Catching up with Kirk Herbstreit

By Alex on August 31, 2010 at 12:00p
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Handsome as hell. Just like every Buckeye quarterback.

Many Buckeye greats are known for their work on the field while they played for Ohio State. One individual however, despite being a team captain, is better known across America for his work post-football. We of course, are talking about ESPN's best (at least in our eyes) college football analyst, Kirk Herbstreit.

Herbstreit, or Herbie as he is known as around these parts, has often been criticized for not being a Buckeye-homer on the air, and even accused by some as hating on his alma mater on national telvision. The Centerville native caught wind of that this spring and went on a mission to set the record straight. Bleeding scarlet and gray as a second generation Buckeye captain, Kirk took the time during spring practice to talk to various media outlets, as well as the team as a whole to express his love for Ohio State and deflect any whispers that he was anti-OSU.

As we approach the college football season, we here at Eleven Warriors finally got our chance to sit down with Herbie to discuss his experience of talking to the team earlier in the year, his thoughts on the 2010 Buckeyes, whether or not he thinks Terrelle Pryor can play in the NFL one day and much, much more.

What do you feel is Ohio State's biggest weakness heading into the season?

I think physically, this potentially could be one of the more talented teams Coach Tressel has had if you're just looking at the team on paper. You start with Terrelle and you work your way around with the offensive line and the backs, led by Brandon and Boom, and then you look at the receivers, and I know there are some concerns from the people who aren't familiar with the potential candidates, but if you look at what Posey and Sanzenbacher can do. I think Taurian Washington, Corey Brown, Chris Fields -- they're loaded at wide receiver in my opinion. I think they're going to be better top to bottom at receiver than they've been in the last few years, once people have a chance to see what some of these younger receivers can do. Even with the loss of Duron Carter, I think they're going to be okay out there.

I think offensively everything looks in order, and I think defensively, you could say maybe there are some potential concerns at safety, but I just don't see them. But getting back to your question, the big thing I have there is how do they gel? How do they grow as a team? And are the intangibles going to be able to surface and are they going to become a real team instead of a bunch of talented individuals? I think if this team gets great chemistry, then I think they're going to be a really, really dangerous team and I think they will be favored in every game they play this year.

Now, will they run the table? Will they win every game? That's where I go back to the x-factor in championship seasons is whether or not teams can grow and become a unit. I think last year was a great example. I think they were searching for it and maybe it took a loss to Purdue for them to find out who they were. If you think about their last three games and the way they won -- at Penn State, Iowa at home, and at Michigan -- it wasn't the prettiest but I think it really created a lot of confidence, so by the time they went out to Pasadena they were kind of a machine at that point. My hope for them is that they find that early in the year and maybe playing a powerhouse like Miami can be just the thing to help them grow together as a team.

Speaking of Pryor, how has playing quarterback in college changed since the days that you played?

Terrelle has had such unrealistic expectations his first couple of years after being such highly touted and heavily recruited. I think people anticipated him just walking in and being Vince Young, the finished product at Texas. So I think what he has faced is something very few quarterbacks have ever faced, these unrealistic expectations to make every decision and every play perfect. I think he's felt that a little bit. I think he's performed pretty well, all things considered, considering he was a true freshman and true sophomore trying to compete at a very high level.

I think the game has changed the most for these quarterbacks today versus when I was playing 20 years ago is the complexity of the defenses that they face week-in and week-out. The zone pressures and the diversity of how defenses try to slow you down I think is very, very unique and very different, and I think a guy like Terrelle Pryor is doing a pretty good job of getting to the point now where the game is gong to slow down for him and I think he's going to go out there and have a big year. For him, it's never been about physical ability. It's about gaining experience, making better decisions, and making quicker decisions, and then having great footwork and throwing an accurate pass. For him, it's all been about growth in the decision-making process and then the fundamentals. After two years of being around Coach Tressel, I think you'll find him in his junior and senior year really start to take over football games, much like Troy Smith did his last couple of years.

What do you think he needs to do now to prove to NFL scouts that he can play quarterback at the next level and do you believe that he will be a starting quarterback in the NFL one day?

You know, it remains to be seen from me. I'm one of these guys that's so focused on the college game, and with all due respect, I wish him success going on to the NFL, but I really don't care. I love college quarterbacks and I love guys trying to be team guys and win championships. The worst thing he can do is start to listen to critics or listen to what it takes to become a great NFL quarterback. Tim Tebow is a great example of that last year. I think it really affected Florida's growth as an offense because they got so much outside pressure to build an offense to help Tebow show NFL scouts what he could do by staying in the pocket and being under center that I think it kind of affected where Florida was and what they wanted ultimately to do, which was take advantage of his ability to run the football.

