PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Yes. Especially when they started off #2.
By screwing over Wisconsin, the Pac 12 may have screwed up Ohio State's chances to play for a national championship.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
By screwing over Wisconsin, the Pac 12 may have screwed up Ohio State's chances to play for a national championship.
I stink about this one a lot...I wonder if people realize how big that Wisconsin "loss" actually was?
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Just put on some deodorant after you shower, and you should feel better.
Dammit - I'm at once wishing you wouldn't have replied to that comment so I could edit it, & also, laughing my ass off. +1 to you..What can I say, I stink about a lot of things -- I'm a deep stinker.
I thought it was intentional. lol
...yeah...yeah - it was intentional. That's the ticket.
That's worth a good laugh
I won't be disappointed but I will be torqued off.
Disappointed isn't the right word, because the Rose Bowl is awesome...But I'd be pissed OSU didn't have their shot at winning it all.
Totally agree. Yes, the Rose Bowl is great but I feel like it'd leave me with a 'what could have been' feeling, rather than disappointment, which is something I never thought I'd say about the Rose Bowl.
I think a trip to the Rose and a solid victory would go a long way to restoring "credibility" to the program, should we be left out of the NC game. I personally don't think we need to prove anything, but this is the idiotic sports world we live in.
I'm following that same thought process. I want to see this team get their shot, but if it's "only" the Rose Bowl, so be it. I'm very grateful as a fan, that the football program has achieved perfection 20 times in a row.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
I think a trip to the Rose and a solid victory would go a long way to restoring "credibility" to the program
If it didn't help after the victory against Oregon, why would it now?
It helped after the victory to Oregon, especially followed up by the victory at Arkansas. We were well on our way back to respectability before tat-gate let everyone dismiss our success as cheating.
especially followed up by the victory at Arkansas
Tatgate started before the Arkansas game.
I don't think that game helped either. Despite Ohio State winning it became about what Arkansas didn't do, and how they weren't a "real" SEC team anyway.
Both Oregon, and Arkansas were considered really good teams until Ohio State beat them.
Speaking Oregon, they have a rose bowl loss to us, a NC game loss to AUB, and a regular season loss to LSU, but are still the media darlings. And if you bring those losses up to "experts" their comeback is that this ore team is a different team than those teams so u can't hold that against ore. But those same experts hold two NC losses against OSU even though since then the have a Rose and Sugar bowl win.
Nobody with a brain is holding those NC losses against Tosu and yes I have to hear about those losses everyday while somehow wins over Kansas State and Wisconsin don't matter. It is what it is.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there without brains.
Scotch: It may be too early to drink it, yes; but people it is never to early to think about it.
Yes. The Rose Bowl is great and all....but I want to see Urban hoisting the crystal come Jan 6th.
Disappointed, yes. Despondent, no. If they keep playing and winning, the media, et.al.,can't ignore their accomplishments forever
I wish I could agree with you...but we're coming up on 2 full seasons here with them pretty content ignoring every accomplishment, and as others have said even dismissing past accomplishments...so, they can't win or lose without a negative impact of some kind.
If we are one of two or fewer undefeated teams, I'm more than disappointed. I'm pissed at the failure of the BCS to allow a team to win it on the field. IF we are one of three or four, not as much. Absolutely I'd think we should have the opportunity, but in that scenario somebody is getting left out, and that writing is already on the wall.
Go Cardinal, Go Gators, Go Tigers, GO BUCKS!!!
I think the answer to this question partly depends on whether you truly think Ohio States is a top 2 team and deserve at least a shot at the NC.
For me, the answer is YES. I saw the defense come together last year towards the end of the season to be one of the best in the country and I believe they are now doing the same thing this year. With this defense playing well, with this offense, you'd have to believe they can play with ANY team in the country and ANYTHING less than the NC game would be a disappointment.
