Turning the Page

By Chris Lauderback on June 4, 2011 at 6:00a
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TP in less awful times. Too easy?

Closing in on a week removed since Jim Tressel's resignation, we still have what feels like an eternity being able to completely turn the page on the impacts of the scandal that has rocked the program.

We're dealing with reconciling the Vest's tainted legacy, trying to understand potential ramifications of the recent barrage of new gear-for-ink/cash allegations involving additional of players beyond the previously known six, attempting to determine who will be our new permanent head coach and playing the guessing game as to how severe the penalities might be while pondering if our quarterback's career is as done as being reported, and if we even want him back regardless.

Obviously, what compounds all of these issues and unknowns is the the element of time. It's the off-season so we can't get back on the horse. Instead we're forced to sit and wait as the OSU and NCAA investigations take place amidst the backdrop of national scrutiny.

The time festers speculation, fear and a defense mechanism that is running low on juice. Even worse, our defense mechanism usually always reserved for defending our own is shrouded in turmoil especially when it comes to Terrelle Pryor.

Though Pryor isn't responsible for Tressel's demise, his role as a root cause for the birth of this mess has triggered much of the fanbase to turn on him. It's also fair to surmise the locker room is divided as few have come to his specific defense with most seemingly electing not to touch the subject either via twitter. Influential former players in the media have taken their shots with Herbie and Spielman leading the charge.

With all the chatter about TP's career in scarlet and gray all but over, one has to wonder if Ohio State won't be more than willing to play along and do whatever they can to appease the NCAA which could come in the form of suspending Pryor for the rest of the season assuming the Pryor-specific portion of the investigations causes the NCAA to postpone the currently scheduled August 12th hearing or if any new evidence comes to light ahead of the hearing prompting OSU to take proactive action in hopes of gaining points with the infractions committee. Certainly they'd never advertise such a plan but there are worse ideas than distancing themselves from Pryor should the opportunity arise after having already cut ties with Tressel.

Trying to look at this as unbiased as possible, I just don't see how Pryor can get back on the field in Ohio Stadium if he actually regains eligibility (despite statements out of legal guardians or any other entity). It would look awful for the university to see him out there with more than half the stadium showering the field with boos in front of a national TV audience.

It may not be totally fair that Posey, Adams, Boom and Thomas likely won't suffer the same degree of backlash should they too once again suit up for the Buckeyes but it seems the reality at this point.

The FutureIt's Miller Time for many

Considering nobody wants to see such a debacle and the program really needs to jumpstart the process of attempting to move on, my vote is for the Braxton Miller era to commence with an unwavering commitment to letting him gain a full season of experience.

The season is already unfair to the rule abiding seniors and I refuse to be convinced Fickell would be compromising the best chance to win by putting a true freshman under center.

It's a risky move but made less so by examining an offense line replacing three starters for at least five games and at least two starters after that. The result could be a sometimes pourous pass pro offset by Miller's ability to create in space, or at the very least, avoid as many sacks as Bauserman is likely to surrender.

Guiton would fare better than the Baus but would it be worth setting Miller a year back? Not for me. Throw in the fact the wideouts are largely young and unproven and it seems like the perfect time to let the chemistry lesson commence.

It's hard to fathom looking at an OSU football season as a rebuilding year but that's where I am with it. I've already got one eye on next year and the bonus is that starting Miller isn't an act of giving up on this year.

I'm more than ready to move on with this current dark chapter in Ohio State history and permanently turning the page at the QB position is a great place to start.

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OHIOinME's picture

I just don't see how Pryor can get back on the field in Ohio Stadium if he actually regains eligibility (despite statements out of legal guardians or any other entity). It would look awful for the university to see him out there with more than half the stadium showering the field with boos in front of a national TV audience.

It may not be totally fair that Posey, Adams, Boom and Thomas likely won't suffer the same degree of backlash should they too once again suit up for the Buckeyes but it seems the reality at this point.
 

If Pryor remains eligible and only gets the 5 game suspension then the situation for him and the others hasn't change.  If nothing else comes about, then he only did this stuff a few years back and Tressel and company's mentoring was working.  No doubt he has made some bonehead moves throughout his time at OSU but we are watching these kids grow up and mature.  Sure some kids already know certain societal norms more than others, some are nicer or more savvy than others and some are more privy to a silver spoon.  But to each their own regarding their growing lessons and pains.  They are all young people growing up in the public eye.

If anyone boos any of these kids when they become NCAA, tOSU, and team eligible to suit up and take the field, then as Tressel would say, "I feel sorry for you because you must be a very sad person."  However, I'd put it differently.  As I would say, "you must be trash and don't understand how a person can fall, get up and try to do what's right until the next lesson trips them up again.  You don't understand that this is just collegiate athletics and you are letting the behavior of 17 to 20-somethings rule your life.  Don't you have anything else in your life that is more important, like family, friends, volunteering...something?"  If these kids become eligible to play again that means they served their punishment and has done the right things to play.  That is a sign of growth and learning.  Please don't boo a player's character or past behavior.  That is not helping anyone grow up.  I don't mind booing a bad play call, or a bad coaching strategy.  But we shouldn't boo an individual's life, or a player in a slump. 

 

Hoody Wayes's picture

I don't think the fans should go overboard, in expressing their displeasure with these five players - and Pryor, specifically.

Nor do I think one round of boos from the fans is, unreasonable.

 

OHIOinME's picture

I think it's sad and all the players already know our displeasure of their selfish actions.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

I was embarrassed as hell when I was sitting in the Shoe in 2008 and our fans started booing Todd Boeckman. Nothing says "classless" more than booing your own team and players.

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

Pam's picture

I cried when our fans booed Todd B. It was a very low moment for Buckeye fans.  I got to meet TB on the Buckeye Cruise when he was helping conduct Football 101 for Ladies along with Krenzel and Ryan Milller. At the end I stood up and thanked him for his contributions and also apologized for some of our "fans" behavior during the Ohio game.  There were about 60 other ladies there and they gave him a standing O. Afterward he came over to hug me and had tears in his eyes.  None of our players deserve to be booed EVER, but especailly Todd. He worked his ass off and took being replaced by TP with grace, class and humility. It makes me mad just thinking about a decent guy like him getting treated like that.  From. our. own. fans. Shamful.

NW Buckeye's picture

Pam, I was down on the field for the Tunnel of Pride for Todd's last game in the shoe.  I got to congratulate him personally and gave him a good hand shake and a hug.  He was thouroughly involved in the moment and had a lot of pride.  A class act. 

Pam's picture

That was the '08 UM game right?  I was there too.  Very very emotional saying goodbye to him, JL, Malcolm Jenkins and Beanie.  Of couse I just lost it completely when they introduced Tyson Gentry last.  If I recall TB had a nice TD in the 4th.

