadow what he did amazingly well in this game are the couple of deep balls he missed that could have given Ohio State an upset victory. 

The most glaring miss came when he overthrew Posey on 3rd and 6 from the OSU 24 yard line with 1:48 left in the game. He made the read but simply overshot Posey who had gained at least three yards separation on the nearest defender. The missfire should've been a 74 yard TD giving OSU a 41-40 lead but of course there's no guarantee the Bullets don't cough up that lead with at least 1:30 on the clock. The spike a few plays later on 3rd and 6 also didn't help the cause but it doesn't even come to that if he hits Posey for six. 

The overthrow to Posey was a bit of deja vu as he also missed DeVier for an easy TD on Ohio State's fifth possession of the game, a badly thrown 3rd and 7 ball toward the front left pylon. The Buckeyes were forced to settle for a FG and a 16-10 deficit. He also missed Philly but that's enough of what didn't go right for #5. What did go right is enough to know he's going to be THE major factor the next three years as the Buckeyes look to bounce back in 2012 and beyond. 

A sampling of what did go right for the kid includes:

  • Leading OSU on a TD drive to open the game hitting Philly in stride for a 54 yard strike and an early 7-0 lead. The read was perfect as the safety jumped over the help on DeVier and Philly broke open downfield allowing Braxton to drop the throw over the top for six. 
  • Calling an audible on 3rd and 6 to a QB keeper that resulted in 24 yards eventually leading to the FG cutting the lead to 16-10. After Shazier caused a fumble giving OSU the ball at the UM 31, Braxton made two ridiculous jukes on the way to a 19 yard TD run making it 17-16 good guys. 
  • Looking to answer a UM touchdown that made it 24-23 Wolverines, Miller audibled to an eight yard out route to Posey on 1st down and five plays later hit Posey again, this time a 43 yard TD strike to take a 24-23 lead into the locker room. 
  • After Michigan punter Will Hagerup failed to catch the snap, sharting himself in the process, Braxton led the offense onto the field from the UM 32 yard line. On 2nd and 6 he kept left for 20 yards on another ankle breaking run bbut then Bollman went all Bollman with the playcalling and OSU could only get a FG cutting the lead to 30-27. 
  • After UM answered the FG with a TD drive taking a 37-27 lead, Braxton went to work on a must-score possession from the OSU 20. On 2nd and 10 he found Stoney for a 36 yard catch and run. On the next play he hit Hall in stride on a well-timed wide screen for 16 yards. Now at the UM 28, Miller found Fragel on a crossing route for another 20 yards. Boom punched it in from there cutting the UM lead to 37-34. 

If not for these plays from Miller, among others, the game is obviously a lopsided affair. With them, in spite of the loss, the kid gained a ton of experience and will undoubtedly enter The Game next year out for blood. That should worry Michigan fans as his 335 total yards (235 pass, 100 rush) were just two short of Denard's nintendo day against a much softer defense. Miller's numbers put him about two years ahead of Smith and Pryor when it comes to Michigan game production. 

Bullets misfire once again

The Luke Apologists spent all year hanging their hat on the fact Fickell had no say in the offensive staff and therefore couldn't be blamed for the struggles to score points. Obviously, there were other factors like suspensions and such but we'll talk about that later. The point here is that Fickell is a defensive guy and the defense was again a huge reason this team couldn't win one game over the final three. 

Yesterday, the Bullets surrendered 277 yards on the ground for average of roughly six yards a pop. Combined with the 239 they allowed to Penn State, that's 516 yards rushing in TWO GAMES against an Ohio State defense. I know, I know. Injuries were definitely a factor. Apparently, so was the inability to develop linebackers and safeties. The one hire Luke did make, Mike Vrabel, didn't seem to have much of an impact on paper this year. 

Sabino continued to be a terrible tackler, Klein only seemed to get wider in the midsection and Sweat didn't appear to improve as the season wore on before finally getting hurt. The much hyped Curtis Grant was a non-factor all year. Ryan Shazier is the lone LB who actually improved under Luke/Vrabel leadership. 

