The Week We Have to Root for TSUN

By Alex on November 15, 2010 at 3:00p
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Oh how it pained me to write the title of this article. I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER rooted for Michigan in my life. The thought repulses me and makes me nauseous. But the truth of the matter is, that is what Ohio State Buckeye fans need to do this week, as the Wolverines take on the Wisconsin Badgers in Ann Arbor.

There have been times when the Buckeyes have needed Michigan to win to help their MNC or Big Ten title chances. There are even Buckeye fans that root for the Wolverines to go 11-0 every year before OSU gets a crack at them in the final week of the regular season. I have never thought it was OK to root for TSUN, and when we've needed them to lose in the past, I have simply "rooted against the other team". If that is what you need to do this week than do that, but whatever you want to call it, Buckeye fans need Bucky to go down whichever way possible if they want to make sure they have a spot in a BCS game, and even preserve the 1% chance remaining of going to Glendale at season's end.

As the Big Ten currently stands, the Buckeyes, Badgers, and Michigan State are all tied at the top of the standings with 9-1 records overall and 5-1 marks in conference play. Michigan State's loss came to Iowa a few weeks back, OSU's loss came to Wisconsin on October 10, and Wisky's loss came to the Spartans early in the season. OSU plays Iowa and Michigan to finish things up, Wisco closes with Michigan and Northwestern, and Sparty ends the 2010 season with Purdue and Penn State. If all teams win out, the tie-breaker for the automatic birth to the Rose Bowl is BCS standing, and as things currently sit, the order is UW-OSU-MSU. 

The Buckeyes are guaranteed a share of the conference title if they can win their final two games, but they are not guaranteed an at-large bid to a BCS game if things stay as they currently are. There are only 10 spots in the BCS and two will go to the teams in the championship (Oregon and Auburn as of today), one will go to the ACC winner, one will go to the Big East winner, one will go to the Big 12 winner, one will go to the Big Ten winner, and one with go to an automatic qualifier from a non-BCS conference if either TCU or Boise State win out. That leaves just three spots for the other teams in the mix, which will include OSU, MSU, either Boise State or TCU, Stanford, LSU, Oklahoma State, and Alabama.

You would think with the money that comes with putting OSU in a BCS game that it would be a no-brainer that they get in if they win out, and I think they will, but the chance is always there that Stanford, a second SEC team, and Boise State/TCU may be a breath of fresh air compared to the regulars from Columbus for the selection committees of the various games. This is why Ohio State fans MUST root for Wisconsin to go down in one of their final two games and why they MUST root for the Michigan Wolverines to pull off the upset at home on Saturday. 

There are no guarantees in college football, so to be safe, root for the outright conference title crown. You should be doing this anyway, but if you're one of those "Screw Pasadena, I want to go to the Sugar Bowl to play Auburn/LSU" people , think again, as 11-1 doesn't automatically put you in New Orleans. A Michigan win helps the OSU in the BCS, helps them in their quest for a sixth straight conference title, and most importantly, helps them secure the best possible finish to the 2010 season that they can possibly have after dropping the game in Madison earlier this year.

I won't be wearing maize and blue this week, won't be singing "Hail to the Victors", won't give a "Go Blue", and won't be drinking beers with this guy. What I will be doing is rooting for Raggidy Ann AKA the Nard Dawg or Tater Tot, whichever one decides to man-up, come 12 PM this Saturday afternoon. I will be praying somehow the Michigan front seven can stop the Clay/White/Ball show and that Bret Bielema is stubborn enough not to throw all afternoon on UM's porous secondary. I will be hoping for Michigan to win a football game this weekend, something I have never wished for my entire life, and if they can pull if a miracle, I will be celebrating all night long, as the Bucks will finally control their own destiny once again this football season.

Of course all this is moot if the Bucks can't get it done in Iowa City on Saturday, but with the UM-Wisco game set to end before OSU kicks off at 3:30, a Wolverine win can only give Jim Tressel's team some extra motivation to beat the Hawkeyes later that day.


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AJ's picture

should money have anything to do with which team gets selected to a bowl game...i understand it does but should it

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Buckeye Black's picture

It should somewhat. It is pretty embarrassing watching the half empty Orange Bowl every year, but the most worthy team should get the bid.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

It's not rooting FOR tsun, it's rooting AGAINST Bucky!

repeat to self 10 times, see if anxiety still exists, repeat if necessary. 

