Wednesday Skull Session

By Chris Lauderback on August 17, 2011 at 6:00a
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Rise and shine Buckeye netizens, it's time to resume cackling at Da (SM)U while observing what a real investigative report looks like, courtesy of Charles Robinson.

Think Derpmann is hoping "Ellis" has pics of OSU's entire two-deep getting tats while doing coke off the breasts of strippers as Tressel looks on spinning vinyl in between sessions of making it rain c-notes or what? 

And what about ESPiN? Think the execs are still reveling in the strategy of repackaging Ohio State stories for the last eight months while Yahoo! was busy uncovering what is potentially the most explosive story in college football since JoePa's bout with the runs SMU was sentenced to lethal injection?

We'll get into the details of that in a bit but first, let's see what else is cooking in the hump day skully. 

RICH ROD AND HIS CLUMSY ULTERIOR MOTIVES ARE SO CUTE. Now, I could admittedly be off base here but it makes this story more fun. 

Making the predictable transition to analyst, Rich Rod has some thoughts on Michigan's upcoming season:

I’m biased.  I think they can do very well. They got 19 returning starters, player of year in the league returning in Denard Robinson, eight home games, first five at home, so I think they are going to win nine or 10 games.

Nine or ten games? With a new offense, no Stonum and a defense that makes even Paul Westhead blush? I think Hoke is going to do good things up north but nine or ten games this year? Can't see it from a program that's got exactly six wins over the last three conference slates. So, was this a self-serving comment from RichRod? I believe so. He's read all non-stop quotes from Hoke and those surrounding the program about getting back to Michigan football and he feels slighted. His response is to play along by hyping expectations so when they don't come to fruition, he can feel good about it. 

WANTED: A GOOD HOME FOR #2 JERSEYS. With gameday fast approaching, #2 Ohio State jerseys are overflowing in area Buckeye swag shops, creating a bit of a dilemma for store owners. 

According to at least one retailer Darren Rovell encountered, the numbered jerseys must be ordered about 10 months in advance if the wish is to have them for sale in time for the upcoming season. That reality left many stores overflowing with #2 jerseys. Fanatics LLC says sales are down 60% since TP left school. 

Interestingly, the team shop inside the Schott marked #2 jerseys down to $20 from $60 while the OSU Bookstore has kept the price at $60 both in store and online. Similar to SportsWired Retail owner Bryan Johnson, they must be "hoping Christian Bryant has a breakout season."

Could the Death Penalty resurface for Da U?

(SM)U = LULZ. Wow. For months now we've heard the rumor of an impending haymaker landing on a major program and unlike SI's polished turd on Ohio State, the boys at Yahoo! brought the goods thanks to a singing booster and epic amounts of research, documentation and interviews to back claims of major shenanigans down in Coral Gables. 

The booster, Nevin Shapiro, is looking at serious time in prison thanks to misappropriating $80mil via a fraudulent grocery distribution biz as part of his role in a Ponzi scheme. Looking to lessen his time in the hole, Shapiro agreed to cooperate with the government's investigation and upon being shunned by the 'Cane players he took care of after they made it big in the NFL as he asked them for money, the chip on his shoulder turned into a boulder. 

Initially planning to write a book that would take down the U, Shapiro instead granted 100 hours of interviews during Yahoo!'s 11 month investigation detailing an historic amount of potential NCAA violations occurring over an eight year period in which he was a booster and co-owner or a sports agency. 

Dude claims he provided impermissible benefits to as many as SEVENTY-TWO athletes with no less than seven COACHES in on, or aware of the hijinks, including members of the football and mens basketball coaching staffs. Twelve current football players are named in the report including Jacory Harris and Travis Benjamin.

The depth of the investigation is flat out insane, with each Miami football and basketball player allegation summarized in addition to allegations against seven players from other schools, the seven coaches and a handful of other staffers. 

A few of the more awesome details/allegations include:

  • Multiple parts of no less than four major bylaws appear to have been violated including:
  1. Bylaw 11 - impermissible compensation to coaches
  2. Bylaw 12 - compromised amateurism of athletes
  3. Bylaw 13 - improper recruiting activity
  4. Bylaw 16 - improper extra benefits to athletes
  • Typically, there is a four year statute of limitations but due to "a pattern of willful violations", it's possible that statute could be off the table. 
  • Shapiro was called "L'il Luke" as the diminutive bank machine was revered for taking over where Luther Campbell left off. 
  • Allegedly, football coaches blatantly delivered recruits to Shapiro for recruiting pitches that included trips to his house, rides in his Mercedes and visits to strip clubs. All expenses paid. 
  • Allegedly, no less than 39 players got hoes on Shapiro's tab including at strip clubs, at rented hotel rooms and his yacht.
  • Shapiro says he gave a hoops coach 10k to secure a commitment from DeQuan Jones. 
  • Shapiro recalls organizing bowling, fishing and pool tournaments for players with cash to winners. 
  • Shapiro claims to have offered up access to his yacht multiple times per week and also bought items ranging from an engagement ring, rims, watches, TV's, plane tickets and an ABORTION for a stripper that a player had gotten pregnant on Shapiro's dime. 
  • Shapiro notes offering bounties including payouts for big hits, injuring opposing QB's. He says Devin Hester took him for $7.5 in bounties including $500 for getting a celebration penalty following a KO return for a TD (also $500). 
  • Kellen Winslow Jr. can't drive, regardless of mode of transport. 