I think it would be a colossal mistake to take away Terrelle Pryor's ability to run the football just because he wants to show NFL scouts that he can throw. Look at Sam Bradford, Tebow and these guys. Your personal workout, your combine workout is all you need to be able to show these guys whether or not you have the goods to physically get under center and make a throw in the NFL. Go out and win games. If you want to get drafted high, don't listen to your critics. Do whatever it takes to win games. If it means running the ball, then run the ball. If it means throwing the ball, then throw it. But don't try to put on a rehearsal for NFL scouts and GMs by trying to adjust your game to what you think the NFL wants you to be. Go out and play your game. They want a winner. The intangibles and the mental and physical toughness and the decision-making -- that's what they really are looking at.

If I were him, I wouldn't worry about "I better sit in the pocket and not scramble". Just do what you see, make your reads and let the game take you wherever it goes. I think you're going to see a lot more of that because of the growth and what he's gone through the last two years.

Switching topics to expansion, what's your opinion of Nebraska joining the Big Ten?

Outstanding. Huge coup for the Big Ten. I don't think Big Ten fans, and this includes Ohio State fans, fully have an appreciation yet as to what Nebraska is going to bring to the conference. Right now, if we're buying stock, they would be a stock you would be buying. They are on their way back to being dominant once again led by Bo Pelini, a former Ohio State captain, and I think their tradition, their facilities, the fanbase, everything that they have to offer, is going to instantly put them in the upper tier of the Big Ten. If you put Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Iowa in one conference, that's as good as you can hope for. That right there is impressive and can strong with any teams in any conference year-in and year-out.

I really hope that Big Ten fans will embrace Nebraska. I'm talking about a fanbase that if you don't sell out your stadium, they're going to sell it out. They're much like Ohio State fans in the way that they travel and follow their team. They are sensational, classy, they're great people and I think it's a perfect fit with the culture in Lincoln and Omaha and what the Big Ten has to offer. I congratulate Jim Delany on that and think it's outstanding.

Do you think the Big Ten will add more teams soon, and if so, who would you like to see added?

Captain Kirk

I think this is step one. I think in the next four or five years, you're going to see a few more steps. I don't think Jim Delany is done. By the time it's all said and done, you're probably going to see this thing go up to 16 teams. I still think this is all about the Big Ten Network. I think they're trying to get into markets towards the East Coast. Of course we've heard a lot about Manhattan, trying to get into New York City. I still think they're going to try to go south to Atlanta as a possibility, maybe a Georgia Tech. I think the obvious other teams are the ones you always hear talked about in the Big East and they're players, but I don't think this thing is even close to being done. And not just for the Big Ten, but across the country. I think you're still going to see [activity from] the Pac-10 and the Big 12, and the SEC, and the ACC/Big East.

I think everybody is going to go to war over these next four or five years and eventually I think you'll have four or five mega-conferences. A lot of it is driven by these conferences wanting their own network and trying to get big markets, so they can go to advertisers and say "Look how many millions of people we have in our reach". That's why the Pac-10 went to Salt Lake City and Denver. Granted Colorado and Utah play pretty good football, but think about what they inherited with all of the homes by the Pac-10 getting into those markets. That's really what this expansion is as much about as anything. That, and money.

I just hope that we're still standing strong and still a vibrant sport -- not just college football, but intercollegiate athletics, when the dust settles and we're standing here five years from now looking back at what the conferences did.

What about divisions and a potential Ohio State-Michigan split. How would you like to see things unfold on that front?

I think it's crazy to even talk about splitting Ohio State and Michigan up and putting them in two separate divisions with the possibility of having two Ohio State-Michigan games. It's very easy. Look at the SEC and use them as a blueprint for how to get it done. Alabama-Auburn has as much tradition as any in college football and they stay in the same division and play that game at the end of the year, with the winner of that game typically going to the SEC Championship, which in that region and that part of the country is bigger than going to the BCS national title. And it's as big, if not bigger today, going back to the 70s, 80s and 90s, so it can be done and you have to keep Ohio State and Michigan in the same division. You have to be able to play that as the last game at the end of the year.

"I think it's crazy to even talk about splitting Ohio State and Michigan up and putting them in two separate divisions with the possibility of having two Ohio State-Michigan games."

You have to, as you move forward with this new wave of realignment, you absolutely have to hold on to some of your great traditional rivalries. They can't go anywhere, but you also have to look forward to start some new rivalries. Imagine Nebraska on a field with Ohio State, Nebraska and Michigan, Nebraska and Penn State, every year, getting those types of games. Some great new rivalries will be started, but I think you take the big six: Nebraska, Wisconsin and Iowa on one side, with Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State on the other, and what you do with the other six is fine, you separate them however you like. You have to separate the first six and go from there and I think eventually that's what is most likely to happen.

I think the notion of separating Ohio State and Michigan and playing that game in October and then playing it again in a championship game is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

There seems to be a little bit of an improvement in the overall national perception of the Buckeyes and the Big Ten based off of last season's bowl successes. Have you noticed that within the network and traveling around the country?

