Monday Skull Session

By Jason Priestas on June 20, 2011 at 6:00a
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Luke Fickell was able to hold on to all but one member of OSU's 2011 class.BOOM! FICKELL LEVEE

48 years ago today, a "red telephone" established a link between the White House and the Kremlin after the events of the Cuban Missile Crisis had sufficiently spooked the leaders of the two countries. They had hoped the hotline would help the two powers avoid mutually assured destruction and it did.

Luke Fickell managed to navigate his own crisis lately when all but one of the 23 members of Jim Tressel's final class managed to make their way to Columbus for the start of summer quarter and the quickly approaching fall camp.

Pennsylvania linebacker Ejuan Price, Scout's #14 middle linebacker, sought and received his release Friday and will likely sign with Pitt. Given what's transpired over the last 90 days, it's a minor miracle that Price was the only defection in this class, so Fickell has clearly passed his first major test.

Spirits appear to be high for the unflinching 22, but don't take our word for it. Here's Akron SVSM cornerback Doran Grant after the Big 33 Classic Saturday night (not long after a 101 yard pick-six):

"I noticed that right before I came here – I was like, 'Wow, I feel like I’m in a movie.' It really doesn’t feel real. I’m really about to leave to go to college like in the movies. But I’m used to it now. It’s going to happen. I have to do my thing."

Just like in the movies.

Doran, I've thought long and hard about this. Your Delta Tau Chi name is... Pounder.

Assume the worst and everything is a bonus. The 2012 class took another hit when Canton McKinley defensive end Se'Von Pittman committed to Michigan State yesterday. Long thought to be a future Buckeye, Rivals' #8 defensive end opted for the stability of Dantonio and the Spartans over the uncertainty in Columbus.

Pittman is considered by some to be the best defensive lineman in the state, so the loss is a big one. Taken by itself, the Buckeyes could overcome hits like this, but Pittman's departure is part of a troubling pattern on the recruiting front. Mentor defensive end Tom Stroble pledged to Michigan 10 days ago and just last week, four-star offensive tackle Kyle Dodson committed to Wisconsin, a day after receiving his OSU offer.

What makes all of this particularly painful is that the 2012 Ohio class is exceptionally loaded (particularly on the defensive line) and we're just not used to seeing Ohio kids with Ohio State offers going elsewhere. Unfortunately, there will be a few more of these to stomach as we move closer to February.

Happy birthday TP. Terrelle Pryor turns 22 today and as far as birthday gifts go, the rumored 5.1 he received from National Football Scouting isn't exactly the best of birthday presents.

The shadowy organization/league partner assigns players scores on a scale of 1.0 to 9.0. A 7.0 typically maps to a first-round selection and anything over 6.0 is thought to be a top 75 player. Pryor's 5.1 places him somewhere in the sixth or seventh rounds, but this is the supplemental draft we're talking about, so the Raiders burning a first round pick on the quarterback is still a possibility.

DOHRMANN'D. George Dorhmann's Memorial Day surprise included the names of nine current Buckeyes accused of trading memorabilia for money or tattoos. Since then, we've seen a flurry of the accused, mostly via their parents, fighting back.

Johnny Simon's father spoke out, saying the allegation was false, quickly followed by threats to lawyer-up out of Storm Klein's father, Jason, pointing out that his son doesn't even have tattoos. Now, Zach Domicone and C.J. Barnett's people are disputing the assertions. Fred Domicone, father of Zach, said the following to the Dayton Daily News:

"It is not true. You can’t say it any simpler than that."

Collin Abels, Barnett's defensive coordinator at Northmont went on to say that the safety had receipts for all of his tattoos.

This meshes with what we've been hearing in that the accused have organized memorabilia and receipts in an attempt to fight back and clear their names.

If they are ultimately cleared, Dohrmann's victory lap after Tressel's resignation will be all the more absurd.

Random Bits: BCS executive director Bill Hancock will go before the DOJ on Tuesday. This is getting interesting... Brian Bobek fluff... Coaches skydiving: Ron English, Dana Holgorsen... The dream microwave... Epic Tree is epic... Lost in translation.

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Irricoir's picture

I wish we could stem these big named kids from leaving OSU. I know it is to be expected but it pains me to see us falling from grace. I don't care about the way outsiders view us as much as I care about the athletes in state.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Denny's picture

I don't think this is a fall from grace, per se — it's expecting a lot for high school kids to commit to an uncertain future. It sucks to see happen, and once there's a permanent coaching situation I would hope that it will get better, but right now we've got to temper expectations. It's not like there isn't a pantsload of talent already on the team.

Also there is a typo in your signature and it's been there for weeks.

Taquitos.