Barnett led the Buckeyes with 12 stops though he was far from stellar. He allowed Hemingway a 26 yard TD catch right in the middle of the field and was one of four Buckeyes surrounding Odoms on another score. He'll come up and hit in run support near the LOS but hasn't improved his tackling in the open field, where his lack of speed and proper angles can be exploited, and can definitely be had in coverage. 

His poor angle and whiff on Toussaint helped spring the 46 yard run (after Shazier's initial missed tackle) setting up Denard's keeper for six and a 23-17 Michigan lead. 

The usual bright spot, though not as bright as some other games, was John Simon and his seven tackles including 1.5 for loss (1 sack). He didn't have much help up front though as Hank picked up three stops along with Bellamy. Too often, Denard ran around the line where the LB's and DB's could be had in space. 

Though neither were stellar, I thought OJ played one of his better games (six stops) and Roby also brought some wood to cap a fine redshirt freshman season.

The bottom line is that injuries and a failure of Vrabel/Fickell to develop consistently solid LB and safety play was too much to overcome this year. Who hired Vrabel again? Don't get me wrong, I thought he was an excellent hire but that was Fickell's guy and year one was a bust. Sabino? Worse. Sweat? Same. Klein? Wider, no better. Grant? Never good enough to even spell a one legged Shazier. CJ? Maybe next year. Bryant/OJ? Not much improvement shown despite a ton of snaps. 

Another 1st quarter lost

Despite nearly a month of slow starts to learn from, the Buckeyes were again largely outplayed through the 1st quarter. 

It looked like the Buckeyes might have finally gotten the message as Braxton hit Philly for the 54 yard TD strike to take a quick 7-0 lead. The drive was shocking on multiple fronts as the walrus dialed up passes on all three 1st down plays, capped by the toss to Philly. 

The defense even started fast as they forced a Michigan 3 and out thanks to Sabino/Bellamy stuffing a 2nd down run before Howard played a slant surprisingly well on 3rd and 5. 

The little trip to the Twilight Zone was short lived however as the offense trotted back onto the field and went 3 and out faster than Hoke chugs a cup of pancake batter. Braxton checked down for a one yard completion to Boren on 1st down, badly misfired on a screen to Posey on 2nd down before getting sacked on 3rd down setting up 4th and 19 from the OSU 12. Buchanan then launched a 35 yard stinker setting up the Wolverines near midfield. 

It took Michigan exactly two plays and 35 seconds to tie the score. Toussaint caught a pass out of the backfield for six yards before Denard abused Sabino on a cutback after Roby had turned him back inside. Shazier was also held on the play (one of many) but the root cause of the run was Sabino getting schooled in space. That's going to happen against Robinson and it wasn't pretty. Tied up 7-7 with nine minutes left in the quarter. 

Starting their 3rd possession of the day at their own 20, the Buckeyes quickly went backward. After a 1st down incompletion, Boren held on 2nd and 10 making it 2nd and 20. Mewhort then False Shugarts'd making it 2nd and 25 from the five and Braxton called his own number for -2 to make it 3rd and 27. To his credit, Bollman actually called a pass play but Adams held his man in the endzone giving Michigan a saftey and a 9-7 lead. It was Michigan's first lead in FOUR YEARS. Roughly eight minutes remained in the 1st quarter. 

Buchanan boomed the free kick but outkicked the coverage a bit as Gallon brought it back to the UM 48. Denard then led the Wolverines on a methodical march before finding Hemingway on 2nd and 7 for a 26 yard TD and a 16-7 lead. The 16 unanswered points in roughly three minutes of game time were eventually overcome by the Buckeyes as they fought back to lead 17-16 midway through the 2nd quarter but falling behind by nearly double digits on the road is never a good thing and eventually contributed to the loss. 

Maybe next year this problem will be addressed. 

Thanks, Luke

AP: OsorioFickell's defense gave up 6.6 yards per play to UM

Though he was nowhere near ready for the challege of being the head coach and CEO of a major college football program, especially one with the problems he inherited this year, I tip my hat to Fickell for doing his best to lead the team through a shart storm of scandal, suspensions, huge coaching deficiencies, more suspensions and injuries that depleted the available talent on a week to week basis. 