NW Buckeye's picture

Correct. That TD brought everyone up out of their seats and Todd received a much needed ovation. Brought tears to our eyes (the wife and me). Good memories.

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

Shameful indeed Pam. I have never booed a Buckeye, and never will. If TP makes it back onto the field, he'll have my unwavering support. I just got done watching last year's Iowa game. If he comes out of this investigation unscathed, I can't see how any of us can honestly say that he should just be tossed aside and done away with. He f*d up royally, so did a lot of other Buckeyes. The other 5, but remember Nathan Williams and the shoplifting? Remember Reynolds and the choke? Our beloved Troy Smith took $ from a booster, etc. Young people, F up, and sometimes royally. TP's being punished and last I heard, hasn't whined or bitched about it. Unless something new comes out, I can't see how so many are so willing to turn their backs on someone who chose The Ohio State University over M*chigan and has given his all to us for 3 years now. He committed to return after the suspension and he kept his word. Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed at him, but I think the media and many of us have chosen to scapegoat TP for Tress's resignation. Honestly, do you think, right now, Tressel is cursing TP under his breath? I doubt it, I think he's rooting him on and hoping he makes it to start game 6.

Since the booing thing was brought up, something else that I hate is when our fans boo our band when they're playing the opposing team's fight song. C'mon, really? You're going to boo our own band? Please don't boo our band...even when they're playing "Hail" 

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

Pam's picture

I watched the Iowa game today too.  TP just took that game over FTW with that 4th and long.

Check the 3:56 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4f6r8Vmgfs

Very very tough seeing JT roaming the sidelines. Even my son got a little choked up.

Leanenaud's picture

I watched too, Pam. No one can fill Jim Tressel's shoes. It's gonna be hard not seeing him on the sideline in 2011.

He's truly Ohio's Son.

Abe Froman's picture

Valid point Aero.  I might be wrong on this, because I am not a big Band Nut, but didn't the michigan band actually show the OSU band how to do script Ohio back in the 50's?

 

As for booing any of the athletes on the field, there is really no right time to boo a player.  Sure, we all become frustrated with a player when we feel he/she is underperforming.  We may also feel that they are just lazy or inept, but the fact is that many of these players have the same emotions and issues that we do and they just may be having a bad day.  Maybe girl problems, or classwork issues are causing distractions.  But they still go out and try, each and every day and 99% of them will screw up at one time or another, but as fans, we have to accept that and reward their effort on and off the field. 

Just remember, it is a game.  Enjoy it for what it is and stop looking at the athletes as they are perfect.  It's much more fun to consider that good athletes make great plays, than great athletes make good plays (relatively of course).

The King of Chicago.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Ab,

The Mihchigan Band marchied into a formation that was a script Ohio.  They didn't scribe it out in single file like the modern Script Ohio.  After all, weasels can't spell Ohio if you spot them the OH.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

AltaBuck's picture

Now is the time for the Buckeye Nation to unite. To back the team, the coaching staff and the great university they represent. More than any other time in the program's history, the team needs the support of the fans.

And when Gameday shows up on campus, we definitely need to send a message that day.

One idea would be a silent protest. Silence surrounding the Gameday set. No signs or cheerleaders, just one united, pissed off Buckeye Nation. Any other ideas?

I reminded of a quote from Admiral Yamamoto after the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

In 2011....Let's show the nation and this year's opponents what kind of resolve we have. I cannot wait for the season to start.

 

 

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

Denny's picture

First thing we should do after we unite is never use the term 'Buckeye Nation' again.

I like the silence around Gameday thing, but that's reliant upon Gameday showing up. Since we're playing at Nebraska and at Miami, there won't be a particularly good chance for that.

Taquitos.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Unite? We're here - on this blog - as Buckeye fans. 

This ain't a treaty, dude.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

What's wrong with Buckeye Nation? A good chance for Gameday not to show up? Do you actually watch it? The only thing good about gameday showing up is harassing Howard...

Denny's picture

'____ Nation' is derivative and uninspired. Let Boston have it.

Gameday showing up is contingent on there being a game worth hyping - the best games we have this year are on the road. Altabuck is right - if we *do* have a game with Gameday, it'll be PSU or UW, but there are good odds that there's a better game that week somewhere around These United States.

Taquitos.

AltaBuck's picture

I believe Gameday is more likely to show up this season than past years due to everything that has happened. Higher ratings.

I would think either the Wiscy Game or PSU would be possibilities.

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

doodah_man's picture

Great quote...someone on the Tressel Mirror Lake jump suggested a "Black-out" for the first game. How about a black out for all games?

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

Hoody Wayes's picture

The "Vest Out" article in Buckshots, indicates fans will do what you're suggesting, but truer to Buckeye form.

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Agree with the spirit here. When you recruit 18 year old kids, you inherit their strengths and their flaws. It would be a slap in the face to Tressel to boo these kids when they take the field.

I like the unified protest here. It will be hot in September, so black may not be a great idea. What about white t-shirts with a vest printed on them?

Everyone in the stands wearing the vest.

buckeyedude's picture

Boy, I remember how the "Buckeye Nation"(no apologies) came together after Earle got fired. I remember the band honoring him and some of the players had the head band with "Earle" on it. Almost brought me to tears. Then, Earle went out on a great note by beating the Crapperines.

I really hope that OSU fans would surprise the media, (because they think all OSU fans are couch-burning hoodlums) and NOT BOO those kids. I LOVE the idea of Tressel vests. Just as Tressel made a mistake, so did these kids/young men, and it's time to get over it and move on. Show some class, and not behave like the media expects Buckeye Nation to behave. That's all I have to say about that.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Wu7hSGivs

 

 

AltaBuck's picture

I like the vest idea.  It would be a great way to raise money for charity. Coach Tressel would want it that way.

Someone get Nike on the phone.

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

Scott K's picture

I agree that it would be a good thing for Miller to get as much game experience as possible.  It will certainly help him grow as a player.

However, I have to disagree with your thought that "half the stadium" would rain down boos on TP if he remains eligible.  I just don't see that happening.

More to the point: How does OSU cut ties with him if no new rules violations come to light?  He's been suspended for the rules violations that were reported.  Unless he has violated more rules, he regains his eligibility after the suspension.  That would be like facing double jepordy for crimes he's already been punished for.

Regaining his starting job after returning from suspension is a whole other can of worms...especially if the fill in is lighting things up.

"cutting ties" with him would certainly send a message, but perhaps the wrong one:  make a mistake and we won't stand behind you.  That's not what OSU football has been about, under Woody all the way through Tressel.

Now, if there are new rules violations uncovered, that makes things relatively easy.

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Hoody Wayes's picture

Fickell doesn't have to make a "Tat5"- specific policy statement. As the head coach, he can invoke what's best for the team and choose to start - or sit - players, as he sees fit. That's justification enough, for going to Lincoln with the team that played through the first five games - especially, if those lads produced an undefeated record. 