Miami claims to have been cooperating with the NCAA well ahead of the Yahoo!-bomb but it's hard to imagine that helping if even a third of this stuff is proven true especially knowing former Miami AD Paul Dee not only honored Shapiro during a game for his donations to the school but also lobbed some damning comments regarding USC's recent troubles as he headed up the NCAA Committee on Infractions saying, "high profile players demand high-profile compliance" and "they should've known." 

Those comments soaked in hypocrisy should keep USC officials busy for awhile. Lord knows we're tired of their opinions about Ohio State. 

YEP. IT STILL PAYS TO BE FAMOUS. Video of Oregon's Cliff Harris being pulled over for going 118mph, with Darron Thomas riding shotgun, hit the intertubes, reinforcing the benefits of being somebody. Personally, I don't really have an issue with how it was handled but while admittedly being ignorant to the law, I have a hard time thinking the same outcome would be reasonable if an 11W staffer was pulled over for going 118, driving without a license in his girlfriend's rental car and reeking of tree. 

JIFFY-POP. More on JT's visit to Browns practice...Attn: Columbus Drunks, this place will drive you and your car home...Big 12 slogans...socket head...Player concerns in Happy Valley.

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GoBucks713's picture

Too bad Willis McGayhee doesn't have a twitter account. I was going to send him a gift. I feel bad for the U fans out there, but the ones I know are all douchers and I can't wait to see them at work today and kick them in the shin then spit coffee in their eyes. I have a feeling the U is going to go USC on the NCAA and drag their feet as much as possible.

-The Aristocrats!

BLeezy17's picture

Oh he does, @WillisMcGahee. I left him a little present last night.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I wonder if Shapiro paid for McGahee's surgery and rehab.

Furthermore, I wonder what the market value of Will Allen's complete destruction of McGahee's knee would have been in Shapiro's books. That's gotta be worth $100k.

F O U R's picture

YOU ARE SO CLEVER.  McGaYhee.  I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

addman1405's picture

I specifically have been kicking my Miami friends in the shins particularly hard since the blatant hypocrisy being thrown around at tOSU's expense was rediculous. Spit away my friend. Spit away. 

Feel good knowing we are out from underneath the microscope of ESPN.

 

Lets all hug it out for a moment.

thorvath22's picture

DA []_[]

30 violations for 30 years

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Videos of yesterday's practice when? I'm sorry but I'm not surprised one bit by the U story. Most of their fan base and probably some of their former players are proud right now and thinking "this is how it's done" laughing at our players hanging in a ghetto tat shop. I would have been shocked if this were Texas or ND or a program along those lines.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

SMU fans and players were proud too until the NCAA napalm'd their program. Once the NCAA is through with Miami, their fans will change their tune as well.

addman1405's picture

ITS ALL ABOUT BEING IN BEFORE MY 9 OCLOCK CURFEW!!!

#2011motto

ITS ALL ABOUT THE 4.0 GPA!!!

#2012motto

BrewstersMillions's picture

I bet this still doesn't get the outrage the OSU 'story' caused. Largely because of what you said, this is sort of how Miami has always been perceived. Tres carried himself in such a different manner, when his shadyness was exposed, it appeared to be a bigger deal. Make no mistake about it, these allegations trump anything that's come out about our Bucks. I bet ESPN has it as a side item for the next 4 weeks.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

This is getting plenty of run on Mike and Mike this morning...its pretty much the only discussion. This is the only other story this summer with a program that is big enough to get the run that OSU's story did.  I don't think it will be backpage news by any stretch ...and thank god it knocks our story off the map for a while.

Also, what is the over-under on the number of days before Dodd or another writer names our week three showdown something like the "ban bowl," "probation bowl," etc.  they are so predictable ...

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

We shouldn't even be in the same conversation as this or USC or UNC. It's sad that we are thrown into that company. Maybe it's homerism but covering for your kids who sold their own stuff during a Fed investigation isn't in the same boat, planet, atmosphere or galaxy as the Miami story.

Denny's picture

It is homerism, in one aspect: our kids didn't sell things during a federal investigation. They sold things that then later surfaced during a federal investigation.

I totally agree that it's nowhere near the same level of egrigiousness as Miami, but if you're going to complain I suggest at least making your case as accurately as possible. USC/UNC are closer to our situation than they are to Miami's. Part of me thinks Miami should skate, only because their total not-giving-a-shit level is so high.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

I agree Denny.  We had guys who were selling stuff to drug dealers essentially.  There were implications that drugs may somehow be invovled.  Then to top it all off our squeaky clean coach gets caught lying and covering it up. There were a lot of interesting aspects that could've led to much bigger stories.  I think the coverage was a little blown out of proportion, but not this evil media picking on poor Ohio State.

