Former Buckeyes: The Line is a Mess
Better days for BoeckmanWe didn’t get to this before the game, but the Dispatch’s Rob Oller spent some time talking to former Buckeyes about a variety of topics some of which included the play of the line, Bollman and the handling of the quarterback situation.
On the subject of the offensive line, the vets are seeing the same thing we are all seeing:
The verdict seems to be split between a lack of talent and lack of proper teaching. One thing all the former players agreed upon — and there were several who played on the O-line way back when — is that this year’s line has shown little ability to fire off the ball and knock the defense backward.
And this disheartening nugget:
More than once I heard “They don’t even use the blocking sled in practice anymore.”
Awesome. They must still be doing that cross-training they mentioned doing in the offseason. Perhaps the line has been busy learning how to look defensive backs off before making a throw. Or about which hand to carry the ball with when you’re ripping down the right sideline.
It was also interesting to note the chorus of players coming down on the decision to bench Boeckman. Dustin Fox does not appear to be a fan of how it was handled:
“You don’t bench a sixth-year senior who led you to the national championship game after one bad game. I think I’d play Todd Boeckman. Those seniors came back and now you’re putting the season in the hands of a freshman? That would be difficult to swallow.”
I get that it must be tough for the seniors to see their final season turned over to a freshman quarterback who will be learning on the job, but those same seniors probably realize that if the line had come out and played like we all envisioned it would, Todd Boeckman would still be the starting quarterback and Pryor would be dazzling us in mop-up time.
To be fair, the article came out a day before Pryor torched the Wildcats, but the switch at quarterback was the right move. Further, the choice to forgo the platoon system has also been the correct one.
Pryor has the skill to succeed at this level and now he’s collecting that other vital component, experience. He’s almost fully assembled and then it’s over.
Re: blocking sled/practice and teaching changes.
Remember the lines from 2002 to 2005, excepting maybe 2004? Remember how we rarely complained about their play or their conditioning, focusing more on subpar QB play from Zwick et al. to explain away our offensive woes?
Why did we try to fix what isn’t broken? This is the worst line I’ve seen here in my entire time being a Buckeye fan, and that includes 1999.
Not to be a prick…but it’s hard to have a lot of remorse for the seniors in regards to Pryor now starting. A lot of these upperclassmen not only had their chance to win it all with Boeckman, but with Troy Smith before that when they were younger. If they hadn’t dropped passes against LSU, been torched by Florida’s & LSU’s d-lines, and hadn’t given up 35 pts to USC then they wouldn’t be sitting here in this position. This doesn’t even account for all the ridiculous penalties and self-inflicted wounds in those games that caused us to lose. They got their shot and blew it. The future of the program is what’s important.
Out of morbid curiosity I’d like to see how the line coaching is now handled. I imagine something similar to a pillow fight. Oh and false start contests. And headbutting drills.
In other news, Gamble and Ginn had a pretty productive Sunday.
Jason, you forgot this little doozie from the Buckeye Legends site, Mike Lanese graded the NW performance:
“I won’t continue to beat up the line because I’ve concluded that they simply don’t have the athletic ability or attitude to play any better than they’ve been playing. If the rules didn’t require the offense to have seven men on the line of scrimmage, I’d recommend that we just line the guards and tackles up four yards deep in the backfield. That’s where they end up anyway. Only because of Pryor’s escapability are the receivers starting to make a contribution downfield.”
I don’t know that anyone could have said it better. Link: http://blog.buckeyelegends.com/2008/11/the-2008-ohio-state-northwestern-report-card/
Lanese wasn’t a Rhodes Scholar for nothing…
Blake, I agree with you. When your line returns 4 starters, 3 of them seniors and they continue to play poorly, it is difficult to feel sorry for them. It was apparent early on that they were not going to get better and a mobile QB was going to be the answer. I just don’t see how it is that difficult to keep your body weight under 320 lbs.
I am also of the opinion every position should be an open competition every day anyhow, they had the chance, time to move on.
I love Catfish Biff’s, what can I say
the seniors who are whining can just stop. Blake is dead right: they had two chances plus another at USC. if they had put it together in any of those three games we wouldn’t be where we are right now.
where we are right now is looking at possible bowl opponents and trying to decide who has a bad d line that we might possibly be able to block long enough for Beanie to get one step before he is clobbered behind the line of scrimmage.
pogue, your question was addressed in the article:
“The sled, as any back-in-the-day player will recall, taught linemen to fire off the line while keeping their legs moving. Today’s blocking techniques are more in line with zone blocking, which basically is the concept of taking up space rather than physically engaging the defense.