Scott K's picture

Exactly. If all are eligible after they sit the 5 games, then it's up to the coaches to determine who gives them the best chance of winning.

If nothing else, the coaches owe it to the others on the team, especially the seniors, to field the best possible team with players that are available.  For most seniors, this will be thier last year playing.

I've always felt bad for the players who do everything right, both on the field and in the classroom, etc., but end up being penalized when their teams get hit with sanctions due to the actions of others.  But that's life on a team sport....governed by the NCAA.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Isn't this about doing the "right" thing?  Didn't Tressel (and Woody and Earle and Coop) all preach doing the "right' thing?  Isn't Speils talking about the "right" thing?  Even, God Bless Him, Herbie?

Well answer me this:

 

If TP is exhonerated of all other allegations that seem to be stemming from hear-say, disgruntled former personnel, or half-assed national media that know as much about the tOSU program as I do the Cal Poly San Lius Obispo program; how can dropping TP be the "right" thing?

 

What kind of message does that send about, US?  About "the Program"?  How does that make tOSU morally superior to the over-signing SEC?  One of the corallaries (note to weasel trolls: that means additonal rules based off of another one) of the famous character rule about judging someone for what he does when no one is watching, is the rule that true love and care is based on whats best for you, regardless of whats best for me.  Isn't that what we are promising the parents of the 20-25 new kids we get every year?  Isn't that what I would hope a coach would do for me, if one of my two remaining little boys are blessed with enough talent to play sports in college?

 

Sorry, but IMHO, if TP has fulfilled all his punishments for past transgressions; and if TP has fulfilled his promise NOT to bail on tOSU just because his senior year isn't starting off the way he hoped with a captaincy and playing time but instead with a suspension; the how in the name of Woody Hayes can you justify your own blood lust by booing him and demanding he be shown the door?

 

I'm about as law and order as they come, but some of you really cause me to shake my head.  Another corallary:  I learned this once while reading a book on game strategy:  When  in doubt about what to do, do whatever your opponent doesn't want you to do.  So, if TP regains his eligibility by fulfilling his punishments, do you think weasel fans will be happy if he regains his job?  

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Denny's picture

Very well-said.

Taquitos.

Another Jason's picture

This.  A million times this.

mr.green's picture

The idea behind booing student athletes seems to me to be how we got here in the first place. Treat them as they are: Kids who chose Ohio State over any other school. No matter what -- win, lose, even lie -- they are Buckeyes and I will cheer them onto and off of the field. 

Yes, a bad first half performance cause some people to boo the way the team is PLAYING at the half -- but if you do not like someone who wears our uniform, just don't say or do ANYTHING. When m*chigan runs on our field, I turn my back. I don't boo. Save your jeers for the pros.

time and change ...

mr.green's picture

The idea behind booing student athletes seems to me to be how we got here in the first place. Treat them as they are: Kids who chose Ohio State over any other school. No matter what -- win, lose, even lie -- they are Buckeyes and I will cheer them onto and off of the field. 

Yes, a bad first half performance cause some people to boo the way the team is PLAYING at the half -- but if you do not like someone who wears our uniform, just don't say or do ANYTHING. When m*chigan runs on our field, I turn my back. I don't boo. Save your jeers for the pros.

time and change ...

mr.green's picture

 

... and i hope TP plays again. He's an incredible player.

741's picture

+1

Booing the Buckeyes inside Ohio Stadium is never appropriate. Don't be that guy, please.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Sorry, but I refuse to ever not boo my arse off when TSUN enters the stadium. Pretty sure I boo'd Miami pretty hard too.....not apologizing for it either.

741's picture

Bad form to boo the opponents, but within the realm of acceptable behavior. :)

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I only boo at Michigan, maybe Wisconsin this year. I golf clap for others, save for Navy which I cheered a lil' Go Navy & Semper Fi.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

I posted this in the previous article but I think it belongs here as well...

 

Over the past couple of days I have noticed a big shift in the overall opinion of TP. When Tressel resigned, a lot of fans were coming down hard on the suspended players for getting the program in this mess. Now, after reading a lot of comments on this post, it seems that people are coming to bat for TP.

I can see TP up on the witness stand as Col Jessep...

"Son, we live in a college football world that has fields, and those fields have to be guarded by men with freakish athletic ability. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Joe Bauserman? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Tressel, and you curse the Tat5. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Tressel's resignation, while tragic, probably saved the university from further NCAA sanctions. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins football games. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that field, you need me on that field."
 

If you want Fickell to be the next head coach at OSU, I think you need Pryor leading the offense.  OSU doesn't win 10+ games with Bauserman or Miller.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

LOL.  Well said too.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

I could go further...

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a fanbase who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the Big Ten Championships/wins over Michigan that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and stand behind Brewster's fat ass. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
 

tampa buckeye's picture

I do think miller get us  10 wins.  Pryor gives Ohio State a shot at the title.  

GoBlu's picture

10 wins? This is the type of distraction/ pressure that undermines NFL teams, let alone young college kids.

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

+ A Million. 

 

I love a Few Good Men, and this was perfect.

OHIOinME's picture

I'm thinking Tressel as the Colonel and TP as Lt Kendrick.  It just makes sense. But I like it anyway. 

tampa buckeye's picture

Anyone else find it funny that a murder trial takes one to two weeks, but NCAA violations my god thats serious business that could take months!  What a joke.

buckeyedude's picture

Certainly, OJ's didn't take two weeks. But I digress.

 

 

OHIOinME's picture

A muder trial doesn't take 2 weeks.  My wife is a teacher and one of her kids and his older brother was shot and killed a couple of years after he graduated.  It took months.  Several months, probably closer to a year to a year and a half. I could imagine being a family member.   

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Did anyone else see Jordan Hall's Twitter posts from a few days ago? "So much love for coach tress. Promise no team wanna play us .#onamission" , which he followed up with "WE GOOD.. MORE TOGETHER THAN EVER! BELIEVE THAT RT @Trillis I jus hope the team can stick together thru all this. #Buckeyenation" 

I've seen that spirit from a couple of players now and it's really impressive. So far, the locker room seems to be uniting far more than the fan base. I think that this kind of unity speaks to Tress's legacy and the kind of program culture he cultivated. We as fans could learn a little from the team's unity now and not ever think to boo one of our own. 

Bucksfan's picture

Guys, everything that comes from Pryor falls under this mentality: "As long as I'm winning you football games, I can do whatever I want."  I guarantee you that he feels entitled to whatever he does off the field because he's never lost to Michigan, and he's been the MVP of two BCS bowls.  That's how he was when the scandal broke, in his spars with Herbstreit, and going back to his Mika Vick saga.

