Turner's bad break throws some major adversity Ohio State's way (AP: T. Gilliam)After reading numerous comments about how the sky has fallen since Evan Turner's nasty spill and subsequent broken back, I'm thinking it might be wise to try and 'break' the situation down in an effort to talk those of you that care about OSU hoops off the ledge.
Now, I must admit, most of my motivation for this post is to try and talk myself off said ledge because there's absolutely no underestimating just how valuable the Villain is to Buckeye basketball however I am focused on helping us faithful find a way to open the garage door and shut off the engine before it's too late.
So far, the word from OSU athletic trainer Vince O'Brien is to expect eight Villain-Free weeks with the caveat that patients with transverse process fractures (second and third lumbar vertebra, in this case) can have varied recovery times. If, and that's assuredly a sizeable if, Turner comes back after exactly eight weeks, he would be back in action January 30th, just in time for a January 31st home game against Minnesota. With Turner sidelined, the Buckeyes will likely be forced to play at least 13 games without the conference's best player against the opponents shown below with what I hope is a cautious/realistic guess at the outcomes of those tilts:
| Date | Opponent | Win/Loss? |
|---|---|---|
| 12/12 | @Butler | Loss |
| 12/16 | Prysbeterian | Win |
| 12/19 | Delaware St. | Win |
| 12/22 | Cleveland St. | Win |
| 12/31 | @Wisconsin | Loss |
| 1/3 | @Michigan | Loss |
| 1/6 | Indiana | Win |
| 1/9 | @Minnesota | Loss |
| 1/12 | @Purdue | Loss |
| 1/16 | Wisconsin | Loss |
| 1/19 | Northwestern | Win |
| 1/23 | @West Virginia | Loss |
| 1/27 | @Iowa | Win |
If the currently 7-1 Buckeyes do manage to go 6-7 in those 13 games, that would bring the cumulative season record to a fairly respectable 13-8, all things considered.
While some fans balk at the notion Turner will be full strength once he's cleared to play, O'Brien implies ET could very well be ready to roll considering he'll rest for a few weeks then begin exercising before gradually introducing drills and basketball activity, as tolerable. Even better, should Turner's recovery time be extended another two weeks and/or he is actually slow to get back in the saddle, the Buckeyes have a very soft schedule from January 31st through February 13th with four very winnable games:
| Date | Opponent | Win/Loss? |
|---|---|---|
| 1/31 | Minnesota | Win |
| 2/3 | Penn State | Win |
| 2/7 | Iowa | Win |
| 2/10 | @Indiana | Win |
Assuming my crystal ball has any luck and accuracy, the Buckeyes would stand at a sturdy 17-8 with Turner now 10 weeks removed from his ridiculously unlucky cracktacular tumble. That would give Ohio State another six regular season conference games with Turner on the floor against a schedule featuring two extremely difficult games with or without the Villain plus another four very winnable games:
| Date | Opponent | Win/Loss? |
|---|---|---|
| 2/14 | @Illinois | Win |
| 2/17 | Purdue | Loss |
| 2/20 | @Michigan St | Loss |
| 2/24 | @Penn State | Win |
| 2/27 | Michigan | Win |
| 3/3 | Illinois | Win |
So, if they go 4-2 down the stretch, Matta's crew would finish the regular season at 21-10. That might mean they need to win a conference tourney game but my glass half full thought is that the big dance selection committee will surely take into account Turner's absence and realize OSU would clearly be worthy of an at-large bid.
Of course, the win/loss projections sans Turner are a bit of a crap shoot depending on how a few players respond, most notably P.J. Hill, Jeremie Simmons and William Buford. As of Monday, Matta indicated he's yet to determine exactly how he'll round out the starting lineup but I am inclined to believe Hill will move into the starting point guard slot for a few reasons. First, Hill is really the only point guard left on the roster and with such a wing dominated roster, he will have some help bringing the ball up the floor either against the press or assuming anyone besides Lauderdale gets the defensive rebound and pushes the ball up court on their own.
Second, there's no question Jeremie Simmons is playing his best basketball as a Buckeye and that is due in large part to the fact he's playing his natural shooting guard position. Shifting him back to the point now could jeopardize his mojo plus keeping Simmons as the sixth man gives Matta some scoring punch off what is an increasingly short bench.
Another key factor to avoiding a collapse will be whether or not Buford has finally shaken an early season funk - one he showed signs of emerging from - in a 16 point, 10 assist performance albeit against a decidedly janky Eastern Michigan squad. If the Buford/Simmons tandem can't consistently step up and produce some points then my projections fly out the window along with any NCAA tourney hopes because it's not probable Diebler can carry a team considering his inability to create his own shot coupled with the notion opposing coaches will now consider him option one and construct their defensive game plans with an eye on taking him out of the offense.
Of course, another key element to Turner's absence is how it impacts OSU at the defensive end. With the rotation likely down to seven players barring major foul difficulty, Matta will have no choice but to go with more matchup zone a la last season to rest players and try to keep Lauderdale out of foul trouble. Additionally, no ET means Lighty, Buford and Diebler have to pick up the rebounding slack. If Lauderdale is left to fend for himself, the Buckeyes will get hammered on the offensive glass prompting visions of last season to dance through our heads.
Finally, I think it's important that Matta and his staff do their best to keep everyone from trying to do more than their capable of, especially Buford and Hill, or things could get ugly. The squad needs to be prepared for the fact they are going to lose some games against the tougher foes and not let that negatively effect the chances of cashing in on the six or so very winnable games they play through the end of January. Also, I'm sure Matta will remind his team how it responded last year in the first big game following Lighty's season ending injury - a 78-46 blowout loss at home to WVU - in hopes of avoiding a similar hangover effect Saturday at Butler. Still, I think it's important both players and fans realize a possible stinker on Saturday doesn't necessary have to be an indication of things to come.
