Thursday Skull Session

By Alex on October 21, 2010 at 6:00a

 Adding Impatience To Injury Ken Gordon informs us that not only did the team have to make the trek back to Columbus after getting their behinds whooped in Madison, but they had to wait a while to get back. Apparently, the charter company who runs the plane the Bucks were supposed to fly back, booked the same exact air craft to fly the Hawkeyes back from TSUN to Iowa City. The Iowa-UM game was a 3:30 contest, so in reality, if all went smooth, it shouldn't have been an issue with the Bucks game ending after 10. But flights never run smoothly, and of course the plane was late getting to Wisco. As if the team wasn't mad enough, I'm surprised the dispatcher for the charter flight made it out alive! 

 Payback is a B*tch The Dispatch goes into discussion about what Purdue is walking into. Not only do the Bucks want revenge from Purdue Harbor last season, but coming off a loss, they are going to be hungry to get out and prove a point Saturday. Purdue blog, Hammer and Rails, previews the game here, saying the Boilers could pull the upset again, but I'm sorry, even with two "starting" defenders out, I think the Bucks cover the 23 points. Yes, we have a lot to work on, but the Purdue line isn't anything close to Wisco's and same things go for their running backs and special teams. I think you see a hungry Cam Heyward notch two sacks this weekend and Andrew Sweat play another solid game in place of Ross Homan.

 And you thought Joe was looking back on Purdue Our own Joe flashes back at the opponent each week and this week was no different, as we featured the 1982 match-up between OSU and the Boilermakers. While that game is definitely a throwback, Jack Park goes even further back, recounting the 1940 game. Park continues to amaze me every time I read his stuff and his memory truly is a vault of Ohio State football. Definitely an interesting read. 

 Oh Latwan! If you missed it yesterday, it appears Latwan Anderson is leaving "Da U". Anderson, who played at Glenville last season, originally committed to West Virginia before taking a track scholarship at Miami to play football (no football schollies left---I smell a new rule coming to the NCAA). Anderson supposedly wanted to be a Buckeye, but his offer was contingent upon grades and off-the-field behavior. He must've not passed the grade or didn't live up to standards satisfying Tress, because  Latwan was publicly not happy about how things went down. Unlike his attitude, there is no questioning his talent, which Miami players Travis Benjamin and Brandon Harris talk up in this article about Anderson's departure. Also in the article, Randy Shannon insists that Anderson is just leaving the team for track purposes, a move trying to cover up bad recruiting publicity if I've ever seen one. Anderson has spent the past few weeks complaining about the Miami coaching staff on Facebook and Twitter, so I'm pretty sure it's not just because of track. I know a lot of Buckeye fans are willing to give L.A. a second chance. I personally see Ray Small 2.0 here and don't want him anywhere near the program. No matter how talented he is and how bad Orhian Johnson continues to look at safety.

 Stuck on 17 Speaking of recruiting, the OSU class of 2011 still stands at 17 members. While it is a quality 17 members, things have been quiet on the commitment front since August. The Buckeyes are waiting to hear back from a few studs, mostly on the defensive side of the ball. Those players include LB Connor Crowell (announcing November 5 between OSU and PSU), LB Anthony Wallace, LB Ejuan Price (down to Iowa and OSU), DB Doran Grant (favors OSU and MSU), DB Jabari Gorman (down to OSU, Miami, and Alabama), OT Aundrey Walker (Bucks in top five), WR/KR Shane Wynn (OSU in top five), and DE Jadevon Clowney (OSU in top four). Others on the fringe are WR/ATH Darius Jennings, S Damiann Swan, QB Cardale Jones, LB Andre Sturdivant, and WR/DB Darius Patton.

In addition to those high school stars the Bucks are recruiting three JuCo players. Those include former Buckeyes Duron Carter and Keith Wells, as well as Cornelius "Tank" Carradine. Carradine is a 6-4/230 defensive end/linebacker, who originally committed to Illinois in the class of 2008. Carradine always wanted to be a Buckeye, but his grades kept him out of Columbus and apparently out of Champaign as well. Carradine is currently ranked as the #2 JuCo player in the nation and would provide a nice boost to the linebacking corps or defensive line.

 One Last Mention of the Wisco Game I know you don't want to hear it, and this would have been 10-times cooler if we actually won, but the Bucks sure did jump around! Check out the video below, courtesy of Scouting Ohio.