Matt's picture

OMG I KNOW RIGHT I DIDNT WANT TO BE THAT GUY TO POINT THAT OUT BUT OBVI YOU HAD NO PROBLEM BEING THAT GUY

Irricoir's picture

Thanks, you are right.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

GoBucks713's picture

IRR- you should have made the "V" capitol just so everyone noticed it was fixed. V for Victory over wolVerine scum. Maybe the boys in the 11W crime lab can add that to the lingo page? HUH? ANYONE??

-The Aristocrats!

btalbert25's picture

One of the biggest keys to Ohio State's great recruiting in the Tressel years was the programs stability.  Kids knew nothing was changing at Ohio State.  The team won, guys got to the NFL, and the program was rock solid.  That was a recipe for recruiting success.  Right now there is nothing certain about this team and it's future and it is going to scare kids away. 

Another thing to take into account here is that we are VERY early in the recruiting season.  Some of these kids were life long Buckeye fans.  I wouldn't be totally surprised if, after rulings come down in August, some of these kids aren't so committed to Michigan State, Wisconsin, or Michigan.  We'll see, but I don't think these kids are neccessarily lost yet.  We'll see. 

 

William's picture

I think Dodson is certainly lost to Wisconsin, it sounded like he truly fell in love with that program. Pittman I doubt will stay committed to MSU. Fickell needs to ensure that Dunn remains committed. Hopefully this doesn't steer away Washington, Stanford, or Odenigbo.

3 Yards And A Cloud of Dust's picture

This might be worthy of a 11W t-shrt contest to suggest the best mascot. 

Pizza delivery guy?  A drum..since they get beat so..well, you get the idea. 

O-H!

Michigan AD shows interest in creating school mascot

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-06-20/michigan-ad-shows-interest-in-creating-school-mascot

biggy84's picture

It's funny to me that committing to a coach with heart problems is considered more stable. I think too many recruits are watching espn and believing all the doom and gloom forecasts.

btalbert25's picture

I don't think we can really blame ESPN for this.  You have an interim coach, no knowledge of what kind of sanctions the team is going to get, and your hopes rest on a Bauserman, Guiton, or Braxton Miller.  They are all unknown quantities.  There is a huge cloud of uncertainty above this program right now. 

Denny's picture

You must not have your 'Blame ESPN' flow chart handy at all times, BTalbertTwentyFive.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

lol, it's a space chart. 

Anything Negative Happens to Ohiio State =====> ESPN IS THE DEVIL

biggy84's picture

Espn is the leader in sports journalism. They most certainly can influence public perception. They can also show a bias towards certain programs. They have a vested interest in certain conferences. They have turned into a sensationalized platform that convicts before due process is given. I think Duke fans can give some insight into this.

GoBucks713's picture

To the chagrin of Mr. McMahon, ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports entertainment. I would hardly call what they do journalism. Except for maybe E60. OTL is just another way to dramatisize their agenda. Look at their new Texas channel. Dodgeball had it right when they had ESPN the Ocho.

-The Aristocrats!

biggy84's picture

Not to mention the 2.25 billion dollars invested in the sec. How many people know that lsu is being investigated for their involvement with a street agent/recruiting service? How many otl's have they done on the four former players who claimed they got payola from Auburn?

 

btalbert25's picture

You do realize with those other stories there have been no formal charges from the NCAA.  No information has been proven yet.  Like it or not, Ohio State got caught and it was a big story.  So far, there are no smoking guns against Auburn or LSU.  If proof is discovered, no doubt they'll go down in a blaze of glory. 

ESPN has a relationship with the Big 10 as well.  They have a vested interest in Ohio State's being on their network.  It gets ratings.  More than half of Ohio State's games are on an ESPN network. 

Plus, as long as their team is allowed to be on TV, college football fans are going to watch.  It makes no difference if they are in trouble or not.  Do you think a bowl ban and sanctions are going to make Ohio State fans quit watching?  Absolutely not. 

Until another team actually gets caught.  Whether it's a street agent paying kids, the school recruiting illegally, or a coach hiding info, playing inelligible players, and then lying about it, we won't hear about any one else's trouble.  Just rumors are not enough.  There's no conspiracy against Ohio State, despite whatever paranoia fans have to the contrary.

biggy84's picture

I would think that a HBO story would warrant an interest into Auburn and LSU. You can feel free to dismiss anyone with a countering opinion as paranoid, but you don't know if there is a bias or not.

btalbert25's picture

Weren't the Auburn players interviewed Ray Small types?  Guys who were always in trouble and possibly kicked off the team?   It's not to say they haven't cheated or that an investigation isn't ongoing, but until there is hard evidence that shows, this guy got paid by this guy on behalf of this school.  Or this coach lied about knowing this information and here's the proof, you aren't going to see ESPN stories about it.  If there's a scandal, it's going to get covered.  ESPN covered Bruce Pearl and Tennessee basketball quite a bit.  They talked about it a lot.  That's an SEC school with a scandal that was proven.  They are talking about UK celebrating Calipari's 300th win and the NCAA not being happy about it. 