With Bollman guiding the offense, a true freshman under center and Boom, Posey and Adams on suspension, Fickell was forced to lean a defense that simply wasn't ready for prime time. 

Nathan Williams got hurt, Howard was a fraudently built up by many (including me) as a potential shut down corner and the LB's were in trouble from the start. 

I give Luke a pass on the offensive production though he doesn't get a pass for some questionable game management choices along the way. Penalties also doomed this team from time to time and those are a reflection of the head coach and his staff. 

Defensively, injuries or not, is where I struggle to give Fickell a pass. At the least, more individual improvement should've been realized. Shazier was the only guy who really took off and he should've been on the field as a starting LB weeks ahead of it actually happening if you believe in the "best 11 will play" edict. It's a crime he wasn't out there every down earlier in the season. What was the staff waiting for? Sabino to finally get it after what feels like nearly a decade in the program? No question, Shazier had his share of mistakes but at least he brought an intensity and talent level far surpassing Sabino or Klein. 

I do give Fickell credit for not losing the locker room as by all accounts the players truly respected and played hard for the guy even if they had little confidence in numerous other coaches on staff. And trust us, they had major issues with some of the coaches. 

Bottom line, being a company guy, Fickell did what he was asked to do, and did it the best way he knew how. He just wasn't ready yet. For that, we owe him gratitude as he truly was the only guy Smith could choose. 

Now we see what happens. As much as I appreciate what he tried to do this year, I'm not adamently for retaining him. On one hand, the defense he and Heacock put out there was flat out overmatched at times against mediocre competition. On the other, he's a Buckeye through and through, would provide a bridge from the Tressel regime to the Meyer regime and just might turn into a decent head coach someday. If I had to pick, I'd probably say retain him, only if Heacock is defintely going to retire. 

That said, it seems like the best thing for Fickell's career would be to try and land a head coaching gig at a smaller school. Clearly he wants to be a head coach at a big time school one day and the fastest route to that destination seems to be taking a job at a place like Akron where he could learn the finer points of leading a program with less pressure and media coverage.  

Good luck to Luke either way. The guy definitely bleeds scarlet and gray. 

A few parting thoughts for michigan fans

1. Ohio State will be back and better than ever once Urban gets up and running so don't get too cocky with your one win in eight tries. All you've done is wake up an entitled fan base that was nearly feeling sorry for how far you'd fallen. So, congrats on having a lead for the first time in four years and for finally defending your home field for the first time in the last five tries. We look forward to your visit next November.

2. Props on the Hoke hire. Dude gets the rivalry.

3. Denard is one hell of a runner. I hate his little eating gesture but he feasted on OSU defenders all day. He definitely earned my respect.

4. "Sweet Caroline"? "Don't Stop Believin'"? Nice traditions you've got there.  I didnt think anything could make the car keys thing less embarrassing. I stand corrected. 

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poguemahone's picture

I really don't feel like talking trash to Michigan fans right now. All the "CONGRATS ON YOUR ONLY WIN OF THE DECADE" talk feels so always-next-year, Domer-ish. They beat our butts. Next year, Urban should return the favor. Until then, they have bragging rights. That's how rivalries are; the post-game butthurt declarations of future dominance only serve to make us look worse. 

THEWALKINGDEADstarringLUKEFICKELL's picture

Agree. The game was lost- that's the way it goes.  Also there's no guarantee Urban Meyer won't keel over the second he gets on the sideline.  Dude almost died on the job at Florida and had to retire.  Also, scUM's last game against Meyer went pretty well for them....and the architect of that Florida defense currently resides in Ann Arbor...Braxton did exceed expectations for this game- was really impressive and showed poise-  as long as Meyer doesnt die he should get the most out of him the next few years.

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

1. Ohio State will be back and better than ever once Urban gets up and running so don't get too cocky with your one win in eight tries. All you've done is wake up an entitled fan base that was nearly feeling sorry for how far you'd fallen. So, congrats on having a lead for the first time in four years and for finally defending your home field for the first time in the last five tries. We look forward to your visit next November.

 

2. Props on the Hoke hire. Dude gets the rivalry.
3. Denard is one hell of a runner. I hate his little eating gesture but he feasted on OSU defenders all day. He definitely earned my respect.