It's time for this team and its fans to circle the wagons so there's still a chance for March Madness once the Villain returns. After what Turner did last year, putting the program on his back for over three months, he's owed at least that much.






Comments
I'll confess, when I first read about Turner's injury I also scoped out the Bucks' upcoming schedule in an effort to figure out if it would be possible to keep our collective heads above water until (in case of?) his eventual return.
I think your assessment of the schedule is certainly realistic, and may even be a bit pessimistic. Michigan is playing terrible, terrible basketball right now. While they certainly could turn things around, I think at this moment they'd be solid underdogs even to a Turner-less OSU team. The road game at Minnesota is also not an automatic loss, as the Gophers have been very inconsistent this year.
Games at Butler, Purdue, and Wisconsin are not going to be fun to watch, and neither is the WVU game. The good news is that none of these would be bad losses, as all of those guys figure to be tournament teams. The home game with Wisconsin isn't a hopeless cause, but putting that one in the loss column is probably the smart bet.
IF (and it's a huge IF) Turner can come back at something close to 100%, he should be coming back to a team that's still got a better-than-even shot to make the big dance. If a couple of the tight games break the right way we might even have a shot at securing a halfway-decent seed.
dont try to stop me from jumping off the deep end, chris. its not going to work.
even at 100% healthy.
You have to think his game will take a min to get where it was.
Any thoughts on his mobility during the injury?
Will he be able to shoot?
Do they put some kind of brace on his back?
*sigh
He doesn't have to wear a brace but they gave him one if he feels he needs it. As for mobility. It's a gradual process. He'll rest for a few weeks (minus regular walking around / going to class) then gradually implement some conditioning, then stationary type drills before increasing physicality of drills leading up to coming back to play.
Nice post
Great write-up and I almost feel better. Turner's loss did/does have me down. I was really excited for this basketball team and I still am.
I watched Butler last night to try to gain an understanding of how we would play against them. Against a very tall and wide Georgetown team, Butler was just beaten up and handled underneath. When Butler would rotate Georgetown would hit the outside shot. It gave me no idea on how we would perform. I only walked away with feeling like Butler is small like us and we are a much better match-up for Butler than is Georgetown.
I am excited to watch PJ develop. This is a huge opportunity for him to really grow and get in a lot of gametime experience. Simmons has been playing really well and if Buford could find his shot this could be a good team even without Turner. If those players that need to step up actually take that step during Turner's absence, this could be a great team when Turner gets back to his villiany self.
There is no way we miss out on the tourney. We may have a lower seed than what we originally wanted but we make the dance.
Can we get an NBA Houndie for former BBall players to be given out at random times? I would like to nominate Mike Conley Jr for his game winner even if it was against the Cavs.
Hmmm..interesting thought. I think a monthly Hoops Houndie could be a good way to help everyone keep tabs on our nba guys...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/...
Congress getting into the act !
That could be a worthy post, however, we need the boys to step it up a bit in the league. Oden is done for season, Koufos barely plays(3.9 Minutes/game), Cook has been benched and BJ is in the D-League. Conley is the only one playing significant minutes right now. We might have to expand it to a World Wide award.
There is a BuckeyeBallers.blogspot site...I'll post the address later.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...
Seantrel talks about his official visit... It's looking good for the Buckeyes!
I just hope he gets back to 100%. I really don't care if that means he never plays another minute for the Bucks. He's too good of a kid for this to ruin his shot at the next level. Didn't the kid from Purdue go through the same thing?
grrr... again, what about Lighty... IIRC, last year we were doing amazing leading up to Lighty's injury... sort of like we've been doing up to ET's injury... maybe it's time for Lighty to step up again and carry the team like he was doing last year? Just a thought... (and maybe I am mis-remembering the first 8-10 games of last year).
sorry, the "grrr" was for computer troubles... thought I clicked "submit comment" too soon and would be doing a double entry...
Good move for Doufos to jump early. Really working out well. I hope Doufos never sets foot on campus again. Asshole cost us a scholarship for being a selfish fucktard. Go back to Greece dick!
Congress has a great track record of "fixing" things.
That is true and a lot of work. Is Othello Hunter hurt? He had a great year last year.
"I just hope he gets back to 100%. I really don’t care if that means he never plays another minute for the Bucks. He’s too good of a kid for this to ruin his shot at the next level." -- Could not have said it better.
Don't forget Michael Redd... He'll probably be back from his injury reasonably soon.
While Lighty is valuable in many ways, I just don't see him being capable of increasing his scoring load much to account for what OSU loses with ET on the shelf nor is Lighty capable of bringing the ball up the floor. He can help offset ET's loss by increasing his scoring and rebounding averages a bit but "carrying the team" is going to have to be by committee, I think. Lighty will, of course, be the on court leader though I think he and ET were already sharing that role so it's nothing new for Lighty to be that glue guy.
Hearing that Hill would be the starting point guard makes me give up all hope...even if Jordan was playing the 2.
Time for "Mr. All-Time Ohio high school scoring leader" to step up
Diebler has stepped up this season. He's been on fire as of late. I have Turner out for 16 games (returning Feb. 10) and the Bucks going 8-8 in those games. (15-9). A 19-win OSU team is making the tournament. The selection committee takes into consideration the injuries to star players. You'll hear a lot of "11-3 with Evan Turner in the lineup" talk come March 14.
Has anyone thought about the dream of Turner redshirting and coming back next year? Now that would be an awesome team!