Five Things: Iowa

By Chris Lauderback on November 22, 2010 at 1:00a
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It was exactly the nail biter most of us expected and when all was said and done, Terrelle Pryor led a game winning TD drive and the defense shut down the Hawkeyes, especially in the 4th quarter, paving the way for a 20-17 victory in Iowa City.

The win improved the Buckeyes to 10-1 making them the first team in the history of the Big Ten to win at least 10 games in six consecutive seasons and boosted Tressel's record to 28-4 in November at Ohio State.

The Drive

Having already directed an 11 play FG drive on the previous possession cutting the Iowa lead to 17-13 with 7:38 to play, Pryor took the field with a little over six minutes left following an Iowa 3-and-out needing to march his team 76 yards for a game winning touchdown to avoid a second big game loss on the road.

Brandon Saine got it started with an 11 yard run around right end then Pryor followed it up with a six yard draw out of a five wide set (great call) to make it 2nd and 4 from the OSU 41. Under center, Pryor dropped back and led Boom perfectly out of the backfield resulting in another nine yards out to midfield. That particular play requires accuracy and Pryor's toss hit Boom in stride allowing him to keep full momentum toward the line of scrimmage. Simple, yet vital execution from Pryor on a day when some of this throws, even completions, weren't delivered necessarily where he'd want them to be.

On the ensuring 1st down play, Pryor, again under center, play faked and threw wide over the middle for Stoneburner. Clayborn scorched Adams on the play but Pryor was able to step into the throw, it just wasn't a good one. Then, on 2nd down, Pryor faked left to Boom and rolled right hoping to hit Stoneburner rolling with him on the play but the throw, albeit pressured by DE Broderick Binge Binns, was woefully low and behind the intended receiver. Unshaken but facing 3rd and 10, Pryor, out of the shotgun, went into the Troy Smith roll right dropback and launched an absolute strike roughly 60 yards in the air and through the arms of Posey bringing you, me, Posey and Brutus to our collective knees. What a throw. The kid bounces back from two shaky passes and delivers an absolute rainmaker that should've been good for six.

Fear not. Facing 4th and 10 with the conference championship and a pontential BCS bowl bid on the line, Pryor again went into the roll right dropback and as the Hawkeye defense rolled hard in the same direction, Pryor reversed course with a waiting Adams and Boren convoy in position allowing TP to scamper left for 14 yards and a season saving 1st down to the Iowa 36 yard line. Incredible play.

With new life, Pryor rolled right and found Dane for five yards on a low throw before Boom made two nice cuts, first right, then left, creating a five yard run for another 1st down, at the Iowa 26. After an Iowa injury stopped the clock, I was expecting a run considering three minutes still remained however Pryor, back under center, again rolled right then into a dropback before lofting what amounted to a back shoulder fade to Dane who made an incredible leaping catch with his left foot grazing the turf at the two yard line. With more juice on the throw, Dane might've scored however it was a tremendous play by one of the true blood and guts warriors on this team and a clutch throw from Pryor on a gutsy play call from Tressel.

Boom would finish the job two carries later, willing himself into the endzone on a second effort thrust behind Adams, Fragel, and a pulling Browning. The drive was truly a beautiful thing to watch as Pryor handled some adversity, the line stepped up when it mattered most, Tressel stayed agressive, Dane made a clutch grab and Boom plowed through to pay dirt saving Posey from becoming Hamby 2.0, all on the road.

Self-inflicted wounds don't prove fatal

Chalk up another November win for Tressel but it was far from flawless execution as the Buckeyes looked to be in September form from a discipline standpoint. Ohio State racked up a ridiculous eight penalties for 73 yards with many coming at very inopportune times. Shugarts got the ball rolling on OSU's first offensive possession sandwiching false starts between a pass off the hands of Philly Brown on 2nd and 12. Two false starts in three plays? The second putting OSU in 3rd and 17? This is a two year starter we're talking about. The Buckeyes did overcome his jumps but still punted five plays later.

On Iowa's second possession, Chekwa was flagged for PI moving Iowa 15 yards closer and they would score three plays later on a 19 yard TD pass from Stanzi to McNutt as Hines was beat in coverage. Chekwa would be flagged for PI again on Iowa's fourth possession on a 3rd and 9 play that moved the Hawkeyes into FG range but thankfully Michael Meyer missed a 40 yard try wide left four plays later.