It's baby steps. When you have three or four lousy years in non-conference play as a conference and in the bowl games, you can't just have one great bowl season where you knock off four teams in the top fifteen including two BCS bowl games and say "Okay, now, people better respect the Big Ten". That's a great start, but now you have to back it up with Penn State playing well against Alabama down in Tuscaloosa. Ohio State has to play well against Miami. Arizona and Iowa: the Hawkeyes have to go out to Tucson and play well. You have these kind of games, you can't lose to the MAC consistently.

Sometimes I just feel like Big Ten fans are so myopic, that they just look at their team and when they are sitting in the stadium and hear that Michigan State is losing to Central Michigan or Michigan is losing to Appalachian State, they cheer and it's a great thing. And I want to ask them if they've ever been outside of the Great Lakes region because every time one of those Big Ten teams loses, Ohio State loses, the Big Ten loses. Even when Michigan loses one of those games, fans from Florida, USC, Texas and Oklahoma -- it might as well be Ohio State losing those games, and to me, you better be rooting as hard as you can if you want Ohio State to start getting more national respect and you want the Big Ten to get more national respect, you better start rooting for the Big Ten in every single non-conference they play and every single bowl game they play, because the way you turn around perception is you win games. That's it. That's all there is to it. And if you don't do that, then you're going to be looked at as "So, you won the Big Ten. Yay! Big deal! Our 7th place team from the SEC could win the Big Ten" and that's going to take time and a lot of wins to be able to change that, but it can happen.

Right, do you think the conference championship game will help the Big Ten?

Yeah, because it keeps you out in the forefront of the minds and gives you a big marquee game, probably in primetime, on that last Saturday of the season when the SEC or Big 12 typically have the last dance. Now the Big Ten will have an opportunity to send, arguably their two best teams every year, into a championship game. Even when Ohio State, or Penn State, or whoever -- a 13-0 team -- and their season ended in mid-November, two or three weeks later when these games are still being played in the last week of the year, people forget about them because they haven't seen them in so long, so so consequently it can have an impact on you in the polls. You want to stay out there and I think having a championship game late in the year will helpfully help the Big Ten.

Switching gears a bit, can you give us any insight on your new radio show this fall and also your event at the Shoe. We went last year and it was a great event despite UA getting a little beat-down from St. Thomas Aquinas.

Yeah, this is the fifth year for my high school event and every year it just keeps getting better and better. We moved it to the Shoe last year and it was met with an amazing response by the local community in the way they came out and supported their teams. That's really what I like to challenge people with. Whether you went to UA or you go to Reynoldsburg, or if you go to Dublin Coffman or Pickerington Central, or wherever you're from, the chance to showcase Ohio high school football and to come out and support these teams is great. I was really impressed with people not just coming out to watch their team, but coming out to watch all of the Columbus teams. It's more about the state of Ohio, though the last couple of years we've kind of focused on Central Ohio. Next year, we'll probably expand out a little and bring more teams in.

You've got Pickerington Central having a great opportunity. Cleveland Glenville is coming down to take on a really good team down in Florida, Dwyer, which will probably end up being a nationally-ranked team. Jack Nicklaus' grandson, who is one of the more highly-touted tight end prospects in the nation is on that team, so they're going to take on Glenville. We've got some great local matchups and some national games and I'm going to continue to do it. I love high school football, I believe in what it stands for and I think it's important to support it, and I will always do that.

"I grew up in the cold war era and I used to go to bed praying that if there was going to be a nuclear war to end the world, just let me go to Ohio State before it happened."

So, I'm looking forward to that, and then on The Fan, I haven't been on the radio in probably a year or year and a half, and I'm going to go back to doing a Monday show. It will be every Monday throughout the fall from noon to one with Bruce hooley and we're going to do one hour of college football talk. It's going to be Ohio State talk, it's going to be Big Ten talk, it's going to be the national scene, we're going to have some great guests and it's just going to be one of those shows that will just fly by.

Turning north, what do you think about Michigan this season and what does Rodriguez need to do to keep his job in Ann Arbor?

I don't think you can put a number on how many games he has to win. I think it's more one of those things where he just has to turn around the vibe of Michigan's program, where the fans are excited about the future with Rich leading them into the future. If that means finishing strong against some tough teams late in the year, maybe that's what it takes, but I think going into the season, the deck seems to be stacked against him. They're trying to break in a lot of new people and they have some injuries to deal with. I think this will probably be the most talented team he's had since he's been in Ann Arbor, but there's still a lot of youth in some key areas.

I think the most important thing for their season is to start fast and they have their hands full with UConn at home, who I think is a great team this year and then they go to Notre Dame. If he can start 2-0 against those opponents then that can really create some momentum and some confidence, but if they lose those games, it could get nasty there.

You were John Cooper's first recruit. Can you share a story about what he was like as a recruiter and that whole experience?