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E-roc's picture

E-roc Poll (11W is welcome to re-post if they want to):

With a team boasting so many 3, 4 and 5-star recruits and athletes, plenty of starters on both sides of the ball, and a supposed Heisman contender, why is this team not meeting fan-expectations?

  • Coaching - this includes both play-calling, strategies/schemes and player development.
  • Leadership - TP and Cam don't have everyone on the same page regardless of what the media leads us to believe.
  • Player Execution - practice? Maybe they need more of it.
  • Player Attitude - arguably, this would/could be a reflection of coaching, right?
  • Injury & Classroom Bugs - this poll question is moot with healthy & eligible Barnett, Moeller, Marcus Hall, etc...
  • Simply Overrated - Let's be honest, did this team's Rose Bowl success against an AVERAGE Oregon team really mean anything? Since then, W's v. Marshall, Ohio Jr., EMU, an also overrated U...., and the Illinois Fighting

My vote is for coaching for the following reasons: 1) ShortBus special teams. 2) Bollman's irrelevant offensive offensive line development. Go take notes from Wisky, Iowa and BOISE STATE please. 3) Play-calling & lack of adjustments in big games feels like a "dear god I hope it works" approach. 4) 2002/2003 was so 2002/2003. Welcome to the present.

cal3713's picture

How about "this is the way it will be almost every season for ever" as a reason?

Teams just rarely go undefeated over the course of 13 games.  This is reality and it will be for the rest of your life.  I don't care if you're a Texas, Bama, Florida, OK, or OSU fan.  You'll always have superior talent and still won't be able to win every game.  This is fact. 

This is amature sport.  Teams made up of 19 and 20 year olds change and grow.  Sometimes they forget and regress.  They do not just play lights out every week.  They're learning, and that brings errors and periodic shit performances.  This is what makes it so interesting and fun to watch every year.

iball's picture

So true. Contradicting my own recent opinoins, OSU at the time, was the first team in CFB history to go 14-0, hell of an accomplishment.

The problem is, with the national perspective of the B10, with 1 loss we are about as likely to make the MNC as Boise St. Especially when Wisky goes out and shits the bed again this year. Which I fully expect them to do. maybe this week. Big letdown week for them.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

tomcollins's picture

I would just like to see our offensive and defensive lines hold their own against non-creampuffs.  Is that too much to ask?

poguemahone's picture

Offensive line? Maybe.

Defensive line? You're reaching. This defensive line has dominated nearly every game these last two seasons, and didn't get seriously pushed around until last Saturday night. 

Denny's picture

You left out the most relevant option: fan expectations are fucking absurd.


E-roc's picture

While I agree that expectations are absurd 99% of the time, getting blown out 21-0 for the first third of game is not an absurb expectation. Amirite?

Secondarily, I'll give you the ultimate counter-examples for going undefeated: 1) Boise State. 2) TCU. Is Wisky better or worse than Oregon State & VaTech?

In context of my poll, "why isn't this team meeting expectations", I was merely attempting to highlight the hole(s) in the armor which frustrates the fans, aka INVESTORS, (who support this program with their wallets, purses and pocketbooks) the most. 

Bucksfan's picture

E-ROC, just because you spend $20,000 on your Ohio State shrine every year doesn't make you more deserving of a national championship or undefeated season.  It can even be said that following sports is a completely worthless endeavor, and being a psycho fan is an even more worthless way to spend your money and time.  That's because you staring at some flashing LED lights in your living room, or even sitting in the stands, has absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the game in any way shape or form.

The true hole in the armor is that this is supposed to be a fun way to spend your Saturdays, win or lose.  21-3 at halftime was no fun, but seeing the team claw back to 21-18 was frickin' exhilarating.  I almost kicked my drink over several times.  They came up short, but they did show some life in the face of adversity.  They won 6 times so far and lost that respect they have certainly given me more to cheer about than not.

It is psychotic to expect the same thing every year and have it turn out different.  When your team is a top program, but still only has a 6% chance of it being a year for a national championship, you need to reevaluate what you expect to happen if it irritates you when they lose a game.

Pam's picture

I invest in the stock market. I have done quite well for the  most part, but I have also taken some major hits.  I invest in the Buckeyes too, for the most part I have done quite well, but have also taken some hits.  It's called risk.  Both the market and the Buckeyes are risks I am willing to take because while the hits hurt, the good times are worth it.  Buy a ticket, a t-shirt, throw the AD some cash, but don't ever expect that you are owed anything for having done so. 

buckeye33's picture

What surprises me, is that with a senior laden team & extremely thin at most positions ( exception QB's & RB's) , along with Tressell's willingness to play the best players, that these talented 5 star recruits do not jump at the chance to play for tOSU ?