 

4. "Sweet Caroline"? "Don't Stop Believin'"? Nice traditions you've got there.  I didnt think anything could make the car keys thing less embarrassing. I stand corrected. 

I agree 100% on everything stated here. Hoke is a damn fine coach, and I respect him. He came out with a plan from the get-go, and even if he did copy Tressel's ideas at the beginning of the season, he delivered on them. 

Still not sure about Denard. He's a fast guy, but not sure if he can compare to Braxton. Two different styles of running, I guess.

Geraffi's picture

Also agree on the absolutely terrible song choice. What the hell does Sweet Caroline have to do with football, or firing up your team? Pitt Panthers do the same thing. Truly pathetic.

Jealous of Wisconsin's "Jump Around" though. That's how you get your stadium rockin!

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

Yeah I'll agree with your comment on Wisconsin's song. That is so awesome. Could you imagine the 'Shoe rockin to that? 

gravey's picture

Noticed they were doing 7 nation army as well.  That seems like our tune, given the "O" theme in it.  Lots of stadiums are doing it as well.  Were we the first??

M tots's picture

No we weren't anywhere close to being the first... Although it does make more sense for us to use it because of the "O" element

bucknut3011's picture

Car keys... (snicker)

Seriously, though, the rivalry is renewed.  Rich Rod sullied the rivalry and Hoke has brought it back.  Anyone could see that would happen after WVU choked on a shot at the MNC berth by losing to is arch-rival with a losing season at home no less in 2007.  A reluctant acknowledgement to Hoke...  It's worse that Hoke is an Ohio guy from by backyard, but it's good for The Game.  BTW, I don't mind the "Ohio" shtick... first, it shows his desparation to make the rivalry relevant again, secondly, he's inadvertantly disrespecting the entire state, rather than just TOSU.  Hmmm, how do you explain that and your roots during recruiting visits?

I hope Urban gets it (I think he should) and I hope he can provide the vision and passion.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

My sense is that the kind of Ohio kid who would go to Michigan has fairly weak emotional ties to the state as it is, so he probably won't be put off by Hoke's disrespect.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

cbusbuckeye's picture

The whole "ohio" thing just comes off as ignorant to me...it would work if there wasnt an Ohio University that actually uses the moniker...to me it is akin to OSU calling *ichigan "michigan state" it just doesnt come off quite right.

Enzyte Bob's picture

The whole "ohio" thing just comes off as ignorant to me...it would work if there wasnt an Ohio University that actually uses the moniker...to me it is akin to OSU calling *ichigan "michigan state" it just doesnt come off quite right.

Don't you guys get that's what he's trying to do?  He was a MAC coach at Ball State and he knows full well the difference between Ohio and Ohio State.  He's trying to insult us by calling us "Ohio" and basically intimating that we are a MAC team or are on OU's level.  He's trying to bait us because you can't respond without insulting OU.  

Childish.

But childish behavior deserves a childish response.  Our response should be something like calling them South Michigan or Southern Michigan (also playing off of MAC teams Central, Eastern and Western Michigan). 

Powers's picture

gotta say the eating gesture really got to me... you won't see braxton doing something like that when he scores his 5th TD of the game next year

doodah_man's picture

Agree...to me it was punkish. When you score a touchdown, act like you have been there before. But when you do it on every score, you are nothing but a punk. DR needs to remember that last year he go his ass pasted and couldn't finish....

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

M tots's picture

Well before yesterday, Denard had never been there before against tOSU (those were his first TD's against us). LOL

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

In other news, you might as well pencil in Beanie for this week's houndie.

M tots's picture

Ashton Youboty does have 4 tackles, a fumble recovery, and a TD, but yes Beanie appears to be the frontrunner 

tampa buckeye's picture

beanie is doing major work.  

BigRedBuckeye's picture

Good week so far in NFL for Buckeyes. Santonio just had a key grab for a TD to give the Jets a 4 pt. lead with 1:01 left in the game. And as stated, Ashton and Beanie having big games too.

And we'll drink to old Ohio, 'Til we wobble in our shoes! 