Trailing 7-3 and looking to seize momentum following Meyer's miss, Brown dropped another pass, this time on 2nd and 10. Pryor would pick up Brown on the next play hitting Posey for a 22 yard gain but two plays later Pryor tossed his worst pass of the day, a deep ball intended for T-Wash, that Micah Hyde intercepted off a deflection to, in effect, end the first half.

After a Pryor to Fragel TD connection put OSU in front 10-7 midway through the 3rd quarter, Iowa capitalized on a touchy personal foul call on Jermale Hines - on 3rd and 6 - allowing Iowa to kick a game tying FG four plays later. Now, the call may have been ticky tack but Hines should've never allowed the ref's poor decision making to become a factor. First, it looked liked Hines might have a shot at the INT if he would've been trying to play the ball and second, he did go facemask to helmet with the Iowa receiver making the hit look far worse than it was. Hines woud have an even closer call on Iowa's last gasp drive as he blasted Adam Robinson on a failed screen attempt. This time, the refs didn't throw a flag as replays showed Hines was very close to arriving ahead of the ball.

Certainly, the fact Ohio State was able to overcome the eight penalties and at least five drops is a testament to their...wait for it...moxie, but in week 11, I think we all expect a little cleaner effort out of our favorite team. No way they were looking ahead to Michigan so I'm not sure what to make of it. I can only say I hope it gets ironed out for Michigan week because I know we're all wanting a result more resembling 2008 than 2009.

The rise of the bullets

Though they surrendered just three points in the first half, the Bullets didn't overwhelm Stanzi as he hit 13/17 for 103 yards and a 19 yard TD strike to Marvin McNutt. The second half was a different story as the line got more pressure, the blitz was more effective and the secondary stayed closer to the Iowa receivers reducing Stanzi to 7/14 for 92 yards in the final 30 minutes.

Not to be outdone by Pryor's heroics, the defense was money late in the game after permitting Marcus Coker to chew up 27 yards in two plays following Pryor's INT allowing the Hawkeyes to take a 17-10 lead with just under 12 minutes to play. Pryor and Co. responded with a FG drive cutting the lead to 17-13 with 7:38 to play meaning the defense would have to step up keep OSU from losing on the road for the second time this season. Enter John Simon.

The relentless defensive tackle blew past the inside shoulder of Iowa's Sr. guard Josh Koeppel sacking Stanzi for a six yard loss forcing 2nd and 16. Iowa would get 11 yards back on an out to McNutt but on 3rd and 5, Simon, lined up over the left guard, slid down the line of scrimmage after diagnosing a quick pass to the left flat intended for Robinson and jumped to bat the ball away forcing the Hawkeyes to punt. It was an incredible series for Simon setting the stage for Ohio State's game winning drive.

Following Boom's TD run to make it 20-17 Buckeyes with 1:47 left, the defense was called upon to make one last stand. After the KO return team allowed Iowa to reach the 36 yard line, Hines blew up the aforementioned screen to Robinson on 1st down. On the next play, the Buckeyes rushed five led by Heyward, Solomon Thomas and Simon forcing Stanzi to throw it away. Now facing 3rd and 10, Stanzi dropped back and with all receivers covered, Heyward was able to finally break free and drop Stanzi for an 11 yard loss. With the game on the line at 4th and 21, the Bullets smartly still rushed four and got decent pressure flushing Stanzi to his right before he threw back across his body complete to McNutt. Homan was right with him, however and Hines was there to clean up the play leaving Iowa two yards short of moving the chains. Game over. Angina in remission.

The spectacular finishing act helped the Buckeyes hold Iowa to 276 total yards on the day including second half numbers of just 121 yards allowed and six first downs. Rolle led the way with 10 stops (3 TFL) while Hines (8), Sweat (7) and Homan (7) also filled the box score.

Boom and dane continue to do work

Pryor is without question the most talented player on offense but it's the glue guys, Dane and Boom, that continue to propel this unit with gritty play and clutch performances. Boom found the sledding a little bit tougher than in previous weeks but he still carried 20 times for 69 yards, averaging 3.5 yards per carry against the nation's 4th ranked rush defense. Not eye-popping numbers, but I felt he showed good vision all day and he really stepped up as a receiver recording five grabs for 30 yards including a very important 11 yarder on the 4th quarter FG drive and a clutch nine yarder to move the sticks on the game winning drive capped by his one yard TD run, giving Boom 10 straight games with at least one TD. Combined, Boom racked up 99 yards of offense and scored the game winning touchdown. Herron also put himself in position to make a run at 1,000 yards needing 107 on the ground against Michigan to crack a G. Also of note, his yards per carry stands at 5.3 this season against 3.9 in 2009 and 4.9 in 2008. Great stuff from one of the most under appreciated Buckeyes in recent memory.