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

btalbert25's picture

You know what, Money shouldn't factor into the bowl games and who gets selected, but saying that's the only reason the Buckeyes get the nod over otehr teams isn't right either.  Ohio State very much so deserved a BCS bid the last 2 years and were clearly better than the Big East and ACC reps the last 2 years.  So yeah they got the nod because of money and fan base, but they were more deserving than teams who "earned" it as well.

As for this season, I really want a BCS bowl, but a Rosebowl vs TCU or Boise is not nearly as appealing to me as a Cap One Bowl vs Bama.  Win or lose, it would work out much better for the Buckeyes.  If you lose, big deal it's an SEC team it's expected.  Win and it's hell yeah we beat Bama.  Beat Boise or TCU in the Rose and it's, you played a non AQ school big deal, lose and it's very damaging.  The only way I want to go to the Rose Bowl is to go and beat Oregon again or play and beat Stanford out there.  I really don't care to play LSU in a virtual home game. 

Alex's picture

I agree BTAlbert that we have deserved it, and money is just a bonus most of the time. This year it may be between Boise State, Stanford, and the Bucks for 1 or 2 spots. Who will win out? OSU because of the coin. You can argue we are the best team out of those 3, but BCS standings will say otherwise and so will their fans.

As for the Cap One bowl...take a BCS bowl anytime you can over a non-BCS bowl. I know it's a "lose-lose" for the Bucks against BSU or TCU, but just go out and win, get another BCS win, and set up next year's MNC run. I'd rather win out and go 11-1 and play anyone in a BCS game (yes, even the Big Least) than go 10-2 and win the Captial One Bowl against Bama. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree about winning out and going to a BCS bowl over the Cap One. Moreover, I will root for an outright BTC until that possibility is exhausted.

But I'd rather play an SEC team in the Sugar than TCU/Oregon in the Rose.

btalbert25's picture

Overall, I agree.  I just think a matchup and win vs. Bama this year would do much better for the program's image than anything they'll be facing in the BCS based on projections to this point.  As we know, a whole lot could happen in 2 weeks.  To be sure, the Capital One Bowl can't match the financial benefits the BCS does, but I almost feel like this year, with 2 non AQ's, a terrible ACC and Big East, and a non-traditional Rose Bowl, the Cap One may be a not so bad alternative this year.

It would be nice, though, to make another BCS bowl and be the team that just keeps on going to the BCS games every year. 

BucksfanXC's picture

It's the third Saturday in November this weekend and I'm not only not see my beloved Buckeyes stomping on those damn skunkbears, but you want me to cheer FOR them? This is some Twlight-Zone shit, and I don't mean teenage heartthrob vampires.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

VarsityO's picture

Look at it this way, if they win and OSU goes to the RB they will be even more miserable, depressed, despondent -- all of those good things. What couild be better than having them help us.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I've always rooted for Michigan in non-conf games, as I root for every BT team outside the conference, but I NEVER rooted for the wolvi-shunks in a conference game until RR arrived. I'm hoping they outscore Bucky in a brutal game that leaves both squads convalescing for weeks after the game. 

Bonus pt: if Michigan pulls the upset, that might help keep RR around for longer. Yeah!


btalbert25's picture

I don't make a point to pull for Big 10 teams when they are playing out of conference.  They ahve to be playing a team I really hate.  Even then, I don't hate any team more than Michigan so yeah, pretty much I don't ever pull for Michigan.  I don't really care about how teams do outside the conference to be quite honest.  I've always kind of pulled for Iowa because I have friends from there and the fans in Iowa City were really cool when I went to see the Bucks out there. 

Big 10 is always going to be better than Big East and ACC, and right on par with or better than Pac 10.  Doesn't matter how good you play or how much success you have against SEC, they will always proclaim superiority.

BucksfanXC's picture

When I first started reading this, I thought it was going to be a funny "Greatest Man in the World" parody. I was kinda disappointed when it wasn't.

But anyway, I think I cheered for them against Florida to see LLLLoyd beat the damn Gators. I'd probably do the same against any SEC team.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Boyceblan's picture

Yes,a TSUN win would give us a nice boost in puter points after we embarrass them yet again.  However, the puters are just another way to push SEC bias as the ratings are based upon 'perceived' teams' strengths, which if you look at the way to SEC gets love while the Big Ten gets shafted, you wonder just how those points get tabulated.  Of course, none of the actual formulas are presented. 

It is kind of like how they determine historical references in the bible to be true without actual scientific or physical proof. 