Ken-Yon Rambo's picture

I love how Michigan fans have convinced themselves:

1. Urban Meyer will get all his recruits from the South, leaving Ohio wide open for their pickings.  As if.

2. 89% of Meyer's success came from Mattison (even though Meyer won multiple BCS bowls, and one national championship without him)

3. They will be able to beat Meyer handly because Llllllllloyd Car beat him in 2007 (EVEN THOUGH MATTISON WAS D COORDINATOR OF THAT UF TEAM.......CIRCULAR LOGIC FAIL BRAIN HURT)

4. That Meyer doesn't have a legitimate track record because without Mattison, he has only won at Bowling Green and Utah (NEVER MIND BRADY HOKE HAS A WORSE RECORD AT BALL STATE AND SDSU........CIRCULAR LOGIC FAIL BRAIN HURT x 2)

Meyer is 7-1 in BCS bowls, 2 MNC's in a 3 year period.  If Meyer can put up the recruiting wall around Ohio, just like Tressel did, Michigan will have a tough time competing.  Michigan has never had prolonged success w/o solid Ohio recruits. 

How firm they friendship...

Buckeye Chuck's picture

They might want to consider putting up a wall around Michigan first. Lost in the hoopla of yesterday's game is that UM has yet to even re-establish itself as the premiere program in its own state.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

F O U R's picture

Dudez! Give Michigan credit, man. They scratched tooth and nail to beat the worst Ohio State team since 2000, a team held together by model airplane glue, at home. They are fucking back, you guys!

Seriously though, if a man isn't wearing a headset on the sideline or in the box, what the F is his input?

THEWALKINGDEADstarringLUKEFICKELL's picture

so we'd be 3rd best in michigan?

buckeyepastor's picture

This "stinkin thinkin" about Michigan feeling confident against Meyer because they beat him in a bowl game a few years back reminds me of the thinking when Cooper came to OSU, shortly after beating the Wolverines while serving as head coach at Arizona State.   I remember people saying of Cooper that he was someone who'd proven he "knew how to beat Michigan."  Epic fail there.  

Michigan's past, one-game history vs. Urban Meyer is irrelevant in thinking about how effective they would be against him on OSU's sideline.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

onetwentyeight's picture

Not to mention that a lot of times these Non-Nat'l Champ bowl games at the end of the year often produce uneven results when one of the teams just suffered thru a dissapointing season (relative to their own expectations) while the other team is treating it like the Super Bowl. 

Classic example of this: That one year Utah randomly destroyed Alabama. For the Utes, that was their Nat'l Champ to cap off an undefeated season and in their minds prove once and for all they were the best team in america (again, in their own minds). For Bama, which had legit nat'l title expectations all year (#1 rankings, etc), being relegated to the Sugar to play some meaningless upstart like Utah just didn't hold the same meaning. Sure, Utah was the better team that day, but look at the two programs since. I'd wager not many ppl are going to be running around touting how Utah's coach is better than Nick Satan himself. 

Meyer's loss to UMich was similar. They were coming off an entire season of Nat'l Champ hangover/ attrition, it was Lloyd's last game, and hell it wasn't evne a BCS bowl game. You just got the sense that you couldn't take any type of long-term trend prognostication away from it, such as "MICHIGAN KNOWS HOW TO BEAT MEYER" (not to mention the staff at Mich. now wasn't the same one as that team...but hey FACTS. So IRRELEVANT to losers of 7 straight in a rivalry).

 

KenK's picture

Delusion has never been in short supply with Wolverine fans.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

biggy84's picture

I guess those dipshits have never heard of Charlie Strong. I guess they are too dumb to realize that we had receivers open all day, just that Brax overthrew a few. Look at Mattison's great work in Balt, he ran them down after Ryan built them up. He may have gotten fired if he didn't quit. Tscum was very lucky this year with their schedule as well.

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Braxton and the Buckeyes exposed Michigan's overrated defense for the frauds they are. The first TD pass to Brown made me think the Wolverines' pass defense was as lousy as it was last year, and it was. Those same wide openings in their secondary will be there next year for Miller to find.

tampa buckeye's picture

Pryor would have put up 50 points vs that team.  You have to remember Braxton is just a freshman and he is way ahead of Pryor at this point.  Future=Bright

KenK's picture

And DPosey was running around pretty much scotfree all afternoon. If The Brax had  managed to hit just one more pass...