Certainly there is more than a tiny hint of nostalgia — “Things were better in my day” — among the former players, but I tend to agree that zone blocking can lead to a lack of aggression, which then leads to poor run blocking.”
Well taking up space is about all they’re doing.
Jason - IMO, if Adams are Shugarts were healthy, they’d be starting just like Brewster right now.
Re: flipbuckeye, these guys aren’t even taking up space. It’s as if they’re auditioning for a future in the National Matador League. Then again, I’m not a football coach/player, so what do I know?
Re: Steve Rehring - Catfish Biff’s is delicious, so I can’t fault your love for it… but I heard there is truth to that bit of sarcasm… something about our OL gaining a lot of weight before last year’s Nat’l Championship game…
typo: “…if Adams AND Shugarts…”
Thanks for the article. I’m gonna have to read that site more often.
FYI - Michigan Noon Start time - ABC
The fact that they don’t use a sled makes me a little sick to my stomach, I know I never made it to college due to short height and bad knees, but seriously, Mr. Sled was my best friend. If that’s what they need, that’s what they need. Football is not touchy feely. Football is a combination of chess with a fist to the mouth. It takes brains and brawn and frankly It appears that our 300 pound plus gentlemen do not have the latter.
Ugh….the old sled…..man I was a force linebacker and had to push that damn thing all over the field…..in HIGH SCHOOL!!! what are the coaches drilling them on, how to be kobeashi(sp?) in a hotdog eating contest?
i am sorry but catfish biffs was atrocious while i was a student. The Flying Pizza and Adriatico’s (especially Adriatico’s) beat the shit of out of catfish. if anyone is getting fat eating there, they are hopeless in life.
MASSEY’S pizzzzzza!!! I live in virginia now and i miss the shit out of that style of pizza
is massey’s like donato’s style? that was also better than catfish biffs. though i never tried massey’s. where the hell is that located?
Mike Lanese’s comments are an honest and correct assessment, but… ouch. Ouch. I feared some of my worst comments on the offensive line were verbal burials, but… well… ouch.
And really, if the staff subbed out blocking basics for cross-training, we’re not getting the results in that either…
Oh, and from the Dispatch article, I don’t see where the Buckeyes do that much zone blocking anymore, save for a few plays against Northwestern where Beanie was the lone back and Terrelle was under center and the shotgun formation. The obvious zone blocking formation was the Buckeye Pistol, of which I’m inclined to put out a missing advisory on some milk cartons. Most plays seem to be out of the I.
I love to hear all the so called experts dropping their vast knowledge on what is the problem. Sled or no sled, fifth or sixth year senior being benched or talanted or untalented line play, it does not take a very keen eye to see that we are getting our butts kicked up front. Anyone who attacks us dominates us and we look like the big game busts that we will be know for until WE change that ourselves! This bunch, regardless how you think of them are soft. Exclude whom ever you want, but what we are missing are the vocal and physical leaders of the past. Nobody would have dared to question anyone in public or been considered locker room cancer with a Chris Spielman, AJ Hawk or Big Cat to answer to. I got ripped a while back for questioning all the choir boys we have been recruiting as of late, listen, the choir is warming up! Get some nuts about yourselves. You have a chance to win out and get a respectable bowl game to finish things off on a good note.
Wow.
WTF!? No blocking sled?! It’s no wonder the fat-asses can’t block. Isn’t anyone (Bollman) teaching these guys anything? Christalmighty, no wonder the line is clueless with angles, leverage, and just coming off snap in general. Corey, IMO, 320 ought to be top end of the weight scale. Pretty damn disgusting watching Boone and Rehring lumber up to line of scrimmage with their bellies hanging over their belts..
In terms of the supposed Seniors’ angst.. I really don’t care if their feelings are “hurt”. As Blake pointed out, they’ve certainly had their chances to prove something… and if the O-line play had been even somewhat competant this year, ToddB would still be quarterbacking. I don’t know what seniors are bitching, but it better not be any offensive linemen.