Better, its is like how your High school guidance counselor determined what your "ideal" profession should be.  Why the hell was everyone best suited to be a salesman or a social worker?

tomcollins's picture

The computers, while not perfect, are perfectly clear in how they pick things.  They favor teams who play many good teams, and hurt teams who play a lot of cupcakes.  Ohio State has played no one good except Wisconsin, which is why they are hurt badly.  The SEC, while a little lacking at the top this year, has considerable depth.  Teams like LSU, Alabama, and Auburn also scheduled fairly well out of conference this year (for SEC standards).  There are just way too many awful teams in the Big 10.  Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota are awful awful.  Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern, and Penn State are pretty poor for a middle tier.  Iowa has been disappointing.  Michigan State has only beaten one good team, and Wisconsin's schedule is atrocious.  Our marquee win against Miami looks worse every week, and Illinois is a joke after losing to Minnesota.

Computers hate us for good reason.  They can't even look at the score, of course they are going to be way off.  But when you do look at the score, the "bias" disappears.  Sagarin rates Aubrun #9 in the Predictor, and Ohio State #6.  Yeah, there are 5 SEC teams in the top 15, but they are all really good teams.  The SEC only has 3 teams outside the top 50 in Sagarin.  Ohio State has 5/11 teams outside of the top 50.  3 aren't even in the top 100!

So of course when you look at "who have you beaten" and "who have you lost to", SEC teams who actually play decent teams more than twice a year, come out with a bit of an edge.  So does the Pac-10, who has 40% of their teams in the top 12, and 60% in the top 25.  Their worst team, Washington State, would finish 9th in the Big 10 (out of 12 teams).

Now there is some bias in my opinion with Sagarin favoring teams that get involved in shootouts over low scoring games, but even with that, there is absolutely no depth in the Big 10 this year.  There is no getting shafted when you actually suck.  You think Michigan State would stand a chance in hell in being a conference champion of the Big 12, SEC, or Pac-10?  Even the ACC might be enough to shake them out with at least having to play more than 2 tough games.

Buckeye Black's picture

Miami is back in the top 25, and if they win this weekend against Va. Tech, they will move up considerably.  Should scUM pull the victory off against Wiscy, that will put them in the top 25 as well.

tomcollins's picture

Those wins would help quite a bit.  However, it still doesn't change the lack of depth of playing a Big 10 schedule, especially if you end up missing one of the top teams.  It just doesn't compare to a top conference.

Michigan goes back to the top 25, only to get bounced again when we beat them.  Iowa will end up with their 4th loss and will barely be a top 25 team.  Wisconsin should they lose, would drop to a borderline top 10 team.

Compare that to Auburn's schedule.  Or LSU's.  Even Oregon's, although the Pac-10 gets a lot less respect in its depth than it should.

Buckeye Black's picture

Good points, but also:


MS State will probably not finish in the top 25, they have beaten nobody and are benefiting from being in the SEC.

If S. Carolina loses to Clemson or Auburn in the SEC championship they probably won't be ranked or at least they will be the highest 4 loss team simply for being in the SEC.

So that leaves two elite teams in Auburn and LSU (right now the Big Ten has 3), two really good teams in Arky and Bama, although Arkansas stands to lose some ground as well.

That seems to be the Big Ten's only weakness is middle tier.  Iowa is better than their record, but a loss is a loss.  Northwestern is unfortunate in losing Persa because now they have to play the bowl game without him.  Penn State is equal if not greater than Florida this year.  scUM is just as good as MS State.

SEC has 4 bad teams in Ole Miss, Tenn., UGA, and Vandy so that washes out with Minny, Purdue, and Indiana.  Head to head I think the Big ten would win 6-5 with Vandy/Ole Miss sitting out.

tomcollins's picture

A lot of your statements are fairly off here.  I'm not concerned about where teams are ranked, but how good they actually are.  There's a big difference.

Florida >>>>> Penn State.  It's not even close.

MS State > Michigan, but this is closer.

SEC has only 2 bad teams, Ole Miss and Vandy.  Those are the only teams on the scale of bad as Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota.  Tennessee and Georgia, while they have poor records, have actually been a notch above those teams (and even Northwestern with Persa).