Dane also turned in a clutch performance eclipsing the 100 yard barrier for the third time this season with 102 yards on six grabs. He recorded probably the second greatest offensive play of the day behind Pryor's 4th down scramble when he streaked down the right sideline, adjusted his body in mid-air to Pryor's back shoulder toss, and got his foot down just inside the boundary line while hauling in a 24 yard reception giving OSU 1st and goal from the Iowa two yard line setting up the decisive score. Sanzenbacher also had two important grabs on OSU's first scoring drive snatching a 16 yarder on a 2nd and 13 crossing route just before grabbing a 26 yarder moving the ball to the Iowa 20.

For the year, Dane stands at 818 yards receiving on 49 catches with nine TDs putting him 13 receptions and 248 yards ahead of his full 2009 campaign. Beyond the numbers, there's nobody on the roster that leads by example and focuses on the little things any more than Sanzenbacher. Similar to Boom, he's one of those guys where we all probably won't realize just how much we miss him until he's gone.

Peaceful, Uneasy feeling

Where to start with Terrelle Pryor? I should first say that I am thankful he's in Columbus because I like winning above all else and he's pretty damn good at it; 29-4 as a starter to be exact. Despite struggling to deliver the football between the numbers on a consistent basis, he managed to engineer two amazingly clutch 4th quarter scoring drives capping the comeback and keeping Ohio State in the Big Ten and BCS bowl bid races. Then, instead of playing the hero role in a classy fashion, we're digesting tweets from TP's account that make him look like the anti-hero, at least in a grown up world.

First, he takes issue with the haters tweeting, "Talk is cheap none of you haters could fill my shoes w ten socks on. Bums. Go Bucks." What is that? I get that big time college athletes get sick of the criticism but this is childish. Show some humility. Of course, that tweet is nothing in comparison to Pryor's encore performance: "Heard Kirk herbstreit was dogging us. He a fake buckeye. Fake as hell." Stay classy, Terrelle. Ever give any thought to the idea Herbstreit is an analyst? It's his job to give his opinion. Plus, from what I saw of Herbie's comments, he merely suggested Pryor's sideline demeanor in which he shows frustration could work against him and negatively impact his teammates. Sounds pretty accurate to me. He also predicted Ohio State would win. I know some of you are anti-Herbie but for Pryor to handle any opinionated criticism from a guy who clearly knows college football and bleeds scarlet and gray - whether you agree with his opinions or not - is simply another instance prompting me to believe Pryor might not ever grow up. Especially when any intelligent fan or player knows Herbie loves Ohio State just as much as any person alive. To call him a "fake buckeye" is the dumbest thing Pryor has ever communicated, even beyond his signature "I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me" quote regarding Vick.

If anything, Saturday confirmed where my personal feelings stand with Pryor. He's my guy, the QB of my favorite team, trying to live up to the unimaginable expectations and pressure as a result of being such a high profile HS player but I've also come to grips with the fact that both on and off the field, he'll always be susceptible to doing something completely bone-headed, no matter what he's done to that point to almost convince me otherwise. As a result, I'm at peace with the fact that while he brings absolutely freakish physical skills and abilities to the table, the foundation is still not quite as steady as I'd hope by year three and therefore an uneasy feeling will likely always be present. His sometimes erratic mouth is but a metaphor for his sometimes erratic play - both influenced by emotion that should be put in check. That said, this stuff isn't the same as cheating on tests, getting in trouble with the law and the like so I am perfectly willing to tolerate it as long as the wins follow behind. At least I'm fan enough to admit it.