That said. . . IF they don't make it they HAVE to win. Its truly sad to realize the general media stance on OSU. IF they were to win the Rose Bowl, they were supposed to win because they were undefeated. IF they lose the Rose Bowl its because they were overrated. IF they lose the NC game its because they didn't deserve to be there.
It seems the only real way to get respect at this point may be to WIN the NC game.
I would think that most Tosu fans would be disappointed, I know I would be. Although for me seeing them playing play Stanford would be cool to see, great matchup.
How could you not be disappointed. It wouldn't be the end of the world. I know one thing, I bet Urban states his case very vocally for the Buckeyes to be in the MNCG. He did so with the Gators in 2006.
Two blondes were driving to Disneyland. The sign said: Disneyland Left... So they started crying and headed home.
No. We have known this was a possibility for months.
Knowing it is/was possible precludes disappointment?
I've pretty much expected not to go, so, yes.
I put no, but really it depends on who they play. If they're in the Rose playing undefeated oregon or florida state or a one loss SEC champ, then I'd be ok with that. If we're stuck playing a 2 loss stanford team, I will flip my ish as Alan Cox would say.
Yep because if we beat Stanford the media would shrug it off as beating a 3 loss second best PAC 12 team, and if we lose it will be that we finally played a decent team and loss
May sound like blasphemy to some folks, yet an undefeated Oregon & FSU could very well play in NCC, an we get a one loss 'Bama.
Hear me out: Oregon SMOKES Stanford, rolls thru their ,(pretty brutal), schedule PAC 12 & Championship game. FSU SMOKES The U, likewise thru the rest & ACC Championship game. Both teams win out, say, by 17-24 pts. per game.
'Bama loses to The Mad Hatter, squeaks, by Auburn, wins (BS)SEC, championship. (Because, correct me if I'm wrong, yet I remember A&M-Mizzou as mid, to lower Big 12 teams 2+ yrs. ago that were going to the (BS)SEC and supposed to be getting smashed until they could, "catch up" , to the rest of the (BS)SEC.)
1 loss 'Bama, (And you guys should really look up the slang term for what ,"A 'bama ", is!!), in the NCG ? Or the 2 undefeated teams w/ the top 2 Heisman candidates?
That is my wish list, and I would be more than overjoyed for a Rose Bowl berth!!!
Good scenario, but I'm pretty sure the SEC champion would almost automatically go to the Sugar Bowl if they aren't in the MNC game.
That would be probably the best "no MNC game" scenario, though, for OSU. Remain undefeated, and face what many would still consider the best team/program in the country while doing it in Pasadena...
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
25-0 and no opportunity to play for the NC, because of public/journalistic opinion.
Not for anything Ohio State has/can/will do on the field.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
Agreed. Fellow fans have quickly forgotten that OSU started ranked #2 and would still be there if not for blatant media bias.
Ummm im sorry I have to disagree. The reason we arent still #2 is because of strength of schedule is horrible.....
Agree. I'd be disappointed the pollsters and data programmers were using perception as reality.
I never make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.
- Edward Gibbon
Agreed, give us a shot and see what happens. Just like in 2002, when no one gave OSU a chance, and look what happened.
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Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.
Miami fans: "Don't care. It still wasn't pass interference".
I guess for me it depends on how they end up playing in the Rose Bowl. Did the Buckeyes lose a game to an opponent that had no business beating them (Purdue, Illinois, etc) or did they run the table and still get left out in the cold?
Even if the Bucks did end up losing a game they shouldn't to end up in the Rose Bowl, I'm not sure if disappointed would be the right word. A Rose Bowl, hopefully with the 'W', to cap off a great season and B10 championship is nothing to sneeze at.
If OSU finished undefeated
If OSU finished undefeated
That is the first part of the question.
I think we can all agree that if OSU loses one of their final 5 games (including the B1G championship game) no one would be disappointed with the Rose Bowl and a B1G Championship ring if OSU is a 1 loss team and there are 2 undefeated teams in the National Title game..