My dad played for Ohio State. He was a captain and I grew up a lifelong Buckeye fan. I grew up in the cold war era and I used to go to bed praying that if there was going to be a nuclear war to end the world, just let me go to Ohio State before it happened. I really -- that was all I cared about was playing for Ohio State. To be able to live out that dream, with Coach Cooper and his staff was great. For me, it wasn't always an easy road. There were some tough, tough times for me, but the thing I'm most proud of was being able to see it through and earning an opportunity to be a captain, just like my dad, and have a fun time during the time I was there and building some amazing relationships with a lot of people. A day doesn't go by where I don't think about how lucky I was that I went to Ohio State and how fortunate I am in the position I am in today with ESPN and ABC, I think about how without Ohio State in my background, I don't know if those doors open for me and it's something I take very seriously and don't take for granted.

I know that's one of the things you talked about when you were invited to speak to the team in April. What did that opportunity mean to you and what was your message to them?

I just talked to them about how they were one of the few teams in the country that in spring ball could look around at each other in the room and realize that physically, they have everything that it takes to win a championship. They can accomplish any goal that they want with the players that they have in this room. There are very few teams in the country that can look around their room and say that. And I said, "It's just up to you, how bad you want it and how hard you're willing to work for it and how much you're going to grow as a team in these next few months when nobody is watching you and the coaches aren't allowed to be involved, are you going to go out there and work and do what it takes to become a championship-caliber because the great teams do that." And I just challenged them to do that and I challenged them to deal with a lot of the distractions.

"I have a job to be objective, but that doesn't mean that I don't love Ohio State and want them to win more than anything in the world."

When you're a school like Ohio State with some great individual players, a lot of individuals are going to get a lot of attention, and you can't allow that to become something that alienates you from one another and you have to stick together as a team through the good and the bad. That's mainly what I wanted to talk to them about and about being a team that's willing to block out all of the adversity and all of the distractions and go out and win games and not be jealous of one another. I told them if they do that, they can do anything they want.

I also talked to them about how -- I got kind of emotional when I talked about what Ohio State means to me because it does, Ohio State is a place that I dreamed of going and I was lucky enough to live out a dream. Like I said, not a day goes by where I'm not grateful for that experience. It's probably emotional for me because standing there looking into the eyes of the players and the coaches and knowing that they get what I'm talking about and yet how a lot of times I get questioned for my loyalty and my love to my school isn't something that I appreciate and I think as long as the players understand what I'm about, and the coaches, that's good enough for me. I have a job to be objective, but that doesn't mean that I don't love Ohio State and want them to win more than anything in the world.

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Sean's picture

Great read, Alex. Good set of questions, and it looks like Herbie's a good interview.

I think Auburn-Alabama is the template to go with for the OSU-UM game. Sadly, the Big Ten seems to be looking at FSU-Miami as the ideal. That hasn't exactly worked out well for the ACC.

Max's picture

Off topic - but I have an Iowa fan at work who is speculating that the Big 10 will be announcing the divisional alignment tomorrow on the BTN at 7 pm.  Probably idle speculation but may be worth tuning in to the "Big Ten Network Football Special - Live" to see what's up...

Jason Priestas's picture

The bottom of this article seems to echo what your co-worker is saying:

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/on-iowa/2010/08/30/ferentz-maybe-6-or-7-true-frosh

anchorman's picture

I have said all along that the conference will make a move for Ga Tech! They are in the AAU and have great academics! Man that would be something if they went down to SEC country and got a team from there!

Thanks Herbie for echoing my sentiments!

Matt's picture

Awesome coup Alex, one of best things I've read in a while.  Well done.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Absolute entertainment reading that...Glad to clear up some things and put people to rest on the whole "turning back" feeling that a lot of people were getting. I understand what he has to do for his job and that's what people have to understand

 

 

i give it a TEAAAAAAN...a f*(king TEN!

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Go Buckeyes14's picture

See Herbie still loves us, I get tired of hearing people say "oh, he's such a Buckeye hater". He still bleeds Scarlet and Gray! Go Buckeyes!

Jason Priestas's picture

Yep, and listening to him talk, that clearly comes across.

The man might be a bigger Buckeye fan than most of us, but he can't show it (on air at least).

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

fix pic...FIX PIC!!

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

SuperBuckFan08's picture

Gotta love Herbie's excitement in the pic

Because I couldn't go for three.   -Woody-

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Of course he is a huge Buckeye fan.

If a company came to you and offered a multi-million dollar salary to talk sports but you had to be as objective as you can be, I think most of us would take that deal.

He may be a dumbass at times but he isn't stupid.

He wants paid just like the rest of us.

Brady's picture

That is a great pic.  It makes me laugh everytime I see it.

 
 

buckeyedude's picture

Who is Herbie choking? Eddie?

 

 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

"I'm one of these guys that's so focused on the college game, and with all due respect, I wish him success going on to the NFL, but I really don't care. I love college quarterbacks and I love guys trying to be team guys and win championships."

my favorite part

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Buckeye Ben in Tampa's picture

once a buckeye always a buckeye. i still love herbie, but i think in an effort to sound like he's not being a homer, he end up going to the opposite and bashing on us a little. i thought he was pretty bad in the rose bowl. he can be objective by praising when praise is desrved and bashing when bashing is deserved. and over the past 5 years, we have deserved plenty of both.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Great read.