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F O U R's picture

Chris, your take on Pryor is absolutely correct.  I root for him because he's a beast and because he's leading our crew now.  However, I won't follow him once he leaves because he's a punk with zero perspective on his role and potential legacy, and punks can't win my unconditional affection.  However, there are plenty of players on this team that will go down as awesome on and off the field, especially Sanzenbacker and Heyward.

buckeyejonross's picture

I have to say i disagree about his understanding of his legacy. he said that he is coming back to "break all the records", selfish or not the dude knows about and wants to leave a positive legacy here in columbus. the devotion he has to his school is remarkable, he has never bashed us or the university and has an 8 inch tattoo of a buckeye elaf and block o. as far as im concerned the guy loves ohio state as much as we all do.

"You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war. War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." -William T., Battle of Atlanta, B1G.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I want to agree with you on this particular topic, but if he really wants to leave a positive legacy and image of himself then why does he say things like he said about Herbie or go on his countless tirades if he doesn't like the play call or decision? I'll defend his play on the field any day, but defending Terrelle of the field is becoming increasingly impossible and FAST.

On another note; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaWaS4i8Ftw

buckeyejonross's picture

I think he just says dumb things under pressure, i mean, hell i'm 20 and would bet on myself saying something dumb sometime, especially in an interview. I havent really noticed him meltdown on the sidelines with the excpeption of the iowa game (which wasnt really anything) so idk.

 

also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14z723kG4A&feature=related

thats my favorite arthur moment, however the doug/danny "NO, NO YOU'RE PAYIN' FOR THE LICENSES!!!" meltdown is my favorite KoQ moment lol

"You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war. War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." -William T., Battle of Atlanta, B1G.

F O U R's picture

I think he understands the notion of a legacy, but has no clue what building a positive one entails.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Just looked up those tweets from Pryor, couldn't find them. Can anybody link me by chance?

blazers34's picture

pretty sure he deleted both of them.

Buckeye Black's picture

We can't even be sure that he wrote them in the first place.  He is only 20 or 21 years old. He has the complete trust of Tressel yet every week he has to hear and read from analysts and fans about how HE hasn't lived up to OUR expectations.  29-4, 2-0 against scUM with a Rose Bowl MVP, no criticism needed.

blazers34's picture

um, im pretty sure he wrote them.  unless you mean that someone hacked his account, which i doubt.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Exactly. I guess we don't have complete proof/confirmation but (1) the messages were altered/deleted later and (2) nobody has come out and said his account was hacked. I'll believe they were TP tweets unless he or OSU says otherwise.

Ignatius Hoya's picture

Totally agree about Pryor.  When you have Lebron James as your mentor, there is something wrong.  

Hoya Saxa!

blazers34's picture

Whats that you say?  Halftime adjustments helped us get more pressure on Stanzi in the second half?  

Im glad you mentioned it becasuse it gets frustrating hearing people say that Tress doesnt make adjustments.

 

TP's comments dont really bother me.  A 20 year old kid just led his team to a big win on the road, and immediately after hears a bunch of criticism.  Just an emotional reaction.  Whether its true or not, I cant help but think that TP's comments on Herbie reflect the way that a lot of the players feel.

 

Also, more Norwell.  Please.

German Buckeye's picture

Pryor is lacking in the composure arena.  He's won inspite of himself.  OK, he's gone 29-4 as a starter, but I'd venture that just about any of the other Big 10 starting QB's would have done the same if they were given the players that have surrounded Pryor the past 33 games and placed into game plans and received the coaching that he's received at OSU. Criticism comes with the territory big fella, get used to it when you are playing Canadian football after you graduate.   He's got some skills obviously (although when you watch him run the ball compared to, say, Cam Newton, he does down way too easily and can only run north and south, no lateral ability at all).   The NFL is all about passing or in the very few instances, mobile QB's (Pryor is definitely no M. Vick when it comes to rushing ability or quickness).  Heck, Troy Smith has it in spades over Pryor (as good or better rushing, WAY better throwing and has it upstairs - don't think I've ever heard Troy say anything really stupid or off the cuff like Pryor has or if he did, he had enough common sense not to blast it across the world given the immediacy of the media nowadays).  Sorry if this is a anti-Pryor rant, but I'm sorta tired of his inconsistently and head games. 

RBuck's picture

Seems like TP needs a refresher course in Tresselization 101.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

I think we all know the reason now why Tressel holds Pryor out of media events....   Pryor is not mature from a brain to mouth standpoint and he lets his emotions get the better of him.  I think this is why he has not been at his best on the road...  at least in the beginning of games.  He usually settles down in the 2nd half. 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Pryor seems to take backward steps at times, not only with his game but with how he handels himself.  I've been critical of TP at times but there aren't many I would rather have under center.  As upsetting as calling Herbie a "fake Buckeye" can be, I still want Pryor to have as much success as he possibly can while wearing the S&G.  That success includes maturing and learning how to handle himself as well as his passng game.