I have seen where they have gone after other programs and I'm willing to admit it I guess. I don't know I just think that there's no grand plot to bring down the Buckeyes over at ESPN.

William's picture

I agree there is no plot to overthrow OSU at ESPN, to suggest that an entity like ESPN is so vehemently opposed to anything Buckeye is absurd. Although it does seem like many analysts on ESPN are more likely to speak out against OSU in comparison to any other college team. I still have yet to find a viable reason for why this OSU scandal has been so heavily covered in comparison to the Auburn players who attempted to rob a trailer park. To me attempting to rob people with firearms is a far greater evil than lying to a collegiate athletic institution like the NCAA.

btalbert25's picture

I totally agree with that.  Any crime that players commit is a bigger story than NCAA infractions, but I don't think they ever get covered that much.  Whether it's a DUI by Dough Worthington or Massoli stealing computers or whatever he did, ESPN really doesn't give that stuff much publicity.  I think it's ridiculous too!

On the flips side, when Reynolds was choking the Wisconsin player on TV, I don't think it got as much coverage as the Florida guy(Spikes?) gouging the eyes out on an opposing player.  I don't doubt ESPN has come down harder on Ohio State than they did with the Cam Newton ordeal, but in all fairness Cam Newton was all he said she said stuff.  There was not hard evidence that proved it.  That's my opinion anyway. 

William's picture

The Reynolds' Choking ordeal was quite ugly, and I think that it got as much publicity as the Spikes' eye gouge. The Newton deal was a lot of he said she said, and there has yet to be any evidence discovered so far, but I seriously doubt that something didn't take place between Cecil Newton and Auburn. But seriously when will we as a society stop getting so hung up on NCAA violations, which do not break any laws, and pay more attention to actual crimes and illegal activities?

biggy84's picture

Didn't espn research Ray Small? Wasn't that plastered all over their site? Ray is one person, the auburn story had 4. Jason Whitlock, Deadspin and others have written about espn's bias.

I am simply stating that espn has a very large investment in the sec and seems to protect them. Watch and see how Texas is handled with kid gloves now. Espn wanted the whole pie of the B1G and got a sliver. Check their reasoning behind their recent purchase of the Pac10.

TKOSU24's picture

Well, after checking Dohrmann's twitter page, and who he's "following" , I'm not surprised, and it speak volumes about the kind of guy I thought he was. Nothing but a "getcha" (hackjob) journalist, in the same bloviated class of Barry Obama (Nobel Prize...really? for WHAT?)....Al Gore (Nobel Prize for pushing his hoax down everyone's throat), and Dohrmann himself won a Pulizter (which officially gives the Pulizer Prize zero credibility).

He follows: left-wing economist Paul Krugman of the NY Times, actor Alec Baldwin, big-headed Pat Forde from ESPN, and the re-elect Barack Obama 2012 campaign. For me, as if I needed more reasons to despise this guy, it's obvious he has poor judgment for one thing.

But, now, I'm starting to wonder if there was something more to his recycled hit job on OSU...perhaps he could never stand Jim Tressel and his success because Tressel is a Christian conservative; and Dohrmann is a liberal elitist hackjob, they usually sink to whatever depths to bring down their opponents. I've always thought that this was more than just football --- part of it was about bringing down the kind of people in "flyover country" that these journalist snob types despise.

William's picture

Pretty sure that the fact the Tressel was a Christian conservative, or the fact that Dohrmann himself may be liberal has little to do with why he wrote the piece. It's pretty simple really, OSU is the largest athletic department in the nation, and when you have a scandal, anything printed about it will sell. There was no motive of Dohrmann's to oust Tressel because of his political or religious affiliations. This is a great blog that covers OSU better than any other site on the web, and it has managed to avoid arguments over religion and politics, so lets try and keep it that way. Tressel did wrong, it was a scandal, and anything printed about it will sell, its that simple.

TKOSU24's picture

may be, but my gut tells me there's something more. And, you KNOW Dohrmann just is doing cartwheels and patting himself on the back.

I didn't say it was about politics or religion, but I STRONGLY BELIEVE, depsite what anyone will say, that this is part of it --- the kind of person Tressel is. It may explain the SELECTIVE reporting by some in the mainstream sports media (not any different than the political media), who SELECTIVELY go after certain people more than others.

William's picture

Dohrmann is a tool, in my view. After I read that SI piece I did wonder how he ever won a Pulitzer Prize, but his motivation was more likely powered by dollar signs not that he had the opportunity to sully Tressel's character.

TKOSU24's picture

agreed ---- he is a tool for sure, just his picture alone says tool

biggy84's picture

The nature of his story was intentionally a personal attack. Why else would he draw a conclusion as to Coach Tressel's character? The man is supposed to be a reporter not a speculator. There is a huge difference between Walter Cronkite and Rush Limbaugh.