Ken
Listen, everyone who comes onto this board understands the weaknesses of this team. We also all understand that, save for a few players, the majority of the starters on offense are as good as they’re going to get. But, to people like Rob Oller, Ken Gordon, Tim May, and Dustin Fox, I have only two words. SHUT UP! Shut the hell up. I don’t give a shit about what’s proper. I don’t give a shit that feelings might get hurt. I understand that you have to show loyalty to the players who have given their blood, sweat, and tears for four years. But, too much of Buckeye media coverage (the Dispatch and especially Jerry Rudzinski of Bucknuts) can’t wrap their heads around anything that deviates from the traditional Buckeye norm. Sixth year senior? Ok, great. Thanks for your loyalty, but what have you done for me lately? In this new world of college football, the glorified senior captain doesn’t mean anything anymore. What matters are Ws. So, to Robo, Boone, Boeckman, JL, Freeman, I say thanks for everything. But, some fat needs to be trimmed this offseason. Good riddance.
before everyone gets all “OH NOOOOS, no blocking sled!?!@#!@#)M”
you don’t seem to be bemoaning the invention of Gore’s intertubes or the decline of pony express. whatever the new fangled device is, it is pretty clearly not working with Heavy Steve and the Fat Boys. however, don’t get too carried about the lack of a blocking sled. maybe shugarts et al turn whatever the replacement is into the new standard of college football.
its not like we have a coach who is uhhh, how do i put this keen the whole time and progress marches on thing. i am sure JT thought it through.
Massey’s has locations all over Columbus. The one I know of is Westerville north of Shrock Road. There are plenty of others, though. Shit is the food of the Gods. Best pizza I have ever had.
*keen on the whole time and progress marches on thing
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet……but you guys did here them compare Pryor to LeBron James, right?
flipbuckeye
“The sled, as any back-in-the-day player will recall, taught linemen to fire off the line while keeping their legs moving. Today’s blocking techniques are more in line with zone blocking, which basically is the concept of taking up space rather than physically engaging the defense.”
O-line has to vary their technique, even on pass plays. If pass play was called and somebody was lined heads up or close to it on me, I would fire out and to stop the individual’s momentum before taking a set back to anticipate the D-lineman’s next move. Same thing in the zone blocking scheme, if some is there in front of you, you establish position and then drive. I really hope they have not abandon the sled, if anything; it can be used as a group building exercise knowing that each individual has to fire off and drive the sled backwards as a group…. Regardless of scheme, once an OL is engaged in blocking someone, they still have to drive them off if the DL is affecting the point of attack of the play. fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamentals…..
In addition, the OL have to work on their footwork and hands. They are sloppy. Browning and Boone have been caught leaning and/or anticipating allowing rushers to get around them. Since zone blocking is our preferred scheme, they have to be lighter and quicker, 300 lbs +/- 5 lbs I would guess to be the preferred weight.
Overall scheme would help as well. As I mentioned in a previous post, the play calling has to be done so blockers can get good angles on the D-line and LB’s. Misdirection, counters, traps, screens, using the FB to replace interior lineman pulling as to disguise the direction of the play, etc.
Ah well, what do I know…
So we’re not the only ones noticing. Good. The lack of a blocking sled in practice completely makes sense, because the O-line has absolutely no aggression or footwork skill whatsoever. Whether you use the zone blocking scheme or not, you still have to hit someone. They don’t seem to be taught to do that, but it seems the mental aspect is more important to the coaching staff.
haha..and i still accidentally posted as boone..crap…but everytime my family goes up to ohio we bring back massy’s pizza and freeze it and buy as much as we can…pizza in VA sucks…Donatos is close to it but he is right..it is the food of the God’s
man, you guys are making me want some. I’ve never had it, but I’ll definitely have to try it out when i get back home. Just 38 more days! haha
Couldn’t agree more with FrustratedBuckeye concerning the lack of leadership and toughness on this team. It seems like this has been a problem for some time with Tressel’s teams. Everyone likes to praise Tressel for bringing in better character guys, but there is more to character than staying out of jail and showing up at bible rallies. Team infighting, completely folding in big games, etc show a lack of toughness and leadership that I believe should also be taken into account in any discussion of “character”. Tressel won in 2002 with players that Cooper recruited that oozed leadership and toughness: Krenzel, Doss, Jenkins, Peterson, etc. I obviously wouldn’t trade Tressel for Cooper (or anyone else for that matter), but there is something that that team had that has sorely been missing from the teams of the last two or three seasons.
you guys are tards, Biff’s was the shit. I lived in S Campus freshman year andthat was always the place to go at about 230 thursday-sunday night.
adriatico’s also good, but on the cheap, biff’s was great.
Also,
I can remember in my econ 200 recitation hearing John Kerr call Steve Rehring “Baby Hughey” all the time and say he beats the crap outta him all day in practice.