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PF_Flyers22's picture

Great read. That must have been very cool to sit down with him. 

I've always appreciated Herbie's position on Ohio State as an unbiased sportscaster. It's his job to be neutral and he's the best in the business. Sometimes that comes across as anti-Buckeye, but I think it's worth it when week in and week out he makes Desmond Howard look like a complete fool with his over-the-top homerism.

You ask one person from each state who's the better sportscaster and I can almost guarantee Herbie takes it 49-1.

btalbert25's picture

At the end of the day though, who cares?  Desmond is getting a fat check too from the same employer.  Neutrality doesn't garner ratings.  Look at some of the biggest names with the highest ratings on TV/Radio.  They are usually people who take an extreme side(usually they don't believe most of the BS that comes from their own mouths) and argue it to no end saying the other side is an idiot.  It works for sports, politics, religion, and anything else people have a strong connection to.

I'm not saying I like that, but this notion that being neutral/unbiased is noble just is unfounded when people get paid to creat ratings.  Who do Ohio State fans talk about more on a Saturday afternoon Mark May or Herbie?  Again, I'm not saying I think it should be that way, but Mark May is loved by Buckeye haters and hated by Buckeye bashers.  But all watch to see what he says next.

PF_Flyers22's picture

I understand what you are saying and in certain aspects I agree as much as I don't like it. Although I don't come across many people (Buckeye fans or not) who actually enjoy Mark May. The same goes for Lou Holtz. The man predicts ND to contend for the National Championship every single year and it's completely ludicrous. But to your point, ESPN keeps these guys on the air so they must be doing something right.

I still think being neutral is still something to be respected. I don't care that ratings and money are all the ESPN cares about. Those two concepts are completely independent of each other.  

BuckeyeSki's picture

Lou Holtzshhhh is shhhhhhh-enile tho

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buckeyedude's picture

Wasn't Trev Alberts a "Buckeye basher?" What happened to him?

Herbie is on TV. He is not a "shock jock" for college football. To have longevity in that business, you have to be neutral. Did you ever hear Keith Jackson expressing homerism for his alma mater? Or Brent Musberger(where did he go to school?)? Of course not.

Herbie's in it for the long haul. And he's a Buckeye.

 

 

741's picture

Great interview!

btalbert25's picture

I have been hard on Herbie for his on air commentary, but never doubted for a minute that he loved the Buckeyes.  I'm glad he's showing this enthusiasm on air this year.  The only way a conference gains national respect is to WIN.  If Ohio State wins one or both of those championship games, one of the USC games and one of the Texas games no one says they are pretenders or beneficiaries of a weak schedule.  So that being said, I could give a crap what the rest of the Big 10 does.  I refuse to pull for Michigan, regardless of who they are playing.  I will never be a fan who cheers for 11 or soon to be 12 teams.  I will not take pride in the achievements of others in conference.  I hate that mentality. So I disagree with his take there.  Ohio State has to demand everyones respect themselves, if they do that, it makes no difference what Iowa, Michigan, Penn State or anyone else does.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Wasn't his point about pulling for other Big 10 teams more about making the poor national reputation go away?

btalbert25's picture

I guess my point is, who cares what the national reputation for the big 10 is.  The only reputation that matters is Ohio State's.  If they go in and beat Florida and LSU, no one is talking about them being pretenders.  Some of the greatest stretches of Nebraska, Florida State, and Oklahoma's  program came when their conferences were not the greatest, but they won when all eyes were on them.  No one looks back at some of those Bowden teams and says yeah but were they really that good, the ACC did really suck?  No they won, they won big, and they won when it mattered.  That's all I'm saying.

Matt's picture

I hear you, but so long as subjective voters matter in BCS rankings, and so long as the path to the national title game hinges on these voters' subjective beliefs regarding the strength of the Big 10, then the reputation of the Big 10 will matter for purposes of Ohio State's road to the national title.  There are about 120 teams gunning for that crystal trophy, and only two get to dance for it.

Jason Priestas's picture

Ding ding ding.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I don't hear Boise State saying "who cares what the reputation of thw WAC is??" That seems to be keeping them out of the championship game.

