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How do you rate Thad Matta?

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

I put top ten. There are just so many good coaches that it is hard to rank. In no particular order: Coach K, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Rick Pitino, Jim Boeheim, Roy Williams, etc. I would put him top two in the B1G.

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TMac's picture

351 Schools play Division I basketball - and we have a Top Ten Coach!  Along with a Top Two Football coach.  

I'm thinking Sparty might have the next best pair, with Izzo (arguably Top Two) and Dantonio (certainly Top 20). Who else?

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rosycheeks's picture

A buddy of mine, an Indiana fan, asked me over the weekend, "If you could have any coach in America..."

I wanted to say Matta, but I knew that wasn't really honest. I said my top 3 would be Izzo, Coach K (I can't stand him, but he would undoubtedly win), and...Brad Stevens. I also mentioned Sean Miller. I think I'd rather have the first three than Matta, but even with them, it's close. I'm often not crazy about his lineups or his offensive strategy, but still, we've got it good.

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mobboss1984's picture

Thad is not top 5, but I would put him in the 8 or 9 range. 

Coach K (sadly), Bill Self, Coach Cal, Coach Beheim(I dont think I spelled it correctly), Coach Izzo, Coach Donovan, Coach Roy Williams, Coach Petino, Then I would say Thad Matta. 

I love the buckeyes, but I have to give a truthful answer (IMO).

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mobboss1984's picture

I'd probably reorder that, but It was a quick answer. However,Thad Matta position would still stay the same.

Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.
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mobboss1984's picture

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Always be yourself, express yourself, have faith in yourself, do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it.
Bruce Lee
 

okiebuck's picture

I have a question; this is the first time in SIX years the Buckeyes did not make the B1G Championship game; so are y'all implying that Thad suddenly is not a good coach or is this just a poll to pass the down time?  Personally I think he's the best coach in the country without an NCAA title but I also remember it took some of the coaches mentioned above a hell of a long time before they got their ring.  

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

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TMac's picture

? As of 10 a.m. 93% have put Thad in the Top Ten of all CBB coaches -(With or without an NCAA Title) so I don't believe there is any indication that anyone thinksThad is not a good coach........

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Oyster's picture

He's better than Fickell!

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HighBallAce's picture

I put him outside of the top 10 cause he doesn't use his bench as effectively as he could. He usually has a 7 to 8 man rotation and that's fine in conferance but when he gets in the tourney, he usually gets beat by someone with a deeper bench.

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GregB's picture

I give coach Matta  a top 3 ranking when I consider who's teams are consistently a top defensive team and fight for 40 minutes. He's not a top ten when you consider offensive production however.  His teams consistently have spells during halves where they forget how to score, its been an issue every year for them.  He's a top ten recruiter I think but his program, due to the high minutes his core guys get, seems to run off some potentially good players (Weatherspoon, Seibert) and affects our depth, so getting them is one thing, keeping them is another.

Would I take anyone else? Sure but the guys I would take aint comin' and I am very happy to have Matta. All in all Ill take a team that fights and plays great D year in and year out to a team like Michigan has this year. Michigan may get another final four but no real inside defensive or offensive presence is no way to play basketball year after year.

brandonbauer87's picture

I think his willingness to play more guys has changed the past few years. He's playing every scholarship guy this year except Kam Williams, who's redshirting. In the past I don't know that Della Valle would have seen the floor in conference play. 

hspbuy1's picture

I don't have a problem rating him a top 5,we had a down year this year & still won 25 games. He's done pretty well here. Can't hardly wait to see next years team! Thad's a winner!

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

1. Coach K

2. Rick Pitino

3. Tom Izzo

4. Bo Ryan (I really hate saying that, but the man can coach)

5. Sean Miller

6. Thad Matta (built up Butler and Xavier, let's not forget that)

7. Jim Boeheim (only 4 Final Fours and 1 NC in 37 years, largely due to Melo)

8. Bill Self (impressive in a short time, but he does get a lot of talent)

9. Billy Donovan

10. Mick Cronin (is there anyone that has done more with less? The program was in shambles when he took over, the facilities were/are terrible, and there's always uncertainty about what conference they'll be in going forward)

Honorable mention: Brad Stevens. He'd be #2 on that list if he were still in college hoops (and it's only a matter of time before he comes back)

Give him a couple years and he could get on the list: Tim Miles.

Would have been on the list last year but saw his stock drop furiously this year: Tom Crean

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scrotieMcboogerballs's picture

No Roy Williams in your top 11, but a few guys with no titles? I hate both NC and Kansas, but Williams is probably a top 5 guy

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Buckeye in Illini country's picture

How do you have Bo Ryan in the top 5?  Wisconsin has only gotten to the Elite 8 once in his entire time there, and that was nine years ago.  I would put everyone in your top 10 (not Mick Cronin) and Roy Williams ahead of him.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

Tom Crean? He has a .600 winning percentage overall, and a .508 at Indiana. Thad has .784 at OSU and .779 overall. Not saying that you had Crean higher, but I would be surprised if you have Crean in 7 - 10 with those stats.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Outside the top ten. No title, lost in the Sweet 16 with what everyone knew was the best team in the country -- and to make matters worse, that year's UConn team was almost certainly the weakest national champion in history.