TKOSU24's picture

"There was no motive of Dohrmann's to oust Tressel because of his political or religious affiliations"

 

I disgree with you 100%.

William's picture

We'll have to agree to disagree here.

TKOSU24's picture

agree to disagree.

Im not saying that that was the main motive at all...Im just saying at the very least --- he's getting some satisfaction out of this because of not just sports reasons.

 

NW Buckeye's picture

Interesting take on Dohrmann.  I must say that I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, but there are some signs of shenanigans going on here.  First of all it does not surprise me that he follows some liberals out there, but that is no indication of direction on one story.  It can speak to the overall context of his works, but that really is about it.  As for the conservative Christian part - Tressel made himself an easy target in all of this - there is overwhelming desire on the part of many to discredit anyone who appears to preach high values.  And, yes, Dohrmann probably did go out of his way to discredit someone who lived their life as Tressel did. 

Also, consider this: There have been numerous reports of past players being contacted by SI  and asked to chime in on the negatives about the Tressel years.  When they could not turn up anything there they turned to suspected associates of team members.  It just seems they did an awful lot of digging to pull out the negatives for the story and completely ignored anyone who refuted any allegations or had anything good to say.  And, they did no research what so ever to find out if any of the allegations their anonymous sources and they were making about current players were verifiable.  Most major periodicals usually bend over backwards to thoroughly research any allegations made.  This does not seem to be the case in this instance as many of the parents of the additional accused players are coming out and proving the allegations to be false (the players themselves have been silenced by OSU and the NCAA.) 

So there could be something to your suspicions.  It also could just be the appeal of the almighty dollar for SI.  Or maybe it was their attempt to publish anything negative to make sure it looked like they were doing their part and prove they did not get scooped by the Yahoo's of the world.

 

biggy84's picture

Check out the guy's Twitter. He was openly boasting about being the man who brought him down. He came here with an agenda of finding anything wrong instead of finding if there was anything at all.

Denny's picture

The notion of Dohrmann's piece being a smear campaign is a pretty commonly held opinion around here. The tin-foil-hat LIBERAL HEATHEN OUT TO GET SAINT TRESSEL shit, however, is over-the-top.

Taquitos.

NW Buckeye's picture

I agree with you that there was no "liberal heathen" agenda to do Tressel in (I think I stated that indirectly in my post).  However, I know plenty of people in just the Columbus media community (many not classified as liberal) who were kind of turned off by the "clean living" image portrayed by Tressel.  Don't get me wrong, I liked Tressel, but when he was caught in a lie the "clean living" image made him an easy target for any critic, liberal or conservative - that is really the point I was trying to make.  And, that had to play into the cascade of talking heads attacking him.  For someone like Dohrmann, that was easy pickin's.  What I find most amusing about the SI piece is that if they held themselves to the same standards they expected Tressel to adhere to most of that article would have ended up in the trash. 

I know that this has been hashed and rehashed many times here, but any chance I get to slam SI about their "Pulitzer" winning schlep will be taken. 

TKOSU24's picture

true true ....  I just think a lot of these guys from ESPN, and Dohrmann were really salivating and foaming-at-the-mouth because it's somebody with Tressel's clean image.

And, Pat Forde, Mark May, Mark Schlabath, etc.   I don't see the same attacking tenacity when they covered say the Auburn Cam Newton issue, or USC, or Florida State --- those are all big programs, too.

ESPN has basically devoted College Football Live programs, in their entirety to the OSU scandals; if nothing else --- it's unbalanced reporting, and not consistent with other schools, who have done much much much worse than having players who got discounts on tats.

Dohrmann deserves a Pulitzer like (too far).

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

"Dohrmann deserves a Pulitzer like (deleted by moderator)."

Too far, my friend.

Denny's picture

'ESPN has basically devoted College Football Live programs, in their entirety to the OSU scandals; if nothing else --- it's unbalanced reporting, and not consistent with other schools, who have done much much much worse than having players who got discounts on tats.'

There is nothing else 'Live' in college football going on right now. Oregon document dump, maybe - but that's not really in the news yet. There has been no story anywhere near this big in college football in the past few months. With the NFL being locked out and nothing going on there, there's less to fill the news cycle with.

Taquitos.

biggy84's picture

UNC's story was pretty big. Auburn and the 4 players alleging payment too.

biggy84's picture

I find it amusing that the big sources for his entire assertions were 2 guys with very shady pasts. PulitzerPrize winner bases an entire story on those two?

As for Tressel, what did he really do that was so sinister? He handled things internally. If my gf is driving 5 miles over the speed limit, should i call the police? In every day life i probably break someone's rules if not minor laws and i don't run to the authorities. Hell, jaywalking is illegal and i'm not going to turn in myself.

Denny's picture

'Don't get me wrong, I liked Tressel, but when he was caught in a lie the "clean living" image made him an easy target for any critic, liberal or conservative - that is really the point I was trying to make.  And, that had to play into the cascade of talking heads attacking him.'