John Kerr didn’t playa whole lot, but still a cool guy in my book.
Even T.J. Downing thinks they suck, and he’s in jail!
To all those former players whining about blocking sleds-teams that use zone blocking do not use blocking sleds-period. The nfl teams that use zone blocking do not use sleds, and Bollman came from the nfl. These guys are hearking back to Woody’s old schemes of man on man blocking. The problem on the o-line is recruiting. The staff has not brought in enough numbers to insure competion and depth. They have relied on walk ons and converted tight ends and this is the result. As for Boekman vs. Pryor-no contest. Pryor is everthing Boekman is not and more.
Jack,
I heard the blocking sleds made 2 sacks and repeatedly pressured the QB.
Zing!
Jack,
If you do not think the pro’s use blocking sled’s, please visit Colts and Vikings NFL websites, that is two without trying to look. They use it as conditioning, training, and punishment.
I know this is a little old school, but when it comes to power football, I do not want five pussies on the front line.
“Typically used by offensive linemen to build leg muscle, cardiovascular strength and positioning technique, the sled is pushed by a single player the width of a football field to a waiting teammate. The teammate turns the sled around and pushes it back across the field to another waiting teammate, who, well, you get the idea.
Push downward on the sled and it won’t move. Push upward and it may tip over. Push it just right and you’re looking at 53 yards with your butt low, back straight and legs bent into the perfect lineman’s position.”
Catfish Biffs Italian Sub at about 2:30ish is almost as good as getting Adriaticos delived at about 4:00ish….they both bring back some mouth watering memories!
Oh ya, as far as the O-lne talk goes the word poop comes to mind
Recruiting thoughts? Some have been saying that recruiting thinner , faster guys in HS with big frames is a good idea. Guys too athletic for HS o-line but a tad slow fror top 10 D1 glory positions. The thought is get many D-Linemen, who are normally faster and meaner, get 6′7″ TEs in HS but not OL tackles unless they are exceptional. Some even say get 6′3″ HS fullbacks as your guards. We mostly recruit OL bodies in HS. They turn out to be turtles and these ones are not even snappers.
I like what we have coming up the next couple years on both sides of the lines. We have some big time d-line in Fellows and roid’ freak.
Hey the line isn’t great by any means but if you tell the defense what the play is everytime it won’t be very hard to stop. When we pass on first and second we open up the run. Cut these guys some slack. Play calling is more to blame.
Boeckman wasn’t benched because of just one game. He was benched because he failed to impress, not only during his entire career, but in all games following the Penn State game last season. He failed to find receivers during the Wisconsin game in 2007, gave the game away against Illinois, again peformed terribly against Michigan (a little rain never hurt anyone…’cept Boecks apparently), then came LSU, then they failed to convert red zone 3rd downs against YSU, failed to shoot downfield against Ohio, threw a pick-6 against USC, and by that point, it was clear that Boeckman can’t perform well under pressure.
No, if this O-line gives a QB like Boeckman time to throw, it’s a different season. Because they’re porous, and talentless, they need someone that gives them a chance to pick up a 3rd and 5 other than throwing the ball. Enter Pryor.
I’m willing to bet the Dustin Fox comment was taken out of context. But if he’s serious, then he’s not watching the same game the rest of us are.
Unless they continue to get better by the time they take the field in January (presuming we still go to a New Years bowl or better), it might not be pretty against better defensive fronts (Georgia, LSU, Texas).
I think our oline problems are a combination of several factors:
1) Numbers. Our oline recruiting has been poor in getting enough scholarship bodies on the team. The reason some of these guys still play is because there’s no one better to replace them. We have a guard shifting to tackle (Browning) and coaches lamenting Shugarts and Adams’ injuries. That’s sad. Shouldn’t have to rely on two (3 counting Brewster) true freshman to shore up your oline.
2) Bollman. There’s a reason other teams haven’t been beating down OSU’s door to talk to him. I, however, continue to think he’s been put on notice by JT - which is welcome.
3) I tend to think the blocking sled thing is a little weird and I’m not sure how much significance to give it. The sled is there - at least it was when I attended practices in 2002-2003/4. How much is it used? Not much which brings me back to points #2 above.
tampa buckeye;
I agree with you, it is a combination of the scheme/coaching and the technique. The guys we have are actually very good. When they are not getting blitzed to death, at times they just appear sloppy with technique (driving, hands, feet,) and at other times they appear to be either lost or unemotional. Almost as if this was a transitional year for some of the zone blocking schemes and they just do not buy into the system. The last two games, I actually rated them B- against PSU and a solid B against Northwestern. But sometimes those poor bastards do not have a chance. If we have a TE there is seven potential gaps, if they have nine in the box that is one for every gap with two playing clean up. Those are not good odds my friend.