Your point is valid; assuming that if you win championships with Defense, UM has a ways to go. Not like we are on the doorstep either, but then we weren't talking about us.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

buckeyepastor's picture

Impressed not only against Michigan but all year with how Braxton played not only overall, but especially when the lights were brightest.   Wisconsin.  Nebraska.  Michigan.  The way this young man, as a true freshman, wanted it on his shoulders when we were down and needed a big play was really great to see.   

Gotta say I expected more out of Hyde and Hall in terms of a progression.  Seemed that with Boom's return, the team sort of settled and only in the last week or two started to find ways to get Hall and Hyde involved with Boom out on the field.  Yet another indictment of this staff.   

Fickell did keep the team together for each other and fighting hard each week, but earlier in the year hearing guys in the locker room openly questioning the play calls, defensive guys calling out the offense to make a play, while that sort of brutal honesty had me nodding my head in agreement, it also had me grimacing at a team where the coaches seemed to lack trust in and understanding of the talent on their roster, and the players seemed less than invested in the planning of their coaches.  Cooper had that sort of thing going on in his locker room just before he was dismissed.   I know they continued to answer the call most of the time on the field, but I think things started to slip away from Fickell earlier in the season.   

Agree 100% though that he came into a horribly unfair situation and responded with a lot of class and focus and heart and integrity.   If he wishes to stay, I hope there's a place for him.  Though that's the new HC's decision, and I would expect that person to already have some ideas about defensive leadership.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

tampa buckeye's picture

Dunn starts right away next year at rb.  Hyde is decent but if your a back at Ohio State you should be special.  Dunn is special.

Baroclinicity's picture

Dunn not likely to come to Ohio State with Meyer as coach - spread offense.

cbusbuckeye's picture

Meyer needs to work some magic to convince Dunn to commit. My gut says he pulls him in with the "we will adapt to the players available"/"best 11 will play" arguement.

F O U R's picture

We all thought Berry, Hyde and Smith were 'special' at one point as well. Maybe with coherent OLine coaching, one of them will pan out. Although, Berry may not be worth the drama. What is his status anyhow?

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Rod Smith will be something special. He had two boneheaded fumbles in the first two games and was never seen again. I watched him grow up to where he is now. He showed the same flashes of great play early this year as he did through middle and high school. The kid is a George style runner but faster and shiftier. Mark my words.

But I couldn't agree with you more about O-line coaching. It has been embarassing for the last five six years. It's a reason why we have to have a dual threat quarterback. And these boys should be blowing holes open like the Bama line play does. As much as I hate to say it.

Dunn will come, his sweetheart has commited to TOSU. With a great chance to play in a MNC with this freshman team already in place, Urban Meyer coming in and the NFL grooming that takes place in Columbus he would be dumb to go else where. Also everyone is so worried about him being on scum's sideline yesterday doesn't mean a thing other than he wanted a sideline pass to "the game".

 

bucknut3011's picture

Rod Smith is eerily similar to Eddie, but does look faster and shiftier as you say.  He also has the fumblitis that Eddie had, too.  Here's to hoping he shakes that and ends his career like Eddie...

I also have it on good authority (first hand accounts) that the O-line coaching has been lackluster at best.  Go back to the USC game in LA...  All the talent (5 stars) over the years...  But why then has the O-line been so porous and trouble blowing off line consistently?  Hmmm....

Buckeyejason's picture

You willing to bet money on that?

BUCKEYES BABY!

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Best believe I would money on that!!!

ColdBuckeye's picture

So...will it be Tress or Fickell at Akron?

Denny's picture

BOTH #Voltron

Taquitos.

Normal Buck's picture

In addition to Ryan Damn Shazier, I submit that one Bradley Roby has also developed into a stud at CB.

DJ Byrnes's picture

STILL UNSURE OF WHY WE SPIKED THE BALL ON 3RD DOWN

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Ken-Yon Rambo's picture

ARRRGGGHHHHHH

I had blocked the spike out of my mind, erased it from the hard drive, so to speak, until now.