Looking at Sagarin's ratings, the SEC teams and Big Ten teams are ordered together like this:

Alabama, [b]Ohio State[/b], LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, South Carolina, [b]Iowa[/b], Florida, [b]Wisconsin[/b], Georgia, [b]Michigan State[/b], Miss St., [b]Illinois[/b], [b]Michigan[/b], Tennessee, [b]Penn State[/b], Kentucky, [b]Northwestern[/b], Ole Miss, [b]Minnesota[/b], [b]Indiana[/b], Vanderbilt, [b]Purdue[/b]


To put things a little more clearly based on tiers, we have:
1-10: Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Auburn (SEC 3, B10 1)

11-25: Arkansas, South Carolina, Florida, Iowa, Wisconsin (SEC 3, B10 2)

26-50: Michigan State, Michigan, Illinois, Georgia, Miss State, Tennessee (SEC 3, B10 3)

51-100: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Penn State, Northwestern (SEC 2, B10 2)

100+: Vanderbilt, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue (SEC 1, B10 3)

Top 10: 3-1 SEC

Top 25: 6-3 SEC

Top 50: 9-6 SEC

The Big Ten is just not even close this year in depth.  Even the good teams are not very good (save Ohio State).  You are vastly overestimating the strength of B10 teams and vastly underestimating a lot of SEC teams.

Bucksfan's picture

I want Michigan to win.  I hate Michigan when they win, but I also hate them for sucking when they lose, too.  Beyond everything else, beating Michigan and going to the Rose Bowl is what it's all about.  I would say we could hold off and root for Northwestern, but now that Persa's done for the year, this is the best shot anyone's going to have to beat Wisconsin.  It's not much of a shot, but it's a shot.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Maybe this is me completely used to Big Ten teams falling in favor of us over the past five years, but I'm fairly confident that Michigan will win this game.

tomcollins's picture

LSU goes over Bama for the Sugar unless Bama can beat Auburn.  And even then, I'm not sure.  And I'd rather play LSU than Bama.  Both are beatable, though.

tomcollins's picture

 OSU, MSU, either Boise State or TCU, Stanford, LSU, Oklahoma State, and Alabama.


To look at each team-

MSU - highly unlikely to go over Ohio State if we win out.

Boise or TCU (the lower ranked) - possible, but not a lock.  Assuming they win out, this team will be #3 or #4.  Boise travels very well will have a chance to win a split title.  This is intriguing for a bowl.

Stanford - The only situation I see them taking a spot over us is if the Rose Bowl loses Oregon, TCU/Boise goes over Auburn, and the Rose Bowl needs to pick someone.  Stanford goes then.  Also, if Stanford gets to #4, they can get an automatic spot.

LSU - Sugar probably takes them first.

Alabama - same thing if LSU is not available.

Oklahoma State/Nebraska - don't see them going over Ohio State.  This team is going to have 2 losses (or more).  They will be quite a bit down in the rankings.


So for Ohio State to not go after winning out, we'd have to have the following happen:  a 2nd SEC team goes.  This is pretty much a lock.  Either MSU is chosen ahead of us for some strange reason (unlikely), or 2 of Stanford, the Boise/TCU "loser", and 2-loss Oklahoma St. or Nebraska.  I think we can scratch off the 2-loss B12 teams from the mix. So that means both Stanford and Boise/TCU would need to go ahead of us.  Stanford only goes ahead of us if TCU/Boise goes to the title game and Oregon is not available (wins out).  In that scenario, Rose gets to pick first, and takes Stanford.  I'll assume TCU goes to the title game since that hurts Ohio State the most.  Pittsburgh (or whoever wins the Big East) is going to the Fiesta, so pencil them in.

We have the following teams locked in:

MNC: Oregon vs. TCU

Rose: Wisconsin vs. Stanford

Sugar: Auburn/South Carolina vs. ?

Orange: ACC Champ (VT/NCSU/FSU/MD/Miami/?) vs. ?

Fiesta: Nebraska/Oklahoma St/other vs. Pittsburgh

Sugar has to choose between a 2nd SEC team (not happening), Boise/TCU, Oklahoma State/Nebraska, or Ohio State/MSU.

Orange takes the 2nd SEC team (LSU/Auburn/Alabama).

I think there is a decent chance Boise gets taken here.  If it's TCU left to be picked, we might win out.  They don't have as strong of a fan base, lost to Boise last year, dropping in the polls, etc...

I don't see many other scenarios where we are left out (if any) where we win out.  So for this to happen, we need the following:

Stanford to win out (or maybe just drop 1).  TCU and Boise to win out, and TCU stay on top of Boise.  Auburn to lose.  Oregon to win out.  Any other situation, and we are in great shape.  If Oregon loses, they go to the Rose.  If Stanford loses, Rose might take Boise, TCU, or an SEC team.  If TCU or Boise lose, they don't go to a BCS game.  If Auburn wins out, an 2nd SEC team goes to the Sugar instead of Orange.