This Miami situation is probably the biggest scandal since SMU.  My goodness are they screwed lol.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Tress covered during a fed investigation.  The kids did sell their own things and shame on them.  But they didn't take money to come to OSU, the car deals were all clean and I believe the golf was clean too. 

I'm not familiar with all the details with the USC and UNC cases, but didn't it involve recruiting violations and cheating on tests?  IMO far different from kids selling their own things to a tattoo shop who happens to sell pot.  Far different from a coach who covered it up regardless of the intent.  I'm pretty sure that the pot selling is expected of a tat shop on the West Side btw.   

Denny's picture

I think we're just going to disagree on this - Tressel is a great guy, but he screwed up. In my eyes recruiting violations are comparable to Tressel's violations since they're at the coach level. Cheating is similar to tattoo stuff because they're both very clearly NCAA violations that players were guilty of.

 

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I think I fear he may have done it to have an advantage, but want to believe that he did it for the safety of the kids.....

Denny's picture

I feel exactly the sameway, but in the context of NCAA violations it's a moot point. That's where the difficulty in trying to compare separate cases lies - not projecting our own feelings on Tressel onto the violations. We're all prone to believe our guy absolutely was doing things for the kids, even though there's that nagging possibility at the back of our heads.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

Is anyone worried about Pryor's defense for why he should be eligible for the Supplemental Draft?  I don't know if it's new news or not, but I heard this morning that he admitted he took cash from Sarniak so he wouldn't have been eligible this year anyway.  Is this old info I just never heard?

TLB's picture

Barry Alvarez lost a lot of money to that Shapiro clown, so one can't help but wonder if the tentacles from this will stretch to Madison.

Denny's picture

This might not be the most popular opinion re: Miami, but to everyone who is flipping out because there isn't big-time media coverage on it right now: 1) there is (NPR is talking about it, for Jebus' sake), and 2) the story just came out. It takes time to run things to press, even with bloggers and on-air coverage and all of that.

It's going to be mentioned during every single Miami game that's on TV this year. So are our violations. That's how it goes. Just as every 'new story' that surfaced and churned up the OSU stories over and over, every time a little thing comes out re: Miami, this whole thing will be front and center, once again. Let things run their course.

But constantly whining about ESPN etc. is getting really, really old. 

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

I was thinking the same thing last night when I was watching Sportcenter and they were interviewing Robinson.  I was wondering how many people would be whining about how little this was being talked about.  The Ohio State story had a lot of twists and turns that led to dead ends, only because Rife or Ellis or Talbot didn't act pull a Shapiro and totally spill the beans.  They clammed up.  I honestly believe there is more to the Ohio State story, the cars, the memorabilia, and other perks that have been talked about.  The difference is with Ohio State theer were no smoking guns. 

Sad thing is, if all the Ohio State stuff were true, and they had evidence, it doesn't appear that it would even scratch the surface of this Miami mess.  In my lifetime, at least as a college sports fan, I've never heard of such a scandal involving a team.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

complaining about people who are complaining about ESPN is getting really, really, really old

Granted some of the complaining is done to get a laugh, and some of it proves a point or provides perspective, and some of it is just stretching the facts to try to make them seem worse than they are.  BUT ESPN, the Dispatch, and SI both deserve the crow (or whatever you want to call it) they are getting.  

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I wonder why ESPN is the ONLY sports outlet that doesn't have this as their frontpage story ont heir site. It's not even the frontpage story in the NCAA FB section.

Oh yeah, I forgot: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5363743

Rule One of ESPN: Thou shalt not denigrate Texas, the SEC, or the ACC, or Big East Basketball.

Rule Two: Though shalt be objective concerning the Pac-12 until they have the audacity to formt their own network.

Rule Three: Thou shalt go out of their way to hammer the Big Ten, especially Ohio State.

Denny's picture

Here is the crux of my argument against complaining about media coverage (or lack thereof), that I probably haven't laid out particularly explicitly:

If you want people to take you and your arguments seriously, don't whine like a petulant child. Don't resort to name-calling, blanket statements, and over-the-top accusatory rhetoric. It's not easy, and I'm guilty of it too from time to time. That being said, if you want to actually advance a conversation and get make any sort of meaningful change, the best way to do such is to take things seriously.

Take actual action on making change, rather than just bitching and moaning. If you view ESPN or Rivals or Aunt Berta's blog as an unworthy news source, there's a pretty simple conclusion: stop going to them for news coverage. At some point you can't blame the stove for being hot if you keep putting your hand on the burner. Hell, even dogs learn patterns after a while. Pavlov showed us that.

But to continuously jam your dick against the wall and wonder why you're not getting laid?After a while people really need to have a genuine re-evaluation of why they're getting so angry and what they can actually do to avoid that anger. Because seriously, it's sports. I mean, I love sports  and all, but sports are entertainment. There's no need to get super riled up over it.