And now he shows up at practice in front of cameras in a car driving with a suspended license.  You have got to be kidding me if you don't think this shithead deserves to be booed when he takes the field.  Yes, Terrelle, it's great you win football games, but you played a major role in all of this mess where it doesn't seem like you really care, and 1/3 of your career is about to be negated because of it, we lost Tressel because of it, and many of our alumni feel embarrassed to wear any of their OSU stuff out in public right now.

I won't be booing at Ohio Stadium this fall if he takes the field.  That's because I'm not setting foot in that stadium until this crap sport of college football gets fixed.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

I understand your frustration, but what about the seniors especially? I mean, there are a lot of kids on this team that weren't involved with Tatgate and deserve our support

Bucksfan's picture

Adams, Posey, Herron, and Pryor ARE seniors.  And to answer your question, no...it is not in the players' signed agreements with the University that they will receive unconditional support from everyone just because they play football for Ohio State.  I don't owe anyone on that football team anything I haven't already given them.  If that football team disappeared, there's still a university there educating people and administering degrees.  Perhaps if everyone on the team took part in such humility, none of this cr*p would have happened in the first place.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

I have no desire to start an argument. My point is simply that there are plenty of other senior players on this team who are worthy of support, regardless of one's feelings about the Tat5 and college football as a whole. 

Bucksfan's picture

That's fair.  I mean, you can do whatever you want.  But let me ask you this:  Knowing what you know now about how deceptive things can be, how do you know who deserves support and who doesn't?

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Good.  Because with that attitude, if you sat next to me I would dot YOUR eye.;)

Seriously.  With that attitude, I sure would not want you in my fox hole.

 

Oh, Yeah.  And change your name.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Bucksfan's picture

GTF out of here.  This is not the military.  This is a college sport.  Ohio State fans are not an army.  Ohio State alumni, like myself, are supposed to be college graduates, and well-regarded college graduates.  And if something stinks at the University, then it's our job to use our expensive brains and critically interpret what's happening...not to keep blindly worshiping 19 year old jocks.  Like I said, the problem is with the sport as a whole.  But Ohio State is a major player in it.  It is absurd to say college football is a joke of a sport from the NCAA on down, and not include Ohio State in the conversation.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

OK then.  CHANGE YOUR NAME.  Make it Ohio State Alum or Ohio State Gradf.  But get FAN out of your name, because you're clearly NOT a fan of college football or any of the major teams that play it; including The Ohio State University.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Bucksfan's picture

Ha!  I bet if I told you I vote Democrat you'd tell me I'm not a real American.  Get off it, guy.  You're way off base.

William's picture

Wow this comment is completely irrevalent, and simply dumb. Don't involve politics, this is an apolitical blog. Way to make such generalized and ignorant statements..

Bucksfan's picture

You're dumb and ignorant...

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I would never tell you you are unamerican.  But with all your hate, I'm not surprised you vote Dem.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

GoBlu's picture

It's funny how the attitude differs from actual alumni to fly by night fans defending anything players/coaches do just to have 10 wins a year.

OSU is a respectable college but you'd never know it by the idiot fan base only concerned by winning and defending Tressel and Pryor.

Bucksfan's picture

I'm starting to understand why the Ivy League abandoned large scale college football long ago.

Denny's picture

It's because rowing is where true athletes compete, obvs.

Taquitos.

William's picture

Because they're antiquated? It's obviously not impossible to balance large money sports and academic prestige. UNC does it, Duke does it, Texas does it, Ohio State does it, UCLA does it, Penn State does it, Stanford does it. The Ivy League didn't abandon large scale college football, large scale college football abandoned them...

Bucksfan's picture

Wow, not even close, bud.  The Ivy League could very well offer full athletic scholarships to fund every single sport they field.  But they don't, and they don't on purpose.

William's picture

Really? Their athletic departments coud fund all programs that well? I'd call BS considering that even Texas and Ohio State don't offer full rides in all varsity sports and they're two of maybe five self-sustaining athletic departments in the whole nation. There's nothing special about the Ivy League other than their ridiculously low acceptance rates, their schools aren't any better than any other well established public institution. They don't because the can't...

Bucksfan's picture

HAHAHA!!! Really?!  Ohio State's endowment is in the $2 billion range.  Harvard's annual endowment as of 2010 was valued at $27.4 billion.

Way to not know a thing about it, William.

William's picture

You're right their endowment is well above OSU's, how much of that can they put towards thir athletics when they have to focus it on academics. Point is OSU as a research university has done more for the US in the past quarter decade than any Ivy League. Try this genius OSU's aerospace research lab has designed jet engines for GE for the past 25 years that means just about any commercial flight you've taken was powered by an engine designed through OSU's cooperation and research. Harvard wastes their money in comparison to OSU. OSU's athletic department is self sustaining, Harvard's isn't. OSU has an endowment that is a tenth of Harvard's and OSU research has done more for the US than Harvard has in the past half century.

Denny's picture

'Point is OSU as a research university has done more for the US in the past quarter decade than any Ivy League.

I love OSU, but no. Just, no.

I can only speak as a chemist, but as much as I respect Doc Paquette and Prof Chisholm (arguably OSU's most well-known chemists), they haven't made anywhere near the impact that EJ Corey or George Whitesides have made (both of which are at Harvard).

At Maryland where I'm currently studying, there are 48 professors out of about 50 on the faculty in the chemistry department studied at an Ivy League school (or Berkeley or MIT). Academia is rife with Ivy League types. And high-ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle are almost all Ivy League educated. Just about every president we've had has been from an Ivy.

Taquitos.

William's picture

Mentioning that many politicians are Ivy League grads degrades their stature in my eyes. As well many presidents who were Ivy grads, sucked. Here's an example FDR, easily the most overrated president in our history. Another is Wilson who was an Ivy president, if we had followed his isolationist tendencies, Western Europe would either be speaking German, or would still be recovering from the Great War. What have engineers at Dartmouth's Thayer School done in the past quarter century? They haven't been designing GE engines, or developing alternative fuel methods for automobiles.( Look at OSU's Buckeye Bullet.) How many Ivy medical research centers have developed a booster that slows the brain damage caused by cardiac arrest and lack of oxygen? None. What about agrigcultural developments? Texas and OSU are the top two privately funded research institutions in the US. They impact more people than Ivy League schools do. The Ivy League schools are fabulous at everything, just ask them.

Denny's picture

The Ivy League is has produced 331 Nobel Laureates (either former students or faculty at the time of their award). OSU has produced 4. The Big Ten as a whole has produced 111 (196 if you decide to include the University of Chicago for poops and giggles). You can cherrypick nice PR pieces that make OSU look great - and I don't mean to denigrate the work that's going on there, at all - but to argue that OSU alone makes a greater impact than the entire Ivy League is patently absurd.