Thank you for reminding me......

How firm they friendship...

Carolina Buckeye's picture

Since I came with, and wiffed with information on the Meyer Presser yesterday, I wanted to come back with some more information (yes, LAbuckeye, that sound you hear is me eating crow!) I have no idea when the Meyer presser will occur. I have no idea when the official announcement will be.

My former college roommates brother is friends with Heuerman and he has informed said bro that the players meeting has been moved back to 4 PM on Monday.  Deductive reasoning would lead me to believe that the introduction won't happen before the players meeting.

My last two cents on the issue is, guys, I highly doubt they will roll Meyer out at the Duke b-ball Tuesday. Thad is a huge supporter of the football program and I doubt he would mind sharing the spotlight with Urban during halftime, but the basketball team and football team are both in completely different places than they were back when Tress was hired.  Noone in the fan base needs convincing Meyer is the right guy, where as Tress wasn't a known commodity to the fan base.  The basketball team hadn't heard cheers that loud at the Schott since before Tressel's speech.  Also, if the administration is trying to make a clean break from the Tressel era, rolling a new coach out in the same fashion they rolled Tress out would just invoke memories of Tressel's 310 days speech.  Tressel is always going to be the measuring stick for Urban's performance while at tOSU, I doubt Meyer or the OSU administration want to like I said, invoke comparisons of Tressel more than necessary.

 

Just my two cents, thought I needed to come back and one, eat crow for LAbuckeye, and two, share what I know, which isn't much but the players usually meet on Sunday afternoon/night and that has been pushed back until tomorrow.

Carolina Buckeye's picture

Also, DBidds over at Bucknuts has RT something similar from NBC4i in Columbus, so probably some truth to the push back.

 

In my completely honest, uneducated, absolute guess. I would think they might roll Meyer out early Tuesday morning, while the confirmation he is the next coach will probably come Monday night sometime

LABuckeye's picture

Thanks for posting the info... for the record, you volunteered at the time that you would come on here to eat crow if your information was wrong. I didn't ask you to.

Carolina Buckeye's picture

Oh I know, but when I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll admit and eat that fowl creature.  No hard feelings, just felt I owed it to you and the board

ysuosu1's picture

I've been waiting to hear about the Meyer thing all day. It just seems strange that everyone was getting scoop and now, dead silence. What's that all about, do you think?

LP

Chris Lauderback's picture

We're hearing Meyer still negotiating non-salary details, same info as others reporting on twitter. Goal remains 6pm presser tomorrow. Sounds like team meeting was pushed back from today until tomorrow afternoon. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

Chris,
Any news on what they'll do about a bowl bid? I know Smith said the team would accept an invite. But if they announce Meyer's hire tomorrow that essentially means Fickell's fired effective tomorrow.

I don't see Fickell staying on and becoming part of Meyer's staff. I'm basing this on the emotions Luke displayed during yesterday's post-game presser. (Which was truly heart-wrenching to see.) Do you think Meyer will try to coach these guys in a bowl game if only a partial staff is available?

I beginning to think we should decline a bowl bid. Plus I think the Illini are going to be in the same position. Wonder how Delany would take it if two bowl eligible B1G teams declined invites?

Abe Froman's picture

I ws thrilled the way the defense played.  Sure they gave up 20 more points than they should have, but we were without five starters in Williams, Bryant, Sweat and eventually Johnson and Shazier who while they played were obviously shadows of their healthy selves.  Throw in an 80% Big Hank and our defense was definitely weakened.  It showed as Shazier was unable to cut on his bad knee, Johnson could hardly cover. 

I love having Roby for 2 more years and Dom Clarke will probably start next year.  I hope that Howard can learn to trust in his althleticism and not give the guy 10 yard cushion as he is a much better cover corner than he played (I hope so).  Hopefully Grant will come in and with Shazier give this team some needed explosive speed at LB. 

Not disappointed with the loss as the team never gave up and had a chance to win it in the end.  Maybe Hoke will be able to find his way to the correct university next year and not end up in Athens as the burrito buggy can't handle a visit from him!

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Buckeye in Athens's picture

I feel for Ohrian. Seems like a quality guy, lost his start to a younger kid, and then was playing a good game before getting hurt. 