The one scenario that would really Piss me off would be if OSU goes undefeated and a 1 loss Bama team goes instead to play undefeated Oregon or FSU...then Shit would hit the fan!
The year the BCS blocks undefeated OSU from the title would ironically be the year the Big Ten finally tallies a convincing winning record in bowls.
I'll be disappointed because I refuse to lower my expectations.
I voted no only because if more than 2 teams are undefeated the media bias won't let OSU have a shot.
I'd be disappointed but I'd understand.
I'd be disappointed, sure. But I wouldn't be as disappointed as I would be if the unthinkable and improbable happened on Nov 30th!
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The day an Ohio State team is 25-0, has not lost in 2 years, and does not get to play for a national championship.
Well, that is the day I quit caring about college football, might as well go watch WWE if the outcome is scripted 2 years in advance and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick
I am shocked at the percentage of people who voted NO. I think you are all just lying to yourselves.
I keep re-typing this comment because I really don't know what to say. At this point, who gives a $hit what the media thinks about OSU. They'll never get any respect. I don't need the talking heads at ESPN to talk positively about OSU. Oh you beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl after everyone said you had no chance? Oh you beat Arkansas and their incredible speed? Whatever, you still suck. That's basically how its going to always be; so while I appreciate the argument that winning the Rose Bowl would bring some respect to OSU and the Big Ten, would it? Oh, you beat Stanford in the Rose Bowl? Well they were probably overrated anyways. It's never going to end and all we can do is accept the role of the villian and embrace it. At the start of every season, no matter what, we have dreams of the national title. None of us dream of ALMOST being the best team.
A 14-0 season with a Rose Bowl victory would be a season that other programs would kill for. But this isn't other programs; this is Ohio State, and they have one of the best coaches and some of the best players in the country. I think I'd rather see OSU go to the title game and lose in a close game then win the Rose Bowl; because who cares what the haters will say? No win will ever shut them up, not even a national title. Screw them all, GO BUCKS.
I voted no because, uh...have you seen Florida State? Alabama? Oregon? I honestly don't think this Buckeye team can run with any of those monsters this year.
I love the Buckeyes through and through, and Urban Meyer is a magnificent coach- but the drubbing in the desert in January 2007 keeps playing back through my mind. There was NO WAY that team could lose. That was one of the more confusing, frustrating, infuriating nights I've been though as a fan.
Could Urban do it again? Could he take a team that everyone believed was just National Title Game fodder for the eventual champs and shock the world? Man, I just don't see it. Not this year.
That being said, I wouldn't be upset at a national title game appearance. I also wouldn't be upset at a Rose Bowl showdown with Stanford or UCLA or whoever.
First thing's first, though- beat Purdue.
I am lying to myself am I?
Here's the thing, disappointment implies surprise. "Mike said he was going to come over and then no showed, I am disappointed". How could you possibly be surprised if Ohio State gets excluded from the MNCG???????? How????? If the question is, will I be upset then YES, I will be upset. But how can I possibly be disappointed by something I know damn well is going to happen?!
I'm sorry for not being sorry.
To be a fan of a team that would be on a 25 game win streak, and not have a chance to watch said team play for it all would most definitely suck. Now, if this scenario actually plays out, and the Buckeyes go undefeated and win the Rose Bowl -- yeah, I'd be a little pissed at first, but when I took time to actually look back and reflect, I don't see how any fan could be upset at what Urban and Co. has accomplished in two years.
With all that said, Go Canes, Go Cardinal and Go Tigers. Oh yeah, Go Bucks!
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from O-HI-O!
I said yes only because OSU will have went 25-0 to be rewarded with the Rose Bowl and not the NC. That's all that would bother me, oh and how overrated the 1 and 2 ranked teams are to make it so OSU doesn't play in the NC game. I hate to say this but the media and B1G performances aren't helping. We need at least four teams to finish in the top 25...which is going to be tough to accomplish with all of them being ranked so low (most in the 21-25 range, which isn't good bc one lose and they're out). Got to hope for upsets but then, what about the dreaded one lose scenario....???? For instance Stanford or Bama...seems a bit unfair and I love the guy from CBS who wrote about how the Bucks are getting no respect...I agree.