And yes, I get that some people complain to try and get a laugh, but those laughs are cheap and those jokes have already been made millions of times. If there's anything I dislike more than bad journalism, it's lazy jokes.

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

/emote  Play's the violin.  I think I would allow someone else to give the dissertation on how to approach comments about media sites or anything on the matter.

"That being said, if you want to actually advance a conversation and get make any sort of meaningful change, the best way to do such is to take things seriously."

That is rich coming from you.
I think comments about SI and ESPN are fair. The facts are that they are responsible for selective reporting. (ESPN more so than anyone) They also had the deal with the records of punished teams of years past that reflected all teams incorrectly except for Ohio State. Obviously, our record was restored after being called out on this site. Would they have done so if everyone kept quite? Would oversigning have gotten as much attention as it has if everyone kept quiet? Even the whiny and bitchy serve other purposes than their own in regards to change. Would the guy that speaks out against a tyrant's words carry the same weight if the crowd did not support him?

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

Sorry, I forgot to include 'spell words correctly and use grammar' in my earlier post. Also, if five paragraphs is seems like a dissertation, I'm not sure I can help you.

I know this might be hard to wrap your head around, but it's possible to be serious about some things, joke about others, and still make points. It's even possible to use humor to bring salient points across. Sometimes, people even intersperse lighthearted things in the middle of a serious topic, for effect. Sometimes I say jokes; other times I make serious comments. I have no idea what your point is, other than to be dismissive because you don't like me because I can do seventhousand more deadlifts than you.

Would changes happen if people are quiet? No. That doesn't mean that generic noise and half-assed whining will do anything either. 

And to borrow from Tarantino, tyrants and sports media aren't in the same ballpark - they're not even the same fucking sport.

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

I don't like you because I can't compete with you intellectually, if I am being honest. I can't banter back and forth with you and come out on top. I know that as a weakness in comparison. Though one thing I am confident is that when I want to embarrass or call out another man's flaws, I prefer to do it in person. (Or private chat which I know you have knowledge of) I have no idea what would happen in reality if we met on the street but I would love to find out. (Speaking of a friendly and mutually consensual "Rage in the Cage" match mind you.) I play to my strengths and you play to yours, I suppose. Btw, you are a hoss on those dead lifts. I am not a stickler for grammar and spelling but you have quite a few typos in your last few post that I have responded to. You are falling off your game sir. 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

If we met on the street I imagine it would turn into an alleyway break-dance contest and people would have boomboxes over their shoulders but then the neighbors would call the police because of all of the ruckus and then we'd have to leave and nothing would be resolved because in all actuality we both probably really, really suck at break dancing and there would be no winners except for everyone who was watching.

Also, yea - typos :(

Taquitos.

Irricoir's picture

Oh yeah, I'd prefer a walk-off hombre'. You are loco essay!

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Colin's picture

Made me think of this.

I can't compete with you physically, but you're no match for my brains.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Denny:

1).  I now rarely visit eSECpn webpages and never watch or listen to their talk shows. But, as a huge CFB fan, how do I get away from eSECpn when the season starts?

How do ANY sports fans (CFB, NFL, NBA, CBB, MLB, etc.) send a message to sports t.v. market by not watching eSECpn's semi-monopolistic programming, without missing many of the games that they love to watch?

2. Let me be clear: this is an awesome site! That said, many of the bloggers (journo grads?) here are either wannabe mainstream media (MSM) members, or are sympathetic to the MSM. That's fine, I get it.

And JT and the players made mistakes, no question. Nevertheless, the contingent that has been the most disgraceful through the entire tatgate process is the MSM. Sorry that I have to pass along this objective truth; please do not attack/blame the messenger.

Denny's picture

To your first point, you're absolutely right: ESPN's live coverage is inescapable, if avoiding their coverage is one's intent. That being said, missing games and missing recap shows are two wholly separate things. It's possible to watch a game or two and then simply change the channel.

Regarding who has been the 'most disgraceful' through this entire ordeal, I'd counter by saying that the university's PR department has been far and away the most disgraceful. That's not to say that other people have handled it well, but during all of this, there hasn't been anything more embarassing in my opinion than the few pressers that the university has had. Those were legitimately cringe-inducing.

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Well if it's tired jokes were talking about then we can't call Hoke fat anymore, or use those silly line face memes, or the FFFFUUUUUU, or call out irricoir for having his bicep featured in his avatar.  

A lot of what people have posted (including the writers on this site) has allowed me to have different perspectives and I would urge them to continue doing what they have always done POST IT if they feel it has relevance.  

I always enjoy your take on things, even when I disagree.  I think almost all of us come at things with an open mind and can be persuade if the argument is strong enough.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

But to continuously jam your dick against the wall and wonder why you're not getting laid?

 

^New Shirt!