Like I said, I love OSU. I didn't get in to Harvard or MIT for graduate school. I have no affiliation with those schools, except for the $75 and four essays that I sent them back in '05. But even with that in mind, I think it's pretty ridiculous to make hyperbolic statements about OSU making a greater impact on society than the entirety of the Ivy League. It would be equally absurd to claim that OSU is doing more than the Pac 10, or any conference as a whole. To make that claim about the Ivy League is a particularly silly argument IMO.

Taquitos.

NeARBuckeye's picture

Dude... I love Ohio State, but academically it does not hold a candle to the likes of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Stanford etc. There is a reason that they have a reputation as the best schools in the country... They've earned it and they could care less about football. 

Look at our roster, there are only a handful of engineers or science majors, the majority of the team consists of some sort of soft liberal art. I'm not even sure a school like Harvard offers communications as a degree, and I'm sure African American studies is not as easy How High portrayed it to be.

We just recruited a guy who got an 18 on his ACT. Do you really think that would fly at Stanford? Regardless of talent, they'd turn him away.

Pam's picture

The Ivy League divested themselves from large scale college football by no longer offering athletic scholarships over 50 years ago. There aren't even merit scholarships, only need based. By doing that they wanted to make sure that the mission of the members was purely academic. I went to Princeton. They are pretty serious about the Ivy type sports like lax and rowing and compete really well in NCAA BB. The NCAA tourney is the only post season event they go to. A Princeton football game is hysterical. They have no band, anyone with an instrument can join.  I was at one game where a girl was marching with an electric guitar and a guy was pounding on an enormous pumpkin instead of a drum. It is all very tongue in cheek. Wine and cheese at tail gates with real glasses and china. A ticket is $7, cash only. If Princeton stopped charging tuition ($55K a year) they could easily operate forever just on endowments. The Ivy League definetly abandoned large scale CFB and in the process, all the crap that goes with it.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Defending your family is not idiotic....trying to insert your opinion in what has nothing to do with you, however, is.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Another Jason's picture

Impressive.  You can "guarantee" what's going on in Pryor's head, but you don't know that only one half of that eye-black deco had to do with Michael Vick.  Mika is his sister.

Bucksfan's picture

I absolutely DID know that.  "Everybody kills people."  What a dipshit.

RC's picture

Yes, you certainly are a dipshit.

NW Buckeye's picture

So two dipshits makes it right? Your venomous post is just as ridiculous as Pryor's actions. I do not approve of his off field antics, but I will not boo him in the stadium. I may not cheer for him, but I will not stoop to his or your level to make me do something I would never do to anyone who dons the scarlet and gray. In case you haven't been following the news lately, the NCAA takes all of the allegations very seriously. Pryor was hot boxed by them for 4 hours one day this last week. They will get to the bottom of this and issue appropriate sanctions. That may not be good enough for you, so be it. I do know that if OSU parted ways with him now it would not be a good solution to anything. First it would be OSU usurping control from the NCAA. Second, it would expose OSU to a batch of criticism from the talking heads - yes the real target of all the investigative articles is and always has been OSU. Third, it would send a clear message to all future recruits that OSU will not stand by them through thick and thin. That said, ther are always boundaries that can be crossed that merit dismissal. TP has walked a fine line, but has not breached those limits yet. Notice I did say yet. I do trust the staff to cross that bridge if it becomes necessary. But, it would be a true shame if they did so simply to satisfy the lynch mobs generated by the likes of articles by SI. Everyone is entitled to due process, and so far due process has not produced a reason to end TP's college experience. It may end up that way, but give it time.

Another Jason's picture

So you knew that Mika had nothing to do with his comments about Vick, yet you still called it the "Mika Vick saga."  Okay.

And there was a lot more to his poorly-worded message than those three words.  Taking it out of context and literally makes you (and 90% of people who keep bringing it up) a bigger dipshit than he is for saying it.

buckeyedude's picture

Man! What a grumpy old dude, BUCKSFAN! Why don't you go get laid or something? 

 

 

Bucksfan's picture

Yeah, I'll just call up a booster, tell them I'm a football recruit.  I'm sure they'll show me to the right parties to make that happen.

NW Buckeye's picture

Wow, you really know how to make a comeback. Seems your ego is as big as TPs. Explains the bitter tone of your posts.

Hoody Wayes's picture

A reasonable point of view.

WC Buckeye's picture

Strong stand. They definitely need to find a way to remove the tumors in this sport, but that is a different topic. Let me tell a little story about yesterday as it relates to wearing the Scarlet and Gray, how I perceive those who won't do it for whatever reason, and the way we really all should be conducting ourselves in the current atmosphere.

I live on the west coast and travel pretty routinely from my home in the San Diego area to points all over the LA area, either for youth athletics or business. Brentwood to Watts, and all points north/south to east/west. Yesterday, I went up to Cal State Dominguez Hills to watch my son play a baseball double-header. Mind you, this institution is an oasis nestled right in the heart of the desert that is South Central LA, thisclose to Compton, and in rabid USC, UCLA, Chivas, Dodger, and Raider territory.

We have this weird weather phenomenon out here called "June gloom", so knowing it was going to be a little chilly/breezy at the game , I took along what any Buckeye alumnus might for the conditions - my favorire Ohio State sweatshirt. I wore it the entire game, whether I was sitting at my seat in the bleachers, walking around during the games, or going out for a bite to eat between them. Let me also relate that I was approached twice for handouts on my little 2-mile grub run - the area's coming back to life with the addition of the Home Depot Center, etc., but still very sketchy even in broad daylight.

I could hear the whispers in the bleachers, see people pointing in my direction as I left or re-entered the bleachers, and watch them lower or shake their heads slightly as they approached me on the sidewalk - and then just avert their gazes and keep on walking. Maybe my physical stature makes some difference - I am 6'5" and 240 lbs. - but let me just say that I would do it again even if I were not as physically imposing.

Because here's the truth - I would rather die with Ohio State visible on my body than live without it on. I'm not a gang-banger, and I sure don't believe in dying a meaningless death for a block of "turf" or the colors on the rag hanging out of my pocket or sitting on my head. But my life as a real man began in Columbus, I met my wife - also a devoted alumnus - there, all three of our beautiful kids were born in University Hospital where we could see the 'shoe from my wife's recovery room, and therefore I will always be a Buckeye, in good times and in bad times. I am not stupid enough to pick fights over the pride that I carry for my school, I don't taunt people when we're doing well in ANY sports (except scUM fans, but only during game week), and I sure as HELL won't EVER boo anyone who's wearing either the colors or the uniforms of my beloved school. In good times or bad times.

Represent. But be classy. Take the lumps that these kids' (and to be fair, JT's) actions have brought upon us, but don't apologize for who/what you believe in.

 

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

Scott K's picture

Well said.