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btalbert25's picture

The WAC is a non-BCS conference though.  If Ohio State goes undefeated Ohio State will end up in the national title game.  C'mon folks, as bad as a rep as the Big 10 has had, everyone nationally has still rated it ahead of the Big East and ACC.  The BCS is about money first and foremost, any chance the BCS gets to feature Ohio State in a bowl, they are going to do it.  If they can find a way to place them into the Championship Game, they are going.  They are ratings gold no matter how you look at it.   Boise State is not in a BCS conference therefore they don't take priority in being chosen for a BCS title game.  If they were to run the table this year, it would take virtually all other conferences to not have an undfeated and some even having 2 losses for them to get in the BCS title game.

btalbert25's picture

In addition to that, the Moutain West, a conference everyone believed to be as good as some BCS conferences, had an undefeated team that had no chance of getting into the BCS title game as well.  As long as you are in a BCS conference, unless it's a year like the Oklahoma, Auburn, USC year, your team will be in the championship if you are undefeated.  In that year's case, the team from the toughest conference was on the outside looking in.    Last year, UC was one second away from a BCS championship game berth.  They would've gotten in over TCU and Boise last year.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

sure an undefeated OSU team makes it, but does aq one loss OSU or other Big Ten team make it? Probably not. A One loss Alabama, Florida, Texas, OU, etc does. Conference "prestige" counts.

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btalbert25's picture

Didn't a 1 loss OSU team make it just a couple of years ago?

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

In 2007, and then the S hit the fan again. Boise State , TCU and Cincy weren't going undefeated then. As much as I hate to say it, the 2006/7 losses are what could keep a 1 loss 2010 OSU team out and put a Boise or TCU in.

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btalbert25's picture

 The majority of the time, if Ohio State loses less than 2 games, they are going to be in the top 2.  When they lose 2 games they are pretty much guarrentteed a BCS bowl.  The big 10's image has done nothing to sway the BCS away from Ohio State.   In addition to that, if there were facts behind it or not, the SEC has always said the Big 10 was too slow.  I'll never forget hearing a Tennssee fan tell me that after that Big 10 teams were too slow and not used to playing the tough schedules that SEC teams play after Tennessee beat Ohio State when Eddie was still running the ball for the Buckeyes.  This is a myth/belief that has existed for 20 years or more.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

The only reason OSU got to the title game was bc of a perfect storm of losses to teams ranked ahead of them after OSU's season was over.

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Pam's picture

The only reason OSU got to the title game was bc of a perfect storm of losses to teams ranked ahead of them after OSU's season was over.

 

And the same reason that LSU got to the NCG.  Had WVU and Mizzou not lost their last games, neither tOSU or LSU goes.

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As for a 1 loss Ohio State not getting the nod over TCU/Boise state, I just can't see that happening.  It would take a season like 2007 where everyone lost going down the stretch to vault them in.  It would take that type of year where there are zero undefeateds, 1, one loss and virtually everyone else having 2 losses for one of these non BCS schools to be represented in a championship game.

Matt's picture

How about we just agree that everyone else disagrees with you?

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

we'll have to wait for the initial BCS rankings to come out, but at 3 and 6 in the AP, it wouldn't take 2 losses from everyone ahead of them.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

1 loss OSU made it because about 14 other teams eff'd up their chance, most famously, DickRod led WVU.....beeeep, beeeep, beeeeeeep....do you hear that....thats the sound of backing into the title game

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btalbert25's picture

The BCS is about money and ratings.  It would take an act of God for Boise and or TCU to get in.  They just don't carry the earning power that a name like Ohio State, USC, Texas etc etc etc do.  Virutally any BCS school has that over Boise State and TCU.  Short of a season like 2007, you won't see it, instead of being honest about it though.  Weak schedule doesn't help them, but the biggest reason is potential to make the BCS money.  People know Ohio State fans will flock where ever the game is, spend a ton of money, and the rest of America will watch the game on TV. 

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

it's funny that BCS rankings to not take fan base in to account when they do their thing. Boise is ranked 3rd currently and TCU is 6 in the AP. It won't take an act of God.

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btalbert25's picture

I'll bow out and agree to disagree.  I would be very willing to bet we won't see an undfeated Boise in TCU in a title game anytime soon, barring a crazy season like 2007.  They will always get jumped in the rankings it happens every time one of the non BCS teams goes undefeated.

Leanenaud's picture

Herbie is by far my favorite CFB analyst. People say he bashed OSU, but sometimes you need to be real and tell it like it is. If he would have been on the OSU love train the past few seasons, he wouldn't be the credible analyst he is today. You can't be elite in your region, go get stomped in key OOC games and expect a pat on the back. Thanks for being real, Herbie. I had people all my life telling me how good I was, but I never truly found success until the people around me told me I could do better and need to perform at the highest level in order to take the next step in my career.

Another great read as always. I can't wait until Thursday! Go Bucks!

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Herbie,

Who spits on you more...Coach Corso or Coach Holtz? And how do you just sit there, smiling at the camera, knowing there is someone else's saliva on your nose, cheek and forehead that you can't wipe away until commercial?

Leanenaud's picture

I refer to Lou Holtz as Spitty McSpitterton, so I would guess Lou.

Poe McKnoe's picture

If I were him, I wouldn't worry about "I better sit in the pocket and not scramble".

Is this the Troy Smith Effect?