I'd say winning out gives us at least a 95% chance of making a BCS game.  And that 5% is more due to being unable to predict weirdness in the selection committee.

With that being said, I'm all for Wisconsin dropping a game and giving us the automatic berth.  And I'm also fine with Sparty losing.  PSU might be strong enough to do it.

iball's picture

Ok, if OSU wins out, we will go to a BCS game, period. In no scenario would a top 10 BCS Ohio State team be left out of the BCS money bag. No ifs, ands, or buts, it just won't happen, so forget it. If OSU loses to either Iowa or tsun, then what's in your wallet, Sparty is in the BCS.

So, I got Auburn losing to Bama. But Auburn has the SEC title game vs. SCar, which Aub. will win. So that will mean Aub. and LSU will be the 2 SEC teams in the BCS mix. (LSU will beat Ark.)

VaTech will once again be the crappy ACC rep. Unranked Pitt, will be the Big Least whipping boy, in the BCS mix by winning their conference.(wow)

Bill Brasky will win the B12 on 238 queludes and a gallon of Jack. So he's in. But he's the only one, welcome to the Big 10, 11, 12, Bill.

So the question to me is does a one loss LSU or Auburn jump Boise and TCU for a spot in the MNC? I say yes. No one, I mean no one, wants to watch Oregon play TCU/Boise for the title can' happen, won't happen.

So here's my picks

MNC- Auburn vs. Oregon

Sugar- LSU vs. Boise

Orange- Ohio St. vs. Va Tech zzzzzzz....

Fiesta- Bill Brasky vs. Pitt

Rose- Wisconsin vs. TCU

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

tomcollins's picture

1 loss Auburn goes if Auburn loses to Bama over LSU.

1 loss LSU only goes if Auburn loses twice IMO.

I don't think a 1-loss SEC team will be able to jump TCU and Boise, though.  They deserve, to though.  Boise and TCU play absolutely no one.  I don't care if they win by 50 points.  I don't care if they are the best team in the country.  Until you actually go through a season and get tested rather than just winning 1 or 2 games, you don't deserve a shot in my book.  I'll even root for an SEC team over TCU and Boise.

I'm not sure Sugar takes Boise over us, but it's possible.

BuckeyeChief's picture


"2014 National with it!!!"

Chris Lauderback's picture

Wow. Nice pick by Kurt Coleman off a tipped pass. Making his 1st career start tonight.

iball's picture

So does 11w just choose to ignore the end of daylight savings time?? WHAT REBELS!!!

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Chris Lauderback's picture

It's hard to "fall back" with all that free Four Loko in the company cafeteria. We just keep raging.

Johnny Ginter's picture

i mix mine with earl grey tea and mescaline

iball's picture

Vick is the fastest player in the NFL

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

themostbrian's picture

Anyone here who says that they weren't rooting for Michigan to win the week before we were both 11-0 and #1 and #2 in the nation in 2006 is lying.

That includes the author of this post.

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

You know what? I hang my nuts low and large and I'll gladly welcome an 11-0 Michigan team every friggin' year. And you also wanna know what? I'll gladly accept a BCS bowl game against an SEC team like LSU and such. Why? because I want the Bucks to play the baddest team they can get and prove they got balls to go out there and win.

zosima's picture

Is anyone else liking the projections pointing to an LSU Sugar Bowl matchup?  As nice as it was to smell the Roses last year, I would be happy to see  Bucky Badger roll if we got a chance to prove something against a grass-chewing "Michigan Man" coaching all that SEC SPEEEEEEEEEEED and put them in their place.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl would make me equally happy. The Orange Bowl is what I desperatley want to avoid.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Unrelated - a new espn "college football lives here" ad is of Ballard's amazing catch against Oregon. Kinda awesome. 

Powers's picture

saw that. pure awesomeness.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

I think we need to wait to see if they win out before we even concern ourselves about where we go and who will face. Not even a concern of mine at this point.

"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team.  This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama

CliffordTheBRD's picture

Either we get to see Michigan get beaten, hopefully with Bielema doing his best to run up the score, or we see Wisconsin lose and help out OSU. For me its all good whatever.

buckeyedude's picture

Can't root for TSUN.

Can we just focus on beating Iowa?!