I think those doing the pointing or talking are just hoping that those of us who continue to wear our colors don't act classy.  True fans support their teams through the good and the bad.

Kill them with kindness.  Show your class.  Ohio State will always be bigger than 1 coach, 1 player, 1 year. 

Ohio State will survive.  (cue Rocky theme)

 

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

BornBuckeye's picture

I don't get it.  If Pryor is found to be eligibile by the NCAA beyond his five game suspension anyone saying he should be shown the door is crazy for two reasons -

1) everyone likes to preach how Tressel was a man of honor who cared about his players so much that he tried to protect them and took the heat for them which eventually cost him his job.  So by ditching (or booing) TP or any of the players you are basically crapping on the sacrafice that Tressel made for the very same players he cared so much about.

2) he gives the team (and Fickell) the best chance to win. 

Brutus's picture

I have one question for those who would consider booing TP or any of the other players involved: would you have also booed Tressel when he took the field next fall if he were still around? If not, you're a hypocrite. The extensive punishment that we are facing from the NCAA is because of JT's actions alone. We won't be getting banned from the postseason and losing scholarships because of tattoos.

In the end, I don't think it's going to come to booing. Watching the ESPNU broadcast of some of JT's best games a few days ago made me realize just how much of a healing effect the Buckeyes can have on things. We're all pissed and hurt right now, but come kickoff of the first game, all that will slowly start to subside. Not having JT on the sideline will be a painful reminder, but in the end, football will continue.

Denny's picture

I agree, but I'd say that perhaps people (not me personally, but some people in general) are willing to justify their love of Tressel and vilifying of Pryor based on each of thier previous bodies of work (Tressel won a lot, and Pryor... won a lot?). To a large extent I keep coming back to the idea that people have selective hearing and are quick to judge a 22-year old man more harshly than a 60-year old man because of whatever preconceived notions they have about the two.

I mean, people wanted to boo Pryor because he made comments in support of LeBron James before the Miami game. There's a lot of projection of 'values' and latent stupidity out there.

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

To be fair, and I hate pulling this card, but race seems to be a factor. Some of those same fans are also blinded by bigotry. Tpeezy is flashy, but has learned to be humble (for the most part) under Tress. His growth was very clear to those watching. He still has room to grow, and unless anything else comes out, he deserves our fandom and the chance to grow more as a Buckeye. I think a lot of people, including alum and football fans, are pulling for this kid to fail just so they can be right in their feelings/opinion.

JozyMozy's picture

...Humble? PRYOR? whoa. Ive been watching, and not only is that aspect of his growth not clear, I don't see it at all. Mind enlightening me as to what comes to mind when you think of Terelle Pryor showing humility? Other than posting inspirational quotes on twitter, that is. I get the sense that Tress tried to mold his star player into a more respectful, mature leader (among other things- pocket passer, etc,) and I can see that, but...humble??? 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

He gives credit to his team for his outstanding performances for one. I'm sure if I wanted to waste a nice day looking up stuff I could....I did say for the most part. You honestly don't see a difference between errrbody kills and the Rosebowl or Sugarbowl interviews??? Clearly there is one and he credited his team a lot. I'm not saying he doesnt have some room to grow or anything.

OHIOinME's picture

From where he came from to where he is.  I see growth.  I see more growth needed or Potential for us positive onlookers.  In anycase, he has improved.  He has admitted he need more growth too.  I think that is respectable.  Where his heart truely lies, I don't know but neither do you.

Irricoir's picture

I don't think it is race at all. Don't be one of those guys.... There may be a few out there that have bias but I am pretty sure the majority arent thinking of that when deciding whether they are for or against Pryor. I think it has more to do with Jim Tressel making one known mistake (A doozy) and TP making numerous questionable decisions over the course of three years. Eventualy there comes a time when the shit gets old and you have to say dude, I am done with you. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt so many times but I am tired of coming up with excuses. I hope they don't play TP but if they do, I will pull for him, for the sake of the team. On field performance isn't the only thing that matters to me.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Scott K's picture

And this is what set Tressel apart from most other coaches: he NEVER quit on his players, even when logic screamed to do so.  Ever.  See Maurice C.

That's what makes/made him special.  It was also his undoing.  He cares too much about the boys/men he was charged to look after. It's a noble, but tragic "flaw".  But a "flaw" IMO that I would hope any future coach would also contain.

On field performance wasn't the only thing that mattered to him either...

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

First off, I'm not one of those guys. Secondly most people who are bigots don't have to think about it. Just from a few conversations at the local watering holes I can tell you that there are in fact those who are against TP because of his race. Just because you have been on the side against TP doesn't mean I'm lumping you into that group. I was against TPs comments and behaviors too that didn't make me a rasict. I did notice his growth and effort to better himself, at least when he was infront of a camera. You noticed a change too if I recall correctly. I believe you complimented his after game interview after the Sugar Bowl.

Irricoir's picture

Yeah I have seen possitive growth out of him but he often leaves me wondering if he is just saying the popular phrases and feining maturity. He consistently takes one step forward and two steps back. That leaves folks pointing at "Look at that great thing he did. Is that not evidence of maturity?" Then you have those in a second breath saying yeah, look at this thing he did that makes me think he was coached into saying it." I don't think asking him to follow the rules and be a great representitive of the team off the field is too much to ask. 80 percent or better of the other players do it. Why shouldn't he? Yeah, ISSY, i know you aren't one of those guys. I respect your comments and thoughts. I just tire of the race issue. A mans character has no color.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I know, I hated pulling the race card and probably wouldn't have if I didn't run into conversations that influenced me writing anything about it.  I agree that he is very inconsistent with his behaviors but I am pulling for him now more than ever.   I don't want them to find anything else, on anyone, and Tress's resignation will be on the media, the people who bought into the media, and the Buckeye fans who bought into the media.  That might be selfish, but it is what I am rooting for.  I know Tress lied, I know he signed a document saying he didn't know anything, but I have turned my head in a leadership position and dished out my own NJP on the offenders.  Tress took chances on kids that needed someone to take a chance on them.  Imagine if TP didn't have the leaders coaching him to say the right things?  Imagine how that would have turned out?  How he would have turned out?  I know I had quite a few Marines straighten me out and help me grown.  I was very critical of TP and those that defended him, and I still almost feel that way.  He has shown he has some character issues but IMO he deserves the chance to grow as a Buckeye.  A chance to prove my initial feelings about him wrong, a chance to prove you wrong (no offense) a chance to prove the media and all the Buckeyes who want him gone wrong.  This is his senior year.  A moment he will never get again.  His chance to shock the world?

I think he's earned it.  His last issue was the Herbie conflict, right?  He handled himself, for the most part, very well last year, right?  I could be forgetting about something?  