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

And the bar keep says to the horse, "why the long face?"

btalbert25's picture

Here's why I complain about people who constantly complain about ESPN.  Almost everyone who has had some sort of complaint about ESPN so far with the Miami deal has run to ESPN's page to see where it's posted on ESPN's website.  There are probably some in this group who have emailed ESPN or call into a radio show on the local ESPN radio affilliate.  You are playing right into their hands when you do that.  I hear about Disney bans, and simply not tuning into their programming, but people always say, did you see what this ESPN reporter said, or they'll link an ESPN article, or the run to the website and give ESPN more hits.

All the bitching and moaning does nothing, but the running to their site, the calls, the emails, it fuels their uneven coverage.  I don't disagree that some of the coverage as been a little bit over the top, but instead of running to their website do something impactful people.  It's like clockwork, every time some kind of news comes out relating to college football several people will post, can't believe it's only the 3rd link down on the front page.  Can't believe they have linked this yet.  Keep giving them webhits, those are tangible numbers that the folks they are doing something right. 

An outfit as big as ESPN would surely have people who frequent college football blogs to see what people are saying.  They know that people are flocking to their site.  They know that a ton of people are going to go nuts when they put out a story about Ohio State.  It's not an Anti-Ohio State conspiracy, it's a great marketing plan to generate more traffic for their website.  It's a strategy that other networks use to generate ratings.  Take a topic that has passionate people on both sides, say a bunch of off the wall stuff, and reap the benefits.  It's not important if the details are true and the people reporting actually believe it, they just have to put it out there.

Bucks's picture

While I agree to an extent with you & Denny above ... I think someone can write whatever they please.

If someone wants to crack jokes, vent, point out lopsided coverage or just bring something up, they should be able to do so without being lectured. If someone doesn't like what someone has to say, they don't. It isn't really that big of a deal.

btalbert25's picture

I think it would make for a pretty boring blog if everyone agreed with everything all the time, but I certainly don't mean to come off as lecturing anyone. Just pointing out the it gets old reading about media conspiracies and hate for Ohio State. Just as people pointed out that they are tired of hearing people complain about the complaining about ESPN lol. 

Bucks's picture

Fair enough. but the complaining in regards to the complaining about the complaining. lol

Denny's picture

Christopher Nolan thinks we should complain deeper.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

lol, I just like spark some conversation, it helps break up the monotony of my work day lol.  I see where others are coming from too, it's just that I'm always right and I have a hard time not letting people know that lol.

tampa buckeye's picture

Old news on pryor. i expect this to blow over with no bowl ban. Now miami is a different deal. Golden has all but admitted shadiness went on. They might get the Smu treatment.

btalbert25's picture

I don't think they'll get the death penalty in the same way that SMU did.  I do think though, they'll lose a ton of scholarships and a long postseason ban.  I also wouldn't be shocked if they were a team that got a TV ban. Whatever happens will set their program back a decade at least.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Old news as in Sarniak has never been considered an OSU booster, hence TP taking any benefits from him is not an OSU problem?

thorvath22's picture

This. Ted Sarniak is in no way involved in the university and therfore not a booster...he's a rich guy from pennsylvania that found an "invested interest" in Pryor when he noticed how much he could make off of this young talented kid....kinda sad to think about...but there is no NCAA violation there, the Terrelle Pryor story will be an interesting story when he turns 40-50 and grows up and is able to look upon his playing days in a retrospective view.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Apparently, Shapiro forgot to pay off Terry Porter.

cronimi's picture

So does 'da U' bench players named in the article for the season until the NCAA completes its investigation or not?  If they do, they lose 16 players on the current Miami roster, including QB Jacory Harris and LB Sean Spence.  That would make our Sep. 17th game far different.  If they don't, they are bound to have to vacate any wins once the hammer drops.  Al Golden must be wondering if he fell into a sh!t-pile when he accepted the job in December.

Joe Beale's picture

Love the Paul Westhead reference. I'm sure that went over the head of all the non-hoops people though.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Yeah, I maybe should've added a link for that one.

Nappy's picture

Randy Shannon has to be the happiest person on the planet right now.  Can someone refresh my memory on SMU?  The coaches were paying players for on-field performance, is that right?  And the SMU punishment included massive scholarship losses, bowl and TV bans? 

If all the allegations are true, and there seems to be enough evidence to support them, this could potentially re-write the book on the Death Penalty. Especially if coaches are proven to be complacent in the allegations and the 4 year statute of limitations is waived.  This is going to be []_[]GLY. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

Joe Beale's picture

SMU got the death penalty because, among other things, they had a university slush fund set aside to pay players.

AcrossTheField11's picture

Didn't it also have something to do with the fact that they were caught, reprimanded, and caught again doing the same thing only a short time later?  I could be wrong. 

Its my opnion that the NCAA did not anticipate the damage the death penalty would do to the SMU program.  Its not in anyone's best interest to completely demolish an entire NCAA football program to the point where it will never recover (SMU).  It is for this reason that I doubt the NCAA levies the death penalty as punishment to any program going forward.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

Nappy's picture

Good Lord.  I guess I didnt realize the depth of their punishment.  I cant imagine that servere of a punishment being handed out again, but if there ever was a time to consider it, this may be it. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Miami not on front page and Braves are still top story on ESPiN..but hey, this is news on cbssports http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/241563...