RBuck's picture

Yep, a lot of immediate playing time possibilities for incoming Frosh. This has got to help recruiting..or does it?

Long live the southend.

boilerupat's picture

So our line isn't that good? I guess we will find out Saturday now won't we. Go ahead, write us off as an easy victory that is just how we like it.

iball's picture


“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

German Buckeye's picture

I'm not thinking that - we know what your D line did to us last season; we also clearly have a good half season of watching the up/down success of our own O and D lines.  I don't know any honest Buckeye fan who thinks Saturday is a gimme....

Colin's picture

No disrespect to Cam but he hasn't registered a full sack the whole season and against some of the worst teams in the FBS. He's always hungry but hasn't been able to get to the QB. I'd be hesitant to say he'll get 2, let alone 1. I'm always hopeful though...

German Buckeye's picture

This year's team is a victim of media sensationalism.  We also played a patsy schedule this year.  We are not as good as most Buckeye fans believe.  We simply do not execute.  I don't blame coaches - they arent on the field making the plays happen.  I'm pretty sure whatever offensive play or defensive scheme called, if executed violently and to standard, would produce better results than seen thus far. 

boilerupat's picture

Your team is extremely talented and well coached. Playing in Columbus is formidable for many reasons. By all accounts, OSU should win this game rather handily. But, I would never say any Big Ten game is an easy victory. I bet we come to play, and it won't be easy. Yes, you will and should prevail in the end, but if there wasn't a chance then why do we play the game?

BucksfanXC's picture

Absolutely agree on all accounts. Nice avatar also.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Brady's picture

No Big Ten game is ever an easy victory.  Ohio st. had better be ready to play and have a lot of respect for your D line.  I still have nightmares about Ryan Kerrigan from last year.


thePhilipJFry's picture

I think you are selling your Boilers short.  They took some hits injury-wise and have come out with a different offense.  Purdue ran it down the throat of two big ten defenses, and the best way to beat Ohio State is to control the ball with long drives that end in touchdowns.  If Purdue can get up over 4 yards per carry and don't fall behind early the upset could be reality.

Bieterman's picture

The one thing the video doesn't show is the lack of jumping on Wisconsin's side of the field. Take it as a good or bad thing, but their players feet were on the ground. I was jumping in the stands, mainly because this was right in the middle of our big 8 point drive...

cal3713's picture

By the way, for those who complain about Tresel only winning a NC with Cooper's recruits.  This is actually a national trend, not just a Tressel thing.  5 of the winners over the past 9 years have done so with another person's recruits.  And, in case you didn't notice, Tressel is in good company.

Bob Stoops – hired 1999, NC – 2000

Jim Tressel – hired 2000, NC – 2002

Urban Meyer – hired 2004, NC – 2006

Les Miles – hired 2005, NC – 2007

Nick Saban – hired 2007, NC – 2009

Perhaps it has something to do with your competition learning and adjusting to your strategy...

dmurder's picture

I think this football team is damn good, we act like we have lost 3 games. (florida)

Geez...we didn't show up, right away allowed our special teams to screw up. (it was bound to cost us a game), and by the way we got outcoached.

Wisky is a good football team, don't sell them short. (great players, and coaches)

I won't be suprised if they beat Iowa, we all have tape of the Arizona game.

Give the OC at wisky a week he is a genius!

"We have always had the best damn band in the land, now we have the best damn team in the land"- Jim Tressel 1-03-03

btalbert25's picture

Totally agree.  Coming into the season, didn't everyone circle that game as the one we could/had the best chance of losing?  I heard that all off season long.  Iowa is going to be tough too, but c'mon.  Sometimes teams lose.  Wisconsin's loan loss was to an undefeated team.  They had to win that game saturday to stay alive in the Big 10 hunt.  The gave the Buckeyes their best shot and it was better.  This team came out looking like they were intimidated by the night crowd in Madison. 

Isn't the "Average" Oregon team that Ohio State beat last year, more or less the same team that is number 1 right now?  The next 2 weeks will be good time to lick wounds and gain some confidence again.  Last week's game can very much be the turning point, much like Purdue was last year.  The pressure is off, and there is nothing to lose now.

btalbert25's picture

National Title wise I mean.  Geeze, I also meant Wisconsin's "lone" loss

E-roc's picture

BUCKSFAN, you've successfully put me in my place. Congratulations.

Go Bucks.