Absolutely — hypocrisy deserves scrutiny. I was in no way disagreeing with your comment, just adding my personal addendum to it. If Tressel's father were a rabbi, or he was a very involved Buddhist, he'd be just as guilty. It has nothing to do with Christianity and conservatism and everything to do with projected morality, regardless of what type of morality it is.

Taquitos.

Kurt's picture

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020473180457438695231123953...

According to studies almost all coaches are conservatives.  So to think that Tressel was treated any differently than any other random coach who committed the same infractions would have been treated differently is probably not accurate.

Denny's picture

Clearly you have gotten to the bottom of this all thank you God Bless!!11!11

Taquitos.

TKOSU24's picture

you're welcome....enjoy your ESPN viewing

biggy84's picture

I don't think he has a political agenda.

btalbert25's picture

A guy can win a Pulitzer Prize for one article because it was really good, but crank out a bunch of turds the rest of his career before and after.  Just like a coach can win a title but be a moron like Les Miles or Tubby Smith.  The SI piece was mostly shady source and bits and pieces of stories that have been told for years.  The one thing about that article is, the rumors in it have been talked about repeatedly for years.  I heard a pro Ohio State guy, on the radio say that being around college football for year, Jim Tressel has been labelled as a known liar. There isn't that much smoke around a person without some fire.  There are a lot of coaches out there we would classify as slimeballs on here, that have never been caught lying to the NCAA. 

There's no denying the good he's done off the field and how well he's mentored kids.  I do feel that some of this stuff has legs.  That maybe, just maybe Jim Tressel has played the game as well as any other coach out there.  I'm not calling him a bad man, I'm just saying there's no doubt in my mind he was a dirty coach.  People will disagree with that and that's fine. 

To suggest there is a political conspiracy to tear down a conservative coach is a bit absurd.  I also don't think you can really judge a person based on who they follow on Twitter, but that's just me.  If you can tell the value of a man based on that, more power to you.  I just ask that we save the political conspiracy theories to the paranoid types who pump them out on cable news networks.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

I don't think it's too absurd, but, rather, agree that (partly) this very well could have been some motive.

You're foolish to think Dohrmann and his ilk aren't satisfied that they think they helped to bring down one of the other side, that's how liberals operate---they're rats.  Don't think it's a paranoid political conspiracy theory, but, it makes a lot of sense.

The bottom line is lying to the ncaa or not, (lies of omission, btw), this wasn't the big deal the media is blowing it up to be. Other programs have done far far worse.

There was not academic cheating (Florida State), or pimping kids out for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

You're right --- people wil agree with you on your assertion that "There is no doubt Jim Tressel is a dirty coach"...I disagree. Compared to others, he's probably a saint.

Your proof is "some former OSU pro" says he's labeled like that...hmmm...kind of a weak source. Dohrmann-esque.

 

btalbert25's picture

I was using source to just show that it's true that for 30 years there have been stories about Jim Tressel not being so squeaky clean.  So, maybe for 30 years there has been a liberal conspiracy against him, or maybe, just maybe he was dirty from time to time. 

You throw around the term Liberal like some throw around pejorative terms and stereotypes of other groups.  Throw around some slurs, characterize them all as if they are exactly the same, and say Liberal.  Your attitude is no different than those who throw around the N word about black people or harrass homosexuals for their lifestyle.  Perhaps those other slurs are in your vocab too.  

This is a topic that should largely be avoided on a sports site anyway, but most of the time we can all be civil.  Talking with so much hate about a group that may comprise 1/2 of the posters on this site is not acceptable though.

Pam's picture

I am curious why you assume that everyone here is a conservative. Calling liberals "rats" in such a casual way makes me think that you didn't stop to consider that you might be offending somone. 

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

I don't assume everyone here is a conservative. In fact, it's pretty obvious some are the opposite --- kool-aid drinking, Obama supporting libs (i.e. "Denny"), but, moreover, I don't care.

I don't care who I offend either. Just speaking my mind. Free speech.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

This is an OSU sports blog. Politics don't belong here.

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tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

Generally speaking yes, but, in this case, there's seems to be some relation to this situation.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

i think you're being fairly liberal with you relating of items.

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Denny's picture

I see what you did there.

Taquitos.

Pam's picture

I could speak my mind about a lot of things that would surely offend you, but I won't/dont because, as it has been brought up more than once, this is not the forum to bring up politics regardless of what side you are on.

Matt's picture

Pam, I'm going to have to step in and correct you on this one: 11W has and always will be a proud Whig Party platform.  But then again, you strike me as someone who was for high tariffs and an expansion of our roads and canal systems -- before you were against them.

Denny's picture

Pro-canals only because we love our rowing teams.

Taquitos.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

...hey just speaking from my experiences .... when I was younger (teens, 20s, 30s, I was more liberal), but now the older I get (mid 40s), the more conservative Ive become and the more I find liberals predictable.