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

Ingram Out for Bama--had knee surgery....  PSU gets lucky!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5515780

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

The "back up" is still a good RB, but a lot of pressure is now on Greg "He's Never Lost" McElroy's shoulders.

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J.Mo's picture

Greg McElroy is Bama's verison of Craig Krenzel.

Matt's picture

I've heard some Bama Bangers who think that Trent Richardson is actually the more talented running back.  Richardson certainly passes the look test, and he might be more explosive than Ingram.  Ingram had the toughness factor going for him, but with a dicey knee he may fall behind Richardson.

btalbert25's picture

No repeat Heisman winner this year.

Natty Light's picture

 in b4 the richardson crew says he is better than ingram and will win the heisman this year

Jason Priestas's picture

PBB, can you do us a favor and toss things like this into the forum next time?  Thanks!

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

No prob....  just getting used to the new format... havent quite figured things out yet  :-)

Jason Priestas's picture

Yeah, we realize it will take some time. Just trying to get the word out.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

Direct all hate mail to Kevin Blackistone:

 

http://kevin-blackistone.fanhouse.com/2010/08/31/back-in-football-mauric...

 

"I hope Clarett fails", what a dick.

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Bucksfan's picture

First, I haven't even read the full article yet.  I just want to congratulate 11W for getting an interview with #4 himself!  That's a serious shot of legitimacy.  New website, validation from Herbie...I cannot wait to see what's next!  F5 that sh*t!

Bucksfan's picture

Ok, just finished the article.  Glad I wear a Scarlet #4 Jersey every home game!  See you Saturday morning, Herbs.

gbm's picture

Good read. Nice to know he still loves the Bucks. Would be nice if he showed it a little more though, why many fans get frustrated with him.

Now, will they run the table? Will they win every game? That's where I go back to the x-factor in championship seasons is whether or not teams can grow and become a unit.

 

When doing an interview with the A#1 Buckeye blog his answer to that should of been an overly exited Yes and go on to explain how great we are, not some drawn out Tressel so forth answer. But still, article made me respect him a bit more while ignoring the eSECpn mentality comments about cheering for the confrence.

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Eh, his answer was legit tho. Tressel answers are great by the way......but not as great as that avatar picture dude....

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ATL Buckeye's picture

The question I have for everyone is when does Herbie not back up the Buckeyes on TV? He's NEVER been a hater. He makes the big $$$ by being objective. When we (or the Big 10) suck as a whole, he says it. When UM looks like they had the better team, he says it. Only problem I had with Kerbie answers is how he says that Big 10 fans are 'myopic' in nature (which is true). If Northwestern losses to Vandy, these hicks down here start saying 'told you them boys ain't nothin.' However, I think that is the problem with college football... its becoming a huge gang warfare production about conferences and less about the individual teams. That is what makes tOSU unique. We ALWAYS hate UM, but down here when UGA is horrible, then they trade in their paraphanellia for LSU & UF t-shirts. That doesn't happen with us. More focus on the teams then the conference....but again, Herbie is the best at what he does. Plus, my freshman year 1992 saw #4 run for allover UM in the 13-13 tie-- will never forget that game.

Bucksfan's picture

You're going to see NW score 54 points on Vandy...but the hicks down there will STILL say northern boys ain't nuthin.'

ATL Buckeye's picture

Touche sir...you are right about that one. Not sure what it takes to shut down these folks. College FB is all they have in terms of bragging rights.

Welcome to Buckeye City's picture

Ohio Sentate to introduce a resolution to keep the OSU-MI in late November.  The law carries no weight but is significant in and of itself.

 

http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2010/08/senate_resolution_says_dont_me.shtml

What Would Woody Do?

.thei's picture

In regards to the Pro-Combat Uni's here is a snippet from the press release on the Dispatch's blog:
"Stylized script numbers, a replica U.S. flag on the jersey sleeve, and the camouflage-print base layer honor the WWII-bound Buckeyes, National Champions of 1942."

Here are what the uniforms looked like in 1943...will they be similar to this?

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

American flag! Take that Stanzi! Now all you have as your claim to fame is being an interception machine!!!

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741's picture

A scarlet jersey with those old school stylized numbers and a US flag on the shoulder would be pretty dope actually. (Just for one game though.)

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

what about the camo?

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741's picture

I guess we will find out for sure tomorrow, but I think what I read said that the baselayer (i.e., undershirt) is camo?

I'm picturing some form of scarlet and gray camo - and hopefully it's the digital "universal camo" pattern... Which would possibly be less offensive to my eyes.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I'm hoping  it's the under shirt and not the numbers too...

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741's picture

I'm glad to hear Herbie echoing what I thought was the only reasonable opinion on the divisional breakdown of the "new" Big Ten. Granted, it's a mostly emotional argument, but coming from Herbie, I think folks like Gene Smith and Dr. Gee might actually pay a bit more attention to his point of view than they would a faceless, nameless, yet substantial longtime financial supporter of OSU and the Department of Athletics like me.