Now, if more skeletons are found and there is some actual proof of more wrong doing, then he shouldn't get his chance. 

Denny's picture

'Now, if more skeletons are found and there is some actual proof of more wrong doing, then he shouldn't get his chance.'

Yes, this so much. Going back to the pre-conceived notions thing though, how much 'actual proof' is needed will vary for different people. Smoke/fire, etc., I know, but for me there's a very clear difference between evidence and proof and the reality of it all is that it takes time to go from evidence to proof.

Others are pretty quick to jump to conclusions (especially pundit-types in the media), and whether the conclusions are right or not they'll continue to do so.

Taquitos.

burkmon's picture

I have always said booing a high school or college player is unfair and childish.  Especially booing someone on your home team.  It is not like they are in the pros making the bucks.  At that point, boo on.  As mom always said, "If you have nothing nice to say, it is best to say nothing at all..."

 

JozyMozy's picture

Agreed. Terelle Pryor is, at the end of the day, a 21 year old college senior who -shockingly- sometimes makes silly comments and unwise descisions. With what we know- I repeat, KNOW- there is no need to ostracize him over "new allegations" consisting of his attitude and a handful of traffic violations. Forgive him for not having the granite resolve and sparkling conscience of your average website commenter/Lantern reporter. 

buckeyedude's picture

I agree. Save the booing for the zebras.

 

 

USAFBuckeyefan's picture

Have to agree with everyone who is saying that fans should not boo a college player, but I dont think your point is going to get through.  The same people who would boo a college athlete would probably portest a little league game based off a precieved bad call from an umpire.  

OHIOinME's picture

I was thinking the same thing.  Protest, get in a fight and bet on a little league game. 

nickma71's picture

Pryor not showing up to work outs and other things? I suppose you miss something one and it is all the time for their perception. Having not been a big Pryor fan since the get go, I think he has improved a ton in his 3 seasons. He didn't get better by not working. Who is the idiot that told Spielman he doesn't go to meetings and workouts.?

nick_ferguson58's picture

What if Fickell, as the new Head Coach, decides that even with no new transgressions ALL of the players suspended will sit for the entire year.  It would be an extremely unpopular move and I'm not going to say that were I in his position I would do it(there are a lot of outside factors we can only imagine), but from a fundamental and moral standpoint, I believe it would be justified.  One, it would set a precedent to other players that says, "don't be a dumbass".  IMO, there should be second chances for mistakes involviing a momentary lapse of judgement. Having a premeditated plan to sell your stuff when you KNOW it is against the rules is not a momentary lack of judgement however and I feel he would be well within his rights to suspend them.  It would force the kids to be accountable and COULD (probably too late at this point but...) help make the NCAA go a little easier.  

 

Basically my opinion is this.  The kids should be able to do whatever they want with THEIR stuff. The NCAA is the most hypocrytical organization in America and a lot of their rules are just archaic.  However, the rule is what it is and they have to follow it because they are responsible adults.  They are not KIDS as so many people say.  They are young adults.  I am a young adult and if I mess up I suffer consequences.  And if those consequences are sufficient, I don't mess up again.  They broke the rules.  Give them the boot.  That is my opinion.

 

 "Good luck with your life, but I can't have you around me dragging me down.  PEACE"  That is my attitude to people who bring negativity around me and that would be how I treated the program if I were coach.

Nick

741's picture

No love for the Tressel walk today?

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Bout 150 or so. Sang we don't give a damn and Tress sd we'd kick their ass....he's still talking to fans and we had a hail storm.

Bucks's picture

Around 1400 confirmed, around 200 total showed up (some of this may be due to the organizers stating it might be delayed due to band & not formally messaging everyone again afterwards that it would indeed happen tonight.

 

Jim came out, shook hands, had some convos & took pictures with the people there. For those that didn't come out of confusion, very sorry.

741's picture

Should have mobilized the 11W cadre.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

1400? That's better than what I was hearing.

Bucks's picture

Well... all you have to do is go to the facebook page that was responsible. Kinda clear numbers there. Had the organizers not gone back & forth twice on announcements/delay, then messaged everyone firmly it would happen, I'm sure it wouldn't be unreasonable to see around 1k there.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

The more the better! I heard people saying only 150 or so but it was just talk.

Bucks's picture

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=176454242412234

Nice seeing some of the pictures popping up with JT. Sat, that was around the final turn out. For those that didn't go to the page at all, first is was happening, then it was happening with the band possibly, then welllllll we might wait for the band so stay tuned, then Jim may not be there due to being out of town, then finally we are doing this as originally scheduled.

 

That last part though wasn't messaged out to everyone I don't believe as I've seen some comments saying "I thought we were waiting!!!" Unfortunate but still, good time.

Bucks's picture

Just to give last follow-up:

Espn on the gathering:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6626390

Hoody Wayes's picture

To me, Tressel wasn't quite the same after 41-14. I wonder if that shelling on the field, instigated a breakdown. His losses to big-time, non-conference foes, all seemed unnecessarily grotesque (like the game against the Trojans, in the Coliseum) or, simply, unnecessary (like the heartbreakers against USC and TX). How many times - on this blog - have we agonized over his in-game decision-making? That televised inertia, strikes me as akin to Tressel's e-mail fiasco...a character trait exhibited on and off the field.

Spencer Hall makes some fair observations in his article "Exit Jim Tressel: The Death Of A Football Mortician":

It started with the 2006 BCS Championship Game, a 41-14 debacle that had even Florida fans aghast at the carnage. It continued in the 2007 BCS Championship Game against LSU, a game where Tressel's team was outsmarted and outplayed by a Les Miles team. (This sentence is its own indictment, but Tressel's not alone in being on the Mad Hatter's wall of poorly taxidermed trophies. Far from it.) The Buckeyes made it an offical trend in a heartbreaking 24-21 loss to Texas in the Fiesta Bowl to end the 2008-09 season.

 

Over time, the unfair reputation of Tressel as an uninventive local bully emerged, a coach whose teams could dominate the Big Ten with the sheer weight of talent but who struggled when put on equal footing with the Florida, Texas, and USCs of the world. The low point for this meme may have come in 2009 with the 18-15 loss to USC in Columbus, a game where Ohio State held a 15-10 lead over a rebuilding Trojans squad in the third quarter and then frittered away the fourth quarter and lost to a team starting a freshman quarterback on the road in one of college football's most forbidding environment. I was in Columbus that night, and people who were high on cocaine were depressed watching this game. That is the new and authoritative definition of sadness itself.* (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/5/31/2198824/jim-tressel-care...)