Menexenus's picture

<----  Michigan still isn't eligible for a BCS bowl, even with 10 wins.  Ha-ha.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

dbit's picture

Based on not being in the top 14??

NW Buckeye's picture

Correct.  That could change after next weekend. 

FrankMurphy's picture

I'm a Michigan fan, and I was thoroughly impressed with Braxton's performance on Saturday and his progress over the course of the season. The kid's come a long way; he's obviously got a ton of talent and, more importantly, heart. He will thrive in Urban Meyer's offense. He also strikes me as a class act and is pretty much the exact opposite of Pryor. You should be proud to have him as the face of your team for the next three years.

The rivalry is clearly entering a new phase. I don't expect us to dominate you guys the way we did in the Cooper era (or the way you guys did to us under Tressel), but I think the games will be more fierce and competitive than they've been the past few years (minus '06, which now seems like an outlier). I'm looking forward to The Game being interesting again.

I'm glad we won, but much respect to the Buckeyes. They played their hearts out.

GO BLUE. 

NC_Buckeye's picture

You guys like to rag on Pryor but he had more class than to ever play that "eating cereal" bullshit for a national tv audience.

Stay classy number 16. I hope we knock your fucking teeth out next year.

FrankMurphy's picture

Why are you still supporting Pryor? You do remember it was his shenanigans that got your coach fired and landed your program in trouble with the NCAA, don't you? If I were a Buckeye fan, I would say to hell with Pryor. That's how I as a Michigan fan feel about Chris Webber. 

William's picture

Pryor's actions didn't lead to Tressel's firing, Tressel's actions led to his firing. Pryor won a lot of games for us, and he practiced a little capitalism along the way. if you've ever participated in a yard sale, or posted on ebay/craigslist, don't make statements about Pryor and his acts. Good game, you guys won't win another for the next 7 years.

FrankMurphy's picture

Pryor's actions (along with those of the other players) put Tressel in the position that led to his firing. I'm obviously not a fan of either, but if I were you, I would have much more sympathy for a coach who won you guys a National Championship, six Big Ten championships, and dominated your biggest rival than some punk kid who left the program early after taking full advantage of his celebrity status without ever living up to his potential.

As for the future, I'm enjoying this one for the moment. Like I said, I don't think Hoke will dominate you guys the way we did in the Cooper era, but I think the rivalry will definitely be more competitive than it was under Tressel.  

Brutus's picture

Frank, I/most of us appreciate you coming on here and being gracious.  Don't mind those of us who are still bitter.  It's not directed at you, but some of the other shitty scUM fans that had to wait seven years before they could come on here and troll.  I'd like to hope that we didn't come onto your sites and gloat, particularly the last few years when the teams were greatly outmatched and the outcome not in doubt, but I'm sure you encountered our fair share of shitty fans as well.  It was a good game, enjoy the outcome.  I don't think we'll win another seven in a row, but we won't be down long.

And as for Pryor, he did some incredibly selfish things, but I happen to agree with William.  Pryor didn't get us into this mess, Tressel did.  I wasn't sorry to see him go, but he's still a Buckeye in my eyes.  And unlike Weber, Pryor took responsibility for his actions. He admitted he was wrong.  Weber is still blaming others for stuff he did.

FrankMurphy's picture

Fair enough.

I'm sure you guys won't be down long. For the sake of The Game, I actually hope Ohio State hires the best possible coach they can get (which would probably be Meyer). Bo and Woody were two of the best ever, and they are a big part of the reason why this came to be the greatest rivalry in American sports. I think we can all agree on that much.  

biggy84's picture

Archaic rules and hypocrisy got us into his mess. Let's not lose sight of what these infractions are.

faux_maestro's picture

The only thing I would amend in your post is the hitting in the games. I don't think '06 was an outlier necessarily. Basically every game before RichRod was a good, hard hitting game. This year was about as action packed and hard hitting as I can remember (besides '06). I hope they are all like that, except with the good guys coming out on top.

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SchankHaus's picture

Saturday was a spider-man win.  Everybody gets one.  Otherwise, it's just boredom.  Like Tobey McGuire.