And, you can not deny that the media is liberally biased, the sports media too, ESPN and SI --- they have agendas.

So, this is very related. It's absurd to say that this has nothing to do with politics when you look at some figures in the sports media (i.e. Dorhrmann) and their backgrounds and their opposition to what people perceive Jim Tressel and Midwestern values Ohio State to be, in regards to the unbalanced coverage they have given the Ohio State scandal opposed to other scandals.

It's unbalanced. It's that simple. So, there's more to it than just sports, and an impressive 10-year record for a clean coach like Jim Tressel...its the desire to bring someone down who is from the other side, and a real successful figure from the other side at that. That's how these people operate, if you dont get that --- youre either naieve or misinformed.

Ive been watching these boards for years but don't ever comment -- had to say something about this. And, had to correct people when they say it has nothing do with politics. I disagree..it does not have everything to do with politics, social agendas, etc., but it certainly seems it may be part of it .... I maybe took some people's sarcastic comments as being snarky, but whatever. 

 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

jesus. h. christ.

 

give it up dude. stop painting with that same old tired borad brush. go over to a political forum if you want to continue down this road.

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tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

a. watch your language

b. if you don't like it --- move on to something else.

c. ive stated my opinion, there seems to be a relation with an agenda by certain media figures....you can agree or disagree...like it or not -- it's my opinion. If you you don't like it? Guess what --- get over it.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

stop crushing my freedom of speech, pseudo-conservative.

conspiracy theories belong over at joe rogan's or jesse ventura's website.

 

see, one from each side. just for you.

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tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

thanks...hey, I hear Olbermann is back on TV --- go get the popcorn ready.

I'm not a conservative by the way, but an independant.

I'm not hear to talk about politics, but, rather, how certain sports writers personal politics may be influencing and affecting their sports writing in some cases,  (i.e. the garbage Dohrmann put out there)

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

So you're a member of the independent party?

 

I don't think politics has anythign to do with it. it's what's the "sexier" story. Saban gets caught.. whooptie do. Tressel scandal sells magazines and drives page views.

 

BTW I don't watch olbermann, o'reilly etc. Kool-aid for all.

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tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

....you have a point --- it is the "sexier" story that sells, but, is that fair to Ohio State and Tressel? especially if the whole thing is being unproportionately covered, with questionable sources? ... no. I don't think so.

O'Reilly seems arrogant to me, btw

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

fairness isn't the name of the game. there are dirtier programs to uncover, but none are as shocking as one that is led by a man who wears a sweater vest, reads the bible and looks like your favorite uncle. and that's what sells. journalism has deteriorated to that point and I don't hink it has anything to do with one's political beliefs. it's all about what sells AKA money.

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Denny's picture

'I don't think it's too absurd, but, rather, agree that (partly) this very well could have been some motive.'

Hedge much?

'You're foolish to think Dohrmann and his ilk aren't satisfied that they think they helped to bring down one of the other side, that's how liberals operate---they're rats.'

I'm just a chemist, not a biologist - but I'm pretty sure liberals are people.

'Don't think it's a paranoid political conspiracy theory, but, it makes a lot of sense.'

Nope. Nothing at all paranoid about parsing through the list of people whom somebody follows on Twitter and turning it into a rant having to do with perceived politics and made-up persecution of a public figure because said public figure is a pretty big fan of the Jesus. 

Then again, you seem to think that people are actually rats, so I suppose that lots of things make lots of sense to you.

'The bottom line is lying to the ncaa or not, (lies of omission, btw), this wasn't the big deal the media is blowing it up to be. Other programs have done far far worse.'

 

A head coach willingly withholding information is a big story. A head coach at one of the winningest programs in the country doing so most certainly is.

'There was not academic cheating (Florida State), or pimping kids out for hundreds of thousands of dollars.'

No. It was rule-breaking in order to keep an advantage on the field to go along with very public hypocrisy.

'You're right --- people wil agree with you on your assertion that "There is no doubt Jim Tressel is a dirty coach"...I disagree. Compared to others, he's probably a saint.'

Compared to a gecko, my dog is probably the best dog.

'Your proof is "some former OSU pro" says he's labeled like that...hmmm...kind of a weak source. Dohrmann-esque.'

'Pro Ohio State guy' and 'some former OSU pro' are not the same thing. Mis-quoting aside, if you think that posting a comment on a blog and posting a giant piece in Sports Illustrated are the same thing, then yes — BTalbertTwentyFive's passing along of an anecdote was very 'Dohrmann-esque'. 

Taquitos.

Matt's picture

I wanted to be a chemist when I was in grade school.  I had a plan to make bombs with my chemistry set and to then equip a trained animal army with these bombs to fight wars of vengeance on my behalf.  No one really wanted to be my friend.

Denny's picture

Sorry 2 hear abt the unchill kids in ur neighborhood.