Kurt's picture

College football changed a lot during his tenure. I think he fell behind in schemes in the mid 2000s. Yes, the first clear sign of this was 2006 title game. Florida was not more talented, they had far superior offensive and defensive schemes. Our coaches got completely schooled. I think we had all the talent to pretty much steamroll the B10, but 1 or 2 games a year where coaching mattered we lost. I maintain that its because he fell behind in offensive schemes, he wouldn't bring in someone with fresh ideas.

hallow74's picture

Hey, I'm a fellow Buckeye living in Oklahoma City (wife from there).  Believe it or not, Sooner nation is mostly supportive of us (thanks Barry Switzer for breaking NCAA rules long before they were enforced!) so it hasn't been that bad catching hell over here in OKC.  I could give a damn about the Sooners, but they've been damn nice through this media storm.  Unlike the SEC pigs.  Anyway, most of you don't know me from adam but I'm a lifelong Buckeye (from Eaton, OH) and like all of you, I've been bummed for awhile now.  The following link is a song from a badass guitarist.  All we gotta do is survive the haters.  GO BUCKS! 

http://www.myspace.com/bradgillis/music/songs/survive-51200942

spqr2008's picture

It won't matter what our fans do. 

To tne national media, any opportunity to be biased against Ohio State is going to be taken.  That said, being classy is a better way to go from a personal standpoint, although it would feel good to vent temporarily, it is far better to forgive and move on.

GoBlu's picture

Defending Pryor and Tressel being "family" is like Casey Anthony's parents covering for her...

Get rid of them, take your licks and reload in 4-5 years.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Yeah, that's exactly what its like! Way to be rational there and not blow things out of proportion!

I defened you to my 11W brethren because you seemed to be a rational, civil poster. But this comment reeks of troll.

NW Buckeye's picture

See what happens when you try to be nice to a troll?  

GoBlu's picture

Listen, that comment was in response to others that are totally in denial...

Fact is, college football as a whole is totally screwed up. High school seniors and some juniors holding press conferences, the whole BCS, boosters paying family members off(yeah auburn, you f***g cheats), coaches bending/breaking rules, and the NCAA's uneven penalty structure. It's our faults and nobody else's for the win at any cost mentality and allowing the greed to poison college football and it's traditions.

As much as I dislike OSU, I'm really hating the SEC and it's culture of cheating. This Tressel era, rich rod era has done nothing but put the big ten backwards, but the bigger shame is that in order to win... you almost have to turn a blind eye to these shenanigans.

Nappy's picture

In 4-5 years, you still wont have beaten us since 2003.  Worry about your own because last I checked your defense is a joke.  

Fan of bacon since 1981

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Why do you think that weasel fans keep lobbying for TP to be dismissed from the team.  because if he's under center on 11/27, that number will go north of 3,000.  And they are terrified of that.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Nappy's picture

TP or no TP, those clowns are no where close to competing with us on the field.  

Fan of bacon since 1981

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Bauserman could be the great equalizer there.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Scott K's picture

4-5 years....?

Now that's funny!  Keep dreamin blue boy

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

GoBlu's picture

How do you expect to compete with a 1-2 year bowl ban and 30 scholarship losses and Michigan picking up Mattison as DC and Nebraska entering the Big 10?   Ego is one thing, but lets be realistic here in the face of NCAA punishment.

Blue Chip players want championships and post season play and OSU cannot offer that if the NCAA sanctions mimic USC's.   It's obvious that Michigan and OSU are headed it opposite directions so the 4-5 year comment is certainly in line with whats going on. 

I'm certainly not trying to bash you, in fact, I hope you guys get back to the same level.  I'd rather have the Big 10 strong vs the SEC(I HATE THE SEC) than see 1 or 2 schools utterly dominate a percieved weaker conference.

Irricoir's picture

I don't discount anything you say except one point. How do you know we are going in two opposite directions? There is no evidence other than recruiting, that Michigan is on it's way up. I agree that the hiring appears to be smart and well thought out. I agree that you guys are recruiting defensive players better than ever, since RR is gone. I have yet to see product one on the field.

Similarly, we lost our coach and we don't have 5 starters for the first 5 games. We haven't seen what our new coach is capable of as head coach and we haven't seen what the young blood will do when finally able to bare teeth. Get back with me on the direction of our programs midseason. (Berry, with the defense knowing we would run the ball to milk the clock averaged 8.1+ yards per carry last year behind Boom.)

I don't know what our punishment will be. The more this goes on the more confusion there is about what happened and what didn't happen. The facts as they stand don't seem to imply that we will get USC type sanctions. Who knows what other accusations may fly. A Witch Hunt is the perfect analogy for what is happening now. 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I loved the idea of just benching Pryor, especially if there is going to be a bowl ban anyway.  After several days of thinking it over though, I think Pryor should start whatever games he is elligible for......at wide receiver.  The team is thin at WR, everyone says Braxton is a better passer anyway, and let's face it, there is no way TP is an NFL QB.  That way, we can usher in a new era and let Braxton take his lumps, and utilize the unbelieveable talent that TP has. 

Also, if they do decide to shelf TP, it may actually minimize the sanction side of things.  Our 2 biggest culprits in this scandal, TP and Tress.  The two most important parts of the team, QB and head coach, will be gone.  Those are pretty severe penalties.

Doc's picture

I understand TP is "just a kid" and we should be more understanding, blah blah blah.  He is a freak of nature athletically.  Our best chances of winning are with him in the game.  BUT, he is a lightening rod of controversy.  There are tweets that show a division in the locker room, that isn't going to help the win total.  Pryor needs to be cut loose.  They can use the "Team Rules" excuse and then no one will be the wiser.  Fickell has an up hill battle this year anyway, he doesn't need Terrelle dividing the team and causing a distraction.  Letting him sit out his 5 games and then getting the starting QB job in game 6 will be a slap in the face to everybody else.  Especially since it was his actions, amongst others, that were the reason for Tressel getting shit canned.

"Say my name."

Irricoir's picture

I agree with this whole heartedly. People on the outside look at the tangible things.

1) Pryor knows the offense. His teammates are pretty good at figuring out what he will do in certain situations and can react based on familiarity.

2) Pryor is a freak athelete and gives us someone proven in the backfield.

3) 30something-4 w/l

 While all of those do indeed point to a sure bet, it really isn't in my mind. There is a division in the locker room. I have said all along that you can go further with team unity than you can with it fractured. It is the intangibles that will make or break this season.

The pryor topic makes me so...

 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

AJ's picture

im going to say this, and you can do with it what you want but our offense is not that compliacted.  One of the big knocks on pryor is that he isnt football smart he isnt able to read defenses and make the right reads so IMHO i think any of the backups can learn the offense.  Now succesfully running those plays is another story.

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Kurt's picture

It's not that Pryor isn't football smart, he's just not going to read a defense and throw a ball like Peyton Manning.  But that's what Tress/Bolls offense wants him to do (or what TP came to us wanting to learn to do).  All offenses require the qb to make reads, some are just easier than others, ours isn't one of the easier ones.