I still haven’t heard anyone make a rational argument as to why it would make more sense to have OSU and Michigan in different divisions. At least Herbie seems to recognize the value of tradition and history – which for me is the reason I feel more drawn to college football than any other sport. 

I choose to spend my dollars on the OSU Football experience because of my emotional connection to it. I personally don’t have the same degree of emotional connection to any other sport, and I believe it’s actually because of the tradition and the history. 

(Of course I understand not everyone uses the same decision making processes as me – and clearly there are huge numbers of fans of professional sports of all kinds, and billions and billions of dollars being spent.)

Nonetheless, I would love to see data from the TV networks, or whomever, to provide some sort of rationalization for why having “The Game” played in September or October with a chance of a rematch in the B10 championship in November would make more sense from a business perspective – I just haven’t seen any data of any kind to support such an argument.

Would a second OSU-Michigan game really be that much bigger of a draw for television audiences than an OSU-Nebraska matchup? Would the differential be large enough to justify putting OSU and Michigan in separate divisions and diminishing the traditional importance of “The Game” even if the chance that an OSU-Michigan rematch might only happen once every three to five years for sake of argument?

I would like to see Gene Smith and the league present their findings to the public and ask for public comment prior to making and announcing their decision, but I recognize that is unlikely to occur.

[Lastly, I have a $250 bet with my brother that when it's all said and done OSU and Michigan will be in the same division, and the tradition of "The Game" being the final regular season game of the year will go on. What do you think my chances are to win this bet?]

 

Doc's picture

Well 741, I hope they are really good, but I think Delany and co. will screw the pooch on this one.  Having Herbie voice his opinion is vital, me thinks.  He is really tuned in to everything CFB related and he isn't wrong too often.  I hope he is correct.  What a great read.  I have a new found respect for the man.  His job can not be easy, trying to hide his enthusiasm.  The picture of him earlier at the MNC game in '03 speaks volumes.

"Say my name."

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Damn Herbie.  Always slapping me with the cold hand of reality.  I know I should pull for Sparty to beat CMU and scUM to beat App. St. (insert puke noise here), but damn it I just can't make myself to do it.  Ever. 

Doc's picture

I know what you mean Steve.  I have every intention to root for the B10, but when rubber meets the road I can never pull the trigger to root for TSUN, Sparty, or Wiscky.  Call me immature, but I hate those schools in that order.

"Say my name."

741's picture

I always root for the Big Ten vs. non-conference opponents (unless it's some weird scenario of a late season non-conference game in which a loss by a Big Ten team might actually advance OSU in the BCS standings... not sure if that has ever actually happened, but I suppose it is possible).

buckeyedude's picture

I love watching Misheegoon get beat as much as the next guy, but I have to confess that I was glad they stuck it to the Gators. I actually hated them more, at the time.

 

 

Brady's picture

Good interview Alex.  I was one of those irrational folks a few years ago that was questioning Herbie's allegiance to his alma mater.  I think a cooler head has prevailed for me over the past few seaons and I realize he does have a job to do which means criticizing the Buckeyes every once in awhile.  Does it still upset me sometimes? Sure.  I just don't have the crazy notion to fire off an email everytime he says something negative about OSU these days.  Maybe in my wise old age of 29 I have matured.  Who knows?

 
 

Buckeye Bro's picture

hes a good dude i run into him actually quite a bit and get to pick hhis brain a little about college football and hes always polite even though im sure he gets it alot.  His wife is a smoke show by the way haha

 

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BuckeyeChief's picture

SOOOO...great post, but I may miss the game...I was planning to buy it via the BTN, but you know, there's a hurricane headed my way and so forth. Hoping to get lucky and just get rain.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

buckeyedude's picture

Caveman, generally, aren't very smart creatures, but even they understand that Kirk's loyalties are with The Ohio State Buckeyes!

Geico caveman commercial

  Anybody that doesn't get that is dumber than a box of rocks.

I've never met Kirk, but he seems like a really nice dude, and would be cool to party with before the game, if he didn't have that damn job with ESPN! He NEVER gets a saturday off, poor guy!

 

 

BigRedBuckeye's picture

Great read! Love Herbie, his commentary, and never got the comments that claimed he was anti-OSU. I think living outside of Ohio gives you a more worldly perspective, and you can see that Herbie is just doing what he needs to be objective.

I especially love his comments on rooting for other Big Ten teams, esp. in out of conference games. He is 100% right, imo. I hate Michigan, but (at least as long as Lloyd Christmas Carr was there), I respect(ed) them, and enjoyed watching them beat up on Urban Oscarmeyer and God's only Son at QB a few years ago. It has been sticking in my craw all summer that Northwestern couldn't pull off that win last year in their Bowl. I ALWAYS root for the Big Ten in these type of games (unless, by way of some quirky BCS issues, it would keep OSU from going to the MNC or some other desirable bowl).

And we'll drink to old Ohio, 'Til we wobble in our shoes!