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Can anyone shed some light on this? Any reason to be concerned? Or is it simply a matter of the NCAA tying up loose ends?

Bucksfan's picture

Pryor is friends with LeBron...so, maybe that's all it was.

Bucks43201's picture

 begrudgingly watched ESPN College Football Live and The Blitz yesterday, the interview with JoePa -- where they couldn't kiss his a$$ enough (for being 80, I assume). But, I wish I knew who the reporter was --- one of his questions was, when Joe Pa is in his golf cart -- in the indoor practice facility, talking about how great Joe Pa is, etc. etc. and then says "what about the embarassment Ohio State has brought to the Big Ten", and he couldn't emphasize the word embarassment enough. This reporter really had a hard-on to stress the word embarassment in a sentence with Ohio State, of course. It was almost too obvious -- the premeditated hate for Ohio State. What about the embarassment other schools in the ACC and SEC have brought? Very unbalanced reporting, very selective.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

NeARBuckeye's picture

I guess TP may not be the only reason the supplemental draft was delayed. The NFL probably found out that the majority of Miami's starters are about to be ineligible. Lol

Matt's picture

Good run down from Da U's SBnation blog about how the starting roster will be affected.  

Verdict:  defensive line (which was going to be a strength) is absolutely decimated, and the defense doesn't have any more safeties.

http://www.seventhfloorblog.com/2011/8/17/2367927/a-prospective-post-sha...

 

Prediction:  OSU rushes for 400+ yards against Da U.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Oh my freakin God

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/index

 

Have these people no shame. The Miami isn't featured on the front page of ESPN.com or their CFB section, but guess who's at the top of the OTL section?

klfeck's picture

Anyone else find it interesting that this guy keeps getting pulled over in other peoples cars?

Kevin
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Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Scott's picture

For the sake of consistency, anyone who said Ohio State should get the death penalty better be recommending that the U's entire campus be bulldozed.

Class of 2008

AcrossTheField11's picture

I remember back in November 2010, Cowherd (I think... one of the ESPN radio blowhards) claimed that there was a top 12ish program that was about to get absolutely smacked up. 

I think he also said that it was going to be a "shocker".  People were speculating ND, Stanford etc becuase the word "shocker" was involved.  Some others were also thinking it was Oregon at first due to some smoking guns, but that probably wouldn't shock anyone.  Then the OSU "scandal" broke on December 22nd.  Everyone thought that this had to be what Cowherd was referring to because of Tressel's reputation.  That always stuck me as weird becuase tOSU is by no means a top 12 program (top 3... top 5 at worst). 

This has got to be what he was referring to.  11 month Yahoo! investigation leaves the start of the investigation at last September.  While I'm sure the fact that Miami's players broke NCAA rules would not be considered a shocker by anyone, I think the degree of the violations alleged would explain the usage of this word.  Strippers, hookers, yachts, abortions?  Good lord.

 

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

btalbert25's picture

I think it could definitely Miami, but I have a feeling that it could still be someone else.  The Lyles stuff is still out there and I think once it is all said and done t here are another handful of schools who could get hit pretty hard before this college football season is over. One things that's sure, The NCAA will have plenty of opportunities to show they are still relevant.

LadyBuck's picture

Miami is in for one interesting ride. The NCAA is in to better position if Paul Dee was truly involved. This is going to be quite interesting.

Bucks's picture

The NCAA has confirmed an investigation into Miami beginning 5 months ago FWIW. An investigation isn't anything new at all but 5 months into it, is.

"The NCAA says it has been investigating the relationship between a convicted Ponzi scheme artist and the University of Miami for five months, saying the allegations — if true — show the need for "serious and fundamental change" in college sports."

Hamsterdam's picture

As an unabashed conservative, I understand some of you will take issue with what I have to write but I feel it bears at least mentioning:

1. A vast majority of sports writers/reporters in general are of the more liberal-minded ilk. There is an even vaster majority of folks at ESPN who fall into this category. Read their Twitter feeds, look at what they retweet in terms of politics, etc. Outside of Bob Ley, there likely isn't a single on-air reporter/anchor at ESPN who voted for John McCain in 2008.

2. ESPN goes HARD after The Ohio State University and Gordon Gee (Mormon, Republican) and Jim Tressel (Christian, Republican). I doubt they show the same passion going after Donna Shalalalalalalala (former Clinton administration cabinent member and woman) and the Univ. of Miami (located in one of the most liberal areas of the United States ... culturally, locally and within its retiree community).

 

btalbert25's picture

Taking politics out of the mix, Gee has made himself look like quite a jackass since this mess started.  He hasn't needed any help from anyone there.  How many conservative Christians do you think were ready for Tressel to be gone after he gave an interview to a gay and lesbian publication?  I bet a lot.  The Miami story is getting a lot of publicity.  The more details that come out, the more it's going to get.  For Cryin out loud NPR has even talked about it.  If it's a sport story and it make NPR, it's a big deal.