Matta had tremendous good fortune in arriving here just as the Indiana program was in full collapse (Oden, Conley, and Thomas came across the border, something that had basically never happened before); and as Columbus produced its best college prospect in recent memory, who also happened to be a Buckeye legacy (Sully). But he's had to work a little harder for recruits the last few years, and the results have been mixed, to say the least. 

He's where guys like Boeheim, Olson, and Roy Williams (Kansas version) were when their teams were known for inexplicable March flameouts and not for championships. When Matta wins a championship, I can adjust this rating accordingly.

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chicagobuckeye's picture

Inexplicable March flameouts? I agree that the loss in the sweet-16 but having 2 sweet sixteens, one elite eight, and one final four in the last 4 years, obviously not this year, wouldn't be considered by most a flameout.

scrotieMcboogerballs's picture

Top 10 until he wins a championship...Then top 5...

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ibuck's picture

Matta's X & O coaching is first rate, and I like his defense first orientation. His recruiting seems to have suffered a little bit lately, and I suspect that has more to do with assistant coaches moving on/up. His overall numbers are fantastic, and I admire that he coaxed 25 wins out of a team that looked pretty dire in January. This squad seems to lack a bit in leadership. If there were a Scoonie Penn type player on this team, they would be a strong Final Four / NC contender. 

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nburns18's picture

1. Coach K

2. Izzo

3. Thad

The reason i have him above guys like Roy williams and pitino, etc is because he hasnt had the talent like these other schools have. Although hes had great players, i feel like hes done more with less. 

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jbcuky's picture

Isn't it partly on the coach to get the players?

bethmowins's picture

I would say 8-12 range. Great recruiter but just can't seem to get to the top. I question some player development as well.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

In Thad we trust.  Has a heck of a resume, we sometimes forget the wilderness we were in before he became our head coach.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Thad brings home the big one and he's top 3.   Right now, 5-10 range.   We're damn lucky to have him and I hope he's here a long, long time but he just needs to get over that last hump to be in the top 3 tier.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

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teddyballgame's picture

Top 5 is a stretch.  He's somewhere in the top 10.

texbuck's picture

I noticed that everyone who listed other coaches ahead of Matta didn't mention Beilein.  I hate to say it, but I'd have to put him ahead of Matta at the moment.  He just seems so adept at making the most of the the roster that he has.  I'd say he's tops in the Big Ten, with Izzo and Matta tied for second.  I'd put all three of them in the top ten nationally, which says a lot about the strength of Big Ten basketball.

okiebuck's picture

Sorry Tex but Thad has OWNED Beilein since he's been here; one year does not erase the past.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

GregB's picture

I think Beilein is a good coach too just not sure Id put him ahead of Matta. I like the way his teams play offense and I like the way he will use multiple defenses during a game too but he seems to live and die by the three a little too much.  I like the fact that Thads calling card is making stops.

BuckWylde's picture

Top 20 . . . sure; any rating north of 20 tells me that you're a probably a Kool-Aid guzzlin', press release believin', OSU Buckeroo-tried and true- through and thru! . . . and that's fine if you like being a perpetual bridesmaid at the national level.

Matta is a good coach, but not a great one. Great coaches I've seen from Rupp and Wooden to Pitino and coach K,  excel in all of the fundamental areas of their job description; which includes recruiting and then developing talent,  teaching high level basketball concepts  which include both offense and defense.

Thad teaches defense . . . period, and while the 1 & dones he's had cloud the issue somewhat, Williams & McDonald remain grossly underdeveloped after 3 full seasons (even defensively!). The 2 seniors as well as Thompson, Scott, and the bigs are horribly inconsistent at the foul line.  Matta's string of 20 win seasons is quite impressive to the casual fans who don't care that the schedules are usually front-loaded with a dozen or so pastries, which means that we only have to win 8 or 9 league games to reach the magic number.

IMO Thad Matta is a good basketball coach who has taken the program about as far as he can with numerous B1G titles to his credit, but a top 5 to 10 ranking among  all CBB coaches is a bit of a reach.  

BuckWylde

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rider1's picture

Not a fan but Roy Wiliams deserves some consideration. His winning % and tournament record matches up with anyone mentioned.

ScarletGray43157's picture

I put top 10.  Thad does some things that are really above average.  His teams usually get better as the season goes on, and before this year I would have said that they always get better as the season goes on.  

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