After re-reading what I wrote, I have to agree that it was a little harsh. I should probably pull some punches once and a while.
You have to admit that the Kafka line was pretty funny, though.
In addition to what Keith C. said, there are only 3 O-line commits on board for the 2009 class, so that cupboard is still going to be bare. I really think it’s amazing they hit the jackpot with Shugarts, Brewster and Adams. Without those 3 guys, I think people would wonder if O-line recruits are shying away from OSU.
Chaos, I think your being pretty generous to the O-Line. Giving them a B for last weeks game…I’m not buyin’ it. They simply just are not good at all. I don’t know what the problem is - Talent or Coaching, but they are not a line that I would want to play behind. The 5 yards a carry that Beanie had against NW, was all him. The plays that Pryor made, was a freak of a man extending the play.
I’m going to say that our problems at O-Line are coaching issues, only because there are far less talented teams that have better O-Lines than we do. So either we can’t recruit those posistions (which that thought is shot down by the talent we picked up last year and this class for ‘09) or we can’t coach those posistions.
One of the many things I liked about Tress is the ability him and his staff had to make players better. Maybe I just failed to take my blinders off sometimes, but he consistently seemed to find was to turn O.K. players into good players, good Players into great players and great players into elite players. I don’t think this should all fall on JTs’ shoulds, but I’m just not seeing the improvement from year to year that you would expect out of this staff. If Tress doesn’t change things up in his staff, unfortunitly, its only a matter of time before that does fall on his shoulders.
Hey…I just posted a comment at the same time as Mike Lanese. I’m not worthy! (Now watch…that was probably a sock puppet.)
Tom, the number maybe small, but the talent we have for ‘09 is pretty solid when you think that we have Shugarts, Brewster and Adams.
Linsey - Already Commeted. Great pick up!
Mewhort (Sp?) Already Commeted. Another Great pick up!
Longo - Commeted, don’t know much about.
But we also should be able to pick up Marcus Hall (Best OL in the class) who is a Ginn Sr. kid that I would be shocked if we don’t land. Martinez out of Utah is visiting also (Would be an outstanding addition to an already stud packed class) is visiting for the scUM game.
Mike - We appreciate the humor but more importantly, we appreciate former players calling it like they see it. The fluff from some former players is barely tolerable. Maybe it comes easier if you didn’t play for the particular coach?
I also give Krenzel credit for his blunt assessments on 1460. Even though he played for Tress he brings the heat on occasion.
also… I’m not saying this as if I’m willing to forfeit good O-Line play, because of Pryor, but I would be more worried about our O-Line if we had a pocket passer the next 2-3 years. I think Pryor is, and if things don’t change will be, our best “Offensive lineman” we have…
“Tom, the number maybe small, but the talent we have for ‘09 is pretty solid when you think that we have Shugarts, Brewster and Adams.”
Yep, agreed. I did mention those guys. ;-)
“But we also should be able to pick up Marcus Hall (Best OL in the class) who is a Ginn Sr. kid that I would be shocked if we don’t land. Martinez out of Utah is visiting also (Would be an outstanding addition to an already stud packed class) is visiting for the scUM game.”
It would be sweet if we could land these recruits. Maybe Tress should get Jim Stillwagon to visit with them while they’re in Columbus.
some are saying they think Bollman is “on notice.” anything that could be shared that would give the Faithful hope that this indeed true would be most appreciated. any chance Bollman hits the door and takes Heacock with him?
some are saying they think Bollman is “on notice.” anything that could be shared that would give the Faithful hope that this indeed true would be most appreciated.
This is just my personal view and backed by nothing in the way of insider knowledge. I feel this way though based on these main points:
1) The sustained poor performance of the oline.
2) JT overtaking oline coaching duties for an entire week about a month ago.
3) Peterson’s comments this past week about shoddy technique.
None of these are votes of confidence and, if I’m Bollman, I’d be a little nervous if my boss started nosing into my area. I don’t necessarily think Bollman is a bad oline coach I just think it’s time for a change - new philosophy in no only coaching/technique but player/body type. In fact, I’d like to see him on staff next year, just in a different capacity on the staff (which is probably hard to do with NCAA limits on # of coaches, etc).