Bucksfan's picture

lol...Believe me, if ESPN was part of some sort of liberal conspiracy out to defame religious conservatives, it would be done with far better execution and more facts.

Denny's picture

Oh, Hammy - why you gotta hit the third rail?

Taquitos.

Matt's picture

11W hasn't hosted this type of politics discussion in at least two weeks, we are long overdue

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I agree with your assessment that most ESPN personalities lean to the left, but I think it has nothing to do with their motivations behind demonizing the Big Ten Network and OSU.

Think about it... the SEC is where? The freakin bible belt, man. And yet they cheerlead for the SEC, including for Tim Tebow (an unabashed hardcore pro-life Christian Conservative) when he was a Gator.

I think ESPiN's motivation behind denigrating OSU has to do with two things: A) ratings... even if they make shit up, people buy it and watch the network, because most the country hates Ohio State, and B) Big ten Network... Delaney called their bluff and they still can't get over it.

And in the future... NO POLITICS! I'm an ardent Goldwater Conservative (call me a Ron Paul libertarian if you'd like), but POLITICS has no place on a Buckeye forum.

 

btalbert25's picture

Well said.  It's about ratings and money.  How many webhits do you think ESPN has had today by Ohio State fans rushing to their site to see where they have linked Miami's story, or what page it's on.  The number from this site alone is significant I'm sure.

 

Denny's picture

And how many of those people accidentally clicked on an ad link because the whole page background is probably a giant advertisement for shitty razors and/or gatorade? :( :(

Taquitos.

Bucks43201's picture

good point bro!
look at George Dohrmann's twitter -- who he's following...Paul Krugman and the re-elect Obama campaign

 

speaks volumes

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

btalbert25's picture

Did anyone happen to see their segment, "Blueprint for Change" yesterday?  They ask Urban Meyer what can be done to clean up football.  He referenced how well the NCAA has policed the steroid problem and he talked to 2 trusted players and said are steroids in college football?  They replied, no.  Then he asked what about agents and boosters giving gifts? They both said coach it's all over the place you can't get away from it.  So they ask him, how do you correct it.  He said get rid of the notion of secondary violations(I agree). He goes on to say basically that the fact coaches knowingly do something wrong because it's secondary is a major problem.  Then they ask Nick Saban his opinion of what Urban said.  He was like yeah I totally agree with Urban, we need to stop these coaches from doing things that break rules.

I'm thinking how the hell could Saban keep a strait face while saying that.  His programs are notorious for being serial offenders, especially of secondary violations.  Potentially with the menswear store, major violations.  I can respect Urban a bit, but Nick Saban grow a freakin backbone, you are one of the biggest contributors to all of what's wrong in NCAA football.  Urban called him out indirectly and instead of defending his actions he lost his sack and just nodded and agreed. It was laughable.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Yeah. I saw it late last night. I was waiting for lightning to strike that cheating douche mid-sentence.

btalbert25's picture

I was laughing out loud while he was talking.

btalbert25's picture

So basically a huge chunk of Sportcenter, All of OTL first take or whatever they call the afternoon show, and the entire intro and beginning of college football live has centered around Miami.  I think this is definitely going to get a TON of attention from ESPN. 

Maestro's picture

Why wouldn't there be? It's a huge story. ESPN is not going to ignore a huge story just to push an agenda.

While there might be some increased attention paid to OSU by thefourletter, I think for the most part we just don't like being the center of negative attention. Who would?

This is a generic statement, not directed just at you BT.

vacuuming sucks

NeARBuckeye's picture

Dont worry they haven't forgotten about us. Ohio state and TP are still on the front page... Right below Miami.

Maestro's picture

I am sure there is more to come, but already that story doesn't add up to me. Pryor supposedly declares that he is leaving school because the NCAA expanded their search into him on June 7. Yet over a month later the NCAA tells Ohio State that there will be no new allegations added to the August 12th hearing. Now this? Just doesn't seem to add up. From June 7th-July 13th (roughly) there was no evidence that warranted anything, but all of a sudden there is?

vacuuming sucks

Bucks's picture

I am withholding judgement until more comes on this. Doesn't look good though. I know some people believe that the additional *issue(s)* cited by the NCAA in their correspondance are explained already but I don't subscribe to that.

If the NCAA was indeed notified & provided with documentation for additional violations by Pryor, look for something additional in the near future. I'm not willing to dismiss Forde's claim of additional issues as a letter to the COI.

The building mantra of support for Pryor will be gone (for me anyways) if this path continues. You aren't helping the university by leaving/refusing to talk to the NCAA, if you have provided them proof of additional violations. Sorry, but at that point ... you are only looking out for yourself and giving a middle finger to tOSU.

 

If the University claims this is incorrect & Pryor's representation claims the opposite ... ONE is lying. Which one? Pretty important.