Taquitos.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

"Denny" :

bend over backwards and then bend over forwards and grab your toes, and take it for ESPN, and George Dohrmann all you want ---- and attack the messenger all you want .... but you're wrong. That's a fact. Why don't you give SPECIFIC facts supporting that coach tressel is "dirty" and, while you're at it --- if you're so concerned with public hypocrisy -- you need to realize the fact that Tressel's "lie" was a lie of omission, to PROTECT his players, as advised. And, I bet you're the type of genius who is so used to buying all of the bs ESPN and SI shove down the public's throat ---- you believe EVERYthing on their website is 100% truth and etched in stone. You need a reality check, brother! Get a spine and get a clue.

And, lastly, I think Tressel DID, in fact notify Gene Smith about all of this awhile ago --- but, for some reason --- Smith is protected.

Smith should have been gone months ago, BEFORE Tressel ---- he will be gone by in the next few months. Guaranteed.

Denny ---- go to the Michigan boards ---- because as much as you deride Tressela and OSU with what you think are cute little snarky remarks, you look like you bleed maize and blue to me.

God forbid we bring up some common sense conclusions here --- Dohrmann is your typical elitist liberal who relishes in bringing down the opposite. You know that's part of the motive here.

Matt's picture

Why would you bend over backwards before you bend over forwards?  That seems unnecessary.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

I agree....but when you're a die-hard ESPN and SI fan ---- you do whatever they want.

btalbert25's picture

Where did Denny say he was Pro ESPN or SI?  Did you infer that just because he's not screaming and ranting that they are trying to take down a good christian convervative?  You need to just chill out and relax some man.  We can all disagree on here, but don't need to call everyone names because they disagree with us.

Today, is the first time I've ever seen your name posting on this site. You may have before I don't know.  I've been posting here for a couple of years.  Many have even longer.  We all for the most part get a long.  We disagree all the time.  Some people are a little more sarcastic than others.  Some, have different ways of telling someone else they are wrong.  At the end of the day though, we all respect eachother. 

You can make your points without the name calling and allienating other readers on this site.  This has always been a pretty welcoming community.  Let's keep it that way.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

Denny probably hangs up George Dohrmann and Keith Olbermann pictures on his bathroom mirror;  then has a Jim Tressel photo etched in to his toilet bowl

 

hahhaa

Denny's picture

Again — not a biologist, but I do have a series of bones running down the middle of my back. It's just hard to see because I get daily back tattoos with EVERYthing on their website.

Also, thanks for the name idea for any daughters I have. I was wondering how to effectively feminize 'Tressel'.

Taquitos.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

hhaha  anytime brother!  -----  just havin' a little fun!

Irricoir's picture

I hardly think snarky comments while utilizing a keyboard qualifies as having a "backbone". Sounds cowardly to me. Maybe one day if we meet in person we can have a conversation about this and you can convince me otherwise. At least I won't misspell something while speaking to you at a Tail Gate or what have you.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Jason Priestas's picture

If either of you do anything but have a beer and a smile together at the tailgate, you'll be banned from 11W for life.

Love,

Pops

Irricoir's picture

*Chest Thump* much love brother.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Bucks's picture

Jason & other 11w staff members:

If you are ever petitioned to add a political forum section to 11W, please make a full page posting that just has the words NO (in tOSU colors of course).

I'm one of these garbage leaning Liberals who are also spineless it seems. I think I can acknowledge idiots on both sides though & even the *claimed* middle.

 

In other news, the preview Gruden piece linked gives me a little hope that Terrelle might actually put some series of words together, making full sentences. I might cry. Has only taken multiple years :P

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

I think wearing the hat backwards does not help his immaturity issue at all. It may be a minor thing, but for him -- everything is going to be knit-picked ---- Rosenhaus would have been wise to tell him to avoid the hat backwards.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I don't think wearing hat backwards is seen as awful outside of the 1980s.

 

Tony Romo does it all the time. Not that he's a great QB, his image hasn't been harmed. that's just laughable.

 

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tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

true...Romo does --- but Romo (and Im no Tony Romo fan), but he doesn't have the same NCAA-rule bending and authority-ignoring background as TP

JakeBuckeye's picture

Very rarely do I come on here and read a comment as silly as that one. Usually when I do its meant to be silly and its posted by Denny or Matt. You're joking, right?

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

me? Im sacrcastic a lot --- but, c'mon --- you  mean to tell me wearing a hat backwards looks good?

for a guy like TP, he needs to do everything to come off as clean - cut and mature, right? if you were advising him --- wouldnt you tell him that?

well---hat backwards, (although a minor detail), wouldnt be good in a job interview ---- this is going to be viewed by many, and TP needs to change his image, frankly. He comes off as immature and a little bit thug-ish.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

the "job interview" argument doesn't hold water. it's not like he's going in for a programmign job at a software company or a sales rep position at IBM. he's going to catch or maybe throw a football.