Absolutely would be disappointed. It would leave me with an empty feeling in my stomach for the second year in a row...
Loving all things Buckeye from SEC country in Alabama.
"How firm thy friendship....O-HI-O"
I won't be disappointed in going to the Rose Bowl, just disappointed in how this potentially 25-0 team was treated by the pollsters and media.
The Rose Bowl is a great game and tradition and should not be considered a consolation prize. However, if we're undefeated at the end of the B1G Championship game we'll be 25-0, have the longest streak in school history and not have a chance to play for the national championship. Seems like a bit of a letdown, especially when we've done nothing but win.
One point I'd like to make and everyone can shoot it down if they want. Alabama has played two ranked teams this season; only one is ranked now. They struggled to beat A&M. They've looked good against bad teams, but largely their reputation/wins from last season is what drives their higher ranking over Oregon, Florida State and us. Why do we not get the same benefit for being undefeated still? If we were to rank this season properly we'd still be fourth, but Alabama would be 3rd behind Florida State and Oregon. Maybe I'm reaching a bit, but it seems like a double standard a bit.
If we're undefeated and don't go to the national championship game because of the polls it would be disheartening but I wouldn't call the season a disappointment since there were factors outside our control
If for some reason we lose a game and end up at the Rose Bowl (especially if 2/3 teams ahead of us pick up a loss) then I think you can call it a disappointment since we had more control over things
If you're undefeated and from a major conference, anything other than a shot at the title is a disappointment.
One thing is for sure. If the Buckeyes take the field in Pasadena on Jan 1, we will definitely see what Urban Meyer calls an Angry Football Team. Probably not angry in the "not happy to be here" sense. But angry in the "we have been disrespected from the start and now we are going to tear the arms off of our opponent" sense.
I would be immensely disappointed with a lot of things...just not with playing in the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl is f'ing awesome, and there are many reasons why it has endured the test of time. Playing in the Rose Bowl is not getting "screwed over." Getting screwed over would be losing out on the national title berth to play in the Capitol One bowl...or the Outback bowl...or the Cotton Bowl. Frankly, playing in any other bowl besides the Rose Bowl sucks in general. The other bowls just don't have the character.
I can understand the general disappointment people will feel. But playing in the Rose Bowl, with the parade and the fanfare, is a bigger deal for the spectators shelling out upwards of $2000 a piece than playing in the national title, even if the national title is being played in the Rose Bowl.
Yes because it's hard enough to go unbeaten, but two years in a row without a title shot would be very hard to take. That's officially a sign that B1G football is pathetic. I would feel like Boise State. I don't think we get passed for a 1 loss team. I just wish the playoff was here now. The current top 4 would be fun to watch.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Disappointed .... yeah of course who wouldn't be with a 25 game win streak and an offense that is starting to look like it was supposed to all season.
But the Granddaddy of Them All isn't a bad consolation.
I think it would be a major disappointment if OSU gets jumped by a 1 loss team that gets in the championship game.
I think disappointment is too strong a word. We're going to be 25-0 going into the bowl season. We will be going to Pasadena either for the Rose Bowl or the Championship Game. Great accomplishment. Nothing to be disappointed about.
What will be upsetting/maddening/frustrating is if we don't go to the Championship Game because a 1 loss team is deemed to be better than we are or more deserving than we are. I don't care how you look at it, a loss is a loss. And if there are undefeated teams out there, no team with a loss should be considered for the Championship Game. Get your work done, get the job done, Win 'em all! Then you can play for the Championship.
For us to go two full seasons without a loss (the first with no hope of a bowl game!) and then be told a one loss team is more deserving/better than we are, that's a pile crap large enough to fill TTUN's stadium (which wouldn't be a bad idea).