BacknBlack's picture

And another game passes where TP throws a tantrum to Coach on 4th and short (2nd Qtr) when the special teams is placed on the field. Oh and that call was the game winner. Stay in school TP, get your degree, break all the records just shut up and play! His mouth will be his legacy not his play.

jfunk's picture

So my (future) brother in law's nickname for Posey is T-rex now due to his inability to extend his arms. After Saturday's performance, I thought he deserved this:

 

Scotch: It may be too early to drink it, yes; but people it is never to early to think about it.

MirrorLakeJump's picture

I wish players would just put their energy into the game instead of running their mouths.

On the Twitter side, I wonder how long it will be before some well-known peoples' tweets get hijacked by the security issues with Twitter and Facebook. A college campus would be ripe for this.

TLB's picture

Well done.  I am sure you are all thankful, but I only have one thing to add about Pryor.

Please stop giving him a pass for being 20 years old.  He has been around the media for at least 5 years and should know when he says something it is going to get some play.  

Leanenaud's picture

I'm happy with Pryor. At times he's inconsitent, but who isn't on this team. People get down on thier knees for him when he wins convincingly, but if he struggles people start hurling insults. He's in college to become a better player, and if you look at his stats they only continue to get better over time. Would you rather have Bauserman in? I'm glad he's coming back next year and I foresee a pretty damn good senior year from him. As far as tweeting and saying the wrong things: I'd be pissed off and forget my filter now again if I was being scrutinzed and judged as much as he is. I know you need to keep it under control, but he's still a kid.

btalbert25's picture

Pryor won inspite of the receivers.  He threw some really good balls that they just couldn't handle.  The first INT came after a long pass was dropped, and a facemask was missed. If the catch is made , he never throws that ball to begin with.  The dropped TD is exactly why Posey will never be  drafted high this year.  He needs to learn how to catch the damn ball.

As for Pryor's meltdown, I'm assuming it was after they didn't go for it on forth and goal from the one.  Which, I know damn well from comments that people make on this site all the time, you all were bitching about too.  In fact, some would say that was being a good leader venting frustration over not going for it when the team would/should have gotten 7 instead of 3. 

There's no way Pryor is a punk as some put it.  Maybe he has the tendancy to run his mouth a bit, but he is the unquestionable leader of this team.  Tressel loves the kid and trusts him.  There's no way that if were a problem, he'd be starting.  He has been held away from the media at times, but never has he been in Tressel's dog house.  He works hard, he's a good team mate and the coaches and players have never been critical or negative toward him.  He makes some comments sometimes big deal.  He ripped Herbie, who cares, half or more of the people on here do it every day.  He told the haters to Shut theh F up.  I agree.  I don't think he's talking about haters toward him, he's talking about the fans that complain and bitch about this team that, Oh yeah has only lost 1 game.  He's right.  If you can't be happy with a 10-1 team, then you'll never be happy.  I love TP, and I have read a lot of really ignorant things written about him.  I've heard crazy stuff said about him in the stands and on the radio.  I have to wonder if they guy looked a little different if some of these questions would be made or if we would be saying he's a great leader.  Because many thought that when Tebow was in people's faces on the sideline screaming like an idiot, that showed why he was great. 

Colin's picture

Finally someone I agree with, and I don't even love TP that much. I just know he's going to give us a great shot to win every game and that he is a good kid, in the Cam Newton or Jeramiah Mesoli sense of the word...as he is never getting into trouble.

If people criticized me that much I'd be angry a lot too.

Kansas City Buckeye's picture

I never thought of it like that, and I agree with you 100%.  If that was Tebow, every network and fan would praising his "fiery leadership."  Instead the emo fanbase we have wants a reason to complain. 

Lets focus on hate week.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Rippin' Herbie was a stupid move by TP and I think that at this point TP would agree.  I have no issue with TP trying to get in Shugarts face for the false starts or yelling at Posey for the t-rex arm drops, but he shouldn't publicly call out any of his coaches. I'm sure race has everything to do with it (bullsh*t) because we all hated Troy Smith and we all loved Zwick. 