I once saw dustin fox playin pick-up basketball at JOS. White boy can jump.
J.B.
I will review the Northwestern game once more tonight and try to grade them on an individual basis. From what I can remember, Northwestern was doing a lot of blitzing and it always seemed to be the same direction of the play’s point of attack. That either screams simplicity or a change of direction is needed.
“Ugh….the old sled…..man I was a force linebacker and had to push that damn thing all over the field…..in HIGH SCHOOL!!! what are the coaches drilling them on, how to be kobeashi(sp?) in a hotdog eating contest?”
Actually, I think they’re drilling them on the Kobayashi Maru. ;-)
I’ve always been perplexed about how they don’t use the blocking sled anymore, but it’s pretty much been the norm in college football for the last 8 years or so. Zone blocking is what everyone’s doing.
If they had only asked, I could have given them something to help the line this year.
whatever you do, just dont spit in dustin foxs face during practice. he hates that. cough, lendale white, cough.
Morgan -
Wasn’t that Mr. JOP (Jump on Pile) Donnie Nickey that got into it with LenDale? Pretty sure it was….
I’m sorry but Mr. Fox is sadly mistaken if he thinks Todd was benched based on one bad game. I will give him the benefit of the doubt as he has been away from the program for 5 years now, but Todd was benched due to repeatedly bad performances against BCS conference teams with a better than .500 record.
Todd has started 8 games against teams from BCS conferences that also played better than .500 ball, (Purdue, MSU, PSU, Wis, Ill Mich and LSU last year and USC this year). here are his stats against those teams
Att - 189
Comp - 117
Comp % - 61.9%
Yards/game - 171
INTs - 13
Fumbles - 8
Fum Lost - 3
Tot TO’s - 16
TDs - 11
Sacks - 17
Rush Att - 51
Rush yds - 44
Rush Tds - 0
Total Off/game - 180
Total TDs Resp for - 11
Total TO resp for - 16
If you remove the 1 good performance from the bunch (PSU last year), the stats are terrible
Comp% - 60.1%
Yards/game - 159
Total TDs Resp for - 8
Total TO’s resp for - 15
Sacks - 16
Tot Off/game - 165
So the PSU game was the abnormal Todd game. Against decent opponents, Todd was a sub par QB witha terrible tendency to create TO’s. His record against these 8 teams was 5-3. He averaged 2 TO’s per game and barely 1 TD, he could be counted on to be sacked atleast twice and had no mobility to avoid the rush and make plays. Instead he would either get sacked, throw a pick or fumble under pressure. Not a very good formula for winning games.
By contrast Terrelle has started in 5 games against such teams (NW, PSU, Wis, MSU, Minn)
Comp % - 64.6%
Yards/game - 151
INTs - 2
Fumbles - 2
Fumbles lost - 1
Total TO’s - 3
Tds - 5
Sacks - 10
Rush yards - 228
Rush Tds - 4
Total Tds Resp for - 9
Total TO’s resp for - 3
Total Off.game - 196
So a higher Comp%, more total Off, fewer TO’s, more Tds and equal sacks. What reason would you have for putting Todd back in based on those stats?
And don’t forget. his record against them is 4-1.
The 29th ranked olineman just jumped ship from Tennessee. I wouldn’t be shocked if we are talking to him.
OK, first of all, Biff’s is only considered good by the south campus kids with their contact buzzes.
The best pizza on campus, hands down, is smokin joes crust out of Hounddog’s pizza, up by hudson and high.
Donato’s is better. I once vomited up Catshit Biffs all night long. Only marginally worse coming up than going down.
“south campus kids with their contact buzzes”
contact buzzes from the dirty hippy kids up on north campus that ate at hounddogs i guess.
which former Buckeyes spoke out? The 1980’s Earl Bruce group who lost three games every year mostly to inferior competition? Thre 1985 team that beat #1 Iowa, then lost at home 2 weeks later to a Wisconsin team that had 2 wins and was in last place in the Big Ten. Maybe it was the 1975 Bucks who where 11-0 going into the Rosebowl and lost to Ucla? Or the 1970 team that was 10-0 played in the Rose Bowl and lost to an inferior Stanford team? The 1974 team which was a scoring machine but lost to MSU, then lost to USC 18-17 to lose the national title. Was it Jim Lachey whose teams were the epitome of under performing…Chris Speilman whose team let Jamie Morris run wild while he made over 20 tackles 10 yards down field? You get the point. All these former Bucks have underperformed too.