Disappointed - HELL NO! We have a great team and should be proud of their accomplishments!
Fed up with the media and the haters - OH YEA! You bet I am!
Depends on how it plays out. If all 4 teams are undefeated and FSU plays Bama in the NC game, I would be OK playing Oregon in the Rose. Misery loves company. The winner of our game could claim they are the TRUE NC. Would be a fitting ending for the BCS.
One other thing, I would rather win in the Rose Bowl than lose in the NC game. tOSU would never live that down.
Seeing as it's nearly impossible they'd play an SEC team in the Rose Bowl, I'd definitely be a little disappointed. Not with the team or coaches in any way, but just with the situation/college football. I'd really like OSU to either win the national title this year, beat an SEC team, or both.
In all honesty, I don't see an undefeated OSU team beating a Stanford/Oregon/ND in the Rose Bowl meaning a whole lot to the national audience. OSU pounding an SEC team, winning the national title, or both, I think would shut up a LOT of people for the rest of Urban's run at OSU.
I'd say no, because I still care more about the Rose Bowl and the tradition with it than the bullshit made up circus that is the BCS system.
If last year played out the way it did, albeit with OSU being eligible for a bowl game, I would have been more understanding of OSU being left out. They would have really beaten almost no one of national substance, scraped by against some really pedestrian teams, and I would not have been confident they could hang with Alabama.
This year is a different story. One undefeated season against a mediocre schedule is hard to do, but still possible for a good team. Two in a row, even, again, against a schedule without any real national powers, is pretty special. Everyone wanted to give Boise a shot because they had gone 24-1 the past two seasons, or they'd "shown up" in an early season game against a BCS-conference opponent, and had gone undefeated, so they deserved a shot. Now, Ohio State could possibly do it two years in a row, beating still some very good teams, and it's not good enough? Blasphemy.
Two straight years of undefeated play is ridiculously hard to do in any conference, let alone the B1G, and also let alone doing it against all the OOC opponents as well. I saw this coming before the season, and hoped the B1G could step up in the OOC games. Unfortunately, they didn't help themselves enough, and the narrative has already been written in pen this year.
We would not have played Alabama. We would have played ND. IMO we would have beat them
Disappointed with he team? no. Disappointed with the situation? yes. Totally wrecked over it? Not exactly.
Here's a question, which would you rather have:
An undefeated OSU team lose to Alabama in the NC game
An undefeated OSU team win the the rose bowl vs. Stanford
Not saying either of those necessarily play out, but if I had to choose between those two I'd probably take the 26-0 record into next year. The streak doesn't mean a ton without titles in it, but it's still kind of fun.
Hell yeah I would be disappointed! Not in the team though. If they go undefeated, they will have no control over rankings and all that bullshit.
TTUN fans would rather talk tOSU failures in the past ten years than their own successes. Probably because they haven't had a lot of success.
My answer is kinda yes and no, though I voted no.
Yes, I'd be disappointed not being in the championship game.
No, I wouldn't be disappointed playing in the Rose Bowl. It's an awesome game and a huge honor in its own right.
I would be disappointed on some level. How I'd feel overall about it would depend on the circumstances.
If it's undefeated Alabama/Oregon/FSU playing each other, I would realize that they played an overall tougher schedule than us, and would sort of understand why OSU didn't get there. If a one-loss team with a so-called tougher schedule were to somehow jump OSU (which I can't fathom but people keep bringing it up), I would be furious.
Regardless, I'd still be aggravated at the joy that I'm sure many OSU-hating fans would feel about OSU being snubbed (many of the same fans that always say "wait until OSU plays a real team" - I would think you'd rather see OSU go to the title game if you're so sure that they'd get embarrassed, rather than win the Rose Bowl and keep the undefeated streak and mystique alive). And I'd find it wrong that a team with 25 straight wins could be snubbed from the title game, even though only the 13 wins this season would be considered in the BCS standings. There is a human element to these standings, after all, that could consider the 25 game streak regardless if they're supposed to or not.