NeARBuckeye's picture

I won't hate on him for it. He's got to look out for himself. Ohio state will be okay financially. This kid could be out on the street. Unless he uses his degree in exploring and finds some buried treasure.

Bucks's picture

Not for me. If he is going to now lash out at the university ... when his own actions are the cause for his situation, he can sit & spin.

btalbert25's picture

If Pryor comes out and said he received other benefits and broke other rules, it's news though.  He's essentially I broke a bunch of rules in addition to the ones I got busted for.  Whether we believe it's a big deal or not because Sarniak wasn't a booster is Irrelevant.  We played a whole slew of games over 3 years with this guy as our QB, perhaps every game he played he was inelligible for, causing each of his wins to be vacated. 

What if more info comes out about the scope to which Tressel new TP was breaking rules.  Obviously, Tress and Sarniak had a pretty close relationship as that was the first person he called when he found out about the TatGate.  There is definitely the potential for more trouble, but it's newsworthy when TP says I cheated more than than I was accused of earlier.  The NCAA has to find out who knew about it and how much they did indeed know about it. 

NW Buckeye's picture

OK, so the reports are that the NCAA started yo investigate Benefits Pryor may have received in the spring of this year. And it is causing a lot of stir here. Bottom line is that Pryor's last game as a Buckeye was Jan 1. Anything that happened after that is moot as Pryor will NOT be playing in any more games. So any benefits he received after Jan 1 are not subject to scrutiny. Yes, they would have if he were still on the roster for this fall. He knew that and bolted. Once he bolted - no compliance issues - hence no LOI. We all need to think things out before we panic. I believe Brutus when he says no additional LOIs have been received.

Bucks's picture

Not sure where your thoughts are on dates. Anything that took place previous to him hiring an agent & becoming officially ineligible is fair game for violations. Jan. 1st is not the end all for it.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Didn't tOSU say he wasn't eligible at some point?

Bucks's picture

I don't believe they publicly made him ineligible until either April or May? It certainly wasn't before the Tressel deal took a few rounds through the merry go round.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

As long as it isn't glorified and approved of. I would love to get former players to comment.

BENNYBLANCO's picture

I want know what is going to happen to oregon, what is really going on there? We all know the u is going down in flames!

Potential recruiting violations (and I say potential, understanding that this hasnt been put to rest) with Willy Lyles & Co. Their star defensive back finding a way to get in trouble everytime Chip Kelly turns his head. Their starting QB, finding a way to be at the wrong place at the wrong time not once, not twice but THREE serperate times (and is still going to start against LSU).

Did anyone really watch that video of the dash-cam from the Oregon state trooper, when Cliff Harris and Darren Thomas (QB) & Co were pulled over for doing 118mph (in an vehicle rented by someone from their own athletic dept) while smoking tweed? The officer clearly recognized the individuals as oregon f-ball stars and acknowleged the driver (Harris) was driving without AND suspended liscence along with the strong odor of tweed.

The officer did NOT search the car, did NOT cuff the driver (Harris) and let them drive home??? To top it off, Kelly is defending the kids in a manor of innocent until proven guilty???

Impartial treatment? Impartial benefits? There has to be multiple violations along with broklen laws here in just one outing!

btalbert25's picture

The Lyles stuff is going to be huge in my opinion.  It implicates a lot of players and schools.  Ya know if Wetzel and Robinson were working on this Miami Story for much of the last year, they also had the Ohio State stuff they were breaking, I have a feeling they may have something in the works with regard to Lyles.  Especially, since he is talking now.  Oregon didn't pay him and it pissed him off royally.  He's got financial papers and pics too.  I have a feeling they are going to put something equally as impressive out about Lyles, it may take more time though if he's giving them info on multiple programs and they have to chase down all of those leads.

The Six Fingered Buckeye's picture

Wasn't it Wetzel and Robinson that broke the Lyles story with the pictures as well?

 

Yup, it was: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-robinson_scout_detail...

Please, be honest. This is for science.

Bucks's picture

It only took a full day, but Espin has finally re-packaged the Miami issue into their own & run it front page.

 

Denny, you may commence your lecture on me looking.

btalbert25's picture

I haven't checked out their website, but their programming has been very Miami heavy all day.  On my way home tonight after the Reds game I turned on the local ESPN radio affiliate too and that's all Freddy Coleman could talk about, and big shocker here Mark May made it through a long rant about how even if 1/3rd of the Miami accusations are true the death penalty has to be in consideration.  His whole rant never mentioned the Buckeyes.  It's safe to say that these guys are all in on the Miami story now.

Denny's picture

It's hard to re-package an entire investagative report while simultaneously trying to avoid crediting those at a competing company.

Somewhere in Bristol, the interweb trolls are laughing, saying 'HA HA, PAGEVIEWS!'

Taquitos.

acBuckeye's picture

'Think Derpmann is hoping "Ellis" has pics of OSU's entire two-deep getting tats while doing coke off the breasts of strippers as Tressel looks on spinning vinyl in between sessions of making it rain c-notes or what?'

I LOL'ed.