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JakeBuckeye's picture

"He comes off as immature and a little bit thug-ish."

You've really got your head on straight you know that?

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

meanwhile, Joe Basuerman shows lots of heart and hustle.

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Denny's picture

He sure is scrappy.

Taquitos.

Jason Priestas's picture

Don't worry. It will never happen.

This is just a friendly reminder: this place is apolitical. We don't want to hear what side you're on, who you're voting for, who has agendas to punish the left/right. We don't care.

Unless it has to do with the Whigs. Whig talk is always welcome.

Seriously, political talk ruins good times, so let's stay away from it, please.

Denny's picture

The Whigs put on a hell of a live show.

 

Taquitos.

William's picture

Always more of a fan of the Know-Nothin' Party..

blazers34's picture

you guys are f'n crazy.

 

this is by far the dumbest thread in the history of 11W not involving penn state trolls

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

!you mean the self-proclaimed "Linebacker U" ?

haha I'd take Ohio State's LB's the last half-decade vs. anyone's ------ Hawk, Carpenter, Freeman, Laurinaitus, Homan, Rolle, etc.

OSU is the new LINEBACKER U, baby!

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

oh ok, I'll shut up "Jake", because you said so....aye aye sir!

go wear your hat backwards, because I bet it looks sweet on you

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

"a bit thug-ish" ? ... I dont know ... if you perpetually break NCAA rules then yeah, you tell me

JakeBuckeye's picture

So you're telling me that if Jim Tressel wore a backwards ball cap he would look a bit thug-ish? Or do you just have racial undertones?

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

heck yea --- Tressel broke NCAA rules --- that in its self is THUG-ISH!

No racial undertones, Jake, put your race card away ---- come on --- you have more mental depth than that, don't you? Playing the race card is LAZY. To me, "thug-ish" does not mean black or white --- it means breaking the rules, and wearing a hat backwards, black or white or whatever...people of all races act thug-ish. I dont need to explain. geeze

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

You don't know what a thug is then. Perhaps open up a dictionary. Heck, I'll do that work for you.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug

-noun

1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

2.( sometimes initial capital letter ) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.

OR

-noun

1.  a tough and violent man, esp a criminal

2. (sometimes capital) (formerly) a member of an organization of robbers and assassins in India who typically strangled their victims.

 

So maybe its not a matter of racial undertone, maybe its just a matter of you not being very smart.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

or maybe it's a matter of you being an f-ing loser with too much time on his hands.

haha you went and looked up the definition....get a life!

"thug" today means somebody , black OR white, Jakey, who acts likes a hoodlum --- EXAMPLE (for people with common sense):

wearing a hat backwards after you've pissed off 90% of the fan base, and lied to everyone. not a smart move. maybe thug-ish was the wrong word choice, but Im just saying it comes off as immature, like I said before.

Mabye you're not too smart. Apparently, being "smart" is being able to google and copy and paste the definitions of words. Impressive!

Go take your lazy race-baiting somewhere else, its tired and pathetic.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

wearing a hat backwards after you've pissed off 90% of the fan base, and lied to everyone. not a smart move. maybe thug-ish was the wrong word choice, but Im just saying it comes off as immature, like I said before.

 

in other news, kennedy promises the US will go to the moon and women want to vote!

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SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I was saying that you ideas belonged in an era before most people were educated.

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JakeBuckeye's picture

Clearly I have no life. The time and effort it took to type in "thug definition" into my google search engine bar was overwhelming. And then to copy and paste -- OH MY! Do I even deserve to be called a Buckeye? Is there anyway we could change my name to JakeF-ingLoser? THUG LIFE.

Yes or no on getting this tatted across my stomach?

Eddie Rife's gonna be in the joint soon, and since I'm a thug, I'm gonna be locked up sooner or later. Maybe he can hook me up like he did TPeezy.

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

that TAT is sweet....hey, to each his own....I hear Rife pulls a lot of ass based on his stellar good looks

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

WTF??? I can't believe ski hasn't chimed in with an inappropriate jpg of some sort....

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I'm sure he'll be here soon.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I washed my hands of this thread Macbeth style once the words "Christian Conservative" were used. But I got jpg's for errrrrrrrry situation:

"Damn blind liberals!!!!

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

In other news my PS3 just spent 26 hrs downloading my free game (for the network outage) only to have no sound!

GoBucks713's picture

Brady Hoke put the fix in on the Sony networks. Figures.

-The Aristocrats!

William's picture

I can't believe I just spent the past 10 minutes reading these comments. This is by far the dumbest thread I have ever seen. TOSU_OWNS_SCUM, grow up..

tOSU_owns_scUM's picture

oh holy sh*T...then don't read it "William" ... cry me a river...geeze.

by the way, I'm not the one posting pictures of Tupac all tatted up --- yeah, but I'll "grow up"...give me break, get over it