The Rose Bowl is still a great bowl game to be in. Damnit, it shouldn't be a consolation prize, but that's what the BCS has conditioned all of us to believe. Winning there over a quality opponent would only help the perception of OSU for the future. But do we really want to bank on going undefeated 3 years in a row to finally get a title shot? The playoff may allow room for a loss, though there would be a chance that OSU could get snubbed then, too. Undefeated they won't. Point is, though, that going undefeated once is tough and twice is incredible. I guess there'd be no denying it even from the hateriest or haters if it happened thrice.
Class of 2010.
The more I think about it, the tougher I think it is for us to "get in."
Was just talking with a co-worker...say Bama loses a tough game to GA or someone in the SEC...do they necessarily drop below OSU? It's certainly happened before that Bama loses and only drops a spot or two. And of course, Miami could leap frog us if they beat FSU (though I'm less worried about that because I think Miami will NOT go undefeated regardless). If FSU barely loses one game, do they necessarily drop below us?
Because of all this, and because our OL is getting overhauled next year, I kinda wonder if we'll always have this chance at the NCG. Although, we will have the playoffs to help us a bit starting next year.
In the end, I vote for slight disappointment if we don't get in, but a Rose Bowl trip is always nice. I just don't want us to wonder what could have been if we win out and don't get in.
It would have to be disappointing for one reason: even if we lost a game or two we could still go to the rose bowl. Perfect teams should have a chance for the big one.
"I'm in favor of it" - John McKay, on the execution of his team.
I voted no. And here's why...
Say we are one of 3 undefeated teams. And oregon has 1 loss. We meet them in the rose bowl. And we beat them. At that point we are riding a 26 game winning streak and have slayed one of the so called giants of the college football landscape. Riding that momentum would force the talking heads to step back and take a look at just why they have punished our team and labelled them overrated. Couple that with opening up next year with a virginia tech team that will no doubt be ranked, and perception might start to turn around. Not to mention that a slight of that magnitude might force a couple of guys to reconsider their options and feel there is unfinished business. And feel some form of responsibility ro right the wrong and protect their unbeaten streak. And to come back and claim what they were wrongly excluded from being able to claim by the voices and words of so many clueless jagoffs in the media.
This is all hypothetical, but some guys are motivated by being slighted. And some are motivated by achievements that some might declare to be unfathomable. I know I'm hoping for the best in an unfair situation, but why not?
I don't care how OSU is perceived if they beat Oregon and go 26-0. I'll be so pissed OSU didn't win a NC because of how college football today is and how pathetic the Big Ten has been.
We aren't a Boise State beating a BCS school in a BCS bowl means little to Ohio State if they are undefeated and not playing for the title.
You guys missed the point of what I was saying. The perception is Ohio State is overrated. Like it or not, that's the viewpoint. And if 3 teams finish undefeated, we are the least deserving according to the people who vote. Beating a team that these pundits drool over would go a long way to resetting the hivemind against ohio state. I'm looking at the bigger picture. I would be pissed off no doubt. Especially if the NC game was one sided and we blew out oregon. I'm trying to find something good out of a bad situation.
I don't get how you could say no to this question. OSU started out #2 in the country. They would have gone 25-0 and in this day of age winning that many games in a row at OHIO STATE, how could they not win a NC or at least go to one?
I'll be furious if this happens, although there's a chance that it may.
FSU/Bama/Oregon - 2 of 3 need to lose.
This is not 1990 anymore. The goal is not to be playing on New Year's Day in Pasadena. The goal for every team is to win a national championship. To win the national championship, you have to go to the BCS Championship Game, not the Rose Bowl.
I voted yes. But if OSU is left out even while undefeated, I hope it is because FSU won by enough style points to jump Oregon, and OSU and Oregon are still undefeated. Then OSU crushes Oregon by enough in the Rose to have some controversy with whomever wins a nailbiter Bama/FSU game.
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