Matt's picture

To be fair, I loved Zwick until I discovered that he sucked ass.

btalbert25's picture

I guess I just don't ever remember Pryor going to the media and criticizing his coach.  Showing disappointment for not going for it on 4th and goal from the one to me is not calling out your coach.  As I said, many many people on here have been pissed at Tressel for not doing it.  Over and again.  I just get so tired of all the criticism of the kid.  Like it or not, he's one of the best QB's in college football in terms of stats, athletecism, and success.  If his legacy is his mouth it's because that's what people want to remember him by.  The fact of the matter is, the kid has never been given credit for his success by this fan base.  I don't know why, but the fans have never warmed up to this kid, even before people didn't like certain comments that he's made, which at many different schools with different fan bases no one would even care about.

I do remember as Troy was coming up, people questioning his intelligence and whether he'd be a good QB or not, or just a so called athlete playing QB.  No one ever questioned if Zwick was smart enough to play QB, it just became apparent that he was not a good QB. 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

He throws temper tantrums on the field and sidelines. I don't really see him getting in his team's face when they mess up and I don't think anyone would have a problem with him doing that. That's the difference between Tebow's praise (I never praised Tebow!) and the why folks are criticizing what Terrelle does. I wasn't referring to TP criticizing his coaches to the media but to him throwing tantrums on the field and yelling at his coaches on the sidelines in full view of the camera/fans/etc. Maybe it was deserved, maybe the coaches called sh*t for plays, but he should wait to yell (at the coaches) behind closed doors.

I get tired of the race card being pulled. First ESPN says LeBron's new found hate in Cleveland is because of race and now someone is saying people don't like Pryor because of race? BS! Pryor has come a long way from his Vick comments but with TP coming out after a loss and saying we win 9 out of 10 times after getting our arses handed to us, combined with the fits he throws on the field DURING the game and the latest with him calling Herbie a "fake Buckeye" and calling out "haters" (ala LeBron) on Twitter? C'mon, race has nothing to do with it. We want a solid, strong character guy under center for this team and I want Pryor to be that. I think we all want Pryor to be that. His actions cause me to have doubts nothing else. 

I only questioned Troy's character when he got in trouble and believe that if he wouldn't have sat out in the spring we would have beaten Texas. My point in bringing up Troy is that every single Buckeye, white, black, asian, etc...loves Troy. And if you haven't noticed Troy is black. And if the 49ers coaching staff could actually put an offensive game plan together Troy would be 3-0 as a starter.

btalbert25's picture

I agree everyone loves Troy after the Heisman, but it wasn't just an overnight love affair with him, but when I hear people say he doesn't have the gray matter to be a QB, and he's throwing to a double covered Posey instead of a wide open White guy Sanzenbacher, you can't tell me some of the hate for Pryor doesn't have to do with race.  I'm not saying all of it, but anyway, That's a different topic for a different day I guess, and in Ohio if you mention that, it's automatically scoffed at and called BS. I'm not calling you out, I'm just saying there are those out there who believe this and it's obvious from comments on here and in the stands at games.   I'm not black, and I've never had the pressure of a College QB.  But being both brings a whole different type of pressure because you will always have those people who believe he'd be better as a Wide Receiver(a position his kind is suited for). 

All I know is, the Mike Vick comments made him sound stupid, though I don't think they were as bad as some made them out to be.  I had no problem with the Wisconsin comments, and I believe Ohio State is a better team.  Sour Grapes?  probably, but does it really matter if he said that or not?  The Herbie comment,  probably not great, but it's not going to change anything for Herbie.  I expect they probably know eachother very well and that will be something that gets confronted.  Every week I see other QB's in college and the NFL on the sidelines pissed when their coaches don't go for it on 4th and short.  I saw that someone said that FG was the game winning play, but if they dont' score that late TD, they lose because they went for 3 and not 7, and everyone would be on here calling for Tressel's head.  If he were a cancer or dsitraction we would all know by now.  He is never in trouble academically, he works harder than anyone else, he wants the TEAM to succeed, and he's never given a stripper fake money or taken money from a booster.  He vents when he gets frustrated, I'll take that as a flaw I guess.

poguemahone's picture

I'm not sure I agree with everything you're saying, but I will agree that at least some of the criticism of TP seems to have an ugly racial component to it. Not the majority, of course, but there is a unique strain of questioning his maturity, his intelligence, whether or not he should even be playing QB, etc., that I haven't seen with players like say, Todd Boeckman. 

TLB's picture

Have to disagree with you on this one.  Questioning whether or not he has the skills to play QB has nothing to do with race.  Neither does maturity.  Intelligence, maybe, but probalby not.  It has more to do with seeing the same errors over and over.

Unfortunately, this blog wasn't around when Bellisari tried to play QB.  It may have sounded very familiar.

Just because someone does not like the way the guy plays does not mean they are racist.  It means they have an opinion that differs from yours.  Some agree, some do not.  But we all want to the Bucks to win and dominate.

 

Luke's picture

I'd agree if not for being in school during the '04 debacle and hearing kids playing beer pong casually drop the n-word towards Smith and declare their allegiance to untested 3rd string backup Todd Boeckman. It's a small, sad minority, but they're definitely out there.

poguemahone's picture

This. It did not end with Smith. I specifically recall similar instances following the Purdue debacle last year.

AJ's picture

so does that mean that the Coach Tress haters are racist too?...im not buying into it...if people think TP will never be a stand in the pocket playing on sunday quaterback...why does that make them racist?...cant it just mean that they think hes not the type of QB nfl teams want? im sure you are right to a certain point...maybe there are racist tOSU fans...but i mean cmon...how can you be a racist football fan?...most of the players are black...i dunno maybe i just dont want to believe it...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

robert goulet's picture

I take extraordinary issue with this post.  If this blog were around for the Bellisari era, it would have been far more negative.

BucksfanXC's picture

And dear god, remember Stanley Jackson v. Joe Jermaine? Awful times in tOSU history, our fans can be just awful.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

TLB's picture

lol.......Robert Goulet

poguemahone's picture

At no point in that post did I equate disapproving of the way TP plays to racism. I said a small percentage of TP's haters' comments have a racial component that cannot be ignored.  There are plenty of valid criticisms of TP that have absolutely nothing to do with race. 

JakeBuckeye's picture

In my completely honest opinion, its a subliminal thing. No matter what kind of stats TP puts up (he's putting up great stats this year), unless he is as close to perfect as possible throwing the ball there will be those who think "He's black, he can't throw." They just leave out the "He's black" part when talking to others. Like you, I think its a small component, but a component none-the-less. Its completely stupid to complain about Pryor on the field this year.

btalbert25's picture

That's all I was trying to say really. Most of the negativity toward him is becaue way too many people put way too much stock into what some so called experts projected he would do based on how he dominated a high school division.  Lots of players don't live up to that hype.  It wasn't meant to be OHIO STATE FANS QBs HATE BLACK QBs. 

I'll defend TP as a QB any day.  He's makes mistakes sure, but most do.  He makes plays too, a lot of them that most players in the country have no chance at making.  He vents frustration, but he's not a cancer on the sideline, field, or locker room.  We would all know that by now.  I think when it's all said and done any reasonable fan will look at his career and say damn how why didn't we all respect what he was doing on the field more than this? 

At the same time, there are a lot of fans that aren't happy with Tressel and his ability to coach, so if Tressel and his success can't make fans happy, there is no way TP and his success are going to. 

RBuck's picture

I don't think it has anything at all due to the color of his skin...I think it's his mouth and keyboard. Besides, no one in their right mind would want Bauserman as the starting QB.: I and all of you would want Guiton if TP went down. It's an emotional maturity issue. ...mouth engages before brain...Period.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

You didn't see people question wether Boeck's should be playing QB?  I think the majority of fans wanted to see TP, not Boeckman.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I like TP, don't get me wrong.  I want TP to be our QB.  Maybe I'm being petty and need to let go of all this.  Maybe I'd feel different if Troy Smith had a twitter account when he was QB and that would have set my expectations a little lower.

Denny's picture

. . . because Troy would have said the same things as Pryor? 

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I don't know.  I doubt it.  I just know that from what I remember of Troy (after the trouble) he set a pretty good example in how he spoke to the public and with how he conducted himself.  Maybe twitter would have done him in.

Matt's picture

Do the vast majority of OSU fans view TP's shortcomings as a QB differently in light of his race?  Probably not. 

Will a certain limited subset of ignorant fans always view the world according to ill-conceived notions of race?  Unfortunately, yes. 

Are rhetorical questions obnoxious?  Yes. 

What about questions that one asks oneself and then quickly provides the answer?  Yes, that too. 

Did that girl on the subway this morning find me attractive?  No. 

Then why did she keep staring at me?  Because at that point you had stared at her for two minutes straight and were creeping her out. 

I'm sorry, did you forget that I bought new pants last week and she was most likely checking out my new awesome pants?  No, I didn't forget, because I can't erase the searing image from my mind of just how awful those pants look on you.

...

Do you say mean things to me to hurt my feelings? 

Absolutely. 

dmurder's picture

TP is alright in my book.

A. He is still young, and there has only been one other comment from him "vick comment" that I can recall. But, we can focus on the negative, I have heard a lot of postive comments, that no one will bring up.

B. Protect herbie all you want, but the dude is not on my QB level? Never was. Hebie needs to show some love at times, even if you are a anyalst.

C. This game could have been, should have been not as close! Cory brown catch the football, Posey geez dude you are killing me! 2 td's right there, say what you want about pryor but he throw some deep balls that should have been caught! Granted cory brown looked like his head was gettting ripped off!

"We have always had the best damn band in the land, now we have the best damn team in the land"- Jim Tressel 1-03-03

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

Here's my feeling on Pryor - yeah, he isn't as good as most of us thought he would be by now. I think that is fair.  ALso, he shouldn't have tweeted what he said.

However, like others defending him here, I don't think any of his actions are truly terrible in comparison to what other people have done, like Newton or Masoli.  Players, and all humans, are allowed to make mistakes.  His was venting frustration, not robbing a gas station in Knoxville, etc.

And as a QB, while he hasn't lived up to the hype, I'm glad he is our QB.  I mean, how many QBs have we had over the last 20 yrs or so would you take over him: Troy - certainly.  I could see an argument for Germaine or Hoying, and maybe even KK because he was such a winner.  But really, in context, TP is on of the best Qbs we have had in a long while. Just because he's not a Hall of famer doesn't mean he stinks.  We just need to reevaluate what we expect of  him.  Its only in comparison to his hype that he hasn't played well.

btalbert25's picture

I agree that it's fair to say he hasn't lived up to some unattainable expectations that his hype brought him, but those expectations were too lofty for any kid to live up to.  His first year was rocky, the 2nd year had some pretty terrible moments, but this year he has been damn good.  As you said, who other than Troy has been better than him the last 20 years?  Cases can be made for others, but the total package, I don't think you beat Pryor.  He certainly has won games that those guys couldn't because of how gifted he is athletically.

SilverBullet33's picture

Where can I find the days since scUM beat OSU?  How many now?

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

BEAT MICHIGAN. Nothing else matters. Everything else is irrelivant.

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Shugarts false starts so often that when he does, the entire stadium should chant SHUUUUUUUUUU

Similar to BOOOOOOOOOO when Herron rumbles for 15.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Maybe this will date me, but I take these silly "tweets" with a grain of salt. Look, I know that they're as PUBLIC as communication can get, but they don't FEEL that way to the "senders" or "readers" (or whatever technoslang terminology by which the parties to this newfangled form of communication are labelled). It just feels like casual communication that invites trash talking.

I look at tweets similar to how I would look at something TP said in a pickup basketball game, if I were lucky enough to ever get dunked on by him.

The persons who most seem to overvalue the seriousness of tweets are traditional media members (newspapers, television), who should know better, since they continually argue that old school print/broadcast journalism operates on a much higher plane than electronic media (thus including the tweets-shere, if such a thing exists).

It's different than when McGloin made some overlapping comments about Herbstreit (seemingly not understanding Herby's role as an analyst) in FORMAL interviews. 

In other words: Chill_Homies@ It's just a tweet.  

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Pryor (@Tpeeze2) took to Twitter to lambast his critics. First: Talk is cheap none of you haters could fit my shoes w ten socks on. Bums. Go Bucks. And later: Heard Kirk herbstreit was dogging us. He a fake buckeye. Fake as hell.

Finally found the TP tweet everyone was up in arms about. Found it on a Michigan Blog.

JakeBuckeye's picture

You do realize those tweets that you "finally" found were quoted in the very post you are commenting on...

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Suuuuure I did? Not